Yep. You read correctly. Hot on the heels of CNBC's bold statement that Apple is beating the recession comes a range of new statements: apparently, Apple's Mac OS X comes with Photoshop, and PC users need to pay at least $600 to perform as well as a Mac. Read on.They video posted by CNBC, embedded below, starts off giving a brief history of Microsoft and Apple's ad campaigns, and Apple's market share, etc. The video spends the rest of the time detailing the "true costs" of owning a PC, versus owning a Mac. So, what do the mighty technology experts at CNBC's On The Money have to say about it? First of all, Jim Goldman says that a Mac's higher price includes things that you're not necessarily going to get in a "stripped-down PC". Here's a list of things that "you're also gonna want to buy":
Norton Anti-Virus: $50/year
Multimedia Software: $80-$104
Photoshop: $140
Video Editing: $100
Music Software: $100
Geek Squad Visit: $129
That's taken word for word from the video that we've included. Ridiculous, no? Those are the things you need to buy "for a PC to perform as well as a Mac", apparently. Here's another quote: "Photoshop, you get that with Apple, you don't get that with a PC." "If your PC breaks down; Macs tend not to, if your PC breaks down, you're gonna want to call the Geek Squad."
A $699 PC will cost about $1500 for it to perform as well as a Mac, says Goldman. Next up is a list of intangibles: a MacBook apparently weighs 1.2 lbs. lighter, as well as has a battery life that's four times longer, plus has a "faster chip" and high resolution screen. "On an Apple, better than 8 hours [battery life]."
Remember what CNBC says: "Once you go Mac, you never go back." At least Goldman admits that he's a Mac guy. We'll leave you commenters to the video, so have at it!
An Apple whore?
Oh well. Better laugh at it than being frustrated, I'll stop
I look forward to Windows 7 so I will be able to play .mov files without the piece of crap Quicktime. By the way I own a unibody MBP and I wish I could uninstall the crapware iLife and Quicktime and not to mention POS iTunes but I can't because it would render my Mac useless.
I look forward to Windows 7 so I will be able to play .mov files without the piece of crap Quicktime. By the way I own a unibody MBP and I wish I could uninstall the crapware iLife and Quicktime and not to mention POS iTunes but I can't because it would render my Mac useless.
Dude I've actually met Leo and his former co-host Amber when they were doing Call for Help in Toronto and talked tech with Leo at length. (It was the end of the night's festivities and there were only a few of us left)
Leo is ANYTHING but ignorant. It's rare indeed I can find anyone who's been at the computer game since 1981 like myself and who's shared a lot of those early experiences. Leo knows his stuff inside and out.
I look forward to Windows 7 so I will be able to play .mov files without the piece of crap Quicktime. By the way I own a unibody MBP and I wish I could uninstall the crapware iLife and Quicktime and not to mention POS iTunes but I can't because it would render my Mac useless.
Dude I've actually met Leo and his former co-host Amber when they were doing Call for Help in Toronto and talked tech with Leo at length. (It was the end of the night's festivities and there were only a few of us left)
Leo is ANYTHING but ignorant. It's rare indeed I can find anyone who's been at the computer game since 1981 like myself and who's shared a lot of those early experiences. Leo knows his stuff inside and out.
... I just don't know what to say, you left me flabbergasted
Leo is ANYTHING but ignorant. It's rare indeed I can find anyone who's been at the computer game since 1981 like myself and who's shared a lot of those early experiences. Leo knows his stuff inside and out.
I've personally never been able to sit through a single episode of his show without being forced to change it because he says something so absolutely wrong that any further viewing would result in remote control tossing.
Maybe it comes down to bad first impressions. The first time I watched his show he was answering some guys question about why webcams have poor resolution/framerate. He told the guy one of the reasons was the bandwidth limitations of USB 2.
Update: No wonder the figures Goldman tosses out look so familiar. Reader Rob points out they're pulled straight out of this piece by Arik Hesseldahl in BusinessWeek. Did I just miss the credit to BusinessWeek or Hesseldahl?
Until then, grab a copy of VLC Player to play quicktime files!
and "Photoshop, you get that with Apple, you don't get that with a PC." comon..... someone educate this guy PLEASE... either direction its going to cost you $500+ depending on what "Photoshop" you buy
and what does photoshop, av software and music software have to do with "performance"? thats usability
Last edited by neufuse on 20 Apr 2009 - 23:09
Everyone needs a music editor as well. Everyone edits all their song files. Nobody just rips music to their computer and their player handle the organization. Nope, they edit each file. Again, even though I don't have a music editor installed I just do it by editing the files by hand. Also WMP and MMC are not installed on any Windows computers. Those lawsuits Microsoft is facing in the EU about having these things installed by default are just urban legends.
Everyone edits video too. I film lots of video with my non-existent camcorder and I edit it with the software that isn't installed on my computer... oh wait, sorry, I do have video editing software installed because it came on my computer by default. Wait, holy crap I have two programs that do it. What? According to CNBC this couldn't be. Whatever... Well I still edit that non-existence video by hand anyway.
This guy is a retard. I bet his next segment on PCs vs Macs will be talking about how Macs are awesome because they come with a web-browser whereas on Windows you have to buy one because it doesn't come with a web-browser. Then he'll mention that Macs let you browse files on your hard-drives but on Windows you can't because Explorer doesn't exist.
I know for a fact that most, if not all their hosts on CNBC own stock in Apple. There are certain stocks their tv hosts like to pump ALL the time (and Apple is one of them) and trash the competition to those stocks. It should be illegal if it isn't already.
This doesn't even count the fact that CNBC is wrong on just about everything. Especially stocks. Its why the comedian, Stewart made so much fun of them not long ago.
I do not know much about mac's but do macs come with photoshop installed?
And people call Neowin Biased.
Anyone that runs any OS without some sort of Antivirus, Firewalls, IDS etc in a corporate environment is stupid. That is unless they do no bussiness networked to the outside world.
Tranining is important too as there are lots of stupid people out there.
I could continue reading comments about 'wtf' etc etc, but i'll just stop here and say yeah. complete crap.
How do you expect me to believe there are little pixies in Mac's which blow the dust away and use it to build their little huts. This is the kind of superstition id expect from a Pagan.
What is it about apple that manages to suck rational thought out of people like a vacuum . Same parts same reliability .
Apple does state on their site that they get viruses, etc; though their ads would have people believe otherwise. As I mentioned, I use a Mac and I want to give Goldman a swift kick to the gentleman's region after hearing what he had to say.
have you seen the latest Ads? its the same old tired lies, like OS X never freezes or screws up, which is still usually a fault of the user, goes for both Windows and OS X
And yea, it's gonna be way hard for Apple to compete with Windows 7.
What would they do if MS put out a product that costs less, outperforms, and looks just as cool or cooler? Well it's called Windows 7 and it's right around the corner.
Apple is freaked so they're letting it all go to recruit as many new fanboys as possible before the shizzle hits the fan.
have you seen the latest Ads? its the same old tired lies, like OS X never freezes or screws up, which is still usually a fault of the user, goes for both Windows and OS X
+1
have you seen the latest Ads? its the same old tired lies, like OS X never freezes or screws up, which is still usually a fault of the user, goes for both Windows and OS X
+10
He puts Mac fanboys on Neowin to shame.
Not all Mac users are that ignorant. Just to be clear. I prefer Macs for a number of reasons. Some he mentioned, but most of what he said was complete bull****.
He puts Mac fanboys on Neowin to shame.
Not all Mac users are that ignorant. Just to be clear. I prefer Macs for a number of reasons. Some he mentioned, but most of what he said was complete bull****.
Couldn't have said it better myself, Simon.
He puts Mac fanboys on Neowin to shame.
Not all Mac users are that ignorant. Just to be clear. I prefer Macs for a number of reasons. Some he mentioned, but most of what he said was complete bull****.
Completely agree. I've seen some extremely capable devs and engineers loving the *Nix core and OSX in general and let's face it, it's a beautiful system, but a system with flaws nonetheless. It still crashes, freezes, even blue screens. Not even going into the extensibility and upgrades to crucial elements like CPUs or GPUs which are pretty impossible of even if they do come up they are always behind the curve and much more expensive then exactly same PC cards, for no reason whatsover.
I understand some people don't care about that, but being able to upgrade your computers without spending a fortune or having to buy a whole new PC is something that Apple will never be able to compete with.
