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James7   on 11 June 2009 - 11:08 · 41 comments & 4679 views

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Facebook has disabled an anti-Islamic group called "I Hate Muslims in Oz" after the issue was brought to their attention by CNet's Chris Matyszczyk.

Facebook's stance toward Holocaust-denying groups is more ambivalent. The company's terms of service prohibit content that is "hateful" or "threatening", and, according to Matyszczyk, Facebook does not consider simply denying that the Holocaust happened to be "hateful" or "threatening".

Facebook's Barry Schnitt clarifies the situation: "We disabled the 'I Hate Muslims in Oz' group a day or so ago because it contained an explicit statement of hate. Where Holocaust-denial groups have done this and been reported, we've taken the same action."

Although many consider Holocaust-denying to be "hateful" and "threatening" in and of itself, Facebook has no plans at the moment to ban groups that do it, unless they explicitly advocate hate. Matyszczyk notes, however, that Facebook's tolerance of Holohoax, one such Holocaust-denying group, reveals the company's disturbing double standard. Holohoax is quite clearly an anti-Semitic group, with wall posts such as "Jews are pretty good liars most of the time, but they tell so many lies they are bound to trip themselves up sometimes. Their exaggerations, half-truths, and outright inventions about the so-called 'Holocaust,' easily the most lied-about topic ever, are a good example."

As more and more employers are including analysis of prospective employees' online activities when making hiring decisions, it is likely that joining groups such as "I Hate Muslims in Oz" or those that deny the Holocaust will be taken into consideration. Schnitt notes, "There are a whole host of ignorant ideas that Facebook, as a communication platform, allows, even though they might hurt a [job] candidate's chances of getting a job here or at any number of other companies."

Although Schnitt is careful to portray Facebook as a neutral forum for the exchange of ideas, Matyszczyk is quick to point out that "[n]eutrality is a very, very difficult act to pull off. Currently, it balances on Facebook's own running definition of what is hateful and what isn't. It is a definition that clearly doesn't satisfy everyone."

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(4 replies) #1 Eddo89 on 11 Jun 2009 - 11:42
Forgive my insensitiveness, but isn't FB's deletion of anti-Muslim group more to do with Muslim's global power right now as opposed to the global power of Jews? I accept there is a small difference in the different group's nature but in the end, both groups are hate groups. Either ban both or ban none. I would also say that if a group called "Anti-Aborigines and their government pay out", guess there won't be much attention.

I think that it is right to delete such groups, but FB have a job in their hands in determining what is hate and what is rant. I don't envy them.
#1.1 Marshalus on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:56
That's the problem with any attempt to censor speech in a society that considers free speech to be a pillar of that society. Where do you draw the line between what is good free speech and what is bad free speech? One man's hate speech is another man's convictions.

Not saying Facebook did right or wrong, or that I agree with the anti-Muslim's OR the Holocaust deniers, I both think they're idiots. Just pointing out the sticky situations that you get into when you start doing this kind of stuff.
#1.2 cabron on 11 Jun 2009 - 14:27
Marshalus said,
That's the problem with any attempt to censor speech in a society that considers free speech to be a pillar of that society. Where do you draw the line between what is good free speech and what is bad free speech? One man's hate speech is another man's convictions.

Not saying Facebook did right or wrong, or that I agree with the anti-Muslim's OR the Holocaust deniers, I both think they're idiots. Just pointing out the sticky situations that you get into when you start doing this kind of stuff.


When a group that is called himself "I hate muslim" is not free speech, its just plain hate and usually these type of groups do violence and terrorist acts as the guideline of their design.
#1.3 smooth_criminal1990 on 11 Jun 2009 - 16:04
In some ways, it would be easier for them to just ban all religion-related

facebook groups...not that it would be received well or anything, as most are

probably doing nothing remotely wrong (as their holy texts probably dictate!)
#1.4 freeeekyyy on 13 Jun 2009 - 01:30
smooth_criminal1990 said,
In some ways, it would be easier for them to just ban all religion-related

facebook groups...not that it would be received well or anything, as most are

probably doing nothing remotely wrong (as their holy texts probably dictate!)



Correction: as some religious group's holy books may dictate.
#2 Shaun_ on 11 Jun 2009 - 11:44
I hate puppies...../delete
(3 replies) #3 kronik on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:08
This is good news, but at the same time I don't think true Muslims should treat this as a victory or anything, instead they should ask themselves questions like what is the cause of this hatred? is it something I as a Muslim can address? and if so how should it be addressed? a lot of times you'll find that the cause is ignorance and misinformation on both ends.

simply silencing these people only adds to their hate.
#3.1 mrmckeb on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:15
Here here. Look at what's causing these issues.
#3.2 Shiranui on 11 Jun 2009 - 13:27
mrmckeb said,
Here here. Look at what's causing these issues.


