No Windows 7 upgrade option in the EU

Today Microsoft announced the pricing of Windows 7. As previously reported on Neowin, the EU will be getting a version that will not contain IE and because of this Microsoft will be offering no upgrade option in the EU.

This harsh line comes as somewhat as a surprise that all EU users that wish to upgrade to Windows 7 must buy a full copy. There is a silver lining to this announcement and it's that the full price of Windows 7 will be at the equaliviant price to the upgrade option. But as history has shown us the prices in the EU are generally more expensive than of those in the States so the savings of picking up an EU copy may not be all that attractive to those who reside in the US.

However, as a result of not having a retail upgrade option, EU users will be unable to perform in-place upgrades of Windows Vista to Windows 7. Microsoft says they expect to have a dedicated Windows 7 E upgrade SKU available before December 31, 2009.

"Microsoft had three choices for the release of Windows 7 E: delay the whole release of Windows 7 to make sure everyone gets the release of Windows 7 at the same time and without any upgrade problems, delay the release of Windows 7 just in Europe and have this market wait till Windows 7 E passes all upgrade tests, or don't offer upgrade versions at all."

Microsoft still has not said if any browser will ship with Windows 7, at one point it was rumored that it may offer a browser selection screen at some point during the install to allow the user to choose a default program of choice. Regardless of what they do the install process just got a little longer in the EU because of their strong anti-trust governing body.

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I hope the EU is happy. No one is forcing anyone to use Microsoft products. Seriously. There are other solutions out there, so the whole "Windows is more popular" thing is getting old. After how many years of MS being on top in the OS world you would think people would have jumped on the monopoly thing quicker. The reality is that the EU and even some individual states in the USA are greedy and want to cash in on some of that money now. It wasn't a problem back then, but it is now.

When the day comes that someone produces software that will trump what Windows can do on a PC level for the majority of the user base, let's just hope they don't see dollar signs and sell out like other companies have done. These smaller companies have allowed companies like MS to grow by selling out to them when they have something unique. Sucks, because we all know MS could really jack those companies around with their "power" and money but in all reality we all have kinda allowed this to happen, directly and indirectly.

metro said,
I hope the EU is happy. No one is forcing anyone to use Microsoft products. Seriously. There are other solutions out there, so the whole "Windows is more popular" thing is getting old. After how many years of MS being on top in the OS world you would think people would have jumped on the monopoly thing quicker. The reality is that the EU and even some individual states in the USA are greedy and want to cash in on some of that money now. It wasn't a problem back then, but it is now.

How much does the MS pay you to post such bs to these news? EU does not do this for money, those fines are just drop in the ocean. EU Budget in this year is over 130 billion wich is just a percent of the whole GDP.

leesmithg said,
EU is not a democracy and has un-elected leaders.

Why is it that every anti-EU person is from the UK?

Yeah, we know you "had an empire" - it fell apart, get over it. You're just a little island now and part of the rest of the team.

daPhoenix said,
Why is it that every anti-EU person is from the UK?

Yeah, we know you "had an empire" - it fell apart, get over it. You're just a little island now and part of the rest of the team.

Because UK people are one of the most uneducated people in europe when it comes to EU. And dumb US-led media of them throws gasoline on fire. Simple question to ask ask people such as leesmithg is "who are these un-elected leaders of EU?" I mean people who use power in EU are the parlamnet and the goverments of the nations.. and they both have good democratic backing for their power.

daPhoenix said,
Yeah, we know you "had an empire" - it fell apart, get over it. You're just a little island now and part of the rest of the team.


Butthurt much?

Because UK people are one of the most uneducated people in europe when it comes to EU. And dumb US-led media of them throws gasoline on fire. Simple question to ask ask people such as leesmithg is "who are these un-elected leaders of EU?" I mean people who use power in EU are the parlamnet and the goverments of the nations.. and they both have good democratic backing for their power.

As a british person, I must protest. You claim we are the most uneducated people in europe, yet we have some of the best universities in the world, mostly filled with british people. We have the mother of all democracies, who now seems to like giving our sovreign rights as a nation to the EU.

HughW said,
As a british person, I must protest. You claim we are the most uneducated people in europe, yet we have some of the best universities in the world, mostly filled with british people. We have the mother of all democracies, who now seems to like giving our sovreign rights as a nation to the EU.

