As news has been crossing the Internet on Apple CEO Steve Jobs' liver transplant, the new iPhone 3GS has been released and sales for the handset are booming. According to news posted on various websites, including MacDailyNews figures for the first three days of sales have reached an astonishing one million units. In addition to this, the new 3.0 version of the iPhone software has been downloaded over six million times, just five days since its release.
Initial forecasts by Wall Street analysts, as to initial sales numbers, were estimated to hit only 500,000 units, however this number was since re-evaluated to 750,000 by Piper Jaffray's Gene Munster according to early sales indications, comments from carriers, and lines at retail stores being "more positive" than he had anticipated.
When the first iPhone was released in 2007, it took Apple 74 days to achieve one million units sold, this drastic shortening in sales temporally shows just how popular Apple is in terms of its iPhone.
Steve Jobs commented on this telling the press: "Customers are voting and the iPhone is winning, with over 50,000 applications available from Apple's revolutionary App Store, iPhone momentum is stronger than ever."
The BB was way too limited for my needs. I could't find any descent apps that i needed on the iphone and then discovered all these things were allready available on the Winmo environment.
No multitasking and no copy paste added some negative points to the iphone for me at that time, the lower res screen didn't cut it and I got used to writing on my PDA screen using a stylus and for me that was quite essential on a business phone. This was not possible on the iphones capacitive touchscreen and since it can get quite cold here i would also like to be able to keep my gloves on while operation the phone.
Never tried an android phone so i don't have an opinion on that one.
A buddy of mine is happy with his iphone so it's all about personal taste and what you want to use it for.
Mainly I need a phone for texting, the ocassional call and the web. A nice to have is GPS other than that...can't think I need anything else on a phone.
Mainly I need a phone for texting, the ocassional call and the web. A nice to have is GPS other than that...can't think I need anything else on a phone.
I had concerns about typing on an onscreen keyboard. I went from a push-button qwerty keyboard (Samsung u741 or whatever), but the keys were really small, to an iPhone last Friday. At first I struggled with the onscreen keyboard, but am now getting use to it and find it more comfortable than my old Samsung keyboard. One thing I noticed is that if I type fast on it, everything works fine. It is when I type slow and deliberate that my words are misspelled due to erroneous keystrokes. The iPhone has the ability to correct your erroneous keystrokes for you by making assumptions of what you are trying to type and is quite brilliant at it.
Want a touchscreen? Ok. Don't want a touchscreen? Ok. Want an on-screen keyboard only? Ok. Want a QWERTY keyboard? Ok. Want to have lots of buttons on your phone so that gaming is a better experience? Ok. Want to have a limited number of buttons so the phone looks cleaner? Ok. Want to have a huge screen? Ok. Need it to be real small? Ok.
Etc, etc. Windows Mobile has the most possibilities and for productivity is probably your best bet.
Etc, etc. Windows Mobile has the most possibilities and for productivity is probably your best bet.
You are right, but forget that winmo os is absolute rubbish. The hardware is very versatile, but the software stinks.
Etc, etc. Windows Mobile has the most possibilities and for productivity is probably your best bet.
You are right, but forget that winmo os is absolute rubbish. The hardware is very versatile, but the software stinks.
Yep, spot on. I say go for the iPhone. I'm getting the 3Gs for my birthday!
How many are the same iPhone users just upgrading over and over, and how many are new first time owners thus showing growth? It's an honest question to look at.
How many are the same iPhone users just upgrading over and over, and how many are new first time owners thus showing growth? It's an honest question to look at.
I'd say fair chunk of the 1m is new users, as a lot of people I know who have an iPhone are tied into a contract and the price to upgrade is too much.
Plus I know a number of people have moved to new iPhone based on its better camera etc etc + 3.0 software is what a lot of people have been waiting for.
At the end of the day each device is paid for so new or old apple makes money.
I'm pretty positive that it will be as fast as the new iPhone 3G S and it should have the new digital compass.
But about a photo and video camera? I'd like to know for sure! I'd love GPS on it but I think it's impossible
Maybe this phone sells because apple finally designed a smartphone, that is well a smartphone and not some piece of crap that lacks the features every other phone in the world has. Still no multitask though...
*yawn*
Maybe this phone sells because apple finally designed a smartphone, that is well a smartphone and not some piece of crap that lacks the features every other phone in the world has. Still no multitask though...