It's hear hear! Or were you beckoning him?
#3.3 +s.L.m on 12 Jun 2009 - 13:05
I as a Muslim, address the reasons in 2 simple points:
1. we have a lot of Muslim-just-by-name kind of people who know nothing about true Islam, and I can't do anything about it but to raise my children and educate my family and friends to know the difference.
2. the media mainly in the US... and I have no comments about this
(5 replies) #4 hotdog963al on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:08
Lame! Still, I'm a fan of Adolf-Hitler and Gary-Glitter :-)

Why is this one still around: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7989679495

Last edited by hotdog963al on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:18
#4.1 Shaun_ on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:24
yea that should be gone lol. They wouldn't be pleased if it were the other way around
#4.2 daPhoenix on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:30
Interesting language in the comments on that facebook group :p
#4.3 hotdog963al on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:42
Shaun_ said,
yea that should be gone lol. They wouldn't be pleased if it were the other way around

Exactly. Why can't they see that they're being massive hypocrites. I've seen posts on YouTube as well, things like "die western pigs" and stuff, yet they completely fail to realise that they are using western technology to even get on YouTube. Makes me lol, really.
#4.4 smooth_criminal1990 on 11 Jun 2009 - 16:06
hotdog963al said,


Because some people/places/religions just ain't bothered probably
#4.5 leesmithg on 12 Jun 2009 - 10:02
Maybe you should email facebook and put them straight.

All of those social networking sites have hate groups that hate anything, from the alphabet to Zebra's (that is an example of a to z so no looking for Zebra and alphabet hate groups).

I find it odd though how these social networking sites seem to pride themselves on good democratic values but remove one hate group and leave many others.
#5 The Stylish Hobo on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:14
I think they were right in this decision. If it was "I hate Islam" then in my opinion they would have a right to exist. But being that they are calling out a specific group of people, then it is quite hateful.
(1 reply) #6 Neo Razgriz on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:20
By Oz I assume this trash meant Australia?

Well then I'm glad Facebook disabled it. Like Australia needs anymore **** like this ******* ******* saying **** about people!
#6.1 tiagosilva29 on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:28
Neo Razgriz said,
By Oz I assume this trash meant Australia?

I actually thought it was about this Oz.
#7 Shaun_ on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:23
******* yea ****** i ***** like ****** stars ******* yea

jebus keep the swearing down its not like we can see it anyway
(1 reply) #8 peacemf on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:26
on one hand , this means that other groups should also be removed, otherwise it should favouritism! although its unlikely they will remove such groups
#8.1 Shaun_ on 11 Jun 2009 - 12:32
Just like this group posted further up by hotdog

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7989679495
#9 turk4n on 11 Jun 2009 - 13:00
Well this was kinda awkward...
#10 java2beans on 11 Jun 2009 - 13:39
Why do people hate so much? Everyone wants love. But, no one wants to give it.
#11 Dkx64bit_TR on 11 Jun 2009 - 13:58
Thank you Facebook.
#12 DOOOMKULTUS on 11 Jun 2009 - 14:39
Down with censorship.
facebook is scared,thats the fact,everybody seems to be of something like this.
(2 replies) #13 Aahz on 11 Jun 2009 - 14:46
So they are removing the group but not the members?
#13.1 Xenomorph on 11 Jun 2009 - 15:12
Aahz said,
So they are removing the group but not the members?

well, it's obvious! it's a jewish conspiracy
#13.2 Shaun_ on 11 Jun 2009 - 15:23
lol not another one
(1 reply) #14 +Nightwind Hawk on 11 Jun 2009 - 17:09
I'm entertained by the people who are bringing up free speech and censorship. Facebook is a private company and this violates their TOS. The end.
#14.1 hotdog963al on 11 Jun 2009 - 20:39
True
(3 replies) #15 brentaal on 11 Jun 2009 - 17:24
Great, but now I expect them to delete all Muslims groups too, because they're anti-infidel.
#15.1 +Nightwind Hawk on 11 Jun 2009 - 20:19
brentaal said,
Great, but now I expect them to delete all Muslims groups too, because they're anti-infidel.

There is a fine line between expressing your own religion in comparison to threatening others. An anti-muslim group is like the KKK. If you like that, then go join it.
#15.2 brentaal on 11 Jun 2009 - 21:25
Nightwind Hawk said,
There is a fine line between expressing your own religion in comparison to threatening others.

Yeah, one's a registered organization so they can spread hate and are protected by the silly laws, the other isn't.
#15.3 +Nightwind Hawk on 12 Jun 2009 - 15:31
brentaal said,
Yeah, one's a registered organization so they can spread hate and are protected by the silly laws, the other isn't.

yeah, I guess the KKK is pretty safe since it abides all the laws.
(1 reply) #16 toadeater on 11 Jun 2009 - 22:55
They deleted my I Hate Facebook group too.
#16.1 carmatic on 12 Jun 2009 - 08:35
toadeater said,
They deleted my I Hate Facebook group too.

there are plenty of other 'i hate facebook' groups around still... yours must be doing something wrong
(1 reply) #17 TonyLock on 12 Jun 2009 - 00:03
I wish people would stop hating Muslims, we are peace loving people.
#17.1 cycro on 12 Jun 2009 - 10:29
Every single generalization is wrong by definition. No group of people is peace loving or peace hating. There are good and bad persons in every group and society on this planet. Therefore it's wrong to claim that Muslims are or aren't peace loving people, just as much as it's wrong to hate the group as a whole.
#18 Airlink on 12 Jun 2009 - 14:00
Great. Now if only someone could do the same to Fox News.
#19 Anaron on 13 Jun 2009 - 01:43
Simply put, Facebook has the right to delete any group that infringes their Statement of Rights and Responsibilities.

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