Downloading IE8 will help feed hungry Americans

Microsoft has announced that for every completed download of Internet Explorer 8, they will donate the financial equivalent of eight meals to the Feeding America network.

The campaign is called "Browser for the Better," and runs from June 10 and August 8. Only IE8 downloads from the specific "Browser for the Better" website will count. Microsoft will be donating $1.15 (their reported financial equivalent of eight meals) per download, to a maximum of $1,000,000.

Feeding America is the leading domestic hunger-relief charity in the U.S and provides services for more than 25 million low-income individuals. They distribute 2 billion pounds of donated food per year.

The campaign kicked off on Wednesday in New York and San Francisco with artists on hand constructing the Empire State Building and Golden Gate Bridge with food cans.

Actor Dean Cain is also involved in the campaign starring in a series of viral videos directed by Bobcat Goldthwait. These videos can be found on the "Browser for the Better" website, accessible by the panel on the right side labeled "F.O.M.S: Fear Of Missing Something". The videos are shorts which tout the features of IE8 and how it can solve many web-related maladies.

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Oyyee the internet makes my head hurt sometimes.

People bashing Microsoft for giving out funding to an organization in America.
People bashing Microsoft for giving out funding for food to boost IE 8 Usage.
People bashing Microsoft for being a monopoly and forcing people to use IE.
People bashing America for their education system.
People bashing America for thinking of their own country first.
People bashing America for list goes on....
People bashing other countries for god knows what.

Hey where's the political debate about how Obama is the worse president ever? We got your Microsoft bashing, your America bashing, your Apple bashing I'm sure somewhere in here, why not the Obama attacks yet?

Im waiting for Opera to file a lawsuit about this..HOW DARE THEY MONOPOLIZE THE CHARITY MARKET

wait..when has opera ever done anythin for anyone

Why not just donate the money, instead of tying it to downloading IE8? Companies always do stuff like this, expecting people to love them for it when it's really just a big marketing thing.

just download the freaking bloatware and uninstall it or delete it afterward. no dum-dums need to get panties all tangle up. everybody wins.

tell me what's wrong with this picture ...

microsh!t is donating meals and every idiots say "to each his own". yet the u.s. government is spending ****zillions causing wars, death and famines worldwide.

the gap in between this two scenarios seems to be filled to the reem with dumbf**kers ...

Albert said,
just download the freaking bloatware and uninstall it or delete it afterward. no dum-dums need to get panties all tangle up. everybody wins.

tell me what's wrong with this picture ...

microsh!t is donating meals and every idiots say "to each his own". yet the u.s. government is spending ****zillions causing wars, death and famines worldwide.

the gap in between this two scenarios seems to be filled to the reem with dumbf**kers ...


MS is doing a good thing.

This is a good thing what MS is doing. Some one said Charity beings at home, I agree with that completly.

FYI There is another web site

http://www.thehungersite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=1

No download click once on the button and food is donarted

This is a great promotion that Microsoft is doing, feed your own people. But they make a considerable amount of money from other regions in the world so maybe they should do this for other countries aswell.

maybe they would do better to do this for their antivirus or spyware apps seeing as people need that more than the latest incarnation of IE

The only thing I don't like about IE8 is that I can't find a way to disable the accelerator button. Does anyone here know how to do that?

Go to Tools > Internet Options > 'Advanced' Tab > In the list under the 'Settings' heading, look at the section that says 'Browsing' and uncheck 'Display Accelerator button on selection'.

That's it

i dunno.... firefox is getting worse by the minute....

i've switched to opera 10.


on the hungry people, i think if the obese could cut down a little, starvation in the world will be eradicated in no time.....

Sounds like a win-win for Microsoft and the needy. Even if google, apple, and the makers of opera became copy cats and pulled the exact same stunt as Microsoft in order to boost download numbers, it would still be a win-win situation.

I don't know what to say actually. If MS wants to spend $1,000,000 on the poor why not just do it? What's so special about downloading a software? It's not like they'll make money from downloading IE and they decide to "split" the money for donation.

