As Apple continues to fight for more market share it will continue to put pressure on all facets of the computer industry. Today Apple has announced that Safari 4, the newest update to their web browser, was downloaded 11 million times in three days. The 11 million mark breaks down to 6 million downloads for Windows and 5 million downloads for the OS X platform. Apple claims that its browser is the "world's fastest, most innovative browser and is built on the world's most advanced browser technologies".The news only gets better for Apple with word that Microsoft will not be shipping Internet Explorer with Windows 7 in Europe. This will allow Apple to possibly expand its user base since there will be no default browser for European Windows 7 users and it will be up to OEMs to choose ones to preinstall, or for the user to decide their browser of choice.
While moving 11 million copies of any software is always an incredible feat its retaining users that is always the challenge. Many may have downloaded the updated browser to only test the waters. Will Safari 4 be able to take a bigger bite out of the IE market share? We may not know for some time.
Apple claims that its newest browser is "nearly eight times faster than IE 8 and more than four times faster than Firefox 3. Safari quickly loads HTML web pages more than three times faster than IE 8 and three times faster than Firefox 3" but mysteriously leaves out any mention of Google Chrome.
Both Safari and Chrome are based on the same WebKit rendering technologies, although they feature different javascript engines.
Would be interesting to know.
A lot of people click that not knowing what it is or thinking they need to. I have seen this many times. People think just because it is an option, that they need to install it.
Probably because of that one time when it was selected by default and did install.
That's just it though, the iTunes installer doesn't even offer it as an option. Apple's Software Update does, but not the iTunes installer.
I believe iTunes used to...correct me if I am wrong. My statement still stands tho, people see it in the Updater and think they need it...when in fact they dont. I bet IE8 got a bunch of DLs as well. But with FF, you have to choose to DL it and install it.
I've seen it get installed with some other piece of freeware before, but at the moment I can't remember what it was.
They eventually shut down the practice after MUCH protesting, but people who never manually uninstalled it keep getting it updated whether they are using it or not.
This is why this "downloads" statistic is irrelevant, since it doesn't actually represent how many people (especially Windows users) actually USE Safari (nigh about nil).
But that's why they keep reporting the download figure, since it sounds a WHOLE lot better than the actually usage figures...ahem.
Every time iTunes gets and update on any of my PCs Safari is always checked regardless that in the pass I have unchecked it countless times. So when you say "unless you select that option" do you mean unless I leave it selected? Anyways, I always uncheck it. I wish Apple wouldn't force their browser on me if I don't want it.
I've used/tried both Safari 3 and 4 on my pc, now idk if there is any difference in the actual software on osx but on windows I cannot stand it. Yeah it has a few small things I like but overall I could never use it for more than an hour.
Dont need to apologize...you are entitled to your opinion.
No, Firefox will actually download it by itself, then pop up a window asking you to restart the browser in order to install it.
Yes, it ****ed me off... Though, I'm glad I noticed... Since they just have it in the 'Recommend Installs' below your line of attention... You don't always notice that stuff.
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I don't
If I don't know what a program or option in a program is, I look it up on the Internet - search it... find out. Why can't other people? Are you blaming Apple because some users don't want to look up what Safari means when Apple offer it as an option in the Apple Software Update? Wow...
Also, you cannot say "a lot of user's aren't tech-savvy, so they install it because with it being there, they think they need it" - That's very unfair on Apple. You cannot blame Apple for a user's naivity and ignorance. Computers are the future and always becoming more popular, therefore it is up to the user to try and understand them. If a user cannot understand a computer, they should not be using it - plain and simple. As some have to use a computer then they have to learn how to understand them. It may be hard to understand some things, but to understand what a program is/does, when you have the name, is not hard - you just search it on the Internet. If a user does not know to do this, you certainly cannot blame Apple. That's an outrage.
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Maybe because in previous versions of itunes for Windows, Safari was installed without asking the user. Likewise itunes for windows is still installing Bonjour and some new Mobile Device software without asking if the user wants or needs it.
People quite reasonable do not trust vendors who slip all this crap in without asking permission.
Or... OR, they could leave it unticked by default. You can't blame Apple for users' ignorance, but you can blame them for exploiting it. People not doing research on what they are downloading is 90% of the reason why Malware still exists.
