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Opera 'will reinvent the web' on June 16

James7   on 13 June 2009 - 17:52 · 81 comments & 13245 views

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A mysterious web page, called "Freedom" in its URL, has appeared on Opera's site making the rather bold claim that, "[o]n June 16th at 9:00 a.m (CEDT), [the Norwegian company] will reinvent the Web." This sounds like hyperbole, but it has got people all over the Internet talking.

Some believe that this is the date the final for Opera 10 will be released, but others say that, however much promise that new version holds, it is unlikely to "reinvent the Web." Others speculate that it has something to do with Turbo, a manner of compressing web pages so that they load faster. The presence of clouds on the "Freedom" page has got some thinking that Opera is about to do something important with cloud computing.

One Opera employee writes enigmatically on Twitter, "We've put the internet on a USB stick so that you can always have a connection wherever you are!"

Checking the source code for the "Freedom" page exposes part of a hidden message that is slowly being revealed. As of today (June 13), the secret message reads: "We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer. Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things. But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers...".

Whatever the case, we are promised a webcast on June 16 in which Opera will tell us what it is all about. With the mystery and the growing hype, many will be counting on them to deliver something sensational.

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(12 replies) #1 Mike415 on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:12
Opera usually has innovative stuff. Im interested, but will probably be disappointing sadly.
#1.1 Marshalus on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:15
Yeah, my beef with Opera right now is the moaning they're doing to the EU about Internet Explorer. Welcome to 1997 people. They have a good product and usually come up with interesting things, they just need to find a way to promote it better.
#1.2 Chasethebase on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:20
Marshalus said,
Yeah, my beef with Opera right now is the moaning they're doing to the EU about Internet Explorer. Welcome to 1997 people. They have a good product and usually come up with interesting things, they just need to find a way to promote it better.


+1 MS actually did enough, Opera should stop trying to force their product onto consumers, but if you want to discuss it take it to the thread.
#1.3 JoeC on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:21
Admittedly, they are, and I don't like their doing it, but so are most other browser vendors. It's just a big old "me-too".

I use Opera as my main browser, but I don't really have any preference other than "I'm used to it"

On the product side, I do remember they were working on a server-based technology which pushes data as it becomes available, instead of the client having to request it - that could have big implications in auto-updating things which use AJAX to send back to the server infrequently (such as BBC Sport's live commentary on matches, etc).
#1.4 Jugalator on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:58
Mike415 said,
Opera usually has innovative stuff. Im interested, but will probably be disappointing sadly.

The teaser page makes me think of a cloud service from the words and imagery, perhaps something to compete with Google App Engine, and Microsoft Azure. But then again, that wouldn't be very innovative, so I dunno.. *shrug*

Edit: Oh, I didn't see the bit about the Twitter status first. Well, in that case, and with "everyone a server", it's definitely some decentralization technology. "Internet on a USB stick" indicates a USB version of, uh, some software... Perhaps P2P-related technology building on a serverless protocol a la Kademlia? I don't get "Internet on USB" from the viewpoint that wireless networking is already here, and so are installation free browser setups. What would the point of a new software be? And it would again not be innovative.

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#1.5 Lord Ba'al on 14 Jun 2009 - 01:27
Mike415 said,
Opera usually has innovative stuff. Im interested

I'm also interested, but I'll reserve my judgement until whatever it is comes out in two days on the 16th.
#1.6 Pallab on 14 Jun 2009 - 06:57
Jugalator said,
The teaser page makes me think of a cloud service from the words and imagery, perhaps something to compete with Google App Engine, and Microsoft Azure. But then again, that wouldn't be very innovative, so I dunno.. *shrug*

Edit: Oh, I didn't see the bit about the Twitter status first. Well, in that case, and with "everyone a server", it's definitely some decentralization technology. "Internet on a USB stick" indicates a USB version of, uh, some software... Perhaps P2P-related technology building on a serverless protocol a la Kademlia? I don't get "Internet on USB" from the viewpoint that wireless networking is already here, and so are installation free browser setups. What would the point of a new software be? And it would again not be innovative.


I believe you are right. It probably has something to do with the clouds. Opera 10 may be released on that day but its definitely not just about Opera 10. Neither is it about Turbo.
#1.7 cakesy on 14 Jun 2009 - 08:11
Marshalus said,
Yeah, my beef with Opera right now is the moaning they're doing to the EU about Internet Explorer. Welcome to 1997 people. They have a good product and usually come up with interesting things, they just need to find a way to promote it better.


