Viviane Reding, Information Society Commissioner of the European Union, is calling for the United States to hand over control of ICANN (Internet Corporation For Assigned Names and Numbers). She said that the organization running ICANN needs be one free of control by one single nation but controlled by a private entity and governed by multiple nations.
News source: Tech Fragments
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That made me lol, but I agree.
The internet is global. The organisation that decides how the internet is run should also be managed globally.
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Indeed!
EU, ME and Asian countries would love control of ICANN, use it to further their censorship of the web.
Don't talk drivel. How does the request "not just the US" become "only the EU" in your eyes? Quit being so sensationalist and propagating the myth that the world revolves around the US.
Speaking of drivel, cybershark.... thats the whole point of an international body to control the internet. No one country would be permitted to use their position to further the agenda of their own government.
I agree. Hell NO!
U.S. started the internet so the home of ICANN is right where it should be.
Maybe, if you weren't so "know all" you would be aware of what the EU is trying to include under hate speech laws.
U.S. started the internet so the home of ICANN is right where it should be.
Wrong, the internet was invented by the British, Tim Burns.
U.S. started the internet so the home of ICANN is right where it should be.
Wrong, the internet was invented by the British, Tim Burns.
Dude you didn't even get the name right. Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. Which runs over the Internet which was created by the US Government's Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA). The Internet was originally known as the ARPANET. At least get your facts straight before you tell someone they're wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWW
Unless they funds to run it come soley from the member governments, but it will be a wide spread debate as to who those countries should be and how much should they contribute and etc...
If she's happy with the current work of the US government, as she said she is, then she shouldn't be rushing for a change in policy, but asking for an open discussion as to how to improve the organization long-term.
Agreed. The United States shouldn't have sole control over what new top level domains the internet supports, amongst other issues.
I remember companies having to pay $100 a year to keep a domain registered that you can now get from GoDaddy,(etc) for less than $10.
Prices will certainly rise if this happens faster than leaving it as is.
100% agreed.
I think that it is a good thing that the EU acts as a an equal to the US. The US is not the leading nation of our planet, and because the internet is a global thing, it should be governed by at least every nation or organisation with the same economic power and stability. The EU is now at the moment more stable than the US, but never mind that for a moment.
Saying the EU is trying to control the world is hypocritical (no offence), as the US being the only one with control is one nation controlling the world. If control were to be by the US, EU, China, Japan and Australia etc, only then there wouldn't be one country or a few countries seeking control over the world.
Conclusion: good thing
Nobody is advocating the EU taking ICANN over from the US. Nothing even remotely like that is being proposed.
Nobody is advocating the EU taking ICANN over from the US. Nothing even remotely like that is being proposed.
It's not hypocrisy. I just don't see the need for the EU to get involved with something the US invented. How about Europe make something techie that the world wants? They could keep control then, right? CPUs, GPUs, hard drives, operating systems... Europe has nothing to offer.
Saying the EU is trying to control the world is hypocritical (no offence), as the US being the only one with control is one nation controlling the world. If control were to be by the US, EU, China, Japan and Australia etc, only then there wouldn't be one country or a few countries seeking control over the world.
Conclusion: good thing
The EU is *trying* to act as a counterweight to the US; however, their taking opposing positions simply *because* they are opposing simply makes the positions of the US look all the better. The EU position is akin to that of the GOP in the US - opposition for the sake of opposition simply looks bad.
Conclusion: bad thing.
So yeah, leave ICANN in the US, since it is being properly managed, and if the EU doesnt like, go and create your own system.
And since when does the EU have their own GPS system? I know Russia is trying to send some satelites to create their own GPS system, but i dont believe is up and running yet (again, i dont have my facts straight on this one).
The european system is called Galileo if i remember correctly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_positioning_system) and is still under construction, however a number of the Galileo satellites are orbiting earth!
However this is the first i've heard of the Russians building one.
The Galileo system obviously doesn't work because it won't be finished until 2013, but when it is finished it will be more accurate than the US GPS system.
