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Computational knowledge engines: the search engine, evolved

Mitchell LeBlanc   on 18 May 2009 - 16:17 · 30 comments & 5036 views

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A new search engine, known as Wolfram|Alpha has launched. It may be improper to refer to it as a search engine, as it refers to itself as a "computational knowledge engine".

The engine differs from a traditional search engine in that the goal of the engine is not only to make information accessible, but in the case of WolframAlpha, immediately computable.

To perhaps give a better explanation of what WolframAlpha is, let us walk through an average searching scenario. I stumble on the website, and in the search field I decide to type my city's name, Toronto.

If the website stumbled upon were Google, one would now have access to several pages referring to Toronto. If the engine stumbled upon was WolframAlpha, one would have immediate access to the populations (both overall and that of the metro core), local time, location in coordinates, satellite imagery, etc.

Now let's assume that one wanted to search for a specific date, such as a birthday. On Google, type the date and see a list of related pages and perhaps even some news articles, if the date is significant. On WolframAlpha, type the date and be presented with the date displayed in different formats, a time difference of the present moment to the entered date, a breakdown of which day and week the date landed upon within the year that was searched, any worldwide observances that fall on that day, notable events in history, sunrise and sunset information, and even information on the phase of the moon on that date.

The engine also does number crunching! WolframAlpha boasts the ability to compute ANY numerical problem.

Surely, this engine with all of its power still cannot compute the meaning of life, right? Wrong. It can, and lo and behold, the answer is still 42.


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(1 reply) #1 Antaris on 18 May 2009 - 19:41
I've been playing around with it for a while today, and so far, having been loving it. Got lots of respect for the devs, this platform is doing a hell of a lot behind the scenes!
#1.1 Jugalator on 18 May 2009 - 19:47
Yes, I also like it for what it is. So many seem to expect it to answer "unanswerable" questions for a scientific knowledge base though.

As I said below, it can't tell how to make a hamburger or pizza, but it can tell the total nutrition value for a large glass of Coke + a McDonald's hamburger:
http://www94.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+l...d%27s+hamburger

If one understands why that is, then one understand the goal with WA. :-p

Having said that, sure, WA is far from perfect, and is missing out on being able to do things one would expect it to.
#2 Jugalator on 18 May 2009 - 19:46
Pre-emptive comment:
1. It's not a search engine, it's a knowledge base. So it can't know how to make pizza, because that isn't research, and biased knowledge.
2. The current version is mostly focused for science.
3. It doesn't try to compete with Google.

As a service to compete with Google Calculator, I find it very impressive. Just compare currency conversions like "120 USD in CAD", conversions between numeric systems. It can of course do other fun things, like tell the weather when you were born ("weather in [city] on [date]", and for example how long it will take for the Voyager 1 probe to reach our closest star next to the Sun.
#3 a1ien on 18 May 2009 - 20:16
Too much hype. It looks like it can answer questions where the answer has been baked in to it. It's like a searchable encyclopedia combined with a calculator. Its like Google's calculator on steroids. Um since the answers are baked, it's really lacking in generality and feels weak.

There is a hand-made list of questions it can answer and math problems it can solve. It can't do anything else.
#4 smithy_dll on 18 May 2009 - 20:17
And it solves integrals, probably based on mathematica.
(1 reply) #5 portauthority on 18 May 2009 - 20:51
They need to port it to the internet
#5.1 rakeshishere on 19 May 2009 - 07:59
you mean Google?
(2 replies) #6 +Jedimark on 18 May 2009 - 20:53
#6.1 +Callum M-R on 18 May 2009 - 21:03
Of course - it doesn't know what kind of swallow you want :p
http://www37.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=wha...uropean+swallow
#6.2 +Jedimark on 18 May 2009 - 21:05
Callum M-R said,
Of course - it doesn't know what kind of swallow you want :p
http://www37.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=wha...uropean+swallow

Haha - very good! But I want it for an African swallow
(3 replies) #7 C++ on 18 May 2009 - 20:58
Not impressed. Well maybe, if one person made it. I couldn't be bothered to check. But if it was a team of people, meh. All it does is give you the same answers Google or Answers.com does, except that it tries to appear all futuristic and robotic about it.