Yeah, how dare they want to compete fairly... the should just choose another business, maybe outside of IT, since Microsoft illegal tying isn't just going to stop now. What a joke, Microsoft does something illegal, but we should all just forget about it and move on... forget about the fact that opera is about 100x better than anything Microsoft has even written. It is faster, smaller, with more functions than ie. Plus, they invented tab browsing, while microsoft just copies badly. What a joke...
#1.8 Beastage on 14 Jun 2009 - 13:38
cakesy said,
Yeah, how dare they want to compete fairly... the should just choose another business, maybe outside of IT, since Microsoft illegal tying isn't just going to stop now. What a joke, Microsoft does something illegal, but we should all just forget about it and move on... forget about the fact that opera is about 100x better than anything Microsoft has even written. It is faster, smaller, with more functions than ie. Plus, they invented tab browsing, while microsoft just copies badly. What a joke...


What? x100 better than anything MS written? like OS? like Silverlight? like office suite? maybe exchange?

Oh noes, opera invented tab browsing, which everyone use, including firefox but somehow firefox managed to grab a market share ... is it because MS promoted firefox or something?

Opera (firefox and chrome too) are hypocrites, on their built in search box they have google, ask, yahoo and others but no bing/live... where is my choice? Opera also makes money from mobiles browsers, HTC have a deal with them on WinMo devices, yes WINMO! another MS product Opera profiting on and another deal with Samsung.

Do you know how many WinMo phones HTC and Samsung sell?! bucketloads!
#1.9 +dead.cell on 14 Jun 2009 - 13:49
Oh please. How did Mozilla overcome it then? At roughly 23%, they are not small by any means. Google just started their browser and, while they've done a massive job on advertising Chrome, it is indeed a very nice browser to use. Looks great, functions great, and apparently doesn't need a boatload of features to pass up Opera either.

The point I'm trying to make here is that, you can bitch about the need to "compete fairly", and I'll certainly agree with you. However, I don't find changing something every OS has (that is, a built in web browser) to be fair, especially when it involves promoting companies that are in direct competition with them. It doesn't make sense. So what if IE dominates? Firefox pushing it this far back has done a great job in getting Microsoft to actually pay more attention to their browser and change it to offer a better experience. Who wins here? We do. We got a nicer browser which will push other companies to keep up their game. I'm sure Mozilla doesn't want their market share to drop considering they've come this far. We can only expect them to push great things and create new and brilliant ideas. While Opera may have come up with some of these good ideas, it's amazing how badly a company with so much to offer can essentially screw up so badly.
#1.10 rm20010 on 14 Jun 2009 - 20:09
Pallab said,
I believe you are right. It probably has something to do with the clouds. Opera 10 may be released on that day but its definitely not just about Opera 10. Neither is it about Turbo.


Opera 10 hasn't had a release candidate yet. Why would the final build be out this soon?
#1.11 Neoauld on 14 Jun 2009 - 20:33
whatever it is it will be a good idea, and then some other browser can do it better so that we dont have to use that crappy presto engine
#1.12 Pallab on 15 Jun 2009 - 05:42
rm20010 said,
Opera 10 hasn't had a release candidate yet. Why would the final build be out this soon?


They have skipped the RC build on a few occasions in the past.
#2 Victor V. on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:37
I'm betting it will be very innovative, but I doubt it'll "reinvent the web". I sure do hope some big improvements are done.
#3 jmc777 on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:38
I've heard that it's going to be some kind of fish-based product. Whatever it is, I'd put money on it not living up to the hype.
#4 FoxieFoxie on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:38
It will be a new technology demonstration, stay tuned for livecast
#5 neowinid on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:43
<meta name="description" content="The Web is your browser. Discover how fast and fun the Web can be."/>

<meta .... new browser, fastest, beta" />

Just version 10 (beta), introducing Turbo.
#6 dfuk on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:46
Opera 10 portable edition?
(1 reply) #7 +what on 13 Jun 2009 - 20:50
I'm expecting this to be a bad case of overhype.
#7.1 Jugalator on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:59
what said,
I'm expecting this to be a bad case of overhype.

They don't use the hype stuff in advance though, so it's a bit confusing IMHO. Bold words, lol.
#8 Frank Fontaine on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:06
Opera wouldn't make the claim that their browser 'reinvents' or 'takes back' the web, they aren't Mozilla. I doubt personally it is related to the launch of Opera 10 but I hope whatever it really is lives up to the hype
(1 reply) #9 Rolith on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:11
"This time...We're going to sue Microsoft... TWICE!"
#9.1 cakesy on 14 Jun 2009 - 08:13
I will guess they need to sue Microsoft the first time before they can do this... but don't let facts get in the way...
#10 MightyJordan on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:14
One Opera employee writes enigmatically on Twitter, "We've put the internet on a USB stick so that you can always have a connection wherever you are!"

