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same here. this is my first look at Neowin testing out Firefox on 7068...

Dangit! Me too. I've never installed so many iterations of the same OS in my life!

only screenshots have been shown. the build itself has not been leaked

Why format? Just upgrade, smooth, fast, and headache free.

And you surely can keep up with it!

What? You actually mean upgrade from an previous build.......??

Yeah dude I've been doing it since 7000 and it works flawlessly and I'm the kinda guy to just format so I don't run into problems. None yet so there is no reason to do it any other way. Extract the iso contents to a folder and run the setup.exe the rest is simple.

Maybe you haven't any trouble "yet", but it's been proven time and time again that upgrading rather then running a clean install causes issues eventually. You can do whatever you want, but upgrading from build to build is just silly. It's just asking for trouble. It barely works properly with RTM's let alone beta builds.

I just updated from 7000 and everything is just peachy. Yeah you can do a fresh install and waste hours, but who the hell cares since this is just another test build. I see no point in breaking your balls to back everything up and start from scratch every 2 days the leaks have been coming out.

But as you said, you do what you want.

You all remember that you are installing an unauthorized release of an update to a beta product? In my world this adds up to that it even should break. If not, just smile and be happy!

I agree with you but if you think about it what is the worst that can happen. I might need to install a fresh copy but it's worth it since I have saved so much time updating to each leaked build. In this case the upgrade from 7057 to 7068 got rid of a bug that put a black bar under each of my widgets and I would never go through a fresh install for such little improvement.I think windows 7 is going to redefine some preconceptions with its upgrade feature its so clean and painless I can't believe its even made by the same people.

Spend a day re-installing your work environment "every other week"? Upgrading so far (since Build 7000) works pretty well and I recommend it for those who actually work with Windows 7. Although it's something best done over night or something like that, because it may take several hours on older machines.

Actually, this ONLY applied in the days of XP and earlier. Vista and W7 use an entirely different approach to an OS install/upgrade that eliminates those issues - by design. This was WELL documented in the Vista release and if you are curious, just read up on the way Vista installs differently than XP did. It's the same reason it is faster, etc.

So please stop spreading old, outdated advice. Thanks.

Link? It's possible, seeing as the last update most of us tried would have been from XP to Vista... but I won't take your word for this. Though it seems like you're saying that would be true of XP->Vista upgrades as well.

From this article http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2089952,00.asp

"Windows Vista's Setup program—the multitude of code that installs the operating system—doesn't copy files and wriggle the new operating system atop the old one, resulting in a mishmash of both, as was more or less the case with prior Microsoft OSes. Vista's compartmentalized installation routine actually copies an image of Vista onto the hard drive and then plows through things like hardware detection and configuration."

The rest of the article focuses on performance between a clean install and an upgrade (re: there is NO difference) and some people would have naturally confused some of Vista RTM's initial bugs with possible upgrade issues, but they'd be wrong about that.

In short, starting with Vista and now continuing with Windows 7, Microsoft fixed the mishmash of code issue seen on 98->XP upgrades and before. This is also why Vista and W7 can do those complete rollbacks if the OS upgrade/install fails. The mechanism is robust on many levels.

You can Google this yourself and find many more examples. I hope this helps clear things up.

Last edited by excalpius on 31 Mar 2009 - 02:28

Yes to verify some things he said I just tried to upgrade a friend from 7057 to 7068. It installed all the way but when it booted up for the first time it said it failed to complete so it rolled back to 7057 which should calm any fears or drawbacks to upgrading.

i doubt 7070 will be leaked

So you think they are deciding to not release an RC1 after all huh?

Who says 7070 is the RC?

/Agrees.

Teh internetz

is for porn

You're in the Connect group? The H/W Lifecycle one? Or a different one.

"here are some screenshots I took"

I don't think he's implying anything. He probably snapped a few shots and posted them without his dad knowing.

I think his dad knows by now

They will find out, if they have someone browsing the internet for leaked pictures... I doubt anyone in MS is looking for leaked pictures of Windows 7...

This kids father will be repurposed in the organization as an industry outsider.

Thanks Kid : (

Don't be so sure. Besides, these are not exactly hard to find. They're posted on on the net's most popular IT news sites. Also companies have entire departments whos job it is to manage the press and PR.

If their Press and PR department is anything like ours, they subscribe to a service that provides them daily reports on all press activity relating to their company.