I meant that when it comes to EU-subject. And your post confirms that by claiming that your country gives its right away without realizing that there is no eu over its memberstates. Sometimes i'd hope that UK eurosceptics would read at least wikipedia article about this subject before opening their mouth. Would that be too much to ask?

Remember the days when the US had a Facist and Conservative government, and the EU was the Liberal counter that many in the world was looking to in place of US leadership in world affairs?

Wow, how a few months and a couple of elections can change the world...

So much for the EU ever becoming a credible political or economic body outside of the EU, they are shoving themselves down a hole of intolerance and conservative protectionism that is making even people in the USA cringe.

The US moves away from right wing nuts and the EU runs to them. Weird...

This is not good for the 'average user', although I hope it teaches them a valuable lesson, that back-ups should be made and that clean installs are the better option. I doubt it will, though. Too many of the 'average user' are just going to think "Well, I want all my files and stuff, if I can't upgrade, I'll stick with Vista...". It's a shame, but I doubt they'll think about back-ups and clean installs, even if they're told.

Obviously this wasn't Microsoft's fault - it's what they had to do. Whether it is the EU's fault, as well, I'm still deciding - I have no idea whether they are right or wrong with their case.

...and who can blame them?
The EU arw throwing their toys out of the pram and MS responded by taking those toys away.
I'm also glad that MS chose to do this rather than delay the launch.

Thankfully i always buy a full OEM copy anyway.

Thanks for nothing EU not only have you wasted millions in the courts you have made things worse for us. i bet you wernt expecting this to happen were you. dumbasses

"There is a silver lining to this announcement and it's that the full price of Windows 7 will be at the equaliviant price to the upgrade option."

Yeah, this is sooo horrible...
Not having crappy IE8 by default AND cheaper? Awful.

This isn't an EU regulation, since the investigation is not even over!
This is only MS trying to offer a crappy solution that they think will make everything OK again.

It's better this way with no browser than to be forced to include other browsers, or come up with some kind of browser choosing screen. Both of which are just as bad, if not worse than having no browser in the box at all.

Any of this BS wouldn't happen at all if the EU would simply let Microsoft decide what's included in their own operating system.

Nexx295 said,
Any of this BS wouldn't happen at all if the EU would simply let Microsoft decide what's included in their own operating system.

Every country and every bloc has always had regulations what can be sold to people and what can not, why should the dominating operation system be different? It actualyl confuses me that how can these kids pick a side of microsoft, private corporation thats only reason for existence is make money over EU who just tries to make sure that no unfair practices take place.

I think people are complaining that they can't stick in an upgrade dvd to their Windows Vista PC to do an in-place upgrade.

However, you can still install 7 over vista but you will have to reinstall applications and it gets a bit messy.

Also, it is only an upgrade license so you need to have an older OS license first. This is different to the identical but higher priced Full product as that can license up to 3 separate machines

ThomMcK said,
Also, it is only an upgrade license so you need to have an older OS license first.


Where did you read this sir? All I've seen is "full versions at upgrade prices"; nothing about the type of license.

Well it's common sense I guess jmc777, Microsoft are hardly going to give out a full version of Windows 7 but only charge an upgrade price without some kind of license check to ensure you've got a valid prior version.

John Curran, Windows business lead at Microsoft UK from above BBC article (a slightly more reliable source than neowin ;-)

"In Europe, the full version will be priced as if it were an upgrade version if bought by an existing Windows licence holder.

In the UK the upgrade version of the Home Premium edition of Windows 7, available to those with an existing Windows license, will be £79.99.
By contrast buying this in a shop, and which can be installed on more than one machine, will cost £149.99.

WINDOWS 7 UK UPGRADE PRICES
Home Premium - £79.99
Professional - £189.99
Ultimate - £199.99

ThomMcK said,
John Curran, Windows business lead at Microsoft UK from above BBC article (a slightly more reliable source than neowin ;-)

"In Europe, the full version will be priced as if it were an upgrade version if bought by an existing Windows licence holder.

In the UK the upgrade version of the Home Premium edition of Windows 7, available to those with an existing Windows license, will be £79.99.
By contrast buying this in a shop, and which can be installed on more than one machine, will cost £149.99.

WINDOWS 7 UK UPGRADE PRICES
Home Premium - £79.99
Professional - £189.99
Ultimate - £199.99


These prices are for limited time only after which they go up. Check out the article on PC Pro.