Yeah, it's called mobile broadband.
#11 EddiePwnsYou on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:18
<meta name="keywords" content="Opera, browser, internet browser, web browser, browsers, browser download, browser software, free browser, web browsers, webbrowser, best browser, secure, new browser, fastest, beta" />
#12 LAMj on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:18
They integrate torrent to its core so that the web will never die because there are literally massive mirrors of them. OK that a load of shetz, but it probably be something to cloud computing.
(2 replies) #13 neoraptor on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:20
it sounds to me like distributed web servers (CDN)
#13.1 toadeater on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:22
neoraptor said,
it sounds to me like distributed web servers (CDN)


Or p2p of some kind?
#13.2 Magallanes on 15 Jun 2009 - 13:37
toadeater said,
Or p2p of some kind?


AFAIK, currently opera support bittorrent protocol.
#14 rseiler on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:21
They're going to announce that after 13 short years they've zoomed to 1% worldwide marketshare.
(2 replies) #15 Xionanx on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:25
LAMj and neoraptor might not be far from the truth; ever heard of "freenet"? It would be interesting if Opera found a way to do it better and simply intergrated it into a browser.
#15.1 Joshie on 13 Jun 2009 - 22:53
I thought about that when I read LAMj's comment, too. But something like freenet would make governments very nervous, once they understand how it works and how difficult it makes it to monitor anybody's actions. There's a reason all kinds of hardcore illegal material abound on those servers.

I've got nothing against that degree of freedom and anonymity. You have to take the bad with the good, and torrenting mp3s isn't exactly 'bad' enough to provide that kind of balance. But man, law enforcement would be pitiful for years, playing catch-up and trying to find ways to regulate it short of shutting it down.
#15.2 Joe USer on 14 Jun 2009 - 00:57
Xionanx said,
LAMj and neoraptor might not be far from the truth; ever heard of "freenet"? It would be interesting if Opera found a way to do it better and simply intergrated it into a browser.


I was thinking the same thing. P2P web, where the client is also serving to other local clients.
#16 Glendi on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:30
xHTML 2.0 and x/HTML 5 browser

#17 +Killerj on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:34
Well you see the cloud. I see those lightning too. I guess they wanna show the fastest browser till date.

But is that reinventing? So i guess i am wrong. I can wait till June 15th :p
#18 Solid Knight on 13 Jun 2009 - 21:42
Reinvent? So they're going to make the same thing we already have?
(2 replies) #19 vetEmuZombie on 13 Jun 2009 - 22:54
Introducing Opera Online! Our very own private network. We'll start by mailing you tens of thousands of USB sticks that will include the software needed to connect.

The software itself is completely free! However, you will need to pay an hourly or monthly access fee. But don't worry, you can see how great our service is because we'll give you a 10 hour free trial! All you have to do is sign up with a valid credit card.

If you do not call us to cancel before your 10 free hours are up, we'll automatically enroll you in our standard $23.99 unlimited access plan. In fact, even if you do call to cancel, after we harass you on the phone to continue using our service, we might forget to actually cancel your account so you will have access and be charged anyway! Should we actually cancel your account, make sure you don't accidently open the program and log in again, that gives us permission to charge your credit card and enroll you in our standard service plan.

Our online service won't include access to the internet at first, but that's okay, you won't need it! When we release Opera Online 2.5 we will integrate a web browser that allows you to view outside websites, but not use any other applications that connect to the internet. That is a future enhancement planned for Opera Online 3.0! Well finally allow you to use other applications to connect to servers online, but we'll still require you to use our application to connect and it must remain running. This will take very little resources, which equals around 2GB of ram and 40% constant cpu time.

Be sure to look out for Opera Online 4.0 where we'll make a drastic change in how our service looks and only take up around 3GB of ram and 60% cpu time!
#19.1 nunjabusiness on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:09
I saw what you did there!
lulz
#19.2 CarlosMiguel on 14 Jun 2009 - 02:15
EmuZombie said,
Introducing Opera Online! Our very own private network. We'll start by mailing you tens of thousands of USB sticks that will include the software needed to connect.

The software itself is completely free! However, you will need to pay an hourly or monthly access fee. But don't worry, you can see how great our service is because we'll give you a 10 hour free trial! All you have to do is sign up with a valid credit card.