I mean are we really taking seriously a company with 8% market share. It's really kind of obvious why Apple is ticked and is trying through all PR stunts to fight back MS ads. They are like a spoiler brat now crying, screaming and kicking everything trying to say "it's not TRUE". It's somewhat amusing really.
Last edited by Boz on 21 Apr 2009 - 09:42
Thank you for that. I will admit my background is with Microsoft (everything from system-building to networking to developing), but I've always had a very strong regard for Apple's design and innovation. I still vividly remember the first time I sat down at a Mac in February of '84, and knowing then that it would change everything.
There absolutely are reasons to prefer Apple's products, and I respect that. It shouldn't require the kind of blatant mischaracterization that Goldman descended to here.
With retards like this guy its little wonder Vista continues to get such awful press
You what? A computer OS can embody human ideals now? Microsoft taught vista to think? Wow
Seriously though, how did you come to that conclusion, personally I love using Vista it works very nicely
Last edited by John S. on 21 Apr 2009 - 10:23
It interrupts you, either explicitly with popups and modal dialogs, or with poorly-organized UI that interrupts your workflow.
There's nothing like when you're in the middle of a project or task, and the UAC prompt stops you. Or when you need to use almost anything in the control panel, and it's buried 4 or more dialogs deep, and requires you to verify yourself several times. Even XP has tons of pop-ups and prompts that keep interrupting, but Vista was the worst.
The nice thing about OS X or Ubuntu, is that they don't get in the way. Most dialogs that pop up are non-modal, and whenever the OS demands your attention, stuff just bounces in the dock (which is annoying, but not flow-breaking).
Windows 7 does seem to take these things into consideration so far, but we'll see how the release pans out.
It interrupts you, either explicitly with popups and modal dialogs, or with poorly-organized UI that interrupts your workflow.
There's nothing like when you're in the middle of a project or task, and the UAC prompt stops you. Or when you need to use almost anything in the control panel, and it's buried 4 or more dialogs deep, and requires you to verify yourself several times. Even XP has tons of pop-ups and prompts that keep interrupting, but Vista was the worst.
The nice thing about OS X or Ubuntu, is that they don't get in the way. Most dialogs that pop up are non-modal, and whenever the OS demands your attention, stuff just bounces in the dock (which is annoying, but not flow-breaking).
Windows 7 does seem to take these things into consideration so far, but we'll see how the release pans out.
Friend, just get a free Norton UAC control and your UAC problems will go away. You have Don't ask me again checkbox and for repetitive operations UAC will never pop up again and you'll still be protected without turning it off.
Vista had a rocky start, granted. But what new OS doesn't. OSX was crashing and burning, the whole Rosetta fiasco and similar, yet press never reacted as they did with Vista. When Microsoft released SP1 for Vista and more manufacturers and software companies go up to date with the new OS, everything started working just great.
Vista SP1 x64 is a terrific OS and with SP2 it will be even better since it will bring a lot of optimizations to it. I'm not even talking about Windows 7 which is truly the best OS that came out of Redmond for all the time they've been producing Windows.
Sounds more like a user issue than an OS one. Vista only pops up the UAC when you're trying to write to protected folders or files or installing things that want admin level access, so what the hell are you doing to your PC?
It interrupts you, either explicitly with popups and modal dialogs, or with poorly-organized UI that interrupts your workflow.
There's nothing like when you're in the middle of a project or task, and the UAC prompt stops you. Or when you need to use almost anything in the control panel, and it's buried 4 or more dialogs deep, and requires you to verify yourself several times. Even XP has tons of pop-ups and prompts that keep interrupting, but Vista was the worst.
If you're getting random UAC prompts, then there is seriously something wrong with your system. You only see a UAC prompt when a process needs administrative privileges to run. If you are seeing many random prompts appear, then you probably have some type of malware installed. I have UAC enabled on two systems, and I never receive random prompts.
For Control Panel, if you don't like the default icon setup, then on the left side of the screen, click the link that says: "Classic View".
It interrupts you, either explicitly with popups and modal dialogs, or with poorly-organized UI that interrupts your workflow.
There's nothing like when you're in the middle of a project or task, and the UAC prompt stops you. Or when you need to use almost anything in the control panel, and it's buried 4 or more dialogs deep, and requires you to verify yourself several times. Even XP has tons of pop-ups and prompts that keep interrupting, but Vista was the worst.
If you're getting random UAC prompts, then there is seriously something wrong with your system. You only see a UAC prompt when a process needs administrative privileges to run. If you are seeing many random prompts appear, then you probably have some type of malware installed. I have UAC enabled on two systems, and I never receive random prompts.
For Control Panel, if you don't like the default icon setup, then on the left side of the screen, click the link that says: "Classic View".
I did, java updater "randomly" prompts you with UAC, however that is SUN's fault and you can't blame bad programming on microsoft
With retards like this guy its little wonder Vista continues to get such awful press
And we wonder why Judges rule the way the do sometimes. In Illinois if you follow the Law to the letter firewalls are illegal. Yet the State itself firewalls its webservers.
It interrupts you, either explicitly with popups and modal dialogs, or with poorly-organized UI that interrupts your workflow.
There's nothing like when you're in the middle of a project or task, and the UAC prompt stops you. Or when you need to use almost anything in the control panel, and it's buried 4 or more dialogs deep, and requires you to verify yourself several times. Even XP has tons of pop-ups and prompts that keep interrupting, but Vista was the worst.
If you're getting random UAC prompts, then there is seriously something wrong with your system. You only see a UAC prompt when a process needs administrative privileges to run. If you are seeing many random prompts appear, then you probably have some type of malware installed. I have UAC enabled on two systems, and I never receive random prompts.
For Control Panel, if you don't like the default icon setup, then on the left side of the screen, click the link that says: "Classic View".
I did, java updater "randomly" prompts you with UAC, however that is SUN's fault and you can't blame bad programming on microsoft
I'm pretty sure the Java updater is to blame of the UAC prompts, actually.
My point wasn't only about UAC and control panel though, it was flow-interrupting prompts and poor design in general. And I agree, much of it is due to bad programming on the part of third party applications, but that's no excuse. Microsoft has made vague or poor UI design documentation from the start, and that has led to a myriad of problems when working with windows in general (not just Vista).
I am really glad that you guys didn't see this as "just another ******* who never used Vista and likes to call it slow and crappy". Thanks for the suggestion about Norton UAC. I'll have to check that out.
One thing is for sure though, having a customizable level of UAC prompts in Windows 7 has me doing a happy dance.
It interrupts you, either explicitly with popups and modal dialogs, or with poorly-organized UI that interrupts your workflow.
There's nothing like when you're in the middle of a project or task, and the UAC prompt stops you. Or when you need to use almost anything in the control panel, and it's buried 4 or more dialogs deep, and requires you to verify yourself several times. Even XP has tons of pop-ups and prompts that keep interrupting, but Vista was the worst.
The nice thing about OS X or Ubuntu, is that they don't get in the way. Most dialogs that pop up are non-modal, and whenever the OS demands your attention, stuff just bounces in the dock (which is annoying, but not flow-breaking).
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/04/20/c...-as-well-as-mac
Windows 7 does seem to take these things into consideration so far, but we'll see how the release pans out.
So. You're basing your entire hatred for Vista on the fact UAC pops up in your face rather than "bounce" in a dock.
Good god. I thought the VIsta haters would eventually run out of things to say.
Psssst. It's called disabling UAC. GASP.
I have a feeling that people will buy a Mac now (mind you, the less tech-savvy people), after watching this, expecting Photoshop and be sorely disappointed :p
It makes for a fun discussion
Why not? Why shouldn't the complete stupidity of the people who wrote the story be exposed?
+1
The one in my area sucked. Poor customer service. But I'm sure there are other ones who have great service, so I wont go and bash all the genius bars.
Last edited by DerAusgewanderte on 20 Apr 2009 - 23:45
+1
They keep up with the childish remarks instead of showing the actual product, or real life useage
what if that person installed linux
Antivirus, dont need one cause he is very unlikely gonna get a virus
Multimedia software is free, its sometimes bundled with the distro
Photoshop, just install gimp or thousand other fairly capable photo editing software
Same about video and music editing, its free
100 for geek squad
Antivirus: haven't run it for nearly 8 years. No viruses, no malware, no problems.
