It goes to show that no company is truly recession proof. Microsoft is reporting that sales have fallen for the first time in 23 years. According to numbers released by Microsoft sales have fallen 6% year over year.What can be cited for the drop in MS sales? Apparently netbooks are one of the major contributing factors. Consumers are buying cheaper products during these hard times and there are many netbooks that sell with a Linux flavor installed as opposed to Windows variants.
Blame can also be attributed to Vista's poor demeanor in the market place as consumers continue to look negatively at the operating system. Consumers are also probably holding out too for the much anticipated Windows 7 that is receiving great praise for its improvements over Vista.
At the end of the day Microsoft will still continue on, while not the best quarter for the company, they will rebound and remain a strong competitor in the market place for decades to come.
Not me.
Not me either, I'm actually reverting back to Windows 3.1.
Nothing against Windows Vista really. It's just, by the time I got a new computer, 7 was / is just around the corner so...
After the vista debacle it's likely most will take a wait and see approach. The persons giving the beta glowing reviews are mostly fanboi's and as such should be treated with many grains of salt.
Lets hope MS make the same mess with windows 7 so Linux has a chance to flourish in the netbook market.
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Lets hope MS make the same mess with windows 7 so Linux has a chance to flourish in the netbook market.
Lol, Linux will never flourish in the desktop, laptop or netbook market. People would just keep holding on to XP rather than downgrade their applications. IT admins wouldn't want to administrate a Linux network either. It's much more time consuming to admin Linux desktops than it is to admin Windows desktops.
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Yes. Because the only way Linux can flourish is if it has no other competition. That's why you want Windows to fail, right? Because you believe, deep down, that Linux can't win on its own merits.
Oh oh, or you think it has merit enough, but it can't win because The Man is keeping it down. Nevermind that Apple, also allegedly oppressed by The Man, still manages to make a bigger dent on the home market than Linux.
/complaining about Linux vs Windows is like complaining about computer monitors vs TV sets--their functions might be getting closer and closer, but they're still two completely different markets
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Yes, it came out strong, but Microsoft's $15 pricing to push XP was successful for them.
Still I see no reason to paint a significant marketshare as "failure".
Must be a Redmond Distortion Field, too.
ROFL! Great comment.
Yes, it came out strong, but Microsoft's $15 pricing to push XP was successful for them.
Still I see no reason to paint a significant marketshare as "failure".
Must be a Redmond Distortion Field, too.
10% marketshare on what? Netbooks? If so, yeah, I'd call 10% down from 23% last year a roaring success. Who's living in a distortion field, again?
For Linux to have a 10% market on any client computing device is significant.
And it does even better in embedded and servers.
And it does even better in embedded and servers.
Dropping 13% in just over a year is just as significant.
The market is much larger now, and thus that 10% represents many more machines. Naturally windows will gain a big share because of its familiarity to users. Can you imagine a 10% market share in traditional laptops? Well netbooks will exceed and supplant that market soon enough.
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Um...you're confused. In less than a year, they've dropped over half their marketshare in the netbook arena, and that will further plummet once Win7 is released. Pretty sad when you can't even give away a product, and people refuse to buy it, even when it's cheaper, during a recession.
If you think going from 23% to 10% in less than a year is a "huge win", I have some Cubs 2009 World Series tickets I'd like to sell you. Cheap.
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Yea, guess all those false statements they let out had nothing to do with them making a profit...not to mention their fanboy reporters that will repeat whatever they tell them.
A gigantic chunk of Microsoft's sales are in the corporate world. I wonder how many of them see new PCs as a luxury expense right now.
Exactly. We were going to replace 350 systems this year but have put that on hold. The company I work for is kinda small but I know people at larger companies doing the same thing.
Apple is geared towards the college students who want to keep in the "cool" looking trend. They buy Macs with student loans or grants...so they have the money to buy them.
Yet, and this got little news, Apple fired 1,600 workers in it's stores which have seen profits down. mac sales are down, iPods are still the only thing holding it up, iPhones are selling less and less with every new quarter since their high back in Q4 of last year.
Sure, Apple posted good numbers this time, but will it hold? If things don't turn around anytime soon even Apple will see a bigger hit to it's numbers next time.
Huh? Apple's computer sales were down. Less computers sold, less Macs. Less computers sold, less Windows.
If anyone knows some of these affluent students get them to PM me cause im selling my iMac...
