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Microsoft may adjust limitations on Windows 7 Starter

Marshalus   on 22 May 2009 - 22:22 · 26 comments & 8461 views

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According to Paul Thurrott, Microsoft will be lifting the three running application limit for Windows 7 Starter Edition.

Previously with XP and Vista, Starter Edition was designed to run on low end equipment and be sold in what Microsoft called "developing markets." But for Windows 7, Microsoft moved Starter Edition into the rest of the world and decided to sell Home Basic in the developing markets instead. Starter Edition is expected to be sold on netbook class systems, so even if there isn't a software coded limit to how many applications you can run at one time, the limited amount of processor and memory resources in the computer will continue to be the deciding factor.

Even so, since Windows 7 has been engineered to work better on systems with fewer resources, many users report a positive experience even running the Ultimate edition of the beta and RC on lower end equipment. As we reported and proved today, even older systems running with 1.3GHz Celeron processors and 512MB of RAM can easily run Windows 7.

According to TechARP, Microsoft is also adjusting the guidelines for systems that can be sold with Starter Edition. This information has not yet been confirmed by Microsoft.
  • CPU: Single core processor that operates at 2GHz or less and uses 15W or less of power
  • Screen Size: 10.2 inches or smaller (previously 12.1")
  • RAM: 1GB or less
  • Storage: Up to 250GB hard drive or 64GB SSD (previously 160GB or 32GB SSD)
  • Graphics: No restrictions on touch screen or graphics
Some have pointed out, such as blogger Ed Bott, that the three application limit isn't always hard and fast, and that may be why Microsoft has chosen to simply dump the restriction all together. Bott himself did say on Twitter today that he cannot confirm that there will be a change to this restriction, saying he thought it was "under discussion, not decided yet."

Other restrictions currently in place on Starter Edition users include the inability to change the desktop background. No word yet on if this restriction will be removed as well, which for many users would be more annoying than the application limit.

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(1 reply) #1 Admodieus on 22 May 2009 - 22:28
This is a good move in the long run. It was only going to **** people off once they got their netbooks and found out about the limit.
#1.1 soonerproud on 22 May 2009 - 22:48
I always wondered why they just didn't dump Starter for Home Basic on the low end netbooks and PC's. It is not like HB is feature rich and it doesn't do Aero so I just don't understand the thinking of the suits in Redmond.

For the record, if they dump the three app limit, I may buy a Win 7 netbook for something small and light to carry with me.
(3 replies) #2 Foub on 22 May 2009 - 22:51
There shouldn't be ANY artificial limitations on any edition when it is at your end. i.e. RAM, harddrive.
#2.1 GP007 on 22 May 2009 - 22:59
The only limits MS puts on the lower end systems are always in the physical CPU area, i.e. 1 cpu max for basic versions. While home premium can support 2 physical cpus. Pro and Ultimate etc ofc go higher iirc.

Other than physical cpu limits, there's the normal 4GB 32bit ram limit, but that's for every OS.

Aside from that, starter not letting you change the wallpaper etc sounds pretty silly, but I'm with many who wonder why have starter at all and not just go with home basic.
#2.2 skynetXrules on 22 May 2009 - 23:09
GP007 said,
The only limits MS puts on the lower end systems are always in the physical CPU area, i.e. 1 cpu max for basic versions. While home premium can support 2 physical cpus. Pro and Ultimate etc ofc go higher iirc.

Other than physical cpu limits, there's the normal 4GB 32bit ram limit, but that's for every OS.

Aside from that, starter not letting you change the wallpaper etc sounds pretty silly, but I'm with many who wonder why have starter at all and not just go with home basic.


HP Edtion are limited to 1 CPU also

pro , ultimate support 2 CPUs
#2.3 GP007 on 22 May 2009 - 23:11
oh, well, with cores being unlimited the physical limit is kinda moot.

(4 replies) #3 rakeshishere on 22 May 2009 - 22:54
In 2009 there is no need of a starter edition even in most under-developed countries. Trust me I am from India and its easy to afford a PC with a decent config for a cheap price which could run ultimate SKU
#3.1 Marshalus on 22 May 2009 - 23:16
I actually don't know if India is what Microsoft considers a developing nation.
#3.2 soonerproud on 22 May 2009 - 23:20
Marshalus said,
I actually don't know if India is what Microsoft considers a developing nation.