If I don't know what a program or option in a program is, I look it up on the Internet - search it... find out. Why can't other people? Are you blaming Apple because some users don't want to look up what Safari means when Apple offer it as an option in the Apple Software Update? Wow...
Also, you cannot say "a lot of user's aren't tech-savvy, so they install it because with it being there, they think they need it" - That's very unfair on Apple. You cannot blame Apple for a user's naivity and ignorance. Computers are the future and always becoming more popular, therefore it is up to the user to try and understand them. If a user cannot understand a computer, they should not be using it - plain and simple. As some have to use a computer then they have to learn how to understand them. It may be hard to understand some things, but to understand what a program is/does, when you have the name, is not hard - you just search it on the Internet. If a user does not know to do this, you certainly cannot blame Apple. That's an outrage.
People don't know what Bonjour/rendezvous is either. It's not fair to expect everyone that bought an iPod and has to install iTunes to sync it should have to look up every component the installer contains. They simply should not be installing anything unrelated to iTunes, and they should explain what the components that are related do. (i.e.: You shouldn't be forced to install Apple Software Update or the hardware drivers. Especially if you told it not to do it.)
rofl people who doesn't know what they are doing hot next > next > next
They don't click any raido or check box button since they are afraid of what it could do.
That's why you'll always see un-informed people having a serarch toolbar in their IE cause those are often checkd by default and you have to un-check them.
Would be interesting to know.
+1. I thought exactly the same when I read this title.
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=24003
You just love to read part of my post and then comment, dont you. I put (I think this still happens). And apparently you didnt read my reply to your other post either....
Perhaps if you read MY post without your anti-Apple blinders on, you would see I was talking about techbeck's claim that there was a custom/typical install option in the iTunes installer. I know that it shows up as available in the Apple Software Update, but again, you have to choose to install it. Or are you one of those people who blindly installs everything that gets offered to you?
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=24003
There are 1,6 billion of internet users around the world. 11mln is just about 0,007%. I'm sure more than 10mln were old Safari users who updated their browser to a new version.
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=24003
What's your point?
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=24003
What's your point?
Firefox doesn't appear on your computer when you install something unrelated.
The gains from Turbo are heavily dependant on your connection speed though.
Betanews says "Speed crown changes hand"....Safari is now behind Chrome. Apple got caught again. They are simply lier.
Betanews says "Speed crown changes hand"....Safari is now behind Chrome. Apple got caught again. They are simply lier.
How are they liars, when it isn't mentioned that it is faster than Chrome or Opera?
Read the article (and the press release from Apple): "Safari 4 is the world’s fastest, most innovative browser and is built on the world’s most advanced browser technologies..."
I don't remember Chrome 3 to be out either... I know of version 1 and 2 though. If 3 is out for real - what the hell? We'll have version 20 by the end of the year or something?
Bull. Plain and simple. When are you [< snipped > - Calum] going to figure out that Safari does NOT get installed unless you choose to install it.
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[< snipped > - Calum] Apple has been known to install crap without user's knowing about it. Same thing with MS. But even if it is an option, many users will click it anyway because they thing since it is there, they need it. Not everyone is computer savvy.
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ONE time the iTunes installer did this, quite some time ago. It hasn't happened since, yet people here still accuse Apple of doing it like it happens all the time.
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But as the first person said, it would be interesting to see where the downloads originated from, if the users actually wanted to download it or if they accidently clicked the box.
Get used to it, they rag on MS all the time...it what happens. And Apple installed other things automatically as well, not just Safari
At least it wouldn't be an unknowing install then, and they'd know that they had it. This was what your parent countered.
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But as the first person said, it would be interesting to see where the downloads originated from, if the users actually wanted to download it or if they accidently clicked the box.
11 millions in three days is far from an extreme amount if you compare to Firefox, and Safari has something like a third of Firefox's market share. So it's quite easy to assume that most of these guys actually wanted Safari.
It's actually more probable that people unknowingly download it. Your logic doesn't make sense.
And I will reiterate my reply to techbeck, to you -
If I don't know what a program or option in a program is, I look it up on the Internet - search it... find out. If I don't want it, I will uncheck it. Apple offer Safari as an option. How can you blame Apple if some user checks the box because they don't know what Safari is? They should look it up if they don't know what it is!
