Computer hackers have once again infiltrated the Pentagon's computer system and this time may have gotten away with some valuable data. The government and the Wall Street Journal are both pointing fingers at China but the Chinese have denied the accusations.The hackers were able to get away with stealing several terabytes of data all without being detected. The data stolen relates to the joint strike fighter F-35 which is the most costly project in Pentagon's history.
If there is some good news out of this it's that the most sensitive data about the project is stored on non-networked computers which remained safe during the attack.
This is the second successful attack on government computers during the past few weeks. It seems that if you're an IT security professional the government may need your help or it may also take applications from teenagers who are bored on the weekend too.
Why isn't all the data on non-networked machines, its all sensitive not just parts of it.
Now, I understand what you're trying to say, but I believe the spirit of MadCap's comment was regarding data sensitive enough to entice a foreign government into attempting to covertly steal it.
Truth be told any information is better than no information. If they wanted info on the F-35 they could:
A - Send somebody in to physically access the non-networked computers.
B - Steal a crap ton of non-class data over the internet and analyze it.*
A is very difficult to pull off and costly.
B is a hell of a lot easier.
*You can derive some classified information if you have enough non-class data. Of course this is highly dependent upon the nature of the information. Or at the very least have an educated guess at what it is.
All the more reason to only keep their public website online, and everything else even remotely sensitive (take for example all of the JSF stuff stolen) off-line and keep it in a secure network, isolated from the internet.
There isn't a need to spend billions on security, when all you can do is unplug a cable. Yes, I realise it's more complicated than that, but it's a simple concept, no?
But still nothing good can be said about government computer hacking...
But, of course, if you are able to hack the pentagon, then you want to rush it and download as fast as you can because you don't known when you will be detected. So yes, even a stupid IT admin will be able to detect such amount of information is getting uploaded, in fact is hard to think how the manage to download a terabyte, even in a dedicate connection, its can took a lot of day to download it at risk to saturate the connection.
Or, you know, someone actually just hacked into the system...
The reason for this is to sort of "impress" the audience, as reality would probably bore the public.
The reason for this is to sort of "impress" the audience, as reality would probably bore the public.
I kind of agree.
It may have been the Chinese that took the data...
But why weren't the computers and data properly secured?
It may have been the Chinese that took the data...
But why weren't the computers and data properly secured?
I agree to that. Instead of blaming someone, why not just worry enough to secure all the sensitive data?
It may have been the Chinese that took the data...
But why weren't the computers and data properly secured?
I agree to that. Instead of blaming someone, why not just worry enough to secure all the sensitive data?
because its the government. After seeing the kind of lazyness that goes on in the government it doesn't suprise me at all that this can happen (speaking from what i see of the canadian government, but i dont see why the states would be that much different...)
That's a few thousand gigabytes. How can anyone lose that much data :|
If it took years to accumulate, that's still a heck of a lot each day going out. If it was done quickly, then how? Who's got that sort of bandwidth to throw around?
(Insert your best conspiracy theories here!)
You guys above are right. Someone's gonna get their butt kicked over this one. You don't "not notice" that much data walking out the door!
I seriously doubt that. They'll just receive one of those "other" bail outs! This will probably be the last you ever hear of this already.
Government networks should have internet connections where possible, it should be offline, would be way harder to get such information then.
they need Jack Bauer
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Chloe Kardasian?
Well they likely have a list of IP addresses that accessed the network and data, probably of which were IP ranges that originated from China..
Still not accurate though as anyone especially hackers that seek out sensitive information tend to cloak their real IP addresses through proxies.
The TU-144 Supersonic Transport was designed using stolen (hacked) documents. To see the results Google TU-144!
A third theory relates to deliberate misinformation on the part of the Anglo-French team. The main thrust of this theory was that the Anglo-French team knew that the Soviet team were planning to steal the design plans of Concorde, and the Soviets were allegedly passed false blueprints with a flawed design. The case, it is claimed, contributed to the imprisonment by the Soviets of Greville Wynne in 1963 for spying[5][6]. Wynne was imprisoned on 11 May 1963 and the development of the Tu-144 was not sanctioned until 16 July. In any case, it seems unlikely that a man imprisoned in 1963 could have caused a crash in 1973.
to Compare say you have 260gigs of data at home that works about to 1636 kb of data or about a floppy of data lost.
Tell me you will easily tell that you lost 1 floppy from the 260 gigs unless you were specificaly looking for it. And in this case it wasn't a data missing but copied. Tell me you will notice that?
What you also do not know is how much data was real and how much was fake or honeypot data.
Also what most people don't realize "Sensitive" but Unclassified is probably 90% of the data on the Unclassified network. Secret and Compartmentalized data is stored elsewhere and is guarded differently.
I personally have about 6 terrabytes of storage at home across all my devices.
still embarrassing though to have publicly been exposed as having 'mis-placed' it...!
These and other questions!
These and other questions!
Because you can siphon it off slowly or it can be siphoned off from a compromised account.
We should hope not to be ruled by anyone, or at the very least, not with laws that don't make sense, overstep their boundaries, or take our so called "rights" away. (rights cannot be taken away, what we have are privileges)
True freedom is akin to anarchy where, in some parts of the world, other systems of government operate a lot closer to that kind of model.
Secondly, of course they're gonna blame the Chinese. That's how the game is played. Let me spell it out for you:
Actual situation -> Who to blame.
Nothing happened, this is all a FUD campaign -> Blame China.
Pentagon got hacked, don't know who did it > Blame China.
Pentagon got hacked, by rouge US agents. -> Blame China.
Pentagon got hacked, by organized crime syndicate -> Blame China.
Pentagon got hacked, by country OTHER THAN CHINA - Blame China.
Pentagon got hacked, and we know China was behind it -> Blame China.
I'm not ready for another war...
This
I lol'd
ALL HAIL MEGATRON
GRANTED ... take a f35 while at it ... have fun
a) the hackers transferred the data VERY slowly so no one noticed the loss of bandwidth on the upload, I would think this could take weeks, months, or even years to transfer several terabytes, depending on the speed used, and we are to believe the hackers infiltrated the system for this amount of time unnoticed
b) the hackers transferred the data at high speed, and no one monitors the bandwidth usage at the pentagon, or no one noticed the bandwidth being sucked up
I find this completely unbelievable, have you guys not seen the latest cyber security bill they are trying to push? That is likely the purpose of this, they are trying to scare the people into supporting the bill and therefore give them more control of the internet. Too bad all we have in the USA is "parrot what the goverment says" journalism rather than investigative journalism.
Die Hard 4 anyone?
Why bother you know the password is still going to be PE-NT-AG-ON
Ah so finally, thats the difference between The DS and the DSi, I always wondered.
Actually, I think it's still "password." Word is they went back to that after too many staff were getting locked out after messing up PE-NT-AG-ON three times in a row.
Exactly why isn't our US Gov on some Gigantic LAN. Just like why is our Power Grid on the internet!!!!!.
ARPANET ARPANET ARPANET ARPANET
that pretty much says it all.
Most likely all the good stuff is filed away in boxes ...
In the old days they wrote their reports with paper and pens ....
Or Obamas Real Birth Certificate. OR Jimmy Hoffa or...
(I wish i were a pilot lol)
The people that did this are sticking out like a sore thumb at a pinky convention.
u can never fully trust the press because they always twist the info to catch the attention of viewings to up there ratings and never on time with anything.
for instant when the released the info on the Russian sub in u.s waters i knew 3 weeks prairie from an inside sores at the mayport navel station in fl
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