*yawn*
If they added multitasking then everyone would complain that their battery life has now gone to ****. So they can't win.
Maybe this phone sells because apple finally designed a smartphone, that is well a smartphone and not some piece of crap that lacks the features every other phone in the world has. Still no multitask though...
*yawn*
If they added multitasking then everyone would complain that their battery life has now gone to ****. So they can't win.
I don't think many complain over Pre's battery life. After all, if you're to get complains (lack of multitasking VS battery life) you might as well go for multitasking. Besides, you don't HAVE to multitask 24/7 but its nice to have it when needed. So the whole battery life argument is weak to say the least.
Apple just wants to hold back multitasking till next year. Then when they release multitasking, they'll look like they built a whole new phone and everyone will have to get it. Honestly, that's what they did with Copy/Paste, MMS, etc. That's what they always do.
Apple just wants to hold back multitasking till next year. Then when they release multitasking, they'll look like they built a whole new phone and everyone will have to get it. Honestly, that's what they did with Copy/Paste, MMS, etc. That's what they always do.
Sorry bud, not this time. They have come up with so many reasons why they don't include it, and they have not done that with copy/paste or MMS or any other feature you think they did it with. Copy/paste was a feature it did not have and they never came up with a reason to not have it, same as MMS. Maybe years from now when technology gets better and graphics and processing speed for mobile devices gets better, we will see an iPhone with the multi-tasking feature. Until then, they can't have it. They will not say one thing and go against it, that's a hypocrite then. Plus, push notifications are extremely nice to have, they are the best solution, I can see them holding up for years even when multi-tasking does come to the iPhone.
You're right about MMS, but just partially right about Copy/Paste.
They wanted it done right the first time and they did not know how to implement it with a touch interface, that's why. They said that in a keynote if I remember well, in a period of questions.
They wanted it done right the first time and they did not know how to implement it with a touch interface, that's why. They said that in a keynote if I remember well, in a period of questions.
Because selecting, and pressing copy/cut is just so hard....
Maybe this phone sells because apple finally designed a smartphone, that is well a smartphone and not some piece of crap that lacks the features every other phone in the world has. Still no multitask though...
*yawn*
If they added multitasking then everyone would complain that their battery life has now gone to ****. So they can't win.
I charge my tilt once every 3 days, and thats with multitasking, touchflo 2d, calls and texting. So the battery arguement is kindoff stupid
You are not counting the times where it has crashed on your pocket, and you have no idea... I guess you could call it a feature, since it doesn't use any battery life. Shame if anyone wants to contact you on it.
Windows mobile has never ever crashed on me or anyone else I know off.
Really?? Ok, so I am guessing that Windows 98/2000 has never crashed on you, you have never seen a blue screen of death, and virgins spread rose petals before your every footfall?
I was more expecting someone to blame it on the drivers...
At that point, though it doesn't hurt your bottom line since you're selling units regardless, are you really growing your market as fast as the numbers lead you to believe? In this case, there is a difference.
I wasn't trying to imply that there is anything wrong with this - I just think it would be an interesting tidbit of information. I guess I like to see the entire picture is all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0
Well its nice to see iphone crossing 1million mark in just 3days. Thats a top achivement for Apple and its customer faith. Next Yrs WDDC10 wolud be much bigger & much futuristic.
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Well its nice to see iphone crossing 1million mark in just 3days. Thats a top achivement for Apple and its customer faith. Next Yrs WDDC10 wolud be much bigger & much futuristic.
How about you list us on what apple innovated exactly.
iPhone sells that good because its very good at what it does. Instead of trying to do everything possible they focused on the pure basics and did them very well. Besides that you have an army of fanboi followers that would buy anything Apple makes.
Other smartphones are massively more sophisticated out there so no, Apple hardly innovated with the iPhone.
Threaded SMS was Palm's idea. Touchscreen: Palm, WinMo, etc. Web browser: Skyfire, Opera Mobile, etc. Multitouch: Microsoft Surface.
They weren't innovative at all. Oh and I guess no video recording was pretty innovative, eh? As the guy above said, they just did a few certain things good, but nothing new.
Threaded SMS was Palm's idea. Touchscreen: Palm, WinMo, etc. Web browser: Skyfire, Opera Mobile, etc. Multitouch: Microsoft Surface.