India, Brazil, China, Russia and other similar countries are precisiely what Microsoft is calling a developing country. These countries are too rich to be third world and there is still too much poverty to be first world so the CIA and the UN have labed them "developing nations".
#3.3 +Chipshop on 23 May 2009 - 09:34
Hmmmm i'm not sure these are developing nations
#3.4 Faisal Islam on 23 May 2009 - 12:26
LOL..i gave to trip to Colkata (Indian)...i saw most of the PC, even in shops, offices running pirated version of Windows. There (in India) have a lot of markets where pirated version of Windows are being sold only for 40-50 Rupi. Same thing happening in Bangladesh & Pakistan....lolz.....
#4 gamestargrinder on 22 May 2009 - 23:02
Basic and Starter should be the same product and be sold on low end netbooks. Higher end netbooks should come with Professional. The difference between Basic and Starter is just confusing now
(1 reply) #5 Digix on 22 May 2009 - 23:15
locked into grey coloured fish wallpaper does suck.
#5.1 Lord Ba'al on 23 May 2009 - 06:21
Absolutely. They rather should do a lock that Starter won't run on machines above those specs, rather than an idiotic lock on an ugly-ass wallpaper, or limiting the amount of apps that can be run.
(1 reply) #6 Thunderbuck on 22 May 2009 - 23:23
What's the harm with product differentiation?

If MS can sell a feature-crippled version of Windows to netbook OEMs for cheap, even free, and it's at least marginally usable, what's the problem here? One might even make the point that limiting the number of open apps on low-end hardware might even enhance the user experience.

That said, 3 concurrent apps was probably a bit too strict a limit. 5 or 6 would probably be more like it.
#6.1 carmatic on 23 May 2009 - 17:23
and not being able to change the wallpaper is just arbitary... its such a basic part of the system, surely if they wanted to limit the home basic edition , they could have removed something a little bit more complicated than that...
#7 sorlag on 22 May 2009 - 23:42
As i said, this is very logical.
Microsoft needs to make money, and Netbooks are sold very cheap.
Now if Microsoft charges the normal price, it is too expensive for Netbooks and cuts into profits of Netbook manufacturers.
If Microsoft charges less for Windows on Netbooks and gives out the same version, the manufacturers get angry cause they want more profit and to pay less for Windows on expensive machines also.

This was the reason for bringing in a limited version that is really cheap to the manufacturers and doesn't give the manufacturers a reason for profit riot.
(4 replies) #8 Luis Mazza on 22 May 2009 - 23:46
That was about time. Imagine you buy a two door car with 4 seats and the car manufacturer does not let you reach the back seats by lowering the front seats!
#8.1 lee26 on 22 May 2009 - 23:55
Climb through the back.
#8.2 Raa on 23 May 2009 - 00:51
Ahh the classic car vs computer arguement.
#8.3 Luis Mazza on 23 May 2009 - 19:08
Raa said,
Ahh the classic car vs computer arguement.



I'm a post modern classic guy
#8.4 Thunderbuck on 26 May 2009 - 02:30
Luis Mazza said,
That was about time. Imagine you buy a two door car with 4 seats and the car manufacturer does not let you reach the back seats by lowering the front seats!

Not the right argument. I'd say it's closer to selling you a 4 door car with no back seat and the rear doors welded shut.
#9 artfuldodga on 23 May 2009 - 01:22
well this is good news for those who do get starter... the majority will get premium pro/ent or ultimate though so no real worries anyhow

i'm just glad microsoft seem to be listening thus far, someone who has contacts please tell them not to ruin 7 with a horrible pricing model, i really hate to pay 300+$ for an OS, i will... but i'll feel like those apple folks who pay a premium and i don't want that!
(1 reply) #10 rdmiller on 23 May 2009 - 15:58
It's called NETbook, because it's designed to be used to check email and surf the Web. Two applications. Don't confuse netbooks with ultra-light laptops. The are a whole different kettle of fish. Not cheap. Not cheesy.
#10.1 Rudy on 24 May 2009 - 03:15
Netbooks are actually quite powerful, with a 1.6ghz and 2GB of ram, there's no reason why you can't run something else. So did people just use web browsers and email clients before computers got faster than 1ghz? I mean come on
#11 Hak Foo on 25 May 2009 - 19:46
Why do they keep drawing these hardware-based limits?

Two years from now, it will be difficult to assemble from new parts such a machine without very deliberate "manufactured just to clear the limits" gear.

Why not say "Intended for machines with a MSRP of USD 400 (or similar segmentation appropriate for the region) or below."

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