Multimedia software: not sure exactly what this means, but WMP, Zune, WinAmp, VLC, and Audicity are all free and all available for Windows
Photoshop: Gimp is available for Windows, too, but for simple edits I prefer Paint.NET
Video editing: can't really speak much for free as I typically use Vegas 8. I've used WMM once - it wasn't terrible
Geek Squad: total rip-off, my 12-year-old brother would do a better job for less money
Antivirus: haven't run it for nearly 8 years. No viruses, no malware, no problems.
Multimedia software: not sure exactly what this means, but WMP, Zune, WinAmp, VLC, and Audicity are all free and all available for Windows
Photoshop: Gimp is available for Windows, too, but for simple edits I prefer Paint.NET
Video editing: can't really speak much for free as I typically use Vegas 8. I've used WMM once - it wasn't terrible
Geek Squad: total rip-off, my 12-year-old brother would do a better job for less money
Exactly. I used Windows for my entire life, up until January this year, and never had any problems at all.
Agree on the other points.
Windows Defender and Malicious Software Removal Tool
Agree on the other points.
Eh? Oh, I just quoted that... I always used AV software, just to be on the safe side :p
That doesn't cover everything. It's a dangerous game to play.
Okay..with Vista we got a bunch of security things that will protect you from getting serious infection if any at all.
Windows Defender against Spyware
UAC for limiting app execution rights on system level
DEP (Data Execution Prevention) that protects kernel or you can define wider range of protection above just system.
IE and FF all have fishing hooks too and immediately shut down access to sites with viruses showing a warning message to not get in.
Malicious Software Removal Tool, just in case you do get problems which is very rare.
I ran Windows Vista for months without AV software and had zero problems.
Want to bet?
I've seen plenty of free software on Windows and Linux that piddles all over iLife. As for GIMP lacking a lot of photoshop features, I'll remind you that GIMP is free, and Photoshop isn't, not matter what the plonker in the article says.
Windows Defender against Spyware
UAC for limiting app execution rights on system level
DEP (Data Execution Prevention) that protects kernel or you can define wider range of protection above just system.
IE and FF all have fishing hooks too and immediately shut down access to sites with viruses showing a warning message to not get in.
Malicious Software Removal Tool, just in case you do get problems which is very rare.
I ran Windows Vista for months without AV software and had zero problems.
Windows Defender doesn't do viruses.
UAC isn't virus protection.
DEP is related, but doesn't prevent you getting it in the first place.
IE and Fx protect against phishing. Not viruses.
Malicious Software Removal Tool only covers the biggest viruses. And only comes out and (afaik) runs once a month.
Windows Defender against Spyware
UAC for limiting app execution rights on system level
DEP (Data Execution Prevention) that protects kernel or you can define wider range of protection above just system.
IE and FF all have fishing hooks too and immediately shut down access to sites with viruses showing a warning message to not get in.
Malicious Software Removal Tool, just in case you do get problems which is very rare.
I ran Windows Vista for months without AV software and had zero problems.
Windows Defender doesn't do viruses.
UAC isn't virus protection.
DEP is related, but doesn't prevent you getting it in the first place.
IE and Fx protect against phishing. Not viruses.
Malicious Software Removal Tool only covers the biggest viruses. And only comes out and (afaik) runs once a month.
Actually Defender does do some viruses, it is more of point of infection and can be anything from spyware and malware to tried and true viruses.
UAC isn't virus protection, anymore than SUDO on UNIX keeping keeping it virus free as people use to actually claim.
IE protects from more than just phishing, starting with IE7, it has several levels of security related to plugin/ActiveX and with IE8, even prevents Ad tracking - let alone InPrivate that will block ads, etc.
IE7 or IE8 on Vista ALSO run in a special protect mode that has lower security than the user actually running the browser. This is why when exploits in Java or Flash or even IE that have hit XP in the past few years tend to skip Vista, as even if IE gets infected it has NO Security that allows it to modify anything on the system to let the virus or malware 'infect' the system.
(Running IE7 or IE8 on Vista with default settings is the safest way to currently browse the internet, and that is with IE6 on XP being the least safe way to browse the Internet. - So quite the shift.)
Malicious Software Removal Tool is a ramp up to a full time version of the software that you will see for Windows in the next year replacing OneCare, and will not be a performance hog like other anti-virus tools, as it will either use the VIsta RT protection APIs or just combine with Defender and scan only entry points with routine scheduled scans.
As for the Malicious Software Removal Tool ONLY removing the biggest viruses, you need to go back and check your facts on that. Additionally, since it put out by Microsoft, it will clean all points of infection on many Viruses and Spyware that no other software has been able to pull off, or at least as fast of a turn around as the Malicious software tool.
Go look up AntiVirus 2007 that hit back in October, it and variants injected itself into systems on so many levels and in so many areas - essentially something that hit XP users and NOT Vista users. The MS Malicious software removal tool to date is the only solution that our techs know of that will completely remove the infection, from network hijacking to registry changes to all the little applications and device level holes it would add to a user's system.
And again, Vista users running IE in protected mode, never got this malware, XP users and Vista users running Firefox were exposed though.
You can easily run a Windows machine without active Antivirus software, rather easily without infection. My entire family and friends do as a personal note, and even my company's systems don't run any active anti-virus software. There was some Group Policies put in place at work and some employee training of basic things that go hand in hand with that, but to date, myself, my family, nor my company has ever had ANY infection, and this goes back to NT 4.0 and Win2K when we moved to the NT architecture full time.
I remember the days of NT 4.0 and how RARE antivirus software was for it, just like Linux and OS X because of its obscurity, that changed and changed big with XP's popularity. It could happen to other any other OS out there.
The difference is Windows NT and Microsoft have been beaten like a dead horse on the subject, and is why you find Vista and IE outperforming OS X and Firefox when it comes to vulnerbilities and code quality regarding security.
OS X is still very un-tested when it comes to large scale attacks, and Apple has a lot of work a head of them as their market share increases and hackers find it useful to bot out OS X and use the cracks in the skin of the Apple of OS X.
Also remember, 10% of UNIX machines out there are esitmated to be running 'hidden' bots with the users not having a clue they are infected. And that is not a large population to hit in the grand scheme of things, so it tends to be a lot of severs that IT people think are 'secure' because of the Linux and OpenBSD security myths.
Just last year several universities were hit with bots at the server level that leaked student information to the bot creators. And these were not just average schools, but places like MIT and Berkley, and even OpenBSD running the Berkley servers. Scary uh?
----
I do recommend most users at least run a passive antivirus software that does a basic daily scan at the least, and things like Defender and the Malicious Software Removal tools of MS do help.
Also running Vista and using IE in the default protected mode pretty much ensures that an 'unseen' exploit won't be able to modify anything on the system, so even if you get hit with it, it can't infect the system.
Also remember Defender DOES work with IE to protect entry points, as well as basic network entry points that could bypass the firewall.
That is why when you run WoW or City of Heroes or some other online game on Vista, defender and the firewall do applicaiton layer two way monitoring, and will prompt you if the game should be accessing the network. Which not only increases your system security or alerts you to malware, but protects other people by no letting your system become a freaking bot.
What happens if the person buying the computer just uses free media players, GIMP, AVG, and Windows Movie Maker? Maybe the person using the computer doesn't even need photo, video, and audio editing software.
What if this person has knowledge on computers, and can troubleshoot and diagnose problems?
There we go, take that $1500 price tag, subtract $800 and there we go. That $699 computer costs $699 dollars.
I still don't understand how they can claim Macs are so fast and never freeze etc. I remember a specific incident where I was editing a basic video in iMovie and the whole OS locked up. They are so full of themselves it's not even funny. To clarify, I'm not saying Macs and OS X are garbage, I'm just saying that they aren't as perfect as Apple makes them out to be.
Nothing is perfect.
BoneyardBrew, you should note that this garbage in this video didn't come from Apple. I bet their employees are going to peeved now when they have to tell 10 customers a day that no, you won't get free Photoshop.
Yeah, it was only once, but I figured I'd mention it.
BoneyardBrew, you should note that this garbage in this video didn't come from Apple. I bet their employees are going to peeved now when they have to tell 10 customers a day that no, you won't get free Photoshop.
Oh, a lot of people are going to be angry about this. I can't believe that guy even mentioned such a specific and expensive program like Photoshop.
Well, we'll see how this rolls out.
All he is is another stupid ass mac fanatic that knows nothing about the PC world and thinks those are the only products you can ever install on a computer.