They weren't innovative at all. Oh and I guess no video recording was pretty innovative, eh? As the guy above said, they just did a few certain things good, but nothing new.
apple did touchscreen on a mobile the way it should have been done in the first place.
palm's first touchscreen device=bad
apple's first touchscreen device=good
apple figured, "hey, if these idiots can't do it right, then we will"
(not an opinion^) sales numbers, check em out..
Threaded SMS was Palm's idea. Touchscreen: Palm, WinMo, etc. Web browser: Skyfire, Opera Mobile, etc. Multitouch: Microsoft Surface.
They weren't innovative at all. Oh and I guess no video recording was pretty innovative, eh? As the guy above said, they just did a few certain things good, but nothing new.
apple did touchscreen on a mobile the way it should have been done in the first place.
palm's first touchscreen device=bad
apple's first touchscreen device=good
apple figured, "hey, if these idiots can't do it right, then we will"
(not an opinion^) sales numbers, check em out..
Umm, no? You can't even write on your iPhone touchscreen. You can't even use it without special gloves! You can't even get any precision, cuz there's no stylus! And having an all-touchscreen device limits gaming greatly.
Threaded SMS was Palm's idea. Touchscreen: Palm, WinMo, etc. Web browser: Skyfire, Opera Mobile, etc. Multitouch: Microsoft Surface.
They weren't innovative at all. Oh and I guess no video recording was pretty innovative, eh? As the guy above said, they just did a few certain things good, but nothing new.
apple did touchscreen on a mobile the way it should have been done in the first place.
palm's first touchscreen device=bad
apple's first touchscreen device=good
apple figured, "hey, if these idiots can't do it right, then we will"
(not an opinion^) sales numbers, check em out..
Umm, no? You can't even write on your iPhone touchscreen. You can't even use it without special gloves! You can't even get any precision, cuz there's no stylus! And having an all-touchscreen device limits gaming greatly.
what? have you used an iphone? maybe your hands are deformed?
Can you explain me why I can? Yes, without making any mistake. Did you use it for just 10 seconds or you really gave it a shot?
And a touch screen interface, limiting games? On the contrary, game programmers can put buttons wherever they want, and there's still the accelerometer that works as a nice control too. Games who really used the touch screen interface on the iPhone are simply gorgeous, you have CLEARLY never tried one.
I actually enjoy playing the games.
Let's Golf, Sim City, Paper toss. fun easy games. Better on the iPhoen than any other device I've used.
The iPhone is a superb package - it's just a great user experience. I'm still quite happy to discount WinMo as being painfully unenjoyable in terms of usability based on my hands on testing of an HTC Touch Pro a month or two ago. I was ready to throw it across the room, and I know that the person who owns it feels the same way about it - as does every other person I know who's tried it. The G1 looks excellent though "feels" more of a flimsy product - but the folks I know who have them love them. I would like a bit more hands on time with one of those. Not seen a Palm Pre yet but, again, would like a chance to try one out.
The mobile phone market is really interesting at the moment and it seems to have really hotted up since Apple joined the race. It's impossible to deny that the market had stagnated a little prior to the iPhone launching. Improvements were most definitely evolutionary, not revolutionary - and just look how far it's all come now in the last couple of years - it really put the cat amongst the pigeons and has inspired other phone manufacturers to step up their game.
Even if you hate the iPhone, you have to be thankful for the fact that it's made all the other vendors wake up and start making better products. And that's what competition is all about.
I will agree with that. In the phone market I need a device that just works, all the time, every time I try and use it. Computers, I'm less picky about
Then you should try a Nokia E series.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=787698
You know, the constant trolling by certain members of the anti-Apple crowd around here, and the fact that the mods on this site absolutely refuse to do anything about it, is one of the reasons that the quality of this site has gone WAY downhill over the last few years.
Oh come on, there are always 2 sides to a coin. Don't blindly refuse to acknowledge the fact that for every anti-Apple person theres also an Apple fan trolling MS related news.
Plus, the quality of this site has gone WAY downhill because suddenly EVERYTHING apple-related and not necessarily tech related (see: jobs' health news) is news-worthy material.
It's funny we hear the exact same thing from the MS side... and when we start to "censor" them, we turn into Nazi's. We just can win apparently.
We either remove the comments and people complain, or we keep the comments and people complain.
I looked through the entire post just for this quote to laugh at.
We either remove the comments and people complain, or we keep the comments and people complain.