Also, you cannot say "a lot of user's aren't tech-savvy, so they install it because with it being there, they think they need it", like techbeck said - That's very unfair on Apple. You cannot blame Apple for a user's naivity and ignorance. Computers are the future and always becoming more popular, therefore it is up to the user to try and understand them. If a user cannot understand a computer, they should not be using it - plain and simple. As some have to use a computer then they have to learn how to understand them. It may be hard to understand some things, but to understand what a program is/does, when you have the name, is not hard - you just search it on the Internet. If a user does not know to do this, you certainly cannot blame Apple. That's an outrage.
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If I don't know what a program or option in a program is, I look it up on the Internet - search it... find out. If I don't want it, I will uncheck it. Apple offer Safari as an option. How can you blame Apple if some user checks the box because they don't know what Safari is? They should look it up if they don't know what it is!
Yet they don't. You know this as well as the rest of us.
What a load of ********. If it is "Optional" as you say then the checkbox should be OFF by default and if a user wants the "Optional" software they will tick the box.
If the checkbox is on by default then its not OPTIONAL it is installed by DEFAULT.
Considering 5 million were mac users, I'm sure they were plenty aware of what they are doing, the other 6 million I'd say are divided between people who just click update and those who know it. If you don't bother to look at what your installing your an idiot and shouldn't be using a computer, it's not that hard to read.
I think the message we can all take from this is just less market share for IE. We need to kill that disease on web browsing.
If you were a web designer I'm sure you'd understand where I'm coming from, if you're just an end user than I can definitely see where you're coming from.
If you were a web designer I'm sure you'd understand where I'm coming from, if you're just an end user than I can definitely see where you're coming from.
You still using IE7?
I'm a webcoder and I can get all my codings render properly on IE and Firefox with only 1 CSS file. Validated as well.
I'm a webcoder and I can get all my codings render properly on IE and Firefox with only 1 CSS file. Validated as well.
Lol, people just instantly hate on Microsoft. They make great stuff. Thanks for telling the truth!
I'm a webcoder and I can get all my codings render properly on IE and Firefox with only 1 CSS file. Validated as well.
Yea actually I am, perhaps IE8 is a little more proper? Even if it is, the bulk of the population is yet to update so making things work in the latest and greatest isn't that beneficial. And I don't instantly hate Microsoft, I just think they release unpolished software with the intent to update them later. Similar to games these days which are released purposely lacking content so they can sell it as downloadable later. Microsoft takes too damn long to make things :/
I really agree with everything you're saying here. If people don't look at what they are installing and don't research to find out why it says "Safari", then Apple really cannot be blamed. The user can be blamed for this. If they do not know to search the Internet for what Safari is then they should not be using a computer.
Secondly, whether Internet Explorer 8 displays webpages well or not, Xero makes an excellent point - many many people still use Internet Explorer 6 and 7, therefore Internet Explorer 8 being released does not make development easier - we still have to make our websites work well in IE6 and IE7.
Again, I see you bashing on something Apple did... how surprising is this, really...
IE has been the worst browser since Firefox exists. I've been developing a few websites during the past 5 years or so, and IE was a pain in the butt to develop for. Also, no browser before Safari has given me these powerful tools, all-in-one and integrated right into the browser. Let's put it simply, Web Inspector is simply the most powerful debugging and optimizing tool that I have ever used.
Just admit that you were here just to whine and bash on Apple and say MS is the best. Even MS users would agree that IE's a real joke.
And another BS artist comes in here to spread the myth.
Don't bother responding to these types of posts.
Dude, when a half dozen people are stating something as fact, and you keep stating it isn't, you *might* just want to do a lil Google searching to make sure you are in the right before you insult people, okay?
Either way, I answer this whose situation in a post above. Enjoy.
I know what the hell I'm talking about, do you? People were claiming that Apple still installs Safari without the user's consent, and they do not. End of story. Get YOUR facts straight.
Too bad you DON'T know "what the hell" you're talking about. You should get YOUR facts straight. Through Apple's Updater, Safari IS checked by default.
