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Andrew Lyle   on 21 April 2009 - 15:57 · 62 comments & 9946 views

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Today Microsoft rolled out a new feature in Windows Live Hotmail, that allows contacts to sign in and use their Web Messenger directly from their Inbox.

The added feature allows contacts to sign in automatically when logging into their inbox, via both Firefox and Internet Explorer (does not work in Google Chrome). Users can sort through their contact list by groups and categories, as well as see display pictures and send emoticons.

This feature was originally available to France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, and the UK last month and is now available to Brazil, Canada, China, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, and the USA starting today.



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(3 replies) #1 Yorkshireman on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:17
Hmm, it's be available for about a month maybe[?]. Pretty good, not before time like. Better late than never, eh?
#1.1 Tom W on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:19
Not for everyone it hasn't
#1.2 andrewbares on 22 Apr 2009 - 00:22
Yea, I haven't had it for a month.
#1.3 Slugbait on 23 Apr 2009 - 05:10
I'm reading tons of comments saying "it's about time", etc. However, Web Messenger was integrated with Hotmail YEARS ago.

As an example:
3/22/07: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2106864,00.asp

12/4/04: http://news.techwhack.com/553-microsoft-integrated-services
"Even hotmail is now integrated with MSN Messenger. Hotmail shows a drop down with the online MSN Messenger contacts. Moreover, with integration with the MSN Web Messenger you can get in touch with messenger friends from hotmail directly without downloading the software itself."

I recall a bug about five or six years ago when logging into Hotmail automatically logged you out of the 32-bit client.

Am I missing something revolutionary here? It has to be revolutionary, because it seems like everybody is getting all excited, and I'm thinking this is some PR campaign for something that people apparently never discovered even before MSN rebranded to Windows Live...
(1 reply) #2 E.Fahd on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:28
It appeared today in my Live account. Unfortunately it's useless since there is no way to sort contacts by availability (I hope i'm wrong).
#2.1 zeke009 on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:43
E.Fahd said,
It appeared today in my Live account. Unfortunately it's useless since there is no way to sort contacts by availability (I hope i'm wrong).

Not that I have seen yet, hopefully it'll come soon.

One thing I do miss is the ability to message someone who has their status as "Appear Offline". If they message me I can't reply to them using the web messenger, I have to go back to the normal WLM client to message with that person.
(2 replies) #3 superkid on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:32
Its been there for ages.
#3.1 Tom W on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:39
Can you guys not read? "This feature was originally available to France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, and the UK last month and is now available to Brazil, Canada, China, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, and the USA starting today."
#3.2 Jugalator on 22 Apr 2009 - 09:31
Can you guys not read?

People are confused due to the leading text and title.
(7 replies) #4 lee26 on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:37
I've had it for 3 Months at least if not longer
#4.1 Tom W on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:39
Can you guys not read? "This feature was originally available to France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, and the UK last month and is now available to Brazil, Canada, China, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, and the USA starting today."
#4.2 lee26 on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:55
Yes I can read. The statement about it being available from last month in those countries mentioned is wrong which why I said I've had it for 3 months at least.
#4.3 +Kirkburn on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:32
lee26 said,
Yes I can read. The statement about it being available from last month in those countries mentioned is wrong which why I said I've had it for 3 months at least.

And which country are you in?
#4.4 tiagosilva29 on 21 Apr 2009 - 19:13
Tom W said,
Can you guys not read? "This feature was originally available to France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, and the UK last month and is now available to Brazil, Canada, China, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, and the USA starting today."


Spare me, ok?
News header: Messenger now available in Hotmail.
News body: Today Microsoft rolled out a new feature in Windows Live Hotmail, that allows contacts to sign in and use their Web Messenger directly from their Inbox.
News end: "This feature was originally available to France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, and the UK last month and is now available to Brazil, Canada, China, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, and the USA starting today."

New is the negation of old.
#4.5 lee26 on 21 Apr 2009 - 19:17
Kirkburn said,
And which country are you in?

