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James7   on 30 May 2009 - 13:26 · 68 comments & 12727 views

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As was reported here on Neowin, there was speculation that Microsoft were planning to remove the application limit on Windows 7 Starter Edition.

According to The Windows Blog, Microsoft have confirmed that the "3 applications at a time" limit that hobbled earlier versions of the Starter Edition has been removed for Windows 7. Now the only effective limit on the number of programs you can run concurrently is set by the amount of your memory.

Windows 7 Starter Edition will have other limits, however, in order to differentiate it from other versions of the OS.

"Windows 7 Starter does not include:
* Aero Glass, meaning you can only use the "Windows Basic" or other opaque themes. It also means you do not get Taskbar Previews or Aero Peek.
* Personalization features for changing desktop backgrounds, window colors, or sound schemes.
* The ability to switch between users without having to log off.
* Multi-monitor support.
* DVD playback.
* Windows Media Center for watching recorded TV or other media.
* Remote Media Streaming for streaming your music, videos, and recorded TV from your home computer.
* Domain support for business customers.
* XP Mode for those that want the ability to run older Windows XP programs on Windows 7."

These limits are, for the most part, not technical ones, but rather they are designed to encourage people to upgrade their netbooks to other versions of Windows 7, which, according to The Windows Blog, are all optimised to work on any hardware--from netbooks up to powerful gaming systems.

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(14 replies) #1 ChrisJ1968 on 30 May 2009 - 14:18
what a joke. probably will cost upwards of $99 for it too. talk about bait and switch techniques.
#1.1 +Xerxes on 30 May 2009 - 14:49
[edit] Nevermind it says for netbooks, that is a joke...
#1.2 C_Guy on 30 May 2009 - 14:52
Yup, clearly outlining what you get is bait and switch.

Someone needs to brush up on their marketing.
#1.3 n_K on 30 May 2009 - 15:21
It has to be a joke... No DVD playback? I'm fine with everything else but come on, that's pathetic... I could plonk VLC on and I've bypassed that problem!
#1.4 surrealvortex on 30 May 2009 - 16:11
By no DVD playback, I assume they will make sure that one can't watch DVDs even after installing other software solutions. Otherwise, such a restriction is meaningless.
#1.5 GreyWolfSC on 30 May 2009 - 16:43
It says "does not include... DVD playback" not "will not permit DVD playback."
#1.6 RichardK on 30 May 2009 - 16:54
n_K said,
It has to be a joke... No DVD playback? I'm fine with everything else but come on, that's pathetic... I could plonk VLC on and I've bypassed that problem!

Windows XP didn't come with DVD playback either. You had to install a DVD decoder in order for Windows Media Player to be able to play a DVD. So it's a non-issue.
#1.7 k7of9 on 30 May 2009 - 17:44
n_K said,
It has to be a joke... No DVD playback? I'm fine with everything else but come on, that's pathetic... I could plonk VLC on and I've bypassed that problem!

So... it's not a problem anyway right?
#1.8 Raa on 31 May 2009 - 01:06
Okay, so if they don't INCLUDE a way to change the wallpaper, does that mean a 3rd party program will work?

But yeah, 3rd party DVD progs will work just fine. BTW: What netbook HAS a DVD player in it? lol.
#1.9 nekrosoft13 on 31 May 2009 - 04:40
n_K said,
It has to be a joke... No DVD playback? I'm fine with everything else but come on, that's pathetic... I could plonk VLC on and I've bypassed that problem!

starter edition will be mostly for netbooks, netbooks don't have optical drives, so why would you need dvd playback
#1.10 StarLion on 31 May 2009 - 08:54
Starter is reserved for the lowest of the low end netbooks. The majority of netbooks will probably ship with Windows 7 Home Basic.

We'll probably see a few upper end netbooks with Windows 7 Home Premium as well.
#1.11 +betadan on 31 May 2009 - 10:22
ummm... how many of you that actually have a netbook have one that comes with a DVD drive built in?
#1.12 Jugalator on 31 May 2009 - 15:21
RichardK said,
Windows XP didn't come with DVD playback either. You had to install a DVD decoder in order for Windows Media Player to be able to play a DVD. So it's a non-issue.