Unfortunately though, the 'damage' has already been done in the months where Apple did have it ticked by default, hundreds of computers I've used where people installed iTunes have unwittingly had Safari installed - and more than likely the same people are (again unintentionally) updating to Safari 4.0 which gives Apples inflated numbers.
Only those few Windows users who actually want Safari (I make sure it is installed on a beta machine for testing purposes) and those millions who got duped by the push and never properly uninstalled it download Safari for Windows.
I'd be MUCH more interested in seeing REAL stats on who is actually USING Safari from Windows as their primary browser.
Only those few Windows users who actually want Safari [...]
You keep saying that it's only few Windows users who actually want Safari, but where's the proof? Where are the figures?
I've started using Safari on Windows, since version 4 and I imagine many other people could have. The features and interface are brilliant as well as the speed all round. The only thing that stopped me using it on Windows with version 3- was the horrible grey design of the program. That has changed now and looks nice.
I downloaded it, gave it a shot , and decided Chrome is faster and has a better interface..
(The 'frequently visited sites menu' in Safari does look good though)
Oh come on, nothing can match Opera nor FF.
Nothing can match FF or Chrome is what should be the correct statement
Considering that Chrome and Safari use the same rendering engine, they would render sites the same.
Ad Muncher does rock, I will probably end up doing the same thing. I used Firefox pretty exclusively for years, switched to IE8 up until this week, and am now using Chrome full time. I must admit that pages do get laid out and render faster than the previous two; it's noticeable. I love the UI of Chrome in Vista/7 too and the UI is very responsive, especially with tab opening/closing.
sorry not get off topic, but opera turbo is nothing more than a gimmick at best. dialup isp's has or had
this feature before.
Nothing can match FF or Chrome is what should be the correct statement
Chrome doesn't warn you when you are closing a browser session that has multiple tabs.
Chrome doesn't allow you to bookmark a whole tab session so you can come back to it later (something I do frequently if I need to webpages for looking up programming or web designing tips)
Chrome and Firefox don't warn you when you are about to leave the page and have typed something into a textbox without saving it (although this may possibly be able to be done via a Firefox extension).
As well as those things which Chrome doesn't have, I find Safari's interface to be more refined than Chrome's and it looks nicer with the light-grey/white-grey than Chrome's horrible blue.
I love Firefox, but I've found Safari to be much faster at both loading/running the application and loading webpages on Windows 7.
This is even more true on Macs. I don't know what language relies behind Firefox on the Mac, but I can say it's not Cocoa and it shows.
Why wait? It's rock solid. Download it now, you won't regret it.
Why is everything now a days staying in Beta? The products are soo solid, just like the Windows 7 Beta, but things like GMail is still in beta and more. Whatever, I just ignore the Beta signs. Now Alphas, those are a little unstable,
Where was the last time you checked Neowin? We are at Windows RC, boy... there is even a poll about it.
GMAIL BETA, we all know why it stays like that.
And no, I don't see products staying in beta for long... must be your imagination.
On the list of "best browser" across all operating systems, Safari comes in about fourth...behind FireFox, Chrome, and Opera (order varies by preferences).
It's like IE8 on Windows...VERY solid default OS browser that MOST computer users would never need to switch from.
On the list of "best browser" across all operating systems, Safari comes in about fourth...behind FireFox, Chrome, and Opera (order varies by preferences).
It's like IE8 on Windows...VERY solid default OS browser that MOST computer users would never need to switch from.
I disagree completely. I suggest you read my reply to Imran Hussain, above, about the benefits Safari has over Chrome and those are only some.
It's just that Safari got pushed (see my post above) a year or two ago and a lot of Windows users keep getting it auto-updated even though they don't want, need, or use Safari, haha.
Pray tell then what is the point of obvious hyperbole? I would believe that you intended it as a joke if it weren't for the rest of your 30 other fanboyisms on this very page...
You may have been joking, but if not, I use Safari on Windows 7, now
I'm really happy with it. I adore the 'find' feature - how they've implemented it
How can they say this is the most innovative browser, sincer is the least feature-packed from all big others?
Not to mention is a rip-off of Chrome. They copied the menu/preferences icons and also the menu from Chrome.