I totally on the removing comments one. People complain regardless, so why bother cleaning them up. Besides, no one likes their opinions to be removed for reasons they don't see fit, no matter how idiot-looking their opinions are.
Just so many toys all packed into one.
Nope, only on a Pre, WinMo, or Blackberry phone (or any other smartphone, basically).
Nope, only on a Pre, WinMo, or Blackberry phone (or any other smartphone, basically).
hmm, and how many of those toys are available for download on a pre, wimo, or blackberry? if it's close to 50,000. you might have an argument here!
Though I can't help but notice how the Pre beats the 3G hands down, making the 3GS seem more like a direct release to counter the Pre. Nothing wrong with that though, but I figure if the Pre wasn't much of a threat we wouldn't see a 3GS this soon.
Nope, only on a Pre, WinMo, or Blackberry phone (or any other smartphone, basically).
hmm, and how many of those toys are available for download on a pre, wimo, or blackberry? if it's close to 50,000. you might have an argument here!
Well for just my Wing phone (WinMo), and just on Handango (an app store), there is currently 6,015 apps out. Also, on your iPhone, you can't get a better web browser, because of Apple's restrictions! Ever heard of Skyfire? It has full Flash, Silverlight, and more support! You cannot get that on an iPhone.
Nope, only on a Pre, WinMo, or Blackberry phone (or any other smartphone, basically).
hmm, and how many of those toys are available for download on a pre, wimo, or blackberry? if it's close to 50,000. you might have an argument here!
Well for just my Wing phone (WinMo), and just on Handango (an app store), there is currently 6,015 apps out. Also, on your iPhone, you can't get a better web browser, because of Apple's restrictions! Ever heard of Skyfire? It has full Flash, Silverlight, and more support! You cannot get that on an iPhone.
great point, not having flash is really a bummer for iphone. I'm not sure why people can't make browsers and release them on cydia.
Though I can't help but notice how the Pre beats the 3G hands down, making the 3GS seem more like a direct release to counter the Pre. Nothing wrong with that though, but I figure if the Pre wasn't much of a threat we wouldn't see a 3GS this soon.
a new iphone comes out every june/july.
That's why I aint getting iPhone for - Flash support!
As for WinMo, it's not all that hard to code for since it's basically Windows with a few tighter limits on the hardware side. But no messy restrictions like Apple has on it's side. Sure having all the WinMo apps in one store would help, and MS is trying to do this, but I'm sure there are quite a load of different apps scattered around the net.
Ok, I'm giving you that. But don't say Safari is bad on the iPhone, I've tried a few browsers and have seen a few demonstrations comparing Safari Mobile with other mobile browsers for other phones, and they're simply not there. Safari is.
About Flash and Silverlight, it's too bad that both of them really suck. They eat up the whole processing power of any device, they're slow and sluggish as hell, and it's retarded to make a Flash-only website when there are great Web 2.0 technologies like CSS2 and CSS3 and AJAX and PHP and SQL.
It IS a downside, I'm giving you that, but just because there are some stubborn webmasters who decide that Flash is their main platform on the website. In fact, it sucks, we have to get real about it.
But they've still been pretty clever. YouTube is Flash-only, but they've developped an app for that. The most popular website that uses Flash has no restriction at all on the platform of the iPhone, who does not support flash
About Flash and Silverlight, it's too bad that both of them really suck. They eat up the whole processing power of any device, they're slow and sluggish as hell, and it's retarded to make a Flash-only website when there are great Web 2.0 technologies like CSS2 and CSS3 and AJAX and PHP and SQL.
It IS a downside, I'm giving you that, but just because there are some stubborn webmasters who decide that Flash is their main platform on the website. In fact, it sucks, we have to get real about it.
But they've still been pretty clever. YouTube is Flash-only, but they've developped an app for that. The most popular website that uses Flash has no restriction at all on the platform of the iPhone, who does not support flash
You obviously have never ever used Skyfire. Because with skyfire, the flash/silverlight etc isn't rendered on the phone. It's rendered on the server and streamed to the phone. So the server handles the rendering.
Performance loss? None at all. And theres youtube apps for windows mobile, and have been for a while now.
Please explain why safari is better
Quality doesn't come from scarcity. If you have one tip calculator or level app, how do you know what's good? Having 5 to 10 apps for each function, brings quality -- the best app of its type hopefully rises to the top. Competition (everyone loves competition) makes rival apps better.