Talk about bull****.

yes, because the entire tech community talking about the charaity they're putting their money towards isn't worth a penny...nope...

Ali Koubeissi said,
I don't know what to say actually. If MS wants to spend $1,000,000 on the poor why not just do it? What's so special about downloading a software? It's not like they'll make money from downloading IE and they decide to "split" the money for donation.

Talk about bull****.


They already did spend Millions not only Million giving away to Charities.

Remember the Firefox 3 download day? Basically the same thing, a promotion to get the number of downloads up, but I didn't see Mozilla giving away any cash to charity.

JHH said,
Remember the Firefox 3 download day? Basically the same thing, a promotion to get the number of downloads up, but I didn't see Mozilla giving away any cash to charity.

Yea, that would be true except Bill Gate and Microsoft have already given a LOT of money to charity without any requirements. So what if they get more IE8 downloads. IE8 is free so its not like we are paying for it.

Low tactics...whatever...watching out for ourselves, thats true if your the government.

It is cool that MS is doing this and its is a GOOD thing. However, if MS is doing this to increase market share and such....then that is not good.

Hak Foo said,
Well, it's easy!

Every time someone downloads IE8, God kills a kitten. That kitten can feed a family of eight.

WTH are you smoking? Mind sharing so we can all be on the same level? Seriously, explain yourself better because your post made no sense.

techbeck said,

WTH are you smoking? Mind sharing so we can all be on the same level? Seriously, explain yourself better because your post made no sense.


Perhaps you were unaware of the paragdime which the writer was operating. They are, and a quote:

Rule #1: Comedy doesn't need to explain itself to it's consumers.
Rule #2: Hecklers who demand that any any joke be explained are subject to ridicule.
Rule #3: The comedian may, at any time, choose to pie you in the face, and you must stand there and take it. One may eat the pie, but one may not hit anyone over the head with the pie plate.
Rule #4: If you don't understand these rules, see Rule #1.

Wonderful move by Microsoft, and an even better move that we're feeding our own country this time around at a time that people need it the most.

Worthy cause.

I'll download several times, since it doesn't seem to be against the rules.

Can't use any of them, since they don't offer a Linux client, but it's for a good cause.

C_Guy said,
Well, they call it 'Windows Internet Explorer' for a reason ;)

:P In this article and in the comments up to now, only you have called it by its full name.

Oh noes! Microsoft is using it's monopolistic powa to seduce moar dl's!

On another note, I completely agree to help our own residents of the United States first for once.

If you agree, then you shouldn't have made the first half of your comment. Although I detect some sarcasm in it :P

Raa said,
If you agree, then you shouldn't have made the first half of your comment. Although I detect some sarcasm in it :P

You know sarcasm doesn't have to apply to an entire comment, right?

Bout time somebody decided to help feed the millions of our own men, women and children right here in America; who are starving every night.

People have it in their heads that all Americans are fat and wealthy...nothing could be farther from the truth. It's just that the Government does a good job of sweeping them under the carpet.

Note from Bush: Everything tastes better deep-fired. Especialy kittens. Try one today! :)

*This message brought to you by TFK corporation, formerly known as the Texas Fried Kitten Company.

Canned stuff can be used in soup (adding water is cheap). Flour, cornmeal, dried grains and beans, can all be used as cheap components of a large meal. And yes, buying in bulk is cheap.

If you're alright with eating lentils and rice, with occasional vegetable sides, you can drop your food expenses to nearly nothing.

I also have to say that if Mozilla or Opera were doing such a promotion, everyone would be like, "Awesome, great idea, what a noble thing to do."

But since it is Microsoft, everyone is like, "OMG, CHEATZ!"

I agree. People are always so scornful to Microsoft, just because they're a large company, thinking that they're greedy *******.