TCLN Ryster said,
Well it's common sense I guess jmc777


Yeah you're right. I probably shouldn't read/think/reply whilst eating dinner and sending a bunch of text messages.

(I'm having fish fingers tonight for anyone interested)

save that kind of nonsense for twitter jmc777
I'm off down the pub now, bye ... love you ...bye ... no you hang up first ...

Brad Sams, sorry to say this but you need to do your homework. MS will provide IE8 CD's with all EU versions. This was confirmed a couple weeks ago in a statement to PC Pro so your last paragraph is wrong.

One more point I'd like to make is that sadly neowin news writers have for the past month or so been pretty slow to report news that has already either been reported by other neowin members or other forums days and sometimes weeks before it makes the front page here as is the case with this news article.

Ah well... I really can't blame Microsoft for taking this decision. I don't LIKE it, and I'm pretty ****ed at the twats in the EU commission who forced them into taking this route, but I fully understand Microsofts position.

Not everyone in the EU agree's with what the EU do, you know. In fact, many of us would like OUT of the bloody thing...

The only benefit I and many other people see with the EU is that we can go in and out of any EU country without any sort of visa and stay there for as long as we want and also that we can bring back as much stuff as we want.

Apart from that theres not much else we really see and I don't think it's worth the hassle being in the EU brings.

lee26 said,
The only benefit I and many other people see with the EU is that we can go in and out of any EU country without any sort of visa and stay there for as long as we want and also that we can bring back as much stuff as we want.

Apart from that theres not much else we really see and I don't think it's worth the hassle being in the EU brings.


Then I suggest you and others read up? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

FloatingFatMan said,
Not everyone in the EU agree's with what the EU do, you know. In fact, many of us would like OUT of the bloody thing...

If you are from UK then i can tell you that many of us on continent would also like you to leave. I mean whats the point? If you _really_ want to leave then go, just dont expect any free rides.

from the BBC news site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8118749.stm

A Commission spokesman dismissed Microsoft's claim that it was taking the action to comply with European laws.

"The essential point of our case is consumer choice," said the spokesman.

"We would want to look extremely closely at the terms under which Microsoft is making Internet Explorer available to computer manufacturers," he said.

"If the effect of the technical separation of Windows and Internet Explorer is neutralised by particular terms and conditions they offer to manufacturers to install Internet Explorer, they're no better off."

The preferred remedy for Europe, he said, was to offer users a screen when they first switch on Windows 7 that gives them a choice between IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari or Opera.

"For them to claim that this is somehow imposed by the Commission or is going to resolve the problem with the Commission is far from clear," he said.

"It's certainly not because we've asked them to do it."

So now Microsoft are making it worse for themselves and they can't even blame the EU!!! Plus the fact the EU says that this does nothing to stem any investigation it all seems a pointless waste of time, effort and money.

ThomMcK said,
So now Microsoft are making it worse for themselves and they can't even blame the EU!!! Plus the fact the EU says that this does nothing to stem any investigation it all seems a pointless waste of time, effort and money.

Hardly. Preventative measures are better than having to deal with it afterwards.

This harsh line comes as somewhat as a surprise that all EU users that wish to upgrade to Windows 7 must buy a full copy.

This is not true!
Directly from the article on the BBC News site:
In Europe, the full version will cost the same as an upgrade version.

In the UK the upgrade version of the Home Premium edition of Windows 7, available to those with an existing Windows license, will be £79.99.

By contrast buying this in a shop, and which can be installed on more than one machine, will cost £149.99.


Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8118749.stm

So the way I see it, there will stil be upgrade PRICING in the UK (and I presume the rest of the EU) but everyone will have to do a full install. Presumably those purchasing an upgrade will have to prove they've got a qualifying previous version.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the UK is not part of the EU. For some reason something I read the other day indicated this to be the case. And, if the UK is separate from the EU then if wouldn't be included in the EU program. Thanks for any insight.

The UK is part of the EU my friend (as much as I wish we weren't). I think you're getting confused with the European single currency, the Euro. The UK hasn't joined that yet, however we are part of the EU.

I think this is so funny and I applaud Microsoft for finally deciding to start firing back at the EU.