So this is excused by XP being released in completely different times having no DVD playback?
GreyWolfSC said,
It says "does not include... DVD playback" not "will not permit DVD playback."

But why is it not included? It's a standard format these days...
#1.13 Jugalator on 31 May 2009 - 15:24
betadan said,
ummm... how many of you that actually have a netbook have one that comes with a DVD drive built in?

It's uncommon, yes, but ASUS has an Eee PC for this, and who knows how many on the horizon?

I still think artificial limitations like these are silly in 2009. Sure if it was an emerging technology, but come on... DVD's?
#1.14 GreyWolfSC on 31 May 2009 - 16:18
Jugalator said,
So this is excused by XP being released in completely different times having no DVD playback?

But why is it not included? It's a standard format these days...


No need for it? If an OEM wants to include a DVD drive and playback they can either use a 3rd-party decoder or just not use Starter Edition.
(3 replies) #2 thealexweb on 30 May 2009 - 14:20
Starter Edition should be exist or it should be free.
#2.1 Leonick on 30 May 2009 - 15:22
it basically is free... it will only ship with new netbooks and maybe some laptops... i dont think they will charge much at all for it...
#2.2 iamwhoiam on 31 May 2009 - 02:47
If someone has to buy H/W to get it, then it's not basically free. It's still being paid for.
#2.3 Jugalator on 31 May 2009 - 15:25
Leonick said,
it basically is free... it will only ship with new netbooks and maybe some laptops... i dont think they will charge much at all for it...

lol
(2 replies) #3 +majortom1981 on 30 May 2009 - 14:30
if your on a netbook and use other software for media why would you need a more expensive version of windows 7?
#3.1 Raa on 31 May 2009 - 01:07
You most likely wouldn't!
#3.2 Thunderbuck on 31 May 2009 - 08:51
Bingo!
(3 replies) #4 yxz on 30 May 2009 - 14:32
starter edition OEM only?
#4.1 +Tony. on 30 May 2009 - 14:39
Indeed.
#4.2 carmatic on 30 May 2009 - 19:36
Tony. said,
Indeed.


people complained about not being able to switch the wallpaper and stuff...
think of a cheap cellphone which has the carriers branding on screen all the time, maybe thats analogous to this version of windows
#4.3 Thunderbuck on 31 May 2009 - 08:51
@carmatic

EXCELLENT analogy.
(6 replies) #5 Omen1393 on 30 May 2009 - 14:45
Am I the only one who thinks that for a netbook these limitations are fair? I mean, with aero off by default it probably will run faster and most people don't use a tiny netbook for multi-monitors or dvd playback. Remote Media Streaming looks like the only big hinderence to starter edition.

I'm just glad they listened to us and got rid of the 3 application limit.
#5.1 C_Guy on 30 May 2009 - 14:54
In a sense it is a 'fair' way to keep the cost down but when you compare what is offered by XP Home it makes Windows 7 Starter quite unappealing for a netbook.
#5.2 Leonick on 30 May 2009 - 15:23
You know what? The windows 7 RC ultimate build is faster on my netbook than XP ever was so its not like it needs to be limited... even have more battery time with 7, and i use aero
#5.3 tonyunreal on 30 May 2009 - 15:38
No aero glass means no transparent window borders or special effects, but the aero theme and DWM service are still there, a window will look similar to a real aero-rendered one if dx9 video hardware is present, just without the effects. Check out vista home basic and you'll know what I mean.
#5.4 Silverskull on 30 May 2009 - 17:12
Eh, the only problem with this is the lack of customization features. I'd hope the majority of netbooks come with Home Premium or Professional.
#5.5 Raa on 31 May 2009 - 01:08
Yeah, I don't mind about any of that exept hte ability to change personalised settings? I mean, no wallpaper changing? C'mon.
#5.6 Thunderbuck on 31 May 2009 - 08:53
I totally agree with Omen1393. These aren't unreasonable restrictions at all on an entry-level, legal version of Windows.
#6 dagamer34 on 30 May 2009 - 14:51
I think people will bitch and cry simply because it's Microsoft. It's as if these people don't realize, hey Microsoft has to make money, and just want everything for free.