If you do not call us to cancel before your 10 free hours are up, we'll automatically enroll you in our standard $23.99 unlimited access plan. In fact, even if you do call to cancel, after we harass you on the phone to continue using our service, we might forget to actually cancel your account so you will have access and be charged anyway! Should we actually cancel your account, make sure you don't accidently open the program and log in again, that gives us permission to charge your credit card and enroll you in our standard service plan.

Our online service won't include access to the internet at first, but that's okay, you won't need it! When we release Opera Online 2.5 we will integrate a web browser that allows you to view outside websites, but not use any other applications that connect to the internet. That is a future enhancement planned for Opera Online 3.0! Well finally allow you to use other applications to connect to servers online, but we'll still require you to use our application to connect and it must remain running. This will take very little resources, which equals around 2GB of ram and 40% constant cpu time.

Be sure to look out for Opera Online 4.0 where we'll make a drastic change in how our service looks and only take up around 3GB of ram and 60% cpu time!


Really you can reinvent the web that way hahaha
(1 reply) #20 KavazovAngel on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:09
Opera integrated in the European version of Windows 7? Is that the reinvention of the web?
#20.1 Jugalator on 14 Jun 2009 - 00:00
Likely not :p
(4 replies) #21 Frank Fontaine on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:16
About time I used the inbuilt image blocker to take care of those stupid "Boycott Opera Software" banners
#21.1 nunjabusiness on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:24
I must already have mine on - I don't see a single "boycott opera software" banner.
#21.2 epilepsynweed on 14 Jun 2009 - 00:52
Frank Fontaine said,
About time I used the inbuilt image blocker to take care of those stupid "Boycott Opera Software" banners

Catching feelings for a web browser?

You may need to go outside more...
#21.3 CarlosMiguel on 14 Jun 2009 - 02:19
Frank Fontaine said,
About time I used the inbuilt image blocker to take care of those stupid "Boycott Opera Software" banners


Your using image blocker just because they boycott Opera. I think your ears will clap if you see IE boycott image, and will call them no stupid.
#21.4 Frank Fontaine on 14 Jun 2009 - 11:17
No, I am using it because I am sick of seeing those stupid images, and FYI I still use IE so stop being a childish little troll
#22 zagor on 13 Jun 2009 - 23:30
If this is the Opera that we have come to know for a time, I am sensing an innovative law suit!
j/k
(2 replies) #23 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#23.2 Pallab on 14 Jun 2009 - 07:05
You just dont get it do you? Opera isn't asking MS to unbundle IE with windows.

I guess you should then boycott Mozilla, Google, IBM, Nokia, Sun, Adobe, Oracle, and others who have joined Opera.

Uninstall Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome. Blacklist Google search.Make sure you never touch Adobe Flash based products or Adobe Photoshop again. And dont even look towards a mobile phone by Nokia
#24 xpclient on 14 Jun 2009 - 01:53
Think outside the browser...standalone...à la Mozilla Prism. Or maybe Presto will go open source.
#25 Hak Foo on 14 Jun 2009 - 02:02
What I'm amazed nobody's doing:

Bayensian (sp?) filtering on a block level.

If I keep marking off stupid posts as things I don't want to see (i. e. Boycott Opera), it will eventually style them display:none by default.
#26 PatrynXX on 14 Jun 2009 - 03:07
gotta love it.. someone start reading the source code. Can always or almost always get something extra reading the source code.

just a few addon's in addition to the picture
<meta name="description" content="The Web is your browser. Discover how fast and fun the Web can be." />
(I assume they've come up with a browser that'll speed things up)
then this next one

<!--
We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer.
Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things.
But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers ...
-->
(5 replies) #27 C_Guy on 14 Jun 2009 - 03:07
Sorry, Opera, this isn't going to distract people from your EU whining for very long. You've got a lot of growing up to do so get started.

Besides, if you were truly capable of "reinventing the web' then you wouldn't need to cry to the EU about your next-to-nothing browser marketshare now would you?
#27.1 boobless on 14 Jun 2009 - 03:12
So why aren't you whining about Google and Mozilla, who joined Opera in this "EU whining"?
#27.2 FoxieFoxie on 14 Jun 2009 - 06:57
boobless said,
So why aren't you whining about Google and Mozilla, who joined Opera in this "EU whining"?


Because Opera started it.
#27.3 surrealvortex on 14 Jun 2009 - 07:14
Oh! Enough guys! They are doing what they want to improve market share. It is not as if they are doing something illegal. They are taking a legal route and that is really their prerogative. Because Opera started it? Real mature there! While I don't particularly agree with the lawsuit, it is not enough reason for me to stop using it.

Besides, it is not as if they have never done anything truly innovative.
#27.4 Calum on 14 Jun 2009 - 08:13
FoxieFoxie said,
Because Opera started it.