Laptops are not ideal for gaming, no matter the OS.
Business?
uhhh, no.
Business.. kinda.
- Office, no MS Access support and crappy WMV support in Powerpoint. vice versa for mov for Windows.
- Active Directory.. I feel that its actually better on a Mac.. When you join a domain. You have to reboot windows. Mac, just logout.
- Antivirus - Run your windows computers AND servers with AV.
- iWork - The only good program is Keynote, it can make any sales person make a great looking presentation.
- Open DNS.. the best choice ever. Set your DNS forwardwers to this and your users will have a difficult time getting a virus. It blocks malware sites, phishing scams, etc. Just not that .exe file in your email attachment.
I use all os's.. well Windows, OSX and Linux in my workplace. I use the tools that work the best for the application.
Multimedia Software: $80-$104
Photoshop: $140
Video Editing: $100
Music Software: $100
Geek Squad Visit: $129
let's see
AVG Anti-Virus: free
Windows Media Player: free
Photoshop: free
VirtualDub: free
Winamp: free
Geek Squad Visit: why pay someone to "fix" my computer when I can do a BETTER job
seems that my computer performs "as well as a mac" and I didn't have to spend a penny to get it that way
wait, OS X comes with Photoshop? since when?
I was about to ask the same question
sorry, i forgot to put in that i would find a free alternative if i needed photo editing software
Photoshop is one of the most common "free" applications to be used on PC's... Obviously not in the legal sense mind you xD
let's see
AVG Anti-Virus: free
Windows Media Player: free
Photoshop: free
VirtualDub: free
Winamp: free
Geek Squad Visit: why pay someone to "fix" my computer when I can do a BETTER job
seems that my computer performs "as well as a mac" and I didn't have to spend a penny to get it that way
wait, OS X comes with Photoshop? since when?[/quote]
You might can do a better job but for the millions of average joe idiots, they will pay for Geek Squad like fixes. Also, your misunderstanding, Music software does not mean a player, it means music composition and editing software. Photoshop, yes, this guy is a ****ing tard, butpossibly meant ability to edit photos in iLife? lol I doubt it, but thats a possibility.
He fits their image entirely...windbags.
That's because your an idiot. When a popup ad says you are infected you click the crap out of it. You open all the stupid forwards that you get in your email. He probably doesn't even install any of his updates.
games: 70-500$
word processor: 150$
cd burning software: 100$
norton firewall: 50$/year
photo organizing software: 100$
WOW! That's 600$+900$ = 1500$ more expensive than macs! gee golly who would've thought?
Games are optional.
games: 70-500$
word processor: 150$
cd burning software: 100$
norton firewall: 50$/year
photo organizing software: 100$
WOW! That's 600$+900$ = 1500$ more expensive than macs! gee golly who would've thought?
You're paying 70-500 dollars for games? What games are you buying that cost that much? The only games I've paid more than 50 dollars for are collectors editions of games like WoW and Guild Wars. But, and this a big but...but you don't need games to run a computer so I don't see how that can even be factored into any costs.
games: 70-500$
word processor: 150$
cd burning software: 100$
norton firewall: 50$/year
photo organizing software: 100$
WOW! That's 600$+900$ = 1500$ more expensive than macs! gee golly who would've thought?
Games: $9.95-$49.95 (AAA-list PC games); add $10 for Mac versions where they exist
Word Processor: Open Office.org ($0)/NeoOffice (same software for Mac) ($0)
CD/DVD burning software: ImgBurn ($0) (also available for Mac)
Firewall: Zone Alarm Firewall ($0)
Photo organizing software: Photoshop Album Starter Edition (Adobe) ($0) (I don't need it; however, Mom uses it on *her* Vista Ultimate PC)
Mister Goldman; do proper research, *please*!
You joking? I hope so. Cause that was the most apple-fanboy post in this thread.
Now you're just getting arrogant. Just shut up, and stop being a troll.
Realize that WoW is one of the games available for mac, also.
games: 70-500$
word processor: 150$
cd burning software: 100$
norton firewall: 50$/year
photo organizing software: 100$
WOW! That's 600$+900$ = 1500$ more expensive than macs! gee golly who would've thought?
haha wind-up merchant pwnage
games: 70-500$
word processor: 150$
cd burning software: 100$
norton firewall: 50$/year
photo organizing software: 100$
WOW! That's 600$+900$ = 1500$ more expensive than macs! gee golly who would've thought?
What are you smoking dude? Games dont cost that much and here is other stuff to debunk your claims...
Word Processor: Open Office FREE
CD Burning: ImgBurn,. Burrrn, FREE
Photo Software: Paint.NET, GIMP, FREE
Firewall: Zone Alarm FREE
This video came from the TV, but its uploaded on CNBC.com
not to menton CNBC is microsoft's news source for msn
Are people so shocked by the video that they've forgotten their language skills and common sense? Or the ability to read posts in logical order? This isn't doing anything good for our image as non-Mac users. Overreacting in a patriotic way is the ways of Mac users.
CD Burning software. Same cost on each if you want to upgrade to a "Pro" version.
Sounds like Apple paid someone to do this...
First get a copy of hackintosh and test it.Then comment whether you like or hate it.All mac"fanboys" have tried windows vista so it will only be fair.But if u really hate apple then SCREEN OF DEATH for you.keep hiding in old billy's panties.
First get a copy of hackintosh and test it.Then comment whether you like or hate it.All mac"fanboys" have tried windows vista so it will only be fair.But if u really hate apple then SCREEN OF DEATH for you.keep hiding in old billy's panties.
[< image snipped > - Calum]
I have used a Mac before. My experience wasn't bad with them, but it sure as hell wasn't perfect. I'm not totally bashing them, but Apple tends to put out false information about their OS just to gain customers that may not know better. That's what this is all about, Apple and their ads.
Last edited by Calum on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:33
First get a copy of hackintosh and test it.Then comment whether you like or hate it.All mac"fanboys" have tried windows vista so it will only be fair.But if u really hate apple then SCREEN OF DEATH for you.keep hiding in old billy's panties.
[< image snipped > - Calum]
This article is not even about which is better, os x or windows that I can tell. It is about how some under educated moron went on TV to spout bile that is PROVEN to be false.
How can I say proven? Well I did just buy a Mac and I do like OS X but it did not come with Photoshop for free. The chip speeds are not "always faster" on a Mac as I can find a laptop for less than the 2,500 I paid for this "top of the line Mac Book Pro" that includes a better processor speed.
I converted to Mac for a lot of reasons but it was not to be cool, and it was also not because of some drivel that a wannabe geek said to me. I actually do like the operating system and that was the main reason I did it.
The hardware comes with the OS legit, it runs without any tweaking or needing to dig for drivers, and it works with every piece of software I needed. (Things I needed have OS X ports)
I do not have respect for people who switch to a Mac because of something someone told them. I am certainly not ANTI-MAC because I am happily typing this from inside OS X as we speak. If you want to switch to a Mac, understand WHY first, and learn what really DOES make OS X worth the switching.
Last edited by Calum on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:34
Also, I experience on average a BSOD (and most of those are caused by me tweaking with my overclocks) every 3 months, not bad for an OS that apprently BSOD's all the time, is it?
And regarding BSOD's - I haven't seen one in YEARS! Yes years. FYI - I run XP and Vista on my home and office machines. I also beta test Windows 7 which hasn't BSOD on me either.
Also, I experience on average a BSOD (and most of those are caused by me tweaking with my overclocks) every 3 months, not bad for an OS that apprently BSOD's all the time, is it?
I agree. I use a mac daily at school...brand new iMacs (as of 6 months ago) and they are nothing to write home about. The mighty mouse is one of the most annoying things I've ever had the displeasure of using. Then there is the OS itself...which..I could list out my reasons why I dislike OSX, but I wont. The short of it is there is absolutely no reason why I'd need to use a mac over windows. None what so ever. The guy who in that video is a tool, in fact all of them are.
What false info?I know that mac is not known for game.Do they boast about gaming in their adds??
And if U noticed,their is no gaming option is the the startup question abt ur work.They tend to talk lot about stability and performance which is no lie.Every one who had a chance with cant deny it.
And dude!!Thier is nothing PERFECT in the world.Its all abt better.And plz dont drag window 7 in this conversation cos that will be other days story.