Sigh, I don't like it when companies make ****ty products but if they get their act together, don't hold their previous actions against them.
#7 C_Guy on 30 May 2009 - 14:53
With these limitations you have to wonder if Microsoft is trying to push netbook customers to get Windows XP. For a netbook, the benefits of a non-crippled edition of Windows 7 isn't really worth the upgrade cost.
(4 replies) #8 crashguy on 30 May 2009 - 14:56
What's funny is people have been asking for a Windows which is cut down and just 'as is' not feature filled.

There'll be performance junkies who just love this.
#8.1 Lepton on 30 May 2009 - 16:20
I for one would run this over any other version. I think they should strip it even more.
#8.2 Stetson on 30 May 2009 - 18:29
I think that the inability to change the desktop wallpaper is pretty bad though. Everything else I could live with for a netbook. Even my free (after subsidy) Verizon Razr, as limited as its software is, lets me change the wallpaper.
#8.3 dlegend on 30 May 2009 - 18:55
I agree. I'm pretty sure almost everyone expects to be able to change their wallpaper. Seems crazy to me.
#8.4 Lepton on 31 May 2009 - 03:47
I don't use wallpaper, I just change the color from blue to black, so I'm OK with that.
(1 reply) #9 _tux_ on 30 May 2009 - 14:59
i thought starter edition was only for developing countries??? (the same as it was for vista and xp)
#9.1 Raa on 31 May 2009 - 01:09
It WAS. But since the introduction of low powered netbook devices, Microsoft needed a way to get into that market. Win 7 Basic will now be for emerging markets only, apparently!
#10 gamestargrinder on 30 May 2009 - 15:06
So starter and home basic have switched places it seems. According to winsupersite, home basic will be for emerging markets only. Being that retail wise the customer will only see home premium, professional and ultimate I think the move for starter is fair. I can see net books being sold with Starter and Home Premium which is good. Starter will be seen only in OEM
(3 replies) #11 qdave on 30 May 2009 - 17:04
i wonder if this one will perform any faster then lets say ultimate.
#11.1 skynetXrules on 30 May 2009 - 18:10
i don't think so.

#11.2 stezo2k on 30 May 2009 - 23:49
why not? editions like this are designed for netbooks so surely they should be faster
#11.3 Lepton on 31 May 2009 - 03:48
Of course it will.
(2 replies) #12 rakeshishere on 30 May 2009 - 18:22
Is this SKU Bare bones edition aka gamers edition ?
#12.1 Stetson on 30 May 2009 - 18:32
Nope, probably not. I'm sure there will be several "Windows 7 Black Ultimate Lean Mean Bare Bones Gamers Edition 2010 (no viruses i swear)" versions floating the various corners of teh interwebs around soon after release.
#12.2 carmatic on 30 May 2009 - 19:38
rakeshishere said,
Is this SKU Bare bones edition aka gamers edition ?


if you can find a copy installed on anything resembling a gaming system... starter is supposed to be OEM only
(2 replies) #13 Hak Foo on 30 May 2009 - 18:59
I hate this market-segmentation bull.

The long-and-short of it is "they need a $15 version of windows for HP and Asus and Acer to put on $200 netbooks, but they can't make it appealing enough for OEMs to install on anything bigger."

What they should do is just change the way they price it to large OEMs -- rather than a fixed cost per license, charge a flat x% of the retail price of the machine.

Then they don't have to cripple the version on the $200 netbooks, but they'll still make more money on the copy going on the $2,000 'extreme gamer' machine.
#13.1 Thunderbuck on 31 May 2009 - 08:56
Hak Foo said,
I hate this market-segmentation bull...

What they should do is just change the way they price it to large OEMs -- rather than a fixed cost per license, charge a flat x% of the retail price of the machine.