That's a silly way to look at it. No matter who started it, they all have the same views on the matter and are all following in Opera's footsteps.
#27.5 PatrynXX on 15 Jun 2009 - 22:10
C_Guy said,
Sorry, Opera, this isn't going to distract people from your EU whining for very long. You've got a lot of growing up to do so get started.

Besides, if you were truly capable of "reinventing the web' then you wouldn't need to cry to the EU about your next-to-nothing browser marketshare now would you?


cept it's the only browser that works. I use Flock and Opera. Flock to buy stuff and Opera to browse pix and read the news and say read this site. Loads faster.
#28 RealFduch on 14 Jun 2009 - 03:07
More non-standard proprietary CSS "extensions"?
(2 replies) #29 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#29.1 RealFduch on 14 Jun 2009 - 09:22
Microsoft has no right to bundle Firefox with Windows!!! Oh, wait...
#29.2 +dead.cell on 14 Jun 2009 - 13:52
I love Firefox, but that's just dumb...
(1 reply) #30 skynetXrules on 14 Jun 2009 - 10:03
it is the date that opera would be bundled with Windows :rollingeyes:
#30.1 crankenstein.exe on 14 Jun 2009 - 20:16
skynetXrules said,
it is the date that opera would be bundled with Windows :rollingeyes:


I'm sure that is what Opera is thinking
#31 shortyg32 on 14 Jun 2009 - 12:44
installing latest beta now so im ready for the new internet lol
#32 ArKeYa on 14 Jun 2009 - 13:46
Opera can play the hype game too. Hope it works for them. Great features out of the box with no maintenance needed. I also use Firefox because of a single greasemonkey script I cannot do without.
And those boycotting Opera, go ahead it's your lost.
#33 gonzo68 on 14 Jun 2009 - 15:14
Opera will probably announce the release of version 10 and make a big case of the turbo mode
(1 reply) #34 xUnix on 14 Jun 2009 - 15:29
dudes, Opera is a piece of crap... just that.
#34.1 DarkNovaGundam on 14 Jun 2009 - 15:56
xUnix said,
dudes, Opera is a piece of crap... just that.


Opera is not a piece of crap. Its decent, not my top choice (i'm a microsoft nut) but its very nice compared to other browsers.
#35 _dandy_ on 14 Jun 2009 - 15:30
Hyperbole much?

Something tells me that "reinventing the web" would have to involve a whole lot more than just some client software...
(2 replies) #36 TSO on 14 Jun 2009 - 16:45
Opera, Try reinventing yourself before you go after reinventing the web. A better logo would be a good place to start
#36.1 Neoauld on 14 Jun 2009 - 20:36
TSO said,
Opera, Try reinventing yourself before you go after reinventing the web. A better logo would be a good place to start

but its not their fault, its the entire internet
#36.2 jase chaos on 14 Jun 2009 - 23:24
Haha. +1

I hate the Opera Logo. But that's just my opinion on it.
#37 vetLOC on 14 Jun 2009 - 21:35
They are going to announce they are being bought by Microsoft.
(1 reply) #38 Kojio on 15 Jun 2009 - 03:05
I know what they're doing.

They are going to release a "Web O/S" or an online operating system. Since most computers have the ability to boot from a USB device, this O/S will simply act as a dumb terminal that utilizes your network card to connect to the internet, where you can login to your account. They probably will have some sort of "online desktop" where you can create shortcuts to various web applications, like email, google docs, etc. It's like taking Google's Chrome browser to a new level.

Or.. I could be wrong. :-P
#38.1 Vakerorokero on 15 Jun 2009 - 08:51
I agree, this must be it.

Freedom from Microsoft.
#39 Seismo on 15 Jun 2009 - 08:04
I bet it will not be that interesting than it seems to be. We all know those marketing verdicts. They are nothing more than hot air.
#40 kimatg on 15 Jun 2009 - 10:09
The red in their page hurts my eyes.
#41 Comic Book Guy on 15 Jun 2009 - 12:57
Well, if they make the first browser that can surf the Semantic Web, then they'll change the way people surf the Web, of course it is then up to the W3C & Web Developers to start building sites that use Semantic Web code, etc.
#42 +JMann on 15 Jun 2009 - 13:01
Edit: I give up trying to get things to work.

There is a comment in the HTML code as well, but it won't let me paste it in here.
#43 Magallanes on 15 Jun 2009 - 13:39


but still i have some hopes.
#44 Antraxek on 16 Jun 2009 - 07:25
Opera Unite: a Web server on the Web browser

http://unite.opera.com

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