NO-ONE wants it for a measly €700 (half new price) and its only about 8 months old
Most of the People don have to upgrade their hardware caz they already have at least 1GB Ram, 128MB agp, 2GHZ processor. So...upgrading to Windows won't be big fact but yea i don't completely ignore your words.
Specially when it comes to Win7, the above specs are good enough to run it very smooth imo. And on the other end, RAM is so cheap, so upgrading just that to 2GB or more is nothing big today.
Perhaps the fact they make better hardware / software is a factor? I know the truth is often hard to swallow, but this is reality.
Apple makes amusing adverts, and for the most part they are true.
Apple makes amusing adverts, and for the most part they are true.
Maybe a reality for you. Unfortunately, the rest of the world doesn't seem to share your delusion.
Apple makes amusing adverts, and for the most part they are true.
Apple doesn't make computer hardware. They're an assembly line.
Apple makes amusing adverts, and for the most part they are true.
Better hardware and software? Hahahaaaaa, thanks for the laugh. The fact that they are more expensive doesnt make them better. Plus, most of Apples hardware is available on the PCs as well. The difference? Pricing. And yes, like someone else said..Apple doesnt make any hardware...another false comment from you.
Apple makes adverts that BASH the competition and that is the only way they can get ahead. They have F'tards like Jim Goldman reporting FALSE information to get ahead. Their whole marketing campaign is working because people will believe anything the media tells them...period. And dont get me started on their "innovations" most of which were already thought of before.
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You mean, everyone except Red Hat?
Yes, abusing a monopoly can work wonders for the suppression of competition.
So can having mediocre, directionless competition.
Yes, and abusing regulation can do an amazing job of slowing innovation to a crawl.
boohoo...just because no one else can top MS is nothing to cry about. 23 years is impressive period...If Apple had that big of a streak, then i would say the same thing.
good point...lol at offroadaaron
The bum ad wasn't real. It was done by some clueless Apple tools. Sorta like...you. You fall off your four-wheeler and hit your head or something?
If a consumer prefers an expensive iPhone, there's not as much in the pocket left to upgrade to Vista. There's a competition for money, a limited resource, going on here.
Don't let the Apple spin make it seem that they're doing great while everyone else is all down in the dumps.
Nothing to do with ME edition pars secunda aka vista then?
Are you LTD in disguise?
You really are clueless...its sad
[sarcasm]I thought the bum ad was made by MS, wow this is a shock to me [/sarcasm]
And apple only posted a loss so people start buying more of there stuff, its all a scam
[sarcasm]I thought the bum ad was made by MS, wow this is a shock to me [/sarcasm]
And apple only posted a loss so people start buying more of there stuff, its all a scam
Yeah, Apple seem to excel at pulling off a good scam. Good point.
[sarcasm]I thought the bum ad was made by MS, wow this is a shock to me [/sarcasm]
And apple only posted a loss so people start buying more of there stuff, its all a scam
Yeah, Apple seem to excel at pulling off a good scam. Good point.
you go, Save MS for the team..... I can hear a flock of sheep to the left of me, you should go join your friends
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[sarcasm]I thought the bum ad was made by MS, wow this is a shock to me [/sarcasm]
And apple only posted a loss so people start buying more of there stuff, its all a scam
Yeah, Apple seem to excel at pulling off a good scam. Good point.
Apple = no scam
MS = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
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Probably a mixture of reasons. Vista and competition from Macs / Linux netbooks being the primary reasons. No doubt the patent troll will be suing more Linux based products in the future.
Absolutely fantastic job ignoring the posts about how slow sales are due to businesses tightening their budgets, and the part where Mac sales are down.
/apple's suing palm what now?
Patent troll? another funny from you. Apple is a patent troll as well and they even lost a patent lawsuit.
Apple fined $19m in 'Predictive Snooping' case
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/04/24/apple_opti_ruling/
Again, get a clue dude
Microsoft is still one the only five tripple A (AAA) corporates left in the US, and I am afraid Apple is not on that list.
Microsoft
Johnson & Johnson
Exxon Mobil
Pfizer
Automatic Data Processing
Microsoft is still one the only five tripple A (AAA) corporates left in the US, and I am afraid Apple is not on that list.
Microsoft
Johnson & Johnson
Exxon Mobil
Pfizer
Automatic Data Processing
MS bullies competitors with it's OS monopoly, while Apple and Linux innovate. I know who would get my bet for future prosperity.