They are getting tired of this crap about being told they need to make it easy for Firefox/Opera to get their browser onto people's computers

I will admit that if I was Bill Gates, I would start phasing out support totally for the EU. Not worth the hassle and expense. Of course, that is why I will probably never be that rich.

Haha, you Americans make me laugh. Painting Europe as bad ass mother****ers who will sue everything that moves!
The United States are #1 in the world for one thing and that's making up the most absurd lawsuits. Compare a European manual with one for the US...

I do have to admit that the EU was wrong to sue Microsoft for the browser monopoly thing. But the reaction of Microsoft is really like a 6 year old. I can't do this, you won't be able to do that...
Microsoft was already losing some of the market share and I am pretty shure this won't help them. Or at least it will refrain users from upgrading from XP to Win7...

Hey, doing what the EU and their idiotic supporters do best: complain but offer no solution! Nice job. Don't offer any more evidence for the stereotype that Europeans whine too much.

Yeah, MS haters will be MS haters. The first awesome OS Microsoft has done in 8 years, and you are complaining.

Have you seen just how much Microsoft pays to the EU due to these "problems"? More than you and your children will earn your entire life.

And yes, people will ditch XP and install 7. Because the new features are just too useful.

wessleym said,
Hey, doing what the EU and their idiotic supporters do best: complain but offer no solution! Nice job. Don't offer any more evidence for the stereotype that Europeans whine too much.

Sometimes, y'know, there aren't quick and simple solutions to everything. There's nothing wrong with complaining if you don't have a solution.

It's all about levelling the playing field and on the home front there is reasonably healthy competition from other browsers like Firefox, Safari, Chrome etc.

I think the EU is trying to unleash the grip IE has in the business market. IE6 is still pretty much the horrid standard right now because IE was deeply ingrained with Windows. Only way to free that is this tough route of separating IE from Windows which brings another point up.

IE should be a separate program but the trident engine is still tied somewhat with other parts of the OS. Should that not be rectified by Microsoft to make IE a truly stand alone program which would mean no issues with other Windows features.

From a home user point of view, I think it's a rather unfair on Microsoft but on the business side, I think it may be a good idea for everyone.

The playing field is already level. Anyone running any version of Windows can replace IE at any time with anything else.

OEMs can choose to install any browser and set it to default instead of IE.

This is true for any Windows released anywhere in the world. Anything else would make the playing field unfair to Microsoft.

So, you would rather Microsft knuckle under? There were two major problems with the EU move (against IE included with Vista, et. alia.) and what it pretty much trapped Microsoft into doing.

1. It actually made it *harder* not easier, for alternative browsers (especially Firefox and Opera) to gain marketshare on any computer that will see Windows 7 E, as they (Firefox and Opera) will have to go to ISPs and have the browser included with the bundle from the ISP (whereas with IE installed, they can simply go to the respective home pages and *download/install* them).

2. You've also massively screwed your own IT industry (all those companies that build and preload Windows for individuals and companies in the EU). While some of those customers *will* choose Linux (because you've tilted the playing field that way, and that was doubtless deliberate), some will *still* choose Windows 7 E, despite the higher price, and then, in a fit of pique, install IE 8 *anyway*.

The EU is about to relearn the same lesson it SHOULD have learned with the N Editions - cutting off your nose to spite your face (or, in this case, your own citizens) is never a smart idea.

1. Those people who can't get a browser without a browser won't buy and install a boxed retail version of Windows, they will get PCs from OEMs with a browser preinstalled.

2. If somebody in an IT industry can't download and install a browser, they are working in the wrong industry.

carmatic said,
it wasnt EU's choice that no IE was included, it was microsoft's own choice


Sure, they could have just not sold Windows7 in the EU. You need to look up what the EU is requiring from MS and why removing IE was the only option that allowed them to ship Windows7 in the EU without violating previous EU rulings.

So ya, MS made the decision, but the EU put them into a corner with no other way out, except to say FU EU and not give users there Windows7.

lol childish? When you put a gun to their head and say "take IE out of Windows 7" I would hardly expect them to continue cooperating for your benefit, and I wouldn't call that childish. The people in the EU should be happy they are still getting Windows 7 and their government didn't *completely* **** it up for them like governments always do. Most people would have released it in the EU at all because the the lawsuits.

What else is unfair to include in a functions OS?
Calculator? Photo viewer? MS Paint?

Do Apple have to offer other browsers?

dancedar said,
Do Apple have to offer other browsers?