And if U noticed,their is no gaming option is the the startup question abt ur work.They tend to talk lot about stability and performance which is no lie.Every one who had a chance with cant deny it.
And dude!!Thier is nothing PERFECT in the world.Its all abt better.And plz dont drag window 7 in this conversation cos that will be other days story.
****, I didn't understand what you said.
But to your original post: If you had taken time to read the whole discussion (which I presume you didn't, seeing that you don't even take time to re-read your posts' contents), people are attacking the ludicrious $600 (like, free Photoshop on a Mac? Can you please verify that?) statement and not the operating system.
Don't get your panties in a twist... OK? How about a pacifier?
The same can be said about Apple fanboys. It's truly funny that for years Apple users have behaved like elitist snobbist douchebags (this pre-dates OSX), and now that they get some backlash from the PC camp because their stereotypes about PC's aren't valid anymore they whine and moan and complain about MS fanboys while the truth is quite obvious: no other brand has bigger fanboys than Apple. If you want to deny that you are obviously totally brainwashed and there's no hope you can ever be reasoned with.
Seems to me most people are just objecting to outright lies being told about Mac's and PC's. Because that's what is being presented in this video. Just pure lies. There's really no getting around that.
I have. I didn't like it. Do I have a right to speak now? It's funny how this is always the default reply from Mac users when confronted with criticism "you probably never tried it" And when you say you did try it and didn't like it the response will be "you didn't like it because you're to used to Windows, you don't understand" Yes, because of course someone preferring PC's over Mac's out of free will and judgment just isn't possible! It does not compute!
That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any proof to back that up?
I don't hate Apple, I hate the snob behavior on their and their user's part.
But, a KERNEL PANIC right back at ya, I suppose.
Keep worshiping Steve Jobs and paying his Apple tax.
Isn't the internet fun!?
First get a copy of hackintosh and test it.Then comment whether you like or hate it.All mac"fanboys" have tried windows vista so it will only be fair.But if u really hate apple then SCREEN OF DEATH for you.keep hiding in old billy's panties.
Macs are Ok But I prefer PC I can do a lot of stuff with my PC that I could Do with My Mac.Not to mention there are way more apps for my PC.
Like I stated "Mac are ok but PC are better in my opinion"
But, a KERNEL PANIC right back at ya, I suppose.
Keep worshiping Steve Jobs and paying his Apple tax.
HAHAHAHAH.
"Kernal Panic right back at ya, I suppose."
+1,000,000 to you. That's the hardest I've laughed this week.
Miss my comment earlier up?
or even better how many Americans are going to sue him or Apple for that false information ?
The thing that bothers me is how obviously sided towards the mac this 'news story' is. This isn't a news story, it's info-tainment at it's worst.
So let's go through the 'cost' of the pc
Norton Anti-virus: $50 - This is based on you actually paying Norton for virus scanning. AVG Free is better in many ways. There are a lot of free applications around. This is simply trying to find a cost
Multimedia Software: Windows Comes with a group of different multimedia software, windows live provides added functionality. Yes you can buy multimedia software, but the last time i checked people charge for mac software as well.
Photoshop (iPhoto?): Windows Live Gallery, Windows Gallery, Picasa... ohh my god they're free!!
Video Editing: Well let's fact it, this is the only fall down on the PC side. However Windows DVD maker isn't too bad, and i think it'll get better.
Music Software: iTunes is free on windows, Windows Media Player, Winamp, the list continues of free 'music software'
Geek Squad Visit: This comes down to the user. Computers don't break computers. People break them.
Overall, this is a one sided argument where the only thing that can be agreed on is apple has an 8% market share. Good job, remind us all how dominant the PC side is.
The other side, Microsoft would love to include free software on PC's. However companies keep suing them when they try. This is an argument that existing on an unbalanced playing field. How popular would the mac be if they weren't allowed to bundle safari, iMovie, iPhoto, etc etc.
actually, it's $39.99 US. i guess that is for a yearly sub
Now how much do you have to pay to have overall compatibility which Windows has over Mac? Legally? Well first off you have to buy Windows, so that's what, 300$? Then either use bootcamp or buy parallels, 50$.
The thing I hate the most is how Apple and Mac users interchange the term PC and Windows without clarifying. Apple was obviously smart to group anything non-Mac into the term PC, but Mac users are just plain stupid to follow through with it. It just goes to show the incompetence of the people who do that. "PCs suck", but they fail to realize that Mac is also a personal computer as much as they'd like to segregate themselves away from that.
Oh I'll fight semantics to the end.
Nope, that's false too.. Windows comes with Windows Movie Maker and Windows DVD Maker as you said that allow video editing as well as DVD authoring just like iMovie and iDVD.
Currently their is too much stupidity.
*Updated* I submitted a complaint form to CNBC
I would just like to say that Jim Goldman is spreading complete lies on your show. On April 17th, 10:45, Jim Goldman stated that Photoshop comes free with an Apple computer. This is ABSOLUTELY False. Apple does not give you photoshop for free. Jim Goldman also stated that Multimedia software costs about $80-$104. All PCs come with simple multimedia software and if they don't you can download the Windows Live suite for free. Jim Goldman is a liar and is completely biast towards apple. I am utterly dissapointed for letting this man on CNBC and I will not watch it again because of this.
Thank You.
Last edited by Omen1393 on 21 Apr 2009 - 01:43
At least this idiot had the decency to admit he's a Mac "guy" @ the end... talk about a load of FUD...
I bet this guy is getting bombarded with e-mails.
Can we say Apple pay-off?
I got money on a retraction statement coming from Mr. Goldman in a few days when people started questioning "Where's my free Photoshop". I bet the folks at Adobe saw they video and said "He said WHAT?!!? WHAT did he just say!?!"
I got money on a retraction statement coming from Mr. Goldman in a few days when people started questioning "Where's my free Photoshop". I bet the folks at Adobe saw they video and said "He said WHAT?!!? WHAT did he just say!?!"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15837914/
Made me laugh :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGrb5Cssmcg&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGrb5Cssmcg&fmt=18
Heh, this video has been in my youtube favs for quite some time. Still hilarious.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16834100048
really new parts.. for a really high price! thats the short version of it.
look at the link.. do those parts look old? or slow? or out dated?
thats why they cost so much. as odd as this is going to sound.. (as iv never heard anyone say this)
look at the link am i wrong? am i right?
my mac is 6 months old and i have the exact same specs but im a 2.53 ghz cpu not the 2.66
thats the only difference.
as a computer how is it? well no blue-ray.. witch is bull crap for a computer this expensive.
other then that its pretty good. os froze 2 or 3 times.. (out of the 6 months iv had it on) i reboot it when i half to
is it perfect? no.. the best? no.. better then windows? "in some ways" not in everyway..
no registry for example.. however no add/remove to uninstall software (you half to drag it to trash can) the icon
do i like it.. i do.. do i miss owning a pc.. "kinda" my advice is a mac is not for everyone. however it does have a lot of things to offer. (just as the pc side does)
This is total propaganda that you have to pay for this crap
Norton Anti-Virus: $50/year
Multimedia Software: $80-$104
Photoshop: $140
Video Editing: $100
Music Software: $100
Geek Squad Visit: $129
Real Life which are all SHOCKINGLY FREE
1:Comodo firewall + AV, avg, avira and a few more I know I missed, mac only has norton and they have viruses too so really you save with the pc
2: Not to sure what they are refering to here windows has wmp and available for download for FREE vlc, winamp and oh my ITUNES!
3: Gimp
4: Windows Movie maker
5: again Itunes, winamp, wmp
6: Geek Squad Visit: $129 for a mac as well you dumb ass!
Last point I can make is that I can put in a PC what I want when ever I want and mac's aren't very modular so mac's aren't worth the $$ it's a marketing tool that gets ppl hooked and then they regret it, I know when I did tech support for inet ppl were ****ed how much more macs were to get up and running with all there other hardware cause they didn't have drivers or needed a mac expert out "aka geek squad" to set up all the mac hardware, they were ****ed especially when they thought it would be cheaper. This debate will never be won its down to preference and how much you are willing to pay but I hate ppl who only give one side of the coin and personal preference not what is right for the consumer.