Microsoft actually has the money to give, and it's nice to see that they're doing something.

neoraptor said,
how come $1.15 == 8 meals? Are they feeding them with sand?

it is the true price of food. the prices u see are for the sheeple that have no choice but to pay the markup.

I would of thought that 14c would just cover the cost of the steel in the cans. If its true that there are approx. 37 million people that rely on food banks then this program will supply 1/5 of them, 1 meal.

duritz said,
it is the true price of food. the prices u see are for the sheeple that have no choice but to pay the markup.

Yeah, all those damn sheeple buying food at grocery stores. They should all have their own farms like any free thinking person would.

Odom said,
Maybe they should launch this again when Windows 7 without IE bundled will be launched in the EU...

They put a $1m limit on it no matter how many downloads they get.

But it's US only, not EU, so why would Europeans care? Their downloads don't even count anyways? And I think MS isn't in any mood to give back to the EU, their already gonna be taking their money.

andrewbares said,
But it's US only, not EU, so why would Europeans care? Their downloads don't even count anyways? And I think MS isn't in any mood to give back to the EU, their already gonna be taking their money.

Because humans are humans, regardless of their location?

My god...

Odom said,
Maybe they should launch this again when Windows 7 without IE bundled will be launched in the EU...


Yeah, and they can download whatever browser they want to use. Oh wait, how will they download ... nevermind.

I agree with Jgrodri but I'm sorry if I sound a little ungrateful here and apologise to anybody if they think otherwise but... the second picture is taking it a little bit too far in my view. A common worker dressed in a boiler suite, showing paperwork to a rich well educated white guy whom is dressed in a... $5000 (probably more) suite to me is taking the mick? No really they should put the money to better use, Cancer Research for one, as one of the biggest killers worldwide.

I think this is the most outrageous idea Microsoft has ever had the ba**s to come up with... it's not even donating it's probably disposable tax which means they are not actually donating anything they are giving it away.
I'm getting of this topic before I blow a gasket.

nunjabusiness said,
Umm, RTFA much?

That is Bobcat Goldthwaite (not a common anything) and Dean Cain (actor)
Oh ... and hunger kills way more than cancer I am certain.


+1 People should be fed before they worry about curing cancer.

Look at it this way, solution for hunger is already here, solution for cancer is a long way off, or never going to happen. I would focus on solving hunger since it actually can be done.

One of the most ridiculous things Ive ever heard. If you are in America and are so poor you cant eat, that is your own fault. People come here from all over the world with less than nothing and horrific conditions and make great lives for themselves. Stop having kids you cant afford and pick friggin lettuce if you cant find anything else. There is no reason to go hungry here.

solardog said,
One of the most ridiculous things Ive ever heard. If you are in America and are so poor you cant eat, that is your own fault. People come here from all over the world with less than nothing and horrific conditions and make great lives for themselves. Stop having kids you cant afford and pick friggin lettuce if you cant find anything else. There is no reason to go hungry here.

Sorry, that is the most ignorant statement ever made on Neowin.

solardog said,
One of the most ridiculous things Ive ever heard. If you are in America and are so poor you cant eat, that is your own fault. People come here from all over the world with less than nothing and horrific conditions and make great lives for themselves. Stop having kids you cant afford and pick friggin lettuce if you cant find anything else. There is no reason to go hungry here.

kinda need to get over yourself, don't know your situation, but if you haven't walked in their shoes, then everything you just said is holier-than-thou bull****

oh yeah to the ones who say "well that money should go here... why are they spending that on this", MS is also a business, they are promoting their product, as any other company would do... all companies/businesses have been doing it for centuries, live with it

You must one of those "Socialism is teh devil!!!!!1!!!" people.
So helping out the less fortunate is ridiculous....fantastic attitude you got there.

solardog said,
One of the most ridiculous things Ive ever heard. If you are in America and are so poor you cant eat, that is your own fault.

What do you suggest all the laid off autoworkers and other skilled workers who have recently lost their jobs do now? They may get unemployment for a while, then what? How many lettuce picking jobs are there left now that illegal aliens have taken all of them?