As an FYI. I was updating my 3G 16GB Iphone to the 3.0 software so I can sell it. I placed the SIM card into it just to test and it disabled my Data Package and sent information to AT&T and changed my plan. I had to have it reactivated from an AT&T service person. Apple has AT&T on a short leash. Apple's data package is only for Apple. I think that should be illegal as Blackberry and Data phones use the same plan and can be interchanged for the most part. I am not sure about the Blackberry networks since they use different access points.
Apple uses a specific Apple only access point and that is what messes up the phones if you try to insert a sim with that is not Iphone activated.
What if my Iphone went out and I had a blackberry or a internet capable phone? I can't use it because Apple said so. I would have to ask for a new data service to get it to work or register a new IMEI and then have to put it back once it is fixed?
Such a crock. I can't wait for Zune HD and then my Ipod will be sold as well.
WTF are you talking about? They've been here for years. Ever heard of the AT&T Tilt? It's 3G, and it's by HTC. Same goes for the Fuze, among others.
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Those are killer phones, and HTC Touch Pro 2 should be out July 22nd on T-Mobile in the US. I can't wait! Returning the Pre for the HTC.
i would get a Samsung i7500 Galaxy or a Samsung S8000 Jet instead of a overprice and under speced iphone 3G/S
both Samsung phones has superior display aka OLED, a better 5MP Camera with PowerLED Blits, both samsung phones has support for MicroSDHC, so that you can upgrade the 8GB built in storage upto 40GB!
the S8000 Jet also has a way faster CPU than the hmm old-NEW iPhone 3GS
the Samsung i7500 has a OPEN operating system made by you guessed it Google! also known as Android
Hehe, I'm getting a Sony RX400 that runs Windows Mobile 6.5 !!!
Oh wait......
Anything anti-iPhone or anti-apple is a good comment for you. Got it ! You should at least recognize that it's a nice, functional, and fully-featured phone, and an awesome package for the deal.
I can send text messages while listening to music etc.
I can send text messages while listening to music etc.
like dp213 said, in any app if you double push the home button the iphone, it brings up the ipod music controls without leaving the app, I guess thats one of the rare cases where the iphone has multitasking. When I mentioned multitasking, i mean going from program to program without having to open the program again, like the palm pre has a screen where you can swipe left and right through programs that are running.
Please comment!
Please comment!
An official MSN client from MS would be a godsend. I'm not paying $10+ for an IM app just to talk to my friends via a free chat service.
If only MS would get off their asses and release one. But alas, they can't even do MSN for Mac right after 10 years, so meh.
I'll patiently wait for the Adium Team.
*Yes I know there are a few free IM chat apps for the iPhone, but generally they suck. The decent ones charge $10+ :|
Yahoo messenger, and AIM are great. Unfortunately MSN dominates in Canada.
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Of course plenty of people will have bought it to keep up with the Jones's. Why would a phone be any different to ANY other thing which people buy in the persuit of one-up-manship? Why do people buy the absolute most bleeding edge video card which costs like $600 and gives them an extra 3fps in a video game they might play once every couple of weeks? Why would some folks buy Vista Ultimate over Home Premium when they don't need any of it's features?
People are just like that. They can't wait to get on the internet and brag about it. The iPhone is just like any other consumer product which people want to be proud enough to boast about. And rightly so, because it's a great piece of kit
Normally I would have no issues with saying that ( phones move on after all ) but when I see people chomping on the bit and upgrading for a phone that adds little more than dull standard smart phone features that should have been included from the start it goes kinda make you hang your head in shame.
They have sorted some of the caveats in this one that would have stopped me buying one but unfortuantly
1) No Multi Tasking ( Bash this how you with its a must )
2) No Keyboard - After having a QWERTY device then going back to a non one I will say this is a must for me. Ive used a variety of touchscreen keyboards including the iPhones they simply are not up to scratch yet (although improving)
3) Camera - Can't comment on quality and I know most of the camera flashes are a bucket of balls however even a pansy led flash for night close-ups. Not played with the video recorder yet but HD recording at a decent length would be nice.
Other than that it simply comes down to choice. I want my phone to be usable on the network I choose, On the tariff I wan't with the length I want and not the networks Apple say I can with the "special" iPhone contract that was good value in 1996.
I want to be able to install and use apps written by anyone for any purpose and not what apple says I can. i know your phone can be jail broken but why should we? You wouldn't except these restrictions on your PC and neither will I accept them on my phone.
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