*******!
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The problem with Apple is that, aside from making these claims, they choose to spit right on the faces of their competitors. Probably one of the reasons many sit in joy when things backfire on Apple's claims. (see OS X virus)
At least they decided not to rip Chrome's tab display...
Otherwise, what important features does Safari have that other browsers don't ?
1)Firefox
2)Safari
3)chrome
4)opera
5......19)Every other good or ****** browser
20)Internet Explorer 8
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And Safari isn't even in the top 5 on anyone else's list...
Does Chrome has more features than IE8?
At the end of the day, we all know that users are quite free to hop online and download any browser they want. in this day and age if anyone were to complain about IE I am sure someone would be more than happy to help them make the move to FF. No one can really whine about Microsoft being a bully because there is too much awareness of choice out there.
Taking that into consideration, IE has maintained a huge portion of the browser market and if the Microsoft haters would use it with an open mind they might discover why it is still the market leader.
I've tried them both. The point is, I don't get why people are so over-hyped at this 'lightweight' thing of chrome while it lacks features other browsers have.
I'd be hyped if it delivered the same and had the same features, but not because of this.
I will not take that into consideration because you're wrong. The MAJORITY of PC users are still not aware that alternatives exist and what they are capable of. I still routinely have to deal with people who do NOT know what Firefox is! They have never heard of it. They think IE is part of Windows and that this is what you're supposed to use to access the internet. Furthermore, most MS-centric IT departments still insist on standardizing on IE, in part because it is considered by them to be part of the OS.
If the browser market was fair and MS couldn't rely on its monopoly to dump IE onto the market, IE wouldn't have nearly as much of the market as it does right now. The more people that learn about the alternatives the more choose to use them instead of choosing IE. The marketshare of IE alternatives is steadily increasing every month!
I've never seen Firefox OR IE shrug off a flash crash. so that's a big kudo to Chrome IMHO.
I've never seen Firefox OR IE shrug off a flash crash. so that's a big kudo to Chrome IMHO.
It's nice and all, don't get me wrong, but chances are restarting the browser with my tabs back open is not going to bug me that much. I would hazard a guess that the majority of the market feels a similar way.
You can't speak for every user.
Safari is number 1 or 2, on my list. Possibly number 1 but Firefox may beat it; I haven't decided yet.
I'm inclined to think the market share thing is because it is installed on every Windows PC as the default browser. A lot of less tech-savvy people do not even know there are other browsers out there and do not know of the better alternatives.
Whilst IE8 is very good, IE6 and 7 were both appalling in regards to features and rending webpages, compared to all of their competitors.
Many many people still use IE 6 and 7 and that is what annoys me - it makes it very painful for us web developers.
I've never seen Firefox OR IE shrug off a flash crash. so that's a big kudo to Chrome IMHO.
That's a very good feature of Chrome and very helpful. However, how often do these crashes occur? Because they don't occur very often at all, I tend to look at other, more useful features, in a browser and compare them
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1. Internet Explorer 8
2. Google Chrome
3. Opera (10 Beta)
4. Firefox
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100. Safari (for Windows)
1. Internet Explorer 8
2. Google Chrome
3. Opera (10 Beta)
4. Firefox
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100. Safari (for Windows)
No, that's your list, not THE list.
I don't know why you chose Chrome. I mean, he chose FIREFOX as his number one. Why are you asking about Chrome unless... *gasp* you hate Chrome just as much as he hates IE8 and are... dare I say it? A troll attempting to start a dumb argument as well?
Seriously, next time you call someone a troll, try not to do the same. Satanist didn't like IE8. You don't like Chrome. Both of you are going out of your way in a thread about Safari to show your dislike.
1. Internet Explorer 8
I stopped reading there.
You're not a web developer... or are you?
1. Internet Explorer 8
I stopped reading there.
You're not a web developer... or are you?
Because only web developers can have an opinion. Not the millions of people who are going to be using it to view your website right? Get real...
Would you rather speak with someone who speaks english as if this person read the dictionnary for pronounciation and everything, or if you'd prefer speaking to someone who pronounces words incorrectly and has different definitions?! It's not just English teachers who'd prefer the first guy, right?
Really, Apple? Did you do speed tests? Bench marks? What browsers did you comapre to? Where is all that data?
