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I dont know if I can hold in my my apple-gasm much longer...
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Discontinuation of the metal band surrounding the edge of the device
Apple logo on back will glow
Rubber-tread backing
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I am about to 'morse-code' "Jobs" on my Macintosh screen right now---pa-toink...Sploosh

Yea, they've almost caught up to what Windows Mobile has been doing for years! Still no multitasking though!

except windows mobile is slow and horrible to use interface wise.

I don't think Windows Mobile can be compared to OS X mobile. I've seen a lot of screenshots of the upcoming or current Windows Mobile and... no, just no. I will never touch this OS I swear.

Ok, um lets see, Windows Mobile can multitask, has background notifications (for years now), you can install any different ROM on your phone without worries of the company getting upset like Apple does, it's a completely open application system so there's no programs that the company restricts from being sold, unlike Apple, and the possibilities are endless. Apple just restricts way too much from the iPhone.

Well if you've seen screenshots then oh you are definitely "in the known" about it. [/sarcasm]

Ugh. I don't know how this argument still goes on. Windows Mobile may be feature rich compared to Mobile OSX but in terms of usability, how it brings the features together and reliability it just doesn't come near. Not even within the same ball park quite frankly.

Windows Mobile is a total mess from a usability point of view and whilst the touchflo stuff built onto it on some HTC devices, etc improves the situation, in some ways it compounds the situation by giving a totally inconsistent user experience once you go to an app which doesn't work under touchflo and you're back to the 'old' Windows Mobile look.

I've owned many Windows Mobile devices, I currently own & work with Windows Mobile devices and many of my work colleagues (begrudgingly) own Windows Mobile devices. Frankly I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. They're absolutely dreadful.

Where does that sarcasm come from? How do you judge things man, you look at them first and then you use them. By watching screenshots of a virtual interface, I can easily put the pieces together in my head and approximate how to use Windows Mobile and it doesn't come close to OS X mobile in my head.

Now, let's talk about background applications.
1. Most apps on the iPhone start almost instantly (I'm not counting games)
2. Most apps on the iPhone remember where you were when you closed the application.
3. Push notifications.
4. Background apps is not battery-friendly.

Plus, I would add that you're on a cellphone. May I ask you why you need to run multiple apps at the same time? And may I ask you how "alt-tabbing" (take this is the picture of my concept) between apps on an iPhone would be very different than right now?

And to finish, Apple may allow SOME apps to run in the background. This story is not over yet and they know about the issue.

on my S60 3rd phone (nokia e71) most apps start instantly, they can run in the background, have push notifications, and the battery lasts for 3 days even when through heavy gps, 3g and phone usage.

so yeah, the iphone os is behind in the smartphone realm.

The smartphone realm is not represented by the Nokia E71 to begin with, nor with the iPhone.

How many apps do you run in the background to keep such a high battery? And what kind of apps are these (what do they do)?

Apps in general aren't battery friendly...doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to give people the option.

I realise theres no need to run multiple games at once, but something like instant messengers would be nice. heres hoping Apple allows background apps to be run even if it requires the application to be certified to do so (as mentioned in another article).

I didn't know camera quality was measured by the megapixel count... I'm always learning.

yeah camera and size were the two things I took into consideration when selecting a phone.. eventually ended up not buying an iphone and im glad of that decision.

I don't think you got his sarcasm; the fact that the camera is 2-megapixel doesn't mean its bad. Having more megapixel doesn't make for a better camera.

+1

People have to finally learn how cameras work. More megapixels = more resolution. More resolution != better quality.

Quality is 100% based on the sensor and the lenses. NOT the resolution.

1.3MP camera with quality lenses = good quality photos @ 1280x1024
2.3MP camera with crappy lenses = crappy quality photos @ 1920x1200

So, which one would you prefer? I'd settle for a low-res high-quality one anyday.

Unfortunately when it comes to mobile devices and point-and-shoot cameras most consumers think that more MPs = better photos. Pretty much the hugest marketing trick out there to sell crappy products to uneducated consumers.

if the processor speed has improved, the quality might also.

The last iPhone camera wasn't brilliant quality, hopefully they will have improved this one.

Umm.. I think only a very few of you think like that, although.. I can't believe people buy phones based on the quality of the camera.. thats kinda weird..

I think for anyone who wants a really good camera, then phone.. best is to go for that samsung phone (dnt know what the name is). its made just for the camera with a phone option on it.. Nokia's don't even compare to that. - This is said only if you directed at saying Nokia is a good camera phone

Thanks for that.

I've found Sony Ericsson to have the best cameras (with decent flash) out there.

Camera's on phones are...well pointless. I never used my phones camera's and I had the K800i where it was pritty good. I prefer to take shots using a real camera, albiet a DSLR

The iPhone's 2MP is actually pretty good, from a totally unscientific "how good it looks to me" point of view. I owned a couple of Nokias before the iPhone and whilst it wipes the floor the previous Nokia's 2MP camera (don't recall the model number), it's not quite as good as the 2MP camera in the N70 that I had..