There is a real problem in America, were are no longer able to compete with foreign manufacturers and foreign slave labor. The electronics industry is dead, the auto industry is on its last breath, the software and telecom industry is next. All we'll have left is Wall Street crooks, Hollywood coke addicts, and superfluous ivy-league MBA "project managers" that have no projects left to manage. This isn't business as usual, America is in real economic trouble.

KnightWolf said,
kinda need to get over yourself, don't know your situation, but if you haven't walked in their shoes, then everything you just said is holier-than-thou bull****

oh yeah to the ones who say "well that money should go here... why are they spending that on this", MS is also a business, they are promoting their product, as any other company would do... all companies/businesses have been doing it for centuries, live with it


Wow you're a moron. Sorry, but not everyone makes enough money to stay fed. Just because you live in America doen't mean you're better off than in all the other countries.

Not all poor people are slackers or bums. Some truly can't make a living due to reasons that are out of their control, and I understand the need for helping them. However, I don't agree with helping people who spend all their money on stupid things (sneakers, cadillacs with rims, grills, jewelry, etc.) and can't afford food as a result. Similarly, I have little sympathy for those who have 15 kids, with the full knowledge that they can't afford to feed them. Use birth control, or if contraception is against your beliefs, just don't **** so damn much.

Jimmy422 said,

Wow you're a moron. Sorry, but not everyone makes enough money to stay fed. Just because you live in America doen't mean you're better off than in all the other countries.

might wanna re-read what your quoting... lol

we need to styart growing our own fruits and vegetables. it is almost like we all forgot that humans invented farming... why rely on someone else??? go get some seeds for 99 cents and plant them in ur damn yard.

Jimmy422 said,

Wow you're a moron. Sorry, but not everyone makes enough money to stay fed. Just because you live in America doen't mean you're better off than in all the other countries.

lol wat

Jimmy422 said,

Wow you're a moron. Sorry, but not everyone makes enough money to stay fed. Just because you live in America doen't mean you're better off than in all the other countries.

Whoops, quoted the wrong thing. My apologies to KnightWolf :P

Downloading (despite already having it installed as I run Windows 7) just so MS can give away some of its money to those in need.

mwpeck said,
Downloading (despite already having it installed as I run Windows 7) just so MS can give away some of its money to those in need.

yea every1 should just keep downloading it... its not like they don't have billions....

Me too. Downloading a 18 MB file so that 8 people can eat is definitely worth it. Microsoft is an amazing company. (I'm not being sarcastic btw)

That's a ****ing low tactic Microsoft is resorting to, using peoples' guilt and compassion to spread IE. Are they that desperate to get their failing browser out?

DanielZ said,
That's a ****ing low tactic Microsoft is resorting to, using peoples' guilt and compassion to spread IE. Are they that desperate to get their failing browser out?

Yes, their failing (#1 ) browser

DanielZ said,
That's a ****ing low tactic Microsoft is resorting to, using peoples' guilt and compassion to spread IE. Are they that desperate to get their failing browser out?


I dont thionk this is aimed at firefox/opera/other browser users. I think its more to get people upgrading from IE5(!!)/6/7

DanielZ, what you think that is all they are thinking about is getting their browser out to the public. Reread the article it evens mentions different personalities giving a hand. This isn't about browsers it is about getting food out to those who are in need. For crying out loud people there is a recession on; about 9.25 million people out of work, and that number is growing each day. Let me ask this question: How is it going to hurt you if you download the browser to help someone in need even if you never use the browser? Would you do the same if it was Firefox, or Apple's Safari? This is going to help upwards of twenty-five million people who are in need, so go download the browser to help these individuals then delete the program.

DanielZ said,
That's a ****ing low tactic Microsoft is resorting to, using peoples' guilt and compassion to spread IE. Are they that desperate to get their failing browser out?