UK
#4.6 Calum on 22 Apr 2009 - 03:34
lee26 said,
UK


I'm in the UK and it hasn't been working for me for 3 months. There were a lot of bugs with it's implementation on my account and it was even taken out for a time.

Now, this week, it is back on my account and is fully working for me.
#4.7 lee26 on 22 Apr 2009 - 10:06
I got the upgrade on my birthday on the 12th of January and it's been working just fine for me.
(7 replies) #5 cabron on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:50
like always Microsoft do, too late... as been built in Gmail for years.
#5.1 +James_478 on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:12
Not really late this is Live Messenger, much better than Gtalk, Gtalk sucks lol
#5.2 Glendi on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:25
cabron said,
like always Microsoft do, too late... as been built in Gmail for years.


GTalk just released video chatting LMFAO
#5.3 ozgeek on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:30
and Live Messenger had video chat for years :p
#5.4 tiagosilva29 on 21 Apr 2009 - 20:52
Glendi said,
GTalk just released video chatting LMFAO

It doesn't work on Linux, as far as I know.
#5.5 McDave on 21 Apr 2009 - 22:34
Tried to start using google talk but no one runs the client and almost everyone users Messenger. You can use msn form GTalk but its a pain to setup.

While Live does not include some of the advanced features of Google everything looks really nice and polished. Just got to get deltasync used on mobile phones, remove text ads on sent webmail.
#5.6 Quikboy on 22 Apr 2009 - 05:29
Glendi said,
GTalk just released video chatting LMFAO


http://videomessages.live.com/

It's been there for awhile...
#5.7 Shadow Dragon on 22 Apr 2009 - 19:39
Quikboy said,
http://videomessages.live.com/

It's been there for awhile...
That doesn't look like live video chatting, more like "video messages".
(4 replies) #6 t0628 on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:52
Haven't use Hotmail since GMail came out. GMail been having something similar to this on their webmail for awhile now. Why now MS?
#6.1 Grunt on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:19
t0628 said,
Haven't use Hotmail since GMail came out. GMail been having something similar to this on their webmail for awhile now. Why now MS?


Yes... cause microsoft ALWAYS release things on time.
#6.2 +Kirkburn on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:32
t0628 said,
Haven't use Hotmail since GMail came out. GMail been having something similar to this on their webmail for awhile now. Why now MS?

Because Messenger is not Gtalk?
#6.3 +dead.cell on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:39
Captain Obvious to the rescue. SWOOOOOSH!
#6.4 +Kirkburn on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:12
dead.cell said,
Captain Obvious to the rescue. SWOOOOOSH!

Hey now, it was valid To expand on it for the others...

Gmail was likely designed with it in mind. Hotmail wouldn't have been, and would have to support a far more well established (and likely more comple set of protocols.

Messenger in Hotmail would also likely be used a hell of a lot more, thus needs far more backend support.
#7 Soldiers33 on 21 Apr 2009 - 16:54
yh been using it for a month or 2 now. rly cool
(4 replies) #8 sambeckett on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:44
You still can't delete contacts on your block list.

I have a friend that died a few years back that I can't stop from showing up in my messenger.

Windows Live Messenger is a failure, as basic functionality has never been available.

Worst features ever, lets not allow people to remove people they don't like. This converts to people not liking the program because they can't remove the people they don't like.

#8.1 zeke009 on 21 Apr 2009 - 17:59
sambeckett said,
You still can't delete contacts on your block list.

I have a friend that died a few years back that I can't stop from showing up in my messenger.

Windows Live Messenger is a failure, as basic functionality has never been available.

Worst features ever, lets not allow people to remove people they don't like. This converts to people not liking the program because they can't remove the people they don't like.

Go to your contacts in Hotmail
Click on person you are referencing above
Click Edit at the top
5th field down should be Windows Live ID and underneath a checkbox to use in WLM.