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Microsoft is still one the only five tripple A (AAA) corporates left in the US, and I am afraid Apple is not on that list.
Microsoft
Johnson & Johnson
Exxon Mobil
Pfizer
Automatic Data Processing
MS bullies competitors with it's OS monopoly, while Apple and Linux innovate. I know who would get my bet for future prosperity.
Uhh Microsoft? That's like saying Exxon depleates natural resources and wind is the way to go for everything, so lets invest in wind!... jus because it sounds good, doesn't mean it will make money anytime soon
Last edited by rm20010 on 25 Apr 2009 - 21:15
Microsoft is still one the only five tripple A (AAA) corporates left in the US, and I am afraid Apple is not on that list.
Microsoft
Johnson & Johnson
Exxon Mobil
Pfizer
Automatic Data Processing
MS bullies competitors with it's OS monopoly, while Apple and Linux innovate. I know who would get my bet for future prosperity.
Linux innovates? Really? It's good and solid...but innovative? Linux, right? The one that tries to appeal to the home user by keeping Gnome as old-school Mac OS as possible, and keeping KDE a blurry photocopy of the latest version of Windows?
Last edited by rm20010 on 25 Apr 2009 - 21:15
Microsoft is still one the only five tripple A (AAA) corporates left in the US, and I am afraid Apple is not on that list.
Microsoft
Johnson & Johnson
Exxon Mobil
Pfizer
Automatic Data Processing
MS bullies competitors with it's OS monopoly, while Apple and Linux innovate. I know who would get my bet for future prosperity.
Yea, big bullies and Apple is REALLY innovative. No video recording on the iPhone..no copy/paste...and a lot of other stuff. And MS doesnt force anyone to buy their OS. Their products are good, why people buy them. And at the time when MS was starting, there were no one to compete with them so EVERYONE BOUGHT MS PRODUCTS. Why do you think they are the standard for most companies/users?
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Didn't this global hyper-valuation teach you anything
wow phd on burgers.
Heh not really just happend to know this example of Mcdonalds being affected just like Achal wanted to know
Uh good for you? whats that have to do with money?
They are getting absolutely enormous.
and apple stock is down pretty good today
Finally people are getting it - Microsoft is crap.
Finally people are getting it - Microsoft is crap.
People are buying less of EVERYTHING... has NOTHING to do with MS... even TV makers, PC (I include Apple in this because its a personal computer) makers and other tech companies are dropping overall
Finally people are getting it - Microsoft is crap.
Wow, all you can do is bash MS and then provide no valid information? Its not that MS is crap...EVERYONE is having issues with the economy. Get a clue....
Because the decline is LESS then what was expected, which in stock world means thats a good thing
What he normally does. Give it to charity.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/04/24/apple_opti_ruling/
Apple slices retail staff as sales slide
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/04/2...e_retail_staff/
Hang on a second... That's not journalism in any sense.
You don't know that MS will rebound and remain a strong competitor for years to come. Yes, I agree that it's likely, but you have written it as though it's undisputable fact, based on some divine journalistic source laid out before you. It was a great article until you added that - then it just smacked of wistful childishness.
You don't know that MS will rebound and remain a strong competitor for years to come. Yes, I agree that it's likely, but you have written it as though it's undisputable fact, based on some divine journalistic source laid out before you. It was a great article until you added that - then it just smacked of wistful childishness.
True, it's more prophetic than journalistic.
I haven't yet met one 'average Joe' user who would save on the OS (Windows). CPU - yes, RAM - yes, HDD - yes. But switch on his laptop and be greeted by the evil Penguin with no idea how to even login? Never.
"Blame can also be attributed to Vista's poor demeanor in the market place as consumers continue to look negatively at the operating system." Based on my humble experience, there's no real negativism amongst the 'average Joes' I know. The top reason they aren't switching to Vista is that they run XP and are perfectly fine with it. Those who are purchasing a new computer have heard or have been told they need to invest more in hardware in order to get good performance, and since they have years of experience with XP they just say 'no, thanks'. All people I've known to be prejudiced against Vista are now running Vista and are really happy with it. There's also a real minority which have been scared off, based only the usability changes which made them think they would need to learn a new OS. My $0.02.
Ultimately, Microsoft's products guide the market forward to a great extent -- both software and hardware, so if they do poorly it's bad for all of us.
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