Do Apple have an monopoly of OS? No, then they don't. Microsoft are a convicted monopoly, or have you conveniently forgotten about that?

C_Guy said,
Aim your disgust to the EU who forced Microsoft into this move.

This was not the move that the EU asked for, in fact we haven't heard the end of it. Hopefully the EU will force Microsoft to install a decent browser with their OS, like firefox or opera.... hell, even safari would be an improvment... although ie8 has gotten better. Will never forgive Microsoft for ie6, and breaking so many web standards.

craybox said,
surely this could backfire for MS, in that people will stick with XP ? The pricing will change I am sure..

Hellooo? Read the article, people?

The important bit is even in bold!

I'm a EU citizen but I'm really happy for this. As far as I know I've never heard anybody complaining about the fact Microsoft was having a browser already installed together with the OS.
What MS could have done is as simple as pre-installing IE in the EU version too, but hiding it until the user makes his/her own choice on which browser to use.
If they didn't go on this way it's probably for getting back some money they've lost because of EU (totally fine with it) and this counter-attack draws a nice line.

Also, as other users say, a clean installation is certainly better for the pc than upgrading it, and that's what I would have done anyway.

paokun said,
As far as I know I've never heard anybody complaining about the fact Microsoft was having a browser already installed together with the OS.

Are you kidding me, loads of people don't think Microsoft should tie IE to the OS, this has been discussed at length.

This is not a pricing article it is about availability of an upgrade in Europe.

Is no one reading the articles today before commenting?

I am European citizen. I have nothing to do with the EU decision, and I think is totally wrong to force Microsoft to dont give us IE as default browser. I think all that crap happen because we have about several major Linux distributions in Europe( which frankly, I dont care and I dont give a sh*t about them), to bad they have influence to make that kind of decisions available.

toki said,
I am European citizen. I have nothing to do with the EU decision, and I think is totally wrong to force Microsoft to dont give us IE as default browser. I think all that crap happen because we have about several major Linux distributions in Europe( which frankly, I dont care and I dont give a sh*t about them), to bad they have influence to make that kind of decisions available.


You can always get US copy and if you use other language then English, you can get that too and problems solved :)

I don't condone what the EU have done to Microsoft, however it's a tad extreme to say that you hate the EU just because they jumped onto the bandwagon and sued the ar$e off of Microsoft. Microsoft is not the be all and end all, maybe you should consider the "good" they have done for the European community before flaming the EU.

Cartoondad said,
I don't condone what the EU have done to Microsoft, however it's a tad extreme to say that you hate the EU just because they jumped onto the bandwagon and sued the ar$e off of Microsoft. Microsoft is not the be all and end all, maybe you should consider the "good" they have done for the European community before flaming the EU.

Yes, they jumped on the bandwagon of 1... Or maybe you have a list somewhere of any other country/region in the world that has stood up to Microsoft? Even the US was to scared.

This is a great decision, Windows has just been made a lot safer by removing ie. I bet you will see a huge drop in the number of EU botnets, once 7 becomes popular.

DSLJay said,
Nice. I guess the people of the EU can thank the EU for this.

I do thank the EU and Opera, maybe we can have some fair competition, and the worst browser will not win out just because it was installed on the computer. Hopefully now Microsoft wont take over the web, and force us to use active-x rubbish everywhere.

That's what you get for suing someone for including a free program into another for nothing. At least if having IE would prevent firefox/alternative installation...

Nodiaque said,
That's what you get for suing someone for including a free program into another for nothing. At least if having IE would prevent firefox/alternative installation...

RTFA

Nodiaque said,
That's what you get for suing someone for including a free program into another for nothing. At least if having IE would prevent firefox/alternative installation...


+1

carmatic said,
hey, look on the bright side... full install version for the price of an upgrade...

Yeah, gotta agree with carmatic here, it means everyone gets a cheaper version of Windows 7.

Examinus said,
Brilliant, thanks EU.

Perhaps the EU should sue MS some more, so we can get Win7 even cheaper than that :D
But it's pretty good already.
Upgrade installations stink anyway, as they can cause all sorts of troubles.

The Teej said,
Yeah, gotta agree with carmatic here, it means everyone gets a cheaper version of Windows 7.