Yes, it's *very* low indeed, and obviously they're indeed that desperate for people to download IE8 by pressuring people into it using guilt.
Downloads of IE8 must be way below what they expected them to be, for them to resort to such dirty measures.

Pam14160, I do not believe you are right on.

This is very much about browsers. If it wasn't then they would have just donated the money as a show of good faith. But no, the ***** require people to download their browser, else it won't happen. They are quite simply doing it to further their own goals. To reiterate an earlier point, I can understand if they simply donated the money without any conditions, even if they made an event out of it and showed off to the media, fine I don't care. But it's the fact they are guilt tripping people into downloading software, and if they don't no money goes to the charity.

If you are truly into helping these people out, don't download the program and further Microsoft's exploitation of a charity, give the meagre $1.15 and you will have succeeded in giving to charity while not having been forced into downloading Microsoft's program to do it.

Despicable it is...

(They've put a maximum on it too >_>)

Wow, criticizing Microsoft even for this? Even if you can't see past biased hatred for a company you can at least give credit where credit is due.

C_Guy said,
Wow, criticizing Microsoft even for this? Even if you can't see past biased hatred for a company you can at least give credit where credit is due.

(snipped) If you read my comment properly you can see my rationale and logic, but clearly you couldn't process it and jumped to the conclusion I must hate Microsoft.

I don't understand how people don't understand this.

Nice - Giving money expecting nothing in return
Shifty and morally questionable - Using charity to further business needs, and if the business needs are not met, then there is no charity.

The Stylish Hobo said,
(snipped) If you read my comment properly you can see my rationale and logic, but clearly you couldn't process it and jumped to the conclusion I must hate Microsoft.

I don't understand how people don't understand this.

Nice - Giving money expecting nothing in return
Shifty and morally questionable - Using charity to further business needs, and if the business needs are not met, then there is no charity.


Step one: don't insult people.

In the meantime, how is getting people to upgrade IE a bad thing?

considering this comes after Apple announces the 11 million safari 4 downloads, I don't see how anyone even could say that!

It reminds me of product RED, another business opportunity with a charity coverup.

nunjabusiness said,
Yes, their failing (#1 ) browser

Yeah, and how did they get there? Forcing people to update, and selling it with their OS. It is not like many went out and downloaded it, now is it. And still ie6 is bigger than ie8....what a joke. When will the spineless americans actually do something like this, we have the Europeans leading the way and standing up to this illegal practise, but the americans lay down, like scared mice.

DanielZ said,
That's a ****ing low tactic Microsoft is resorting to, using peoples' guilt and compassion to spread IE. Are they that desperate to get their failing browser out?


Erm, failing? you tried ie8 yet? i moved from firefox to ie8 now, i love the browser it browses the web, keeps me secure and does what i want.

DanielZ said,
That's a ****ing low tactic Microsoft is resorting to, using peoples' guilt and compassion to spread IE. Are they that desperate to get their failing browser out?


You mean that failing number one web browser in the world. That is the one that you are talking about, right? The number one browser in the world; which is used in some version or another by just under 90% of the world's population. That is the one you are referring to, right? Just checking.

DanielZ said,
That's a ****ing low tactic Microsoft is resorting to, using peoples' guilt and compassion to spread IE. Are they that desperate to get their failing browser out?

SPREAD IE? who said anything about installing it? All you have to do is download it then you can do whatever.

The Stylish Hobo said,
Pam14160, I do not believe you are right on.

This is very much about browsers. If it wasn't then they would have just donated the money as a show of good faith. But no, the ***** require people to download their browser, else it won't happen. They are quite simply doing it to further their own goals. To reiterate an earlier point, I can understand if they simply donated the money without any conditions, even if they made an event out of it and showed off to the media, fine I don't care. But it's the fact they are guilt tripping people into downloading software, and if they don't no money goes to the charity.

If you are truly into helping these people out, don't download the program and further Microsoft's exploitation of a charity, give the meagre $1.15 and you will have succeeded in giving to charity while not having been forced into downloading Microsoft's program to do it.