Like it or not, the vast majority of the infrastructure that makes the current version of the Internet was not created by the US. Maybe the rest of the world should just just take over control of the root servers outside of the US (I assume there are some in places other than the US) and hiijack the net. I'm sure the rest of us would do just fine being cut of from the USA's private intranet. This is just a dramatisation, but you get the point
So yeah, leave ICANN in the US, since it is being properly managed, and if the EU doesnt like, go and create your own system.
And since when does the EU have their own GPS system? I know Russia is trying to send some satelites to create their own GPS system, but i dont believe is up and running yet (again, i dont have my facts straight on this one).
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Yeah, let's ask the fairies in the forest to take care of it.
The U.S. GPS System would have been disturbed by the European one,
being outdated, or just not constructed with enough foresight.
It seems we're still trying, without luck, to leave the dark ages, and the imperialistic thinking.
No wonder that an organizations like the U.N. can't function properly.
What is that with the phobia from the E.U., is the E.U. the new Soviet Russia?
-Spenser
WE'RE NOT IN EUROPE!!! We don't need the EU involved in our lives.
But in all honesty what has the EU done to you ever? and what way do you think them having "some" influence in ICANN would affect your life?
- If you can't provide an answer to that, then them having an influence in ICANN does not have an effect on your life, and so does not matter.
Oh and the fact Americans seem to think they don't need anyone else's help just amazes me, they are probably the same people who cry for help when something goes wrong - just to name two recent major events include Katrina and 9/11. I've also spoken to some Americans who didn't even realise other countries supplied military aid when America ran into Iraq.
If you don't want ANY interfering that may cause some negative issue, then America as a nation please stop trying to reap positives globally - and also stop interfering with the rest of the world as you do.
If you wish to have two worlds (America and the rest), then why not become isolated. The rest of the world between them certainly needs America less than America needs the rest of the world.
Oh just to make it clear - I am not anti-American.
Maybe the US is just concerned that their GDP is now lower than the EU. Whether you like it or not, yes the EU now interfere whether you like it or now - just like the US have done for years.
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The "interfering EU" gives over twice as much per person of their collective GNP than the US. I would say the "interfering US" should readdress what they really interfere with before they criticise other "interfering groups"
WE'RE NOT IN EUROPE!!! We don't need the EU involved in our lives.
Dan Quayle would disagree with you:
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
WE'RE NOT IN EUROPE!!! We don't need the EU involved in our lives.
Dan Quayle would disagree with you:
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
NATO is not the EU.
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Also America is a vast place and my travels have found varying levels of ignorance. Going to the US several times means nothing in reading the US, try diversifying across America and in other parts, or maybe explore more localised things first, I bet there are local places that can be uncovered you would be unaware of, but make up considerable population fragments.
For example I can say here in the EU I don't know anyone who hasn't used a PC, but there is a huge population sector that I don't communicate with much that are probably the most likely sector not to use them (the elderly), that does not mean they are fictitious or non existent.
Online you are confronted with all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds. And generally opinionated people are "extreme" in opinion (which is often a good thing - having morals you believe in presuming you dont force them on others).
Having discussions about differences, and prompting questioning, globally many differences arise due to inherited/taught ideas.
Many ideas/theories the further they are explored and discussed the more widespread they become accepted and the less they are disputed. One example is Darwinism against Creationism.
Anyway im dragging on now.
And besides, if the EU doesn't like the current arrangement they can always start their own internet.
Go make your own internet....are you 12?
Grow up. Im not anti American, not anti EU, no anti-China or anything for that matter, but I do think input from other countries and delegation of power/control should be a global thing as the internet is global, not because "some" American or whoever invented it.
In the end we will be all owned for profit........This to be true..........
Also how is ICANN to be governed by multiple countries. Should countries get an equal vote into matters such as regulations. So a country like China would hold the same weight as the country of say Nigeria? Or should population of users be considered into that weight. In that case if China were to say forbid sites sympathetical to Tibetan causes. Would this be fair?
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