It also means it would be a fresh install forcing people to back up data and other such, when it may not be in their own best interests!!! F***** EU I hate the fact that we are a member!!!

cerealfreak said,
It also means it would be a fresh install forcing people to back up data and other such


You should back up your stuff anyway, I see no problem there. Maybe this will even bring some people to start backing up? Anyway, Retail-version of W7 for 50,-? Awesome, thanks EU, I love living here!

andrewbares said,
Glad I live in the US. I'm sick of what EU and Opera are doing.

So you're also sick of getting the full version for the upgrade price?
Or were you just too dumb to read the entire article? (or at least the bold sentence)

Our prices for the full version: (in Yankee dollars)
Home Premium: $70
Professional: $140

Your prices for the full version:
Home Premium: $199
Professional: $299

Sure, be glad that you have to pay more than double the price.

Lord Ba'al said,
So you're also sick of getting the full version for the upgrade price?
Or were you just too dumb to read the entire article? (or at least the bold sentence)

Our prices for the full version: (in Yankee dollars)
Home Premium: $70
Professional: $140

Your prices for the full version:
Home Premium: $199
Professional: $299

Sure, be glad that you have to pay more than double the price.


Those aren't the upgrade prices you will be paying. The article states that you will probably be paying more than the normal upgrade cost. (Home Premium -$119.00) The only way to get the super low price is to preorder. After that, you will be paying the same, probably more.

andrewbares said,
Glad I live in the US. I'm sick of what EU and Opera are doing.

I think it is great, great to see some country who isn't afraid of Microsoft. All the retailer needs to do is include a cd with each copy they sell, with a bunch of different browsers on it. That way we can get actual competition, and that is a good thing!

cerealfreak said,
It also means it would be a fresh install forcing people to back up data and other such, when it may not be in their own best interests!!!

You can upgrade with the full versions too, if you haven't noticed.

cerealfreak said,
It also means it would be a fresh install forcing people to back up data and other such, when it may not be in their own best interests!!! F***** EU I hate the fact that we are a member!!!

I hate it, too. All that peace. No border wars in years.
And were is teh promised rose garden? I mean, EU, I beg
your pardon, but didn't you promise me a rose garden?

I also shall miss the option to nuke my system with a failed upgrade. :-)

Lord Ba'al said,
So you're also sick of getting the full version for the upgrade price?
Or were you just too dumb to read the entire article? (or at least the bold sentence)

Our prices for the full version: (in Yankee dollars)
Home Premium: $70
Professional: $140

Your prices for the full version:
Home Premium: $199
Professional: $299

Sure, be glad that you have to pay more than double the price.


"But as history has shown us the prices in the EU are generally more expensive than of those in the States so the savings of picking up an EU copy may not be all that attractive to those who reside in the US."

Im glad we get the option of retail and upgrade and the price difference isnt that much as stated on the news article.

cerealfreak said,
It also means it would be a fresh install forcing people to back up data and other such, when it may not be in their own best interests!!! F***** EU I hate the fact that we are a member!!!

It is almost frightenly funny how you see that way _private corporation_ threats their customers is somehow EU's fault.. Grow up..

cakesy said,
I think it is great, great to see some country who isn't afraid of Microsoft. All the retailer needs to do is include a cd with each copy they sell, with a bunch of different browsers on it. That way we can get actual competition, and that is a good thing!

What, is it like Microsoft is FORCING you to use their software? They actually finally built a good version of IE and now everybody gets all ****y about it being included in their own OS!!! I hate Opera with a passion, Firefox actually is one of the top three browsers, and Safari, well I wish Apple didn't release it for Windows :). I've had nothing but problems with Safari on my Mac.
I do like the idea of having a cd at retailers with all the browsers they have, but it is a waste of money because it is already widely free on the internet. People that don't know how to get them probably aren't interested in a different browser.

Lord Ba'al said,
Perhaps the EU should sue MS some more, so we can get Win7 even cheaper than that :D
But it's pretty good already.
Upgrade installations stink anyway, as they can cause all sorts of troubles.

I agree upgrades do not go as smoothly as one expects, better to have full version over and upgrade. I always do a fresh install when a new OS comes out. M$ is a major bully over this issue and they said that it was impossible to leave IE out of the OS. Now you see whom is telling lies or fables. Win7 has an option to turn off IE but not uninstall or remove it but instead to delete the .exe file from normal points of launching things. Bogus if you ask me.