Where are your facts to show that Safari isn't the most advanced browser?
From my experience, the speed claims they have made are true and I've been using the browser for a good few months. It is now my default browser as of a few days ago.
It also has many useful features which Chrome doesn't have, as I expressed in a post above.
Do any of the other browsers warn you when you are leaving a page without posting/sending/saving what you have typed into a textbox? Not that I know of. A tiny bit of innovation there? Yes, I think so
And when I say beta, I mean when Safari for Windows was first in beta, not the Safari 4 beta.
Where are your facts to show that Safari isn't the most advanced browser?
So Apple claims they have the most advanced browser. And when people want to see Apple actually prove those claims, people are expected to prove the opposite? Reversing a question and throwing it back is so incredibly lame. Questions are supposed to be answered with answers, not a counter question.
Ahh, this is why you're so misinformed about them. I didn't have any proof until now...
Ok, so put it simply : You're boycotting Apple - by definition you're not using ANY product from them - and you're giving away all your bad opinions on products like Safari without have ANY clue of how it is really. You can't be anything but a troll.
Really nice practice to shovle all kind of cra* on everyones pc and then celebrate the nice bonus the boss gave you to meet the target early and celebrate yourself...
I find it better than Chrome and it is much faster and less of a memory hog than Firefox on my machine.
They go to great lengths in order to exaggerate their real figures.
yes... i only downloaded it to test out if my sites worked properly in safari...
Excuse me? I use Safari 4 on Windows and I don't class myself as a fanatic Mac OS X user. I don't even have Mac OS X yet
I just find Safari to be the better browser for speed, features and interface design.
"Apple is no stranger to hyperbole. In fact, they sort of reinvented it, and regularly take it to new levels. The week of WWDC, you might normally expect the hyperbole to have burned out by the time Bertrand "Grima Wormtongue" Serlet disappeared from the Moscone stage in a swirl of smoke and sulfer. (See how easy that is?) But it didn't. Today, Apple announced the following dubious milestone:
Safari 4 Downloads Top 11 Million in Three Days
Apple today announced that more than 11 million copies of Safari 4 have been downloaded in the first three days of its release, including more than six million downloads of Safari for Windows.
The rest of the press release is pointless PR fluff, so let's just focus on the central claim. 11 million downloads, of a barely-used browser. In just three days. I mean, my God. Did Apple just do something incredible here?
No. Apple is making lemonade. And that's amply explained by Robert "about to be mail-bombed" Strohmeyer over at PC World.
As someone with three Macs at home, I couldn't help but notice that Apple pushed Safari 4 out as an automatic update to all of its users this week. Yesterday, all three of the Macs in my household received the update, and we don't even use Safari.
An informal poll of my friends and colleagues reveals a whole lot of the same. Got the update dialog, downloaded and installed it, don't intend to use it.
What is at issue is the ridiculously thin claim that the latest Safari is a wild success on the basis that Apple basically pushed it out to everyone it possibly could, whether they wanted it or not.
So there you go. And I count myself among that crowd of 11 million who downloaded it, tried it, and will never go near it again. Why would I? I have real browsers that can, among other basic activities, work in full-screen mode. You know, unlike Safari."
That bit alone made me lol. Fanboys really bug me :/
Thurott uses a lot of Apple equipment, y'know.
Yes, to take them down in his articles... but if he spends so much money to buy Apple's products, he must still like them somehow...
@ the article : Ok, so because it doesn't have full-screen mode, it's not a real browser.
I'll take notes...
For the people who currently have it on their system and it keeps updating from when the checkbox was checked, surely they would have noticed something called Safari somewhere on their computer or in the Apple Software Update when it tells them there is an update for it?
They don't know what it is, so they don't look on the Internet to find out?
there are no option to change search provider to one of your choice.
EU were are you !
i am talking about the searchbox in S4 !
you can't change it to bing/live for example , just stuck with only G00gle or Y! that is dedicated by apple i went the choice to change it !
i can change the searchbox search provider in IE , FF and chrome easily but not in Safariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii !
I have no use for the search bar if I cannot set it to Bing or Wikipedia, therefore, I don't need it cluttering up the interface.
alot of people probably still do, not everyone is on the hate apple and safari bandwagon.