Congrats. That might be the smartest criticism I've seen yet.
#13.2 GreyWolfSC on 31 May 2009 - 16:21
That's what they were sued over in the 90s. They're not going to start doing it again.
(1 reply) #14 Frank Fontaine on 30 May 2009 - 22:50
I can understand that this is a budget product, but removing the personalisation features is just stupid, especially if you end up stuck with that crappy fish wallpaper. I would like to hope at least that they provide the option for you to disable the wallpaper.
#14.1 Thunderbuck on 31 May 2009 - 08:57
I'm pretty sure it won't be the fish (Betta fish, "beta" version).

Even so, you've got a point.
#15 redvamp128 on 30 May 2009 - 23:12
To quote myself from the forum-

I can see the no DVD playback, however though the no change desktop that does not make sense.

I can see limiting the themes and the NO Frills.

I can even see them making the watermark (version number) always visible to remind you that it is starter maybe even make that bright red.

I could even see them not allowing the change of the login screen with a background that says Starter Edition and a recommendation to upgrade to a better version.
I could even see them placing links in your start menu to anytime upgrade that the user can't remove (but give them an exit point to close it if accidentally clicked)

Really- I think one guys comment on how Win9x (95,98,ME) has more than what this edition could.

Not being able to change the desktop image makes no sense at all.
(2 replies) #16 98SExpert on 31 May 2009 - 04:01
so whats the difference between starter and the others? bloat?
#16.1 Lepton on 31 May 2009 - 07:07
#16.2 GreyWolfSC on 31 May 2009 - 16:22
#17 Omkar™ on 31 May 2009 - 07:04
Alright: who buys a notebook? The average Joe? No, they'd easily trick him into buying a better, bigger system shelling out more cash.

Then maybe a layman? Wazz he gonna do with it? "Basic things, like web browsing and personal productivity"! There you go! Now you don't need to Aero Peek, you'll never come across the problem to watching a DVD 'cause your netbook doesn't have a slot where it can go in, and you don't know how to change a wallpaper. All issues solved.

Unless... Unless you're one of Ryan's Guinea pigs on whose systems he's put on the Win7 Ultimate RC and introduced you to all the jazz. That'd be sad.
#18 ozgeek on 31 May 2009 - 11:58
I see this as just a demo of Windows 7.
(1 reply) #19 M_Lyons10 on 31 May 2009 - 18:38
"DVD Playback"??

Don't most people with netbooks watch movies on them? the people I know that have them use them a good deal for this function while traveling actually. I guess you can use 3rd party software, but this seems like a rather odd limitation? I guess it's tied into Media Center in some way maybe?
#19.1 +majortom1981 on 01 Jun 2009 - 00:59
M_Lyons10 said,
"DVD Playback"??

Don't most people with netbooks watch movies on them? the people I know that have them use them a good deal for this function while traveling actually. I guess you can use 3rd party software, but this seems like a rather odd limitation? I guess it's tied into Media Center in some way maybe?


Microsoft has to pay rotalties and such to put that feature into a version of windows. So by making starter edition not have it it can reduce the price
#20 Airlink on 31 May 2009 - 21:51
Doesn't matter. Everyone that "Starter Edition" is aimed at will just pirate the real thing anyways.
This whole this is a joke.
(1 reply) #21 Alley Cat on 01 Jun 2009 - 04:55
Ouch, most netbook cannot run windows vista or win7, but then again, if they are used for internet and internet only, I suppose the extreme lack of speed and CPU strain does not matter.
#21.1 Pabs(Sco) on 01 Jun 2009 - 07:41
Have you ever used Windows 7??

I doubt it, as it clearly runs faster/better than XP on my 5 year old laptop with 1Gb ram.
#22 testman on 01 Jun 2009 - 11:01
Amazed at how many people go on and on and on about the restrictions of Starter Edition. If you don't like it, then pay up for the other editions when you buy a netbook. Simple.
#23 Matt A. Tobin on 09 Jun 2009 - 10:29
I have found a sudo-workaround to atleast ditch aero basic and the wallpaper and use windows classic and a sold color desktop background...

Check it out:
http://blog.mattatobin.com/2009/06/09/wind...sic-theme.binoc

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