You have to work for Microsoft to get them legitimately, or be very close to Microsoft.

How are the leaked builds not legit builds...

They're not available to technical beta members or to the public as part of the CPP program, so if you have it it's not legit.

GreyWolf, dont be making sweeping statements like that It's entire possible that there are TAP program members with later builds out there. TechBeta and CPP are not the only two avenues for obtaining builds.

And indeed some people have been "Friends of Bill" since NT was first in beta, so there are plenty of people outside of MS HQ who legally (if confidentially) have access to the latest and greatest builds.

I disagree. MS can see the exact computer ID's, builds and time on those screenshots, and as far as I remember someone from MS stating earlier, 'leaks are not taken lightly'

A build number or screen shot isn't technically a leak.. it's ok... calm down.

You are right, it is almost starting to look like the we are talking Apple products

I wouldn't say you're paranoid. It wouldn't surprise me given it is the cheapest form of marketing money can buy. Leak a few builds, get the hype going, geeks spread good reviews about Windows 7 - its all free marketing and every bit helps.

I totally agree. That's what happened with build 7000.

At least for 7068, MS being behind the leak doesn't seem unlikely. How else could the x64 torrent have been going at a pretty much constant 500 kB/s a mere hour after being leaked? There must've been a pretty strong server behind it.

Man you definatly need to start leeching from good torrents more often. (Most of them are private I agree but when you leak something good you usually assure yourself it will be seeded properly in the beginning even on public sites) Have you ever heard of a seedbox or of countries with more than 1mbps upload rate ? (Or you can even do that @ the university with their 80mbps upload speed ^^ !)

But seriously, facepunch.
Why would you post it there >

Sure you did!

(snipped - GWSC)

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previous version took around 6-7 hour to full compile, but usually the don't do a full compile every time.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Mental images.

When I say dead link, I mean, the kid's gone and removed any trace of his post from the site. I smell trouble....perhaps his dad's in deep crap?

No kidding. lol

Gee, you think??

it's not out yet and nothing in sight either. just a couple internal images of the build. And the most recent one is already more than 2 days old

You never know. Just look at build 7000 that was released about a month after it was compiled. MS created updated builds between the date that was compiled and the release to the public.

Granted, I do hope we get a newer build when the public RC is released then the 7070 build, but you never know.

"Reputable" russian appz site?!!

Installing my network cards Vista driver manually solved my internet issues. Went from an unstable wireless 54mbit to the expected stable 108.

Already tried that and not work
=(((

Some of us may download the leaked builds to see how the development is going. I honestly do not think people who download leaked builds are hurting the development of Windows 7.

Most people like to be able to see what has changed so the newer the build number the better.

Its the 1st wallpaper of the Landscapes Theme

Found it.... nvm.... =)

Geez.

Are you serious? Maybe a reprimand, but firage, bannage and a restraint?

Wow that sucks...

Now you can see why we literally knew almost nothing about Windows 7 before PDC 2008, because of harsh punishment like this.

It sucks that this father's son was too much of a careless idiot to not blank out personally identifiable information. I cannot understand why, out of all the screenshots he chose to post, was one of the listing of networked computers and the workstation name. Plus the internal IP address of the machine. And he made absolutely no effort to blank these data out.

presumable when he started working at Microsoft, he signed a non-disclosure agreement, he unintentionally and indirectly broke it when he left his computer unsecured

you don't get a slap on the risk after breaking an agreement like that

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I don't know if I believe such an indirect ("heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody who was chatting with somebody...") account, but maybe this makes some sense.

I'm not sure MS would have been upset at a simple leak; there's little that's revealed here that would qualify as a critical trade secret. The trouble here is that the leaker is easily identified.

Sad to say, if I leave inside information in a place where my kid can distribute it to the world, I might deserve to be canned.

possible but I would need a more reliable source than "saw this on a W7 Forum"

but yes, entirely possible.

I doubt they mess about.

Wow, imagine how that kid feels about screwing his dad out of a job at Microsoft. Harrshhh.

Software development have pretty strict rules, I could see this happening.

awww ... thieving stories like this are sooooo touching. my waste disposing organs are getting leaky ...

Yeah I really doubt it's a real leak, MS is probably leaking it, it's not like the leak hurts them at all.

Oh good. Useless Neowin.

You are right.