But hey, downloaded Safari like years ago, I merely keep it updated. So I can't really say I used it at all.
I just dislike that so many people are jumping to conclusions. Many of them have stated they think that no Windows users use Safari. Well I do now, so therefore, they are very wrong
My personal preference on both platforms is Firefox. Though it's not the fastest on either platform it isn't slow either, and it gives me access to web development tools like Firebug and keeps my browsing experience consistent when switching from one platform to the other.
I am very impressed and it is much faster than Firefox, Internet Explorer and Opera, for me, and on par with the speed of Chrome.
I only use it because it has more features than Chrome (as expanded on in a comment on mine somewhere above) and I think the interface is much nicer. I really hate the blue of Chrome.
its the stupid apple auto-updater, it seems to want to force you to install Safari, when ya aint got it installed
Just tried it with Itunes 8 etc and it STILL does it!
It's annoying having to uncheck that box everytime
As for it being annoying, in all seriousness, is it really? How often do you update software using Apple Update? Once every few months? Is it really that annoying to uncheck a box once every few months?
If you've unchecked it once and have to uncheck it again, I can imagine it seems ridiculous, but to be classed as annoying? Unchecking a box every few months...
its the stupid apple auto-updater, it seems to want to force you to install Safari, when ya aint got it installed
Just tried it with Itunes 8 etc and it STILL does it!
It's annoying having to uncheck that box everytime
LOL - I always turn off any "automatic software update" program, or the first time it tries to connect to the internet I block it in the firewall.
Absolutely scandalous that Safari is downloaded and installed by default!
I noticed that Safari wrote a lot (more than FF or IE8 ) to its cache file (instead of my 3GB of RAM), so I went around looking for tweaks to tweak advanced settings and disable Hard Drive Cache (it was lagging because of it). I found no tweaks to disable Hard Drive Cache, in the matter of fact I found NO ADVANCED OPTIONS.
The browser is fast, I admit, but DAMN, the other half of it's developments teams are retarded. Where are the advanced settings? I can't use a browser that I can't tweak.
Last edited by Udedenkz on 13 Jun 2009 - 04:24
How many more until the EU file an anti trust suit against apple for including it in their OS
As to overall browser performance: I am running IE8, FF3.5 and Chrome. Their perfomance is ranked in that order in real-world usage on my PCs.
Am I going to download Safarti?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaah (ahem) ahahahahahaha
Plus, it's new so people will download out of curiosity. Chrome got much more downloads when it was new than it does now too. We'll see how big Safari's marketshare is when data is released in a couple of months by independent research
added: dont like the auto-updater, why push it in my face when i'm working, I get distracted enough!
C:\Documents and Settings\XXXXXXXXXXXX\Local Settings\Application Data\Apple Computer\Safari\Webpage Previews ? (enable see hidden files)
I only downloaded your buggy browser cos some customers ask for cross-browser compatibility. I am not an actual user of safari. Your products are full of **** please stop insulting the software market like this. Also please remove my download count
I only downloaded your buggy browser cos some customers ask for cross-browser compatibility. I am not an actual user of safari. Your products are full of **** please stop insulting the software market like this. Also please remove my download count
"W"
Lot of people are complaing about Safari beeing installed or updated by default. And they are right about it and i fully agree with them.
But the same people says in the thread about EU anti-trust case against MS that they don't see any problem with IE being installed automatically with Windows.
That's Neowin ...
Lot of people are complaing about Safari beeing installed or updated by default. And they are right about it and i fully agree with them.
But the same people says in the thread about EU anti-trust case against MS that they don't see any problem with IE being installed automatically with Windows.
That's Neowin ...
What is happening is like if Microsoft installed IE8 in Macs with an Office updater.
I don't mind Apple bragging about XX millions downloads, but the number comes highly from their software updater and average computer users that don't know what is it or why they need it.
The problem with the EU case is that they should suit Apple for their OS bundling with Safari. If they are allowed, Microsoft, should too.
As browsers goes, everyone is entitled their own opinion. I choose Firefox for a number of reasons, but I don't think IE8 or Opera are bad (I use IE8 from time to time). Safari and Chrome, well, they need more work and more features to compete out there.
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2244094/...hes-150-million
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