Though in typical camera phone fashion it's only really any good in good light conditions. Pictures taken outside in daylight are very decent - evening / indoors not so good!

They're far from useless, especially when sites like facebook resize photos anyway. They just aren't fantastic nor are they any good in certain conditions such as dark areas.

Sure they don't compare to an SLR, but for 1/3 the cost and 1/nth the size they do a decent job many a time.

+1 its nice to know you can set your phone down on any surface without it getting scratched..

+1

Thats a good idea, rubber is not a bad thing!

Yeah not a bad idea, should hold up nicely and feel good in the hand even if it's not as flashy as the first gens chrome back.

Zune HD has it.

They shouldn't be expensive at that the iphone's screen size, especially when every other mp3/phone device are or will be using OLED (which will quickly reduce manufacturing costs)

I really don't understand that OLED hype. I've got a brandnew Samsung digicam, and its OLED screen is about not viewable under sunlight, whereas on my iPhone I can see about everything, except dark colors next to each other. No thanks to OLED, quality is *not* better.

You can hardly dismiss OLED as a technology based on a simple view-finder screen on a digital camera. Screen's on digital cameras are not supposed to be presentation quality, but rather to quickly scan through your photographs.

Yeah you know...I have to agree.. I think the starting prices should be 299.. 199 for a 16 GB.. being apple and all doesnt really make sense.. UNLESS AT&T have really subsidized the cost of the phone.. can never say..

They should be able to... considering how over priced their plans are...

Of course... but if you don't see anything at all (not even to setup the shooting settings), whereas with the iPhone in the other hand you see about everything, then the whole purpose of OLED makes no sense.. just to save battery ?

AMOLED = expensive
OLED = not so expensive

nope.. you shall be forced into looking cool with that glow
but no i bet there will be an app for it as soon as this one is jailbreaked.

How do you know the glow is going to use more battery life? Put simply, you don't. You're assuming there will be a separate light source for the Apple logo. However it's entirely possible they could somehow use the same light source that lights the screen to also make the Apple logo glow, thereby not reducing battery life at all.

Nonetheless it's a pointless feature.

Yes, very pointless. They might as well just set your background as Steve Jobs.

!!! how'd you find out.

OLED screens don't have backlights. If they've made the OLED screen viewable in sunlight, then it should have no bleedthrough on the other side, which means that it'd need its own light source.

It sounds to me like it'd be like the MacBooks with their glowing Apple logo, which is powered by the LCD.

Exactly. The glow doesn't consume anything, it's just using the light emitted to provide the picture on the main screen of the device. But then again, I wouldn't bet on this. I don't think the iPhone will have a glowing Apple in the back

Yea I'm sure it could be turned off. And like Mio says, OLED screens don't need back lights. It would have to be a seperate light source

And LCDs don't give off light themselves, they use a backlight..which in MacBooks could be reflected and used to light the display. So it is consuming power that could otherwise be used to prolong the battery life which, in the case of the iPhone, could only be a good thing!

Are you surprised?

Camera flash?

HAHAHA +1

Would be awesome XD

Imagine that.

Between that sentence (doubling processor power, which yes, would be over 1ghz) and the glowing apple... I'm doubting this.

It still can't multitask with that processing power. That's lame, Windows Mobile could multitask for years now and with half the processing power.

You do know there are other ways to increase the power of a chip besides clock speed, right? No? Didn't think so.

Moron, it does multi-task. The fail on Apples part is not allowing most apps to so the device can save battery life. Jailbroken apps multi-task just fine, but other than IM there is no real need.

So it technically can multitask, but effectively it's not allowed. What difference does this make to the user? Effectively it _doesn't_ multitask. Having to void your warranty by jailbreaking just to be able to have functionality other OS'es have had for years is just totally ridiculous.
Isn't it up to the user to determine if higher battery usage is an acceptable side effect to having better functionality? At least other OS'es give you the choice. Besides that I multitask on my phone and the battery life is at least on par with the iPhone, if not longer.
Another fine example of "an Apple product doesn't lack functionality, because you don't need that functionality according to Apple." But hey, who needs multitasking if you can have a glowing Apple logo on the back of your phone! ... And the fanboys nod and defend

Epic fail, the battery life you get when multi-tasking with the iPod Touch 2G as an example is very little compared to the amount with one app running. The battery is the main issue with all iPhone devices (includes iPod Touches) and the way Apple manages the iPhone leaves the battery as a passed solution for now, running multiple apps can sometimes overheat the device and leave it slow and can cause several warnings about the battery being low. The memory you receive in an iPhone device is not enough to power each app all at the same time, my apps that are running the background will close without warning.