1. Antivirus- Avast/Avira Antivirus
2. Multimedia Software - What it means? we have Windows Media Center, Windows Media Player (to play, rip, sync..really it rocks), Media Player Classic, Winamp, Zune Player, Picasa
3. Paint .NET
4. Windows Live Movie Maker
5. Music Software - Windows Media Player, Winamp....
3. Support: Windows Vista Support Center, Microsoft Call Support, Thousends of Forum (such as Neowin.net, winvistaclub.com)
hey where is my Photoshop? I got a MacBook Pro and a Mac Pro and I don't have it...
apparently it has built in spell check into the os (as well as s dictionary)
is it better? worse? well its not worse then a pc.. true it is harder to upgrade
but we all know after 20 years any computer you get will be worth $10.00 computers are like cars
after a while they need replacing.. weather or not that be 1 part at a time.. or all at once.. but thats usually how that goes. their is no getting around that unless you have some kinda ipod touch or something and it has no moving parts.. then maybe you could keep it for longer then "they" want you to. we all know the goal of a company is to have the product break so you go buy a new one and make more $ witch would explain why medication never fixes your problem and you always half to go back to the doctor. they dont want you better.. they want you to go back so you spend more $.
companys never say thanks for coming in dont come back.. no they always say "come again"
if a company builds a product of extremely high quality its taking a risk. so the stuff they make has to change you more as they know if it works you wont be replacing it as often as they would like you to. so they wont make as much revenue so the product costs more.. they say a rolls royce never breaks down..
so it costs $250,000 for one? buy one and you'll never need a new car for a ridiclous'lee long time? so they make one sale every 20/30 years so the car is really expensive..
mac vs pc.. macs are expensive.. this everyone knows
as odd as this is going to sound
no 1 on the internet knows why! (their is something wrong there)
why are they expensive? do they advertise too much? is it extremely hi-end hardware?
once the public (or any person on the planet) finds out why macs are so expensive.
then maybe they will know whats going on with them..
dont bash the product untill you know what it is.
it does come with iphoto that does have some more photo editing features beyond ms-paint
photoshop its not.. but its not ms-paint either.. its ok.. it does some editing features.
my guess is thats what he was referring to??? (cnn moron)
Last edited by Kayden on 21 Apr 2009 - 04:22
i know cuz i called them once.
#1. they do need updating. (not as often as pc but they do)
#2. mine froze 2 times out of 6 months iv had it (too many times i swear!!
#3. they are expensive
#4. you get riddiclous'ly hi-end hardware.. i mean come on 2 video cards in a laptop? 752mb video ram??
#5. one year warrenty (boo just like everyone els)
$6. comes with software not the 30 day trial stuff
#7. crappy 4 hour battery life (its not 8 hours thats only in the new 17 inch model! cnbc moron)
the guy said at the store.. 5 hours battery life.. thats such a load of crap! i never see beyond 4!
usualy i get 3 hours on average depending on settings.
yes the part about the higher end resultion (that one is true)
but its a mac.... its hi-end thats the HOLE POINT of the high price tag..
I can go to a bankquit hall and its $10 a plate of food (highend) or go to mcdonalds and spend $1.00
being a guy and not caring about $ as usual.. I go for the more expensive places.
To be honest, if I didn't build my own systems, I would go for a mac too, Why go with junk components?
To be honest, if I didn't build my own systems, I would go for a mac too, Why go with junk components?
I'm trying hard to figure out if you're actually sarcastic or not.
[< snipped > - Calum]
Last edited by Calum on 21 Apr 2009 - 15:33
To be honest, if I didn't build my own systems, I would go for a mac too, Why go with junk components?
1. Its called WINDOWS
2. You wont get a virus if your a smart computer user
3. "no software"? Macs are the one with "no software
He was talking about what comes with it. Have you actually used a Mac?
Same goes for OS X.
Fact is, both operating systems come with a decent amount of stuff pre installed to set you up. Both also have a wide variety of free, third party apps available and a wide variety of paid for software. Before I had a Mac I was worried I would struggle for software, but when I researched I found loads.
There is no need for this bitching. That article^ is not from Apple nor is it representative of how the majority of Apple users think/feel. After all, we can tell you better than any Windows-only user that Photoshop does not come free with a Mac.
My thinking is this guy bought Photoshop as part of his package with his Mac, or has seen it on someone else's computer and got confused. Why it's even mentioned is beyond me, most users would never require it. This is what happens when you let non techie people talk about such things.
A common symptom, but Easily treated by visiting an apple store and ridding oneself of M$
I wish Photoshop only cost $140
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15837914/
hope he reads this
2. I did not get 1 virus since, well Dos - Every virus problem is user problem
3. Multimedia software - now wtf is that ? I can play everything with my pc, don't need any multimedia software
4. Video editing - I think Windows movie maker fits my needs to edit videos at home
5. Music software - Come on ! I don't need music editor. For what ? To create a bell song for my videos ? And as a prof. u would buy logic or cubase for 400-500 $
6. Geek squad - whaaaaaaaaa ? pc broke -> warranty -> in time -> great -> out of time -> suck and pay
mac broke -> warranty -> in time -> great -> out of time -> suck and pay much more even for a ram
I hate this brainwashing BULLS##T
OH... AND BTW... A MAC COULD FREEZE IN THE BEST TIME - my pathology professor has a macbook XD
The Macs are only cool nothing more, and the things "cool" are always more expensive period. At least the latest mac with Intel cpu are good performer on par with comparative PC, before with motorola cpu was even more slow that a pc at the half of the $.
Oh lol. Norton won't stop you from getting viruses, what a laugh.
That's what i want to know...
* There are cheaper (and excellent) AVs out there, such as NOD32 ($40 1pc/1yr), and you can also find real deals for boxed software from online vendors like Amazon (Norton AV '09 $34.99 3pc). Also, Microsoft is working on their own entrant to the AV market, which should be a nice combination with Windows Defender, and I imagine would also be free like Defender is (NOTE: I saw a news item on this a few months ago, I don't know if that is still the current plan at MS).
* Multi-media software, music, and video editing at $300 combined seems kind of silly. He doesn't specify exactly what he's referring to. Listening to music, or making music? There are dozens of free alternatives for listening, including WMP which is bundled with Windows. Even iTunes is free! Editing videos is another matter entirely though, so... Dell is offering a PS Elements and PS Premier Elements bundle at a very nice price of $99 when you buy a new PC.
* Geek Squad visit is certainly something you "need," although I realize that we here at Neowin aren't your typical computer user.
In the end, the guy's argument doesn't hold water, since you can still get a mid-range PC with the software you "need" for under $1000, and with adequate care, it should last a long time.
If you're a family whose ancient computer has finally died, now is a great time to buy a budget friendly PC that will suit your needs. IMO that is not something that Apple takes into consideration, and I don't think that they have to either, because it's not their market, however much they would like it to be.
Thank god I didnt waste my time watching the video, thanks for the summary NeoWin. I shall waste my minutes on something else.
"epic fail"
what now?
multitouch touchpad - big deal, Synaptics touchpads can do multitouch also
increased battery life - most laptops can get the same battery life with 8-12 cell battery and I don't have to worry about send my laptop back to apple (and remember to remove my hard drive or move all my data off) to get the battery replaced if something is wrong with it.
"You need to spend an extra $600+ to get the same hardware on a Mac rather than a PC."
As for the list of things that "you're also gonna want to buy":
Norton Anti-Virus: $50/year (Haven't had any antivirus software and I'm virus free. How? By not searching for porn on google and then clicking on every site and downloading that extra codec I'm being asked to install to watch a video)
Multimedia Software: $80-$104 (VLC $0)
Photoshop: $140 (Gimp or Paint.NET, both free. Or pay a visit to my Swedish eye patched friends, also free. Btw photoshop is $629.99 not $140)
Video Editing: $100 (Don't do any video editing dunno)
Music Software: $100 (iTunes or foobar, FREE)
Geek Squad Visit: $129 (This one is just plain ******* stupid)
Butthurt PC fanboys!
Butthurt PC fanboys!
noes! you got it the other way around. mac fanbois got the butthurt cause of this article..sheeeshh..
Butthurt PC fanboys!
If it were the truth, yes. But it isn't. So no.
Last edited by Calum on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:41
Lol what will change? Yeah, the all the big gaming studios will stop developing for D3D and go after OGL3 in hopes they get retards like you as a customer.
Sorry to burst your bubble, unless OS X is able to run on non-proprietary hardware it will always be a novelty OS for the cool kids. And the only game developer for you will remain blizzard.
At least you'll have SC2 and D3 to play for the next decade.