Despicable it is...

(They've put a maximum on it too >_>)

They already do "simply donate money". So by your analogy all of the walks and runs for the different cancers and what not should stop too. It's not all that uncommon for a company to require your participation in order for them to donate.

I agree completely.
Most of the replies on your comments are totally biased themselves.

This is morally questionable.

All you people saying it's the "best browser around" cause it has the most market share should think about all the companies using IE by default. That doesn't mean at all that it's a better browser. Most companies still use IE5 without tabbed browsing. That proves my point I guess.

i think thats very nice of them, but that money could do a lot more good in Southeast asia, some andean states or a few sub-saharan countries

jgrodri said,
i think thats very nice of them, but that money could do a lot more good in Southeast asia, some andean states or a few sub-saharan countries


why? a starving Asian is somehow worse than a starving American?

jonhapimp said,
Gotta take care of ourselve before we can help them


Thank you. Thank you. Charity has to start at home. America has been so enveloped in solving the World's problems that we have neglected those in need in our own "backyard." There are still hundreds of people in the Gulf states without homes. I truly believe that it is time that we step back from the world stage, and allow others to contribute. We need to focus our efforts at home.

bradsday said,
Thank you. Thank you. Charity has to start at home. America has been so enveloped in solving the World's problems that we have neglected those in need in our own "backyard." There are still hundreds of people in the Gulf states without homes. I truly believe that it is time that we step back from the world stage, and allow others to contribute. We need to focus our efforts at home.


World wide software, why not world wide hunger. Another good reason to dislike americans.

SonicSam said,
World wide software, why not world wide hunger. Another good reason to dislike americans.


You're one of the reasons I'm glad our money is staying at home where it belongs. People with attitudes like yours are always bitching about the US, but when it comes time you need help (or your weak nation) the first place you go is... the US.

SonicSam said,
World wide software, why not world wide hunger. Another good reason to dislike americans.

one your are ignorant if you think that way
two Microsoft is from America, Bill Gates american balmer american
and its people like you need who needs stfu, you wouldn't be anywhere with out america

bradsday said,
Thank you. Thank you. Charity has to start at home. America has been so enveloped in solving the World's problems that we have neglected those in need in our own "backyard." There are still hundreds of people in the Gulf states without homes. I truly believe that it is time that we step back from the world stage, and allow others to contribute. We need to focus our efforts at home.

I agree, America would do much better if it focused on itself a little more. I mean it's so selfless when it comes to refusing to sign the kyoto agreements, illegally invading other countries in "self defence", and stockpiling enough nuclear armaments to destroy the world several times over.

Maybe America should focus on itself, rather than on causing the rest of the world problems, but I'd rather see this money go towards improving your education system. Maybe then, at the very least, you wouldn't have over 60% of your population disagreeing with evolution.


jonhapimp said,
one your are ignorant if you think that way
two Microsoft is from America, Bill Gates american balmer american
and its people like you need who needs stfu, you wouldn't be anywhere with out america

I always find it funny how those supporting America have worse spelling and grammar, not to mention chaotic logically incoherent arguments.

By your logic we should be ever grateful to Germany for providing us Einstein, England for Isaac Newton or any other country that ever produced anyone who contributed anything of note to the pool of human knowledge and achievements.

If they hadn't made those discoveries, someone else would have. If Microsoft didn't exist, something else would have taken it's place.

None of that excuses the American governments/peoples failings in modern times.

jonhapimp said,
Gotta take care of ourselve before we can help them

This statement is considered racism in Sweden.

Nihilus said,
I agree, America would do much better if it focused on itself a little more. I mean it's so selfless when it comes to refusing to sign the kyoto agreements, illegally invading other countries in "self defence", and stockpiling enough nuclear armaments to destroy the world several times over.

Maybe America should focus on itself, rather than on causing the rest of the world problems, but I'd rather see this money go towards improving your education system. Maybe then, at the very least, you wouldn't have over 60% of your population disagreeing with evolution.