Basically, each iPhone device is under-clocked and is only allowed to run one app at a time unless it is an app provided by Apple such as the Mail app, iPod app, Safari app, etc. I have been testing the betas of iPhone 3.0 on my iPod Touch 2G and have noticed a decrease in battery life with using Bluetooth. 2 issues are the sole reason why the iPhone cannot run multiple apps or Bluetooth smoothly, or even capturing videos using the camera. First, the battery just isn't good enough for the iPhone devices, this is slowly being improved through the generations of iPhone devices. Second, the amount of memory and speed of memory is not very good right now, in the next iPhone the memory was said to be faster and these specs say double it. This means the memory issue is gone for now, making capturing video possible with a better camera and better memory. Push support on the next iPhone will be better with the new memory and longer battery life. Soon we will have a battery that will support multi-tasking. The processor is being improved when it does not need improved really. I guess they like keeping the iPhone under-clocked, so to have a better clock speed they get a faster processor that can do the clock speed while being under-clocked.

As long as you can choose the broadcast frequency of the phone, it shouldn't be hard to find an open station long term. It's those adapters that only give you three options that hose you here.

How about a freaking FM reciever?

How do you know a receiver is missing? Most FM transmitters on chips can send and receive.

+1

For me, the FM transmitter is better than nothing. It's either get an AUX-in installed in my car for $800, or an FM transmitter. I know which one I'd pick.

I believe you are correct on this one. http://www.9to5mac.com/broadcom-BCM4329-iphone-802.11n-FM

It would be cool if Apple allow it to also recieve, as sometimes I prefer to listen to the radio rather than music on my iPhone.

Mine is set on 88.3 and I've never had a problem.

That supposedly has been "confirmed" before by some random chinese manufacturer. Won't know until the day I guess.

No! I hate mirror backing, all iPods get these at least once in their lifetime and they suck as they scratch badly. My iPod Touch 2G has over 50 scratches on it's back because the case scratched it because the backing is so scratch-able. Stop talking and imagining it, get an iPod Touch 2G and learn how bad it is for yourself, in the meantime I will be praying for a device that does not get scratches as much as mine.

at least in germany they are allowed wih a max of 50 nW ERP (Effective Radiated Power) since 2006

I dunno about the rest of the EU, but the ban on personal short-range FM transmitters was lifted quite some time ago here in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6177820.stm

allowed in France too

Hmmm I only counted 13, lol

Wow, you're right. :p My bad.

+1

OLED is expected. if you look in the old news stories there is a rumor of it somewhere.

Other manufacturers are releasing phones with OLED displays right now. I've seen at least 2 or 3.

Plus OLED displays don't take up as much power. Hence why the battery will last longer.

OLED isn't expensive at this size. AMOLED is.

I don't know what oddball rumors you read, but I would consider doubling the clock speed unlikely and doubling the processor power very likely.

The iPhone is ok, I can't say I'm too excited about it though considering my Nokia N95 can do most of that already (and has done so for years) and has a decent 5-megapixel camera with flash I'm more interested in the Touch. My gen1 Touch is starting to act up, so depending by how much they cripple the gen3 Touch (as I'm sure they will "rip out" more then just the phone stuff) I might get one

Doesn't ATT limit their 3G speed?

I'd like to hope Apple doesn't pick their specs for an international device based on ATT's network.

+1

The iPhone isn't only available in the world of the US and on AT&T

i think the camera will be on the edge of the iphone so you can manually swivel the camera. so you can face it at you in a video conference or if you take a picture of yourself. and then swivel it away if your taking pictures of whatever.

it hope it has some sort of image stabilization

I doubt the camera would be on the side. That's too inelegant a solution not to mention the moving parts are likely going to be one of the first parts to break.

Wife works for O2, they no bugger all about a "new" iPhone

I presume it depends where you sit in each of those companies.

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I'd find a new job, who'd want to work with thieves?

so what will happen when u buy the new one and that gets knicked?

Well it was my first day lol so I can't quiet.

Well next time I won't leave it unatened.

I think they ran deals on the 1st gen iPhone because people bought them outright.. the 3G was subsidized by O2 so I'd suspect we won't see these kinds of deals for owners of 3G's and we'll instead have to wait till the end of our contracts before we can upgrade!

Shame really! I'd pay to upgrade I think...

this is the third generation. And why do people HAVE to upgrade? It's not like other phone manufacturers aren't releasing a heck of a lot more products than Apple has in the same period of time.

I'm sure the loyal customers would prefer Apple to only release a new model every 2 or 3 years...c'mon...

They supported the original one after the seconds one release so those on contract could if they wanted just have skipped the next one and got a new one when they renewed down the line.

after YEARS of phones being stripped bare feature-wise and phoen companies sitting on their bums not doing anything for years before bothering to release a new phone, the new attitude of constant upgrades is GOOD.

1) we don't have to wait years for new features to be included in phones
2) more models = more choice (if you don't need a new feature, just get an older model! at a cheaper price )
3) you can get a new model with new features without having to wait until a model is updated after 3 years


to put this in perspective... my Motorola E1000 has AGPS when I bought it in 2003... YES AGPS, not even just ordinary GPS. insane, no?

AND it had QVGA res, AND stereo speakers! unbelievable for 2003, AND in a small and compact phone!

took at least 2 years after that for other phone manufacturers to even begin to bring out features that could compare.

so i know first hand that the technology is out there to have features MUCH more advanced than what we currently have... but with the new 'push push push' ethos, at least we won't have to wait years to see them!