Last edited by Calum on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:38
64 Bit CS4 on a MAC really???
Last edited by Calum on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:38
Oh, now that's funny! Apple chauvinists have been blathering on that for years, but the last Mac game that anybody paid any serious attention to was Myst.
Gaming isn't just a market. It's more of a sub-culture, akin to the guys you see fiddling with their Hondas. Gamers don't just play games. Most of them--at the least--like to tune their systems for better performance. They like to play with drivers, with OC, and (gasp!) different hardware!
Apple will never be a gaming platform until they decide they want to accomodate this market.
How the hell can anyone figure out what you're trying to say? Pick up a handbook on English and learn how to use punctuation and spell out words- real words.
Last edited by Calum on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:38
Really? So that's why new versions are released for PC first these days.
Wut? obvious change in curser? What does that even mean?
Yes. The entire games industry is going to switch over to a slow developing OpenGL 3. Just because Apple wants to.
i have a pc and non of above i went/use.
so now gimme +600$ for my pocket please!
I just emailed them. Goldman is a tool
The closest thing that Mac has that is comparable is $3000. I COULD BUY TWO of what I have for that price! Instead, I opted to buy my Xbox 360, my windows mobile smartphone and my Zune 120 gig. and I still came out less than buying a mac.
I don't use photoshop and have no need for it. I use paint.net (free) gimp (free) and picasa (free).
I don't use real-time anti-virus because I pay attention to what I do, BUT I do an occational manual scan with clamwin AV (free). If I did want to run real-tim AV I would use AVG (free).
I don't do video editing but if I did, I would try to find something free (see a trend here?)
Music software? Really? WTF? zune, Itunes, windows media, foobar, etc... (all free). Editing? Alternative for garageband? I would use Reaper (free) or Audacity (free).
As far as the geek squad goes, well, first of all I have a warranty for 2 years. So uhm... no. Then that is also assuming that your crappy mac doesn't breakdown after 2 years as well. Point moot!
Mac users have been trying to justify their purchases (and wasted money) by putting down windows for years. Unfortunately the silent majority won't speak up and its killing me. I love Vista, it serves my needs. I would never in a million years pay for something that is twice as much and get twice as less.
We all know that Macs don't come with Photoshop, they come with iPhoto. Windows has softwre just as powerful so take $140 off the bill. AVG free is... oh that's right... FREE... take another $50 off. Only the completely clueless need a "Geeksquad" visit on their initial purchase and this can apply to Mac people as much as PC so in fairness we can take that off the bill. Music software? Alright, Windows doesn't have that by default. Add it on only if you need it. Windows has Movie Maker and PhotoStory built in. If you need something more then go ahead and get Premiere Elements I guess but again only if you need it.
So we've gone from $600 to zero unless you need the functionality of advanced software like Photoshop and Premiere but that's not standard on a Mac either.
Always good to start the day with a laugh. Thanks, CNBC!
Once you go Mac, you never go back
Yup, that's why they invented BootCamp and use the fact that Macs can run Windows as one of the top reasons to "switch". Ha ha ha, this guy is hilarious.
On the $50 for Security software claim, 2 points:
1. The days of Mac's being somehow impervious to viruses, etc. are drawing to a close, in large part due to the platform's increasing popularity. Hackers are profit-driven, clever guys. If there's a market for Mac-based malware, they'll find ways to exploit it. The New York Times and others covered the story:
http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...of-the-botnets/
2. There are plenty of PC security solutions for Windows that don't cost a dime, and arguably do a better job than the paid-for ones.
On the $129 for Geek Squad, 2 points
1. I agree with the points made by others here that somehow all PC buyers have a $129 Geek Squad diagnostic visit in their near future is an overstatement, to say the least.
2. There are also a number of remote PC support solutions out there that can address just about any software issue on a PC that can connect to the Internet. For people who need "professional help" to get their machine back to good performance, these remote PC support services provide the service on demand for a fraction of the cost of the Geek Squad.
As several have pointed out there are lots of free or very low cost solutions available for windows users that provide comparable benefits to the software that is provided in a Mac for "free."
Why did you buy a new Apple product when they would not fix the broken one you purchased? I wouldn't do business with a company that did that.
Even granting the "anti-virus" advantage (questionable in itself; Macs never get viruses?), and that, no Windows doesn't come with music-editing software, the rest of Goldman's claims are BS. "Photoshop"? I'm going to assume he erroneously used that as a generic name for image editing software in general. And, true, iPhoto is nice, but Windows Live Photo Gallery gives a lot of opportunity for basic adjustments.
Windows Live Movie Maker is actually a very nice editing app. In fact, I find I use it more than Adobe Premiere Elements, particularly since its capture functions are far more reliable.
And exactly what "multimedia" software is he talking about? Most versions of Windows out there include Media Center, and Windows Media Player itself is no slouch. Won't work with your iPod? Download iTunes.
I'm usually hesitant to recommend a Windows configuration that depends on downloads, but in the case of the Windows Live apps, Microsoft itself gives firm, obvious guidance after a Windows install, and the installation itself is pretty painless. And everyone knows iTunes by now...
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/con...2968_page_2.htm
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/con...2968_page_2.htm
Haha is almost the same thing. Where is the creditability?
Image Editing: Gimp, cost, $0.
Anyway, you get the point..... Stupid article.
The many other alternatives you can find for free, cost: $0.
You could also download Winamp which comes with an iPod plugin
Multimedia Software: $80-$104
Photoshop: $140
Video Editing: $100
Music Software: $100
Geek Squad Visit: $129
Free Antivirus: AVG or Avast, not to mention free Antispyware with Windows Defender
Free Multimedia software: Audacity
Free Image editing: Numerous of free ones out there, just search google.
Free Video editing: Windows movie maker
Free music software: Audacity
Geek Squad Visit? If you don't know anything about computers this might be necessary, but not anymore expensive than the Apple total care or whatever its called.
Multimedia Software: $80-$104
Photoshop: $140
Video Editing: $100
Music Software: $100
Geek Squad Visit: $129
Free Antivirus: AVG or Avast, not to mention free Antispyware with Windows Defender
Free Multimedia software: Audacity
Free Image editing: Numerous of free ones out there, just search google.
Free Video editing: Windows movie maker
Free music software: Audacity
Geek Squad Visit? If you don't know anything about computers this might be necessary, but not anymore expensive than the Apple total care or whatever its called.
not to mention the hassle of being without a laptop for a few weeks while apple works on it.
Multimedia Software: $80-$104
Photoshop: $140
Video Editing: $100
Music Software: $100
Geek Squad Visit: $129
Free Antivirus: AVG or Avast, not to mention free Antispyware with Windows Defender
Free Multimedia software: Audacity
Free Image editing: Numerous of free ones out there, just search google.
Free Video editing: Windows movie maker
Free music software: Audacity
Geek Squad Visit? If you don't know anything about computers this might be necessary, but not anymore expensive than the Apple total care or whatever its called.
Plus Antivirus is a smart move wasnt there article about apple recommending antivirus programs.
Multimedia Software: windows media player included
Photoshop: i dont use it so y would i pay for it
It's kind of indicative to how much actual work misinformed mac fanboys actually do.
Who cares if macs get less viruses... the OS looks like crap... and as we all know... u can download tons of anti-virus programs for free!
Total bs.. =)
Multimedia Software: $80-$104
Photoshop: $140
Video Editing: $100
Music Software: $100
Geek Squad Visit: $129
AVG - Free
Photoshop: 199 upgrade 699 full - same price for windows or mac actually it comes with both. I have CS4
All the others listed were to vague to reply to but I am sure I can get freeware to do all of it.
If you can use all of said software, odds are you wont ever need to have your pc destroyed by Geek Squad.
As far as I'm concerned, they are now the Completely Nuts Broadcasting Corporation.
As far as I'm concerned, they are now the Completely Nuts Broadcasting Corporation.
They lost all credibility the moment they got Howard Dean on as a 'contributor'. Howard Dean - what the hell does he know about business - besides passing laws and regulations that bankrupt them?