Hope that helps you out.
#8.2 sambeckett on 22 Apr 2009 - 02:57
not really, my live ID is a yahoo email address so I don't have hotmail.


but even if I did, how would unchecking WLM remove them from my messenger block list?


can you try this for yourself before trying to give advice.

I have been trying to get people removed from my messenger for the last 9 years.

This is simply impossible to do in windows messenger.
#8.3 +xiphi on 22 Apr 2009 - 07:54
What's so hard about right clicking the user and clicking "Delete Contact"?
#8.4 sambeckett on 22 Apr 2009 - 21:47
xiphi said,
What's so hard about right clicking the user and clicking "Delete Contact"?


you can't if they don't remove you first.
(3 replies) #9 sibot on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:11
Wonderful move by Hotmail, they just keep getting better and better. Its about time they dropped the ads too.
#9.1 GP007 on 21 Apr 2009 - 19:24
Ads keep the program and services free though. Why drop something that gives them money and lets you use it for free?
#9.2 LiquidSolstice on 22 Apr 2009 - 02:11
*see: Google*
#9.3 sibot on 22 Apr 2009 - 08:16
GP007 said,
Ads keep the program and services free though. Why drop something that gives them money and lets you use it for free?

I do agree with you and ads on the main mailbox are alright/passable, but putting an ad at the bottom of every mail sent via your browser is too much. That's why I prefer to use Outlook Connector, it doesn't put the annoying ad at the bottom of the mail you send out.
(2 replies) #10 Rys on 21 Apr 2009 - 18:30
Mmmmmmm

Sometime it's benefit but I prefer windows live messenger program
#10.1 GP007 on 21 Apr 2009 - 19:25
Well this is for when you're not at your computer and don't have WLM installed, you can now use it through a browser on the go at any PC.
#10.2 sibot on 22 Apr 2009 - 08:17
Yeah, but this move is to bring you messenger when you're out somewhere, at a friend's place, cyber cafe, etc.
(1 reply) #11 Owenw on 21 Apr 2009 - 19:37
Aaargh, we always miss out on this stuff for ages in NZ
#11.1 sibot on 22 Apr 2009 - 08:18
I really hate how they only release the features to set countries, living in India means getting the features months later. One easy way of beating this system is to change your location. I've got mine set to Australia.
(1 reply) #12 gazebee_ on 21 Apr 2009 - 19:53
I dont see it yet. I want IMAP!
#12.1 sibot on 22 Apr 2009 - 08:19
+1 and I don't want to buy the premium membership for that!
Gmail/GMX both give IMAP for free.
#13 +dave164 on 21 Apr 2009 - 20:33
I want IMAP to. Having POP on my iPhone is annoying having to delete the same message twice xD
(4 replies) #14 ZekeComa on 21 Apr 2009 - 23:15
Now they are copying off Yahoo? Yahoo had this before Microsoft V_V. Sad that Microsoft loves copying off other people
#14.1 LiquidSolstice on 22 Apr 2009 - 02:10
Total fail.

I love these "oh, they copied these people, they've been doing it for years" statements.

First off, the concept of integrating chat with the email web interface is not patented by Yahoo, nor is it some revolutionary feature that makes an email service stand out. Microsoft is just following a trend, and modernizing their services, in case you've been reading to see what they've started to offer.

Sad that every time someone sees a new feature in an operating system, they immediately associate that anyone else who does remotely the same. By that standard, I could just yell in your face that Ubuntu copied Apple and Microsoft in their GUI interface.

See, there's people who like Microsoft, people who love Microsoft, and then there's people like you, who love to hate Microsoft.
#14.2 Chris-Gonzales on 22 Apr 2009 - 17:54
ZekeComa said,
Now they are copying off Yahoo? Yahoo had this before Microsoft V_V. Sad that Microsoft loves copying off other people


If you want to play that game, then Microsoft had this feature before yahoo. Though it wasn't part of mail. Who gives a rats ass if a compney copies another.
#14.3 Chris-Gonzales on 22 Apr 2009 - 17:55
LiquidSolstice said,
Total fail.