It tries to let you ask things in plain English but that model has already been rejected by users in too many other online engines to count, including large ones like Ask Jeeves did it.

It's also slow as hell. The pages load fast but the answers take forever. Not only is your net loss in time the same, but the whole concept of information not loading as soon as the page does is dumb. Information is what I go to the page for. Not the ****ing Wolfram|Alpha logo.

This website basically devalues AJAX and preloader animations entirely, using them even where there is absolutely no call for it. It shows you an animation when you submit a query, pretending that it is fetching the information. Then it takes you to a page and shows you more animations, when it actually does fetch information. And there are multiple animations with no indication of what you are waiting for.
#7.1 +Kirkburn on 18 May 2009 - 21:23
C++ said,
All it does is give you the same answers Google or Answers.com does, except that it tries to appear all futuristic and robotic about it.

1). Why does a website make you so angry?
2). I don't recall Google giving me a rundown of actual information except simple calculations and exchange rates, just links to where you can get the info. Do you get http://www37.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=the+smallest+country from Google?
#7.2 devHead on 18 May 2009 - 21:59
So, I guess you as one person has actually created something better? Man, you got way too much hostility; it's just a website for goodness sakes.
#7.3 +dead.cell on 18 May 2009 - 22:53
I'm not impressed with your comment, C++. I mean, maybe if a 3 year old child wrote it. I couldn't be bothered to check, but if it was a grown adult, meh.
(1 reply) #8 +Napalm Frog on 18 May 2009 - 21:02
Quite cool, but apparently 'green tea' is a movie...
#8.1 +Kirkburn on 18 May 2009 - 21:28
Napalm Frog said,
Quite cool, but apparently 'green tea' is a movie...

What do you expect it to tell you about "green tea", though? I mean, giving you the data about the film of the same name isn't exactly wrong.
#9 Xinok on 18 May 2009 - 22:20
It's a good effort, but the knowledge base is simply too small for me to find it very useful.
(1 reply) #10 x9_ on 19 May 2009 - 00:55


Awesome
#10.1 Tekkerson on 19 May 2009 - 03:16
Freakin' lol'd
(1 reply) #11 Tekkerson on 19 May 2009 - 03:18
I also found this http://www37.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ps3

Who knew we had one inside of us!
(1 reply) #12 XerXis on 19 May 2009 - 07:56
Hmmm, the questions have to be too specific and precisely phrased. They made a lot of fuss about how it is able to interpret natural language, bit of a dissapointment that it really can't interpret anything except filter out words it "knows" about.
#12.1 gb8080 on 19 May 2009 - 09:33
One might say that it is "like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all." (Samuel Johson)
#13 mmck on 19 May 2009 - 10:50
Another "olds" in the news, hasn't this been out weeks?
(3 replies) #14 spacer on 19 May 2009 - 12:02
The engine also does number crunching! WolframAlpha boasts the ability to compute ANY numerical problem.

Lies. I typed in "p = np?" and nothing came back.
#14.1 shhac on 19 May 2009 - 12:22
np makes no sense, you have to do n*p, and ask it to solve.
http://www37.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+n*p%3Dp
#14.2 spacer on 19 May 2009 - 13:47
You missed the joke...but I'll forgive you because it was a really nerdy joke. :p
#14.3 jackofalltrades on 19 May 2009 - 15:12
Waheyy I got it
NP-complexity ftw.
#15 jackofalltrades on 19 May 2009 - 15:11
Dupe - (why can't comments be deleted?)
#16 icat on 20 May 2009 - 09:44
In FF3.5 beta 4 it keeps giving an error saying there's a problem with one of their javascripts and offering to stop execution

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