Well since I run a Linux machine here is mine
Norton AV (crap anyways) - N/A
Multimedia Software - VLC, Free
Photoshop - I have Gimp and Inkscape - Free
Video Editing - Free (Not that I ever need it)
Music Software - Amarok, Banshee, Audacious, countless users
Geek Squad Visit - N/A (Gentoo's distro great support)
Well since I run a Linux machine here is mine
Norton AV (crap anyways) - N/A
Multimedia Software - VLC, Free
Photoshop - I have Gimp and Inkscape - Free
Video Editing - Free (Not that I ever need it)
Music Software - Amarok, Banshee, Audacious, countless users
Geek Squad Visit - N/A (Gentoo's distro great support)
all that software is also available for windows and even more...
and this people aren't fanboys, they're just smart
linux realy sucks and i should know, ive been using it for years and compared to windows well... id rather have to buy and antivirus for my machine than not been able to play the best ****ing games or run the latest 3d/2d software (being a developer and all ;D )
i used to dual boot ubuntu with windows xp pro but now i dual boot windows 7 and xp pro, till w7 is out of beta
as for macs, they suck too lol, i just don't care for their advertising tactics and over pricing of crap hardware
and this people aren't fanboys, they're just smart
linux realy sucks and i should know, ive been using it for years and compared to windows well... id rather have to buy and antivirus for my machine than not been able to play the best ****ing games or run the latest 3d/2d software (being a developer and all ;D )
i used to dual boot ubuntu with windows xp pro but now i dual boot windows 7 and xp pro, till w7 is out of beta
as for macs, they suck too lol, i just don't care for their advertising tactics and over pricing of crap hardware
Well the way I look at it is the only reason why I still have Windows on my machine is because of games. That is really basically the only reason why it still there. I admit Windows 7 is better than the others. But it's not enough to convince me to leave Gentoo for Windows again. I'll admit Ubuntu us garbage I even hate it. But there are alot of better distros than Ubuntu. And I hate the stupid EULA license that Windows uses. And the "omfg please pay $100000 bucks for our product!!!" why should I pay when there is a better free alternative than what you offer. $10000 for VS IDE yeah right when KDevelop4 actually gives me code completion that VS failed to get right ever since I can remember. Yeah little ****ed GCC isn't up to 4.4.0 on Windows
and this people aren't fanboys, they're just smart
linux realy sucks and i should know, ive been using it for years and compared to windows well... id rather have to buy and antivirus for my machine than not been able to play the best ****ing games or run the latest 3d/2d software (being a developer and all ;D )
i used to dual boot ubuntu with windows xp pro but now i dual boot windows 7 and xp pro, till w7 is out of beta
as for macs, they suck too lol, i just don't care for their advertising tactics and over pricing of crap hardware
Well the way I look at it is the only reason why I still have Windows on my machine is because of games. That is really basically the only reason why it still there. I admit Windows 7 is better than the others. But it's not enough to convince me to leave Gentoo for Windows again. I'll admit Ubuntu us garbage I even hate it. But there are alot of better distros than Ubuntu. And I hate the stupid EULA license that Windows uses. And the "omfg please pay $100000 bucks for our product!!!" why should I pay when there is a better free alternative than what you offer. $10000 for VS IDE yeah right when KDevelop4 actually gives me code completion that VS failed to get right ever since I can remember. Yeah little ****ed GCC isn't up to 4.4.0 on Windows
well i respect that, but you have to understand, that's not really dependent of windows, not everything can be free, people have to make a living after all.
and yes ubuntu does suck compared to other distros.
and this people aren't fanboys, they're just smart
linux realy sucks and i should know, ive been using it for years and compared to windows well... id rather have to buy and antivirus for my machine than not been able to play the best ****ing games or run the latest 3d/2d software (being a developer and all ;D )
i used to dual boot ubuntu with windows xp pro but now i dual boot windows 7 and xp pro, till w7 is out of beta
as for macs, they suck too lol, i just don't care for their advertising tactics and over pricing of crap hardware
Well the way I look at it is the only reason why I still have Windows on my machine is because of games. That is really basically the only reason why it still there. I admit Windows 7 is better than the others. But it's not enough to convince me to leave Gentoo for Windows again. I'll admit Ubuntu us garbage I even hate it. But there are alot of better distros than Ubuntu. And I hate the stupid EULA license that Windows uses. And the "omfg please pay $100000 bucks for our product!!!" why should I pay when there is a better free alternative than what you offer. $10000 for VS IDE yeah right when KDevelop4 actually gives me code completion that VS failed to get right ever since I can remember. Yeah little ****ed GCC isn't up to 4.4.0 on Windows
well i respect that, but you have to understand, that's not really dependent of windows, not everything can be free, people have to make a living after all.
and yes ubuntu does suck compared to other distros.
I understand but goddamn, what they expect you to be rich?
this article was a huge waste of time, stupid advertising machine (nbc universal).
Last edited by rm20010 on 22 Apr 2009 - 00:34
This is a waste of time, let's move on.
Norton AV (mega crap) - Avast! Home Edition (mega free)
Multimedia Software - WMP, iTunes (lol), Zune, VLC, WMC, QuickPlay (<--- meh) (all free)
Photoshop - Paint.NET (free)
Video Editing - There's always Windows Movie Maker (It'll get better with those Live Waves coming through)
Music Software - Audacity (free)
Geek Squad Visit - People actually go there? D: One of them recommended that I install Webroot Anti-Spyware and McAfee to "protect" my computer while using IE7. :faint:
Multimedia Software: $80-$104 [replace with, wait. what the f***? How is "multimedia different from photoshop, video editing, and music software?
Photoshop: $140 [replace with GIMP/Paint.net]
Video Editing: $100 [err.]
Music Software: $100 [It's called Windows Media Player 11/12 + http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?act=announce&f=12&id=11 Codec Pack
Geek Squad Visit: $129 [replace with common sense,
HEY GUYS. I HAVE A GREAT IDEA. LETS KEEP BUNDLING NORTON WITH ALL OUR PCS! IT"S A GREAT IDEA! <not.
I swear to god, Norton hardcoded a file transfer stop in their uninstallation process, because it always takes me anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes to uninstall it from a fresh stock computer.
Nortons REALY why would i pay 50 bucks to make my PC slower erm i wouldn't Avast home 4.8 is free
multimedia software cost me $zero dollars wmp + mpchc + wmm
photo/draw/manipulteing software erm another big fat zero dollars there to gimp/pain.net ( and free version of Xara xtreme full and free found on a pc mag dvd )
video editing erm another big fat nada i got sony vegas for free with my video card
music software erm also a big nuthin itunes is free wmp comes with windows
and evan when i first started out with a shiety old 286 + 1MB of 30pin SIP dram (notice i used SIP and not SIMM) i never paid anyone to fix it for me i rang a comp shop asked a few Q?'s and fixed it myself
This dude should be sued. Microsoft should sue the guy.
Apple's do NOT come with Photoshop built in for a start .... and what's that crap about the geek squad ? Mac's break too.
This video is FILLED with disgusting lies.
This video is nothing but pure blatant outright lies.
Putting together a decent PC is fairly cheap today -- putting together an Apple system from scratch isn't going to happen. The whining about Windows has increased proportionately to the number of people running the OS -- if Apple had more market share, they'd have more whining, though it might not ever get to Windows levels because Microsoft doesn't do indoctrination starting in the schools. I mean look how long people were totally happy believing the world was flat?
Mal-ware susceptibility is over-hyped, & also a function of Windows market share. Sure Windows has it's holes, but, it's also undeniably the bigger target, with the vast majority of *all* code being written for the dominant, vastly more common OS. Every time Microsoft builds in a feature that could be handled by a separate app, they get sued, with often the same folks who complain about what's missing from Windows at the front of the line on the courthouse steps! That said, there is some justification for Apple including features Windows leaves out -- there are vastly more coders writing those needed apps for Windows!
Finally Goldman might be shocked to learn that P/Shop costs a tad more than $140, & that there are loads of free & lower cost alternatives -- that there are plenty of free & lower cost A/V solutions available, & that includes Norton -- there really is no such thing as Multimedia Software -- that the local Geek Squad spends most of their time sitting on their hands. He might also be surprised to learn the number of Apple users running Bootcamp just so they can run pro-grade audio &/or video editing apps written just for Windows, or that there is indeed popular, commercial editing software to go far beyond the rudimentary features Apple builds into their OS pricing.
Then again I never turn to the Food Network for tips on how to tune my car. I wouldn't expect anyone looking to any financial show for advice on their PCs.
;?P
Commenting has either been disabled on this article or you are not logged in. Click here to login or register, its free!
Note: Anonymous commenting is disabled in order to keep the quality of responses to a high standard.