I love these "oh, they copied these people, they've been doing it for years" statements.

First off, the concept of integrating chat with the email web interface is not patented by Yahoo, nor is it some revolutionary feature that makes an email service stand out. Microsoft is just following a trend, and modernizing their services, in case you've been reading to see what they've started to offer.

Sad that every time someone sees a new feature in an operating system, they immediately associate that anyone else who does remotely the same. By that standard, I could just yell in your face that Ubuntu copied Apple and Microsoft in their GUI interface.

See, there's people who like Microsoft, people who love Microsoft, and then there's people like you, who love to hate Microsoft.


Agreed
#14.4 babyHacker on 22 Apr 2009 - 20:25
As a matter of fact, they did not copy Gmail or Yahoo. Their implementations actually work like what you would expect. Sure others see you pop up on their messenger as online but I have no idea what MS was thinking. You press view your contacts and then it shows you every contact in your address book, and NOT just your messenger contacts. Further, the contacts are not arranged by status so that people online could be on page 5 and whether the contacts are on or offline is not easily discernable.

I really wish they had copies someone who used common sense.
(2 replies) #15 LiquidSolstice on 22 Apr 2009 - 02:05
WLM is possibly the most horribly flawed failure of a messenging protocol. I've had more drops, more inconsistencies, more timeouts, and more issues with it than AIM, GTALK, and ICQ combined.

This is totally lame and unneeded news. You'd all be using Gtalk if it CAME built-in to XP/Vista/7, that's the only reason you use it, because it's the same story with everyone else, and no one wants to switch to something new.
#15.1 Quikboy on 22 Apr 2009 - 05:33
Are you joking? AIM is the worst crap I've ever had to dealt with on my system. The program is buggy, there's a lot of ads, and it's not the least bit feature-packed as WLM.

Yahoo! Messenger is just barely better than that, and even then, WLM had more features before that.

I haven't really used Gtalk (nobody I know uses it a lot) or ICQ.

Also, I prefer avoiding Google when I can, because that company is notorious for using people's information in ways that can be quite creepy.
#15.2 Chris-Gonzales on 22 Apr 2009 - 17:56
Windows Live Messenger is by far the best im client out there (besides those multiple ones like Pal Talk and Aduim)
(1 reply) #16 Calum on 22 Apr 2009 - 03:38
This is nice, but I won't use it much.

What I'd like in Hotmail is support for dynamic themes - something which just about every other Windows Live service has. A new favicon would also be much better like Spaces has, but the Windows Live Hotmail logo.

It is actually ridiculous that this has been overlooked by the Windows Live Team.
#16.1 sibot on 22 Apr 2009 - 08:21
I think they have to keep in mind the countries where the internet speeds are not so good and ofcourse places in the world where people still rely on Dial Up connections.

Correct me if I'm missing the point here, but doesn't dynamic themes mean more b/w required?
(1 reply) #17 [DGS] on 22 Apr 2009 - 12:40
So if I have already my Live messenger logged in at work in "Appear Offline" mode and check my emails at home on my lunch break, will it log in to web messenger as "Available" ?
#17.1 sibot on 22 Apr 2009 - 16:22
Nope, it doesn't work out that way. In order to log in from multiple places, you need to make sure that everywhere you log on from is through WLM 2009, otherwise you can't log in from multiple places. So as soon as you logon from the Web messenger, you'll be logged off from your work computer (WLM 2009).

As for your query, you will be logged in as "Available", unless there is an option to pre-set your status to "Appear Offline" on the web messenger.
#18 ec4912 on 23 Apr 2009 - 16:49
Doesn't work for me. As soon as someone tries to send me a message, I get logged out. So as long as no one talks to me, I'm good. :-/
#19 g8crash3r on 24 Apr 2009 - 05:14
I've tried it and then I got Spam within 5 minutes...

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