I always find it funny how those supporting America have worse spelling and grammar, not to mention chaotic logically incoherent arguments.

By your logic we should be ever grateful to Germany for providing us Einstein, England for Isaac Newton or any other country that ever produced anyone who contributed anything of note to the pool of human knowledge and achievements.

If they hadn't made those discoveries, someone else would have. If Microsoft didn't exist, something else would have taken it's place.

None of that excuses the American governments/peoples failings in modern times.


Most charitable country in the world but does that make an impact on an ignorant hater like you? No. Sad thing is, you're probably an American leftist, nut job. Kyoto agreement?? Are you nuts? Why would we sign something that would greatly hamper our ability to have enough energy to survive? And all this for an unproven bit of science that is greatly debated even inside the science community? Maybe we should send the money abroad to help finance some schooling, if you truly are from another country, so that maybe your ignorant, tree hugging, inbred self can maybe learn a little something. With comments like yours I have no problems believing SOME of us evolved from chimps. Ain't that right little chim chim?

nbtc971 said,
Most charitable country in the world but does that make an impact on an ignorant hater like you? No. Sad thing is, you're probably an American leftist, nut job. Kyoto agreement?? Are you nuts? Why would we sign something that would greatly hamper our ability to have enough energy to survive? And all this for an unproven bit of science that is greatly debated even inside the science community? Maybe we should send the money abroad to help finance some schooling, if you truly are from another country, so that maybe your ignorant, tree hugging, inbred self can maybe learn a little something. With comments like yours I have no problems believing SOME of us evolved from chimps. Ain't that right little chim chim?

I did not disagree that the American public are very charitable when it comes to making large monetary donations in support of foreign causes, in fact I think they donate more than any other developed nation. That wasn't my point.

Your claims that global climate change is "unproven science" certainly do prove my point rather well though, you guys need a real education system. Apparently you also fall into the group that do not believe in evolution? Try doing some research on it.

Anyway, there is no debate on evolution or the negative impact of co2 emissions in the scientific community*. Period. You want to argue, do some research first.

And if signing the Kyoto agreements would have rendered you unable to survive, how is it that the 150+ nations that did sign still linger on?

*Having said that, there are arguments on the severity of the impact we've had on our environment. They range from bad to worse.

P.S. I'm not an American, so wrong guess, sorry.

epple said,
This statement is considered racism in Sweden.

Then sweden obviously doesn't know the definition of racism. It could be considered bigoted, but to be considered racists is just silly.

Nihilus said,
Anyway, there is no debate on evolution or the negative impact of co2 emissions in the scientific community*. Period. You want to argue, do some research first.

There is a debate on anthropogenic global warming, but not on global climate change as that would just be stupid since we see the climate change ever 3 months.

stokhli said,
There is a debate on anthropogenic global warming, but not on global climate change as that would just be stupid since we see the climate change ever 3 months.

"In recent usage, especially in the context of environmental policy, climate change usually refers to changes in modern climate (see global warming)."

Nihilus said,
"In recent usage, especially in the context of environmental policy, climate change usually refers to changes in modern climate (see global warming)."

I know what he means but it needs to be specified as anthropogenic because if you are talking about something done by man you need to be specific as I'm pretty sure there was global climate change well before man even came about on this planet.

stokhli said,
I know what he means but it needs to be specified as anthropogenic because if you are talking about something done by man you need to be specific as I'm pretty sure there was global climate change well before man even came about on this planet.

Yes, but not every three months. You were deliberately misinterpreting me. You're now making a completely different point. And anyway, as I said; "there are arguments on the severity of the impact we've had on our environment".

Some people argue that the climate would have shifted regardless of human behaviour, and that we've just accelerated and exaggerated the severity of the change. I agree with that.

No serious scientist would argue any more that we have not had *some* impact, and most models tend to agree we've made things much, much worse for ourselves.