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You sure about that?

My point exactly

coockoo, put tin hat back on.

Didn't they tell you that the world will end soon?
Back in your box.

I'm going out for some burgers... Life IS too short

I'll have two double cheeseburgers with extra ketchup and extra mayo then... Oh and a big soda...

I really hope that before I die I can see the US admit it was a fake.

Sure hope you plan on living a loong time - the US will never admit it was a fake, because it wasn't.

paokun,

Mankind REALLY went to the Moon. It's amazing and wonderful and 40 years ago.

Get over the envy and share in the pride.

I don't care if they did or didn't. They haven't in my lifetime.

They have in mine. I watched it live when I was lil.

mythbusters showed it was a hoax. and they left it as plausible so yeah....... 40 years later a 1080p quality moon landing just "shows up" out of no where" :shifty:

at the time of the moon landing Austrilia was the site that recieved the feed as it had the best line of sight

but the article said
"the film went missing after its shipment back to the US"
so it seems to say that it went missing, after it got to the US...

Yes, I don't think anything was "shipped" really. I think it was aired to the US via Australia, and had this horrible compression applied in order to do this, and then all that's remaining and not lost is that uber compressed video. Picture YouTube compression, and then make it analogue instead of digital, and compression tech from the 60's.

There was a good article in Wired a year+ ago about the tapes and Australia and the whole story.

i saw that one too, apparently the camera engineers were ****ed at how low quality the broadcast was when they spent all that time trying to make it high res

have you seen the film?

1080p!!!

Yet another hoax that makes the news. It's getting ridiculous.

That link doesn't go to anything other than to say 'Registration has been disabled'.

Got a better link?

Yes, I read this too 1-2 days ago.

It's a hoax.

Too bad. And really frustrating, because the part about them being lost IS true. Sigh.

My bad
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastro...eo-tapes-found/

The whole moon landing is a hoax

I fully agree.
The pictures were too high quality from the original shots.
Wheres all the bright light coming from too? (please don't say specular lighting either or i'll **** myself with laughter)

*facepalms*

lol.. O yea... the guy.

Wow.. the 'Americans' faked it. You know we also faked 9.11 and World War II.

+1 exactly must be true.

If any person that does not believe it imagines just for one second what it would be worth to the Russians to actually prove America did not go they would realise it did happen.

I'm not talking about the crazy idea of shadows, photographs that did not work and all the other evidence that has been proved to be complete rubbish many times over.

I am talking about real proof.

Eh. Don't fall for these simple trolls guys.

I LOL in your general direction ! LOL !

Here's a real footage of the take off of LCROSS shot from the rocket, it's amazing to witness the rocket reaching space.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cYClDjxwoo

enjoy.

this is so true. At the time all that mattered was who was first into space and then to land on the moon. Given the amount of monitoring from both sides of the competitors (America,Russia) if either side had pulled even the slightest of stunts then it'd have been used as ammo by the other side. As we now know, Russia came up with nothing about it being faked by America.

Quite what they found when they did get to the moon though is another world of conspiracy. Personally after reviewing different evidence on the subject, i'm pretty sure that we, the general public are NOT told the truth about any of this by the Governments and leaders.

The blatant ignorance of saying that we are the only life in the universe is quite frankly pathetic. An open minded approach is the only way to live.

I have actually spent quite a bit of time reviewing the venous moon hoax arguments and most of them can be dismissed with a pretty simple explanation that requires only a basic scientific understanding to digest. In my opinion the only people who want to disbelieve do, therefore nothing I can say will change anyone’s mind. However, if anyone has any questions about something they may have heard, why are there no stars in the pictures? and so on feel free to post here or PM me and I can explain.

Oh, and "the guy" you are refering to I assume is Bill Kaysing on the Fox "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?" Bill never worked for NASA so could heardly be consitered "the guy." The show also had an interview with a fearly low-level employee at NASA (I forget the name) who thinks it was faked but isn't able to give any insider information at all, just repeats the same old failed arguments.

The science of actually having gone to the Moon trumps the pseudo-scientific ignorance of those who make money off of claiming we didn't.

Like the 9-11 nuts, every conspiracy theory has been undeniably scientifically disproved and all they need do is search Google for the answer. But it's easier and more "exciting" to believe the pseudoscience presented by the ignorant, unqualified, and in most cases, mentally ill.

+1

your goverment staged 9/11. When did anyone say world war 2 was faked?

Well, thats all america have to be proud of really, oh and now their amasing black president who lets face it, only got voted in because the yanks don't like looking like facist racist pricks.

What else? oh yeah! first guys in space? or was that russia? who gives one? i don't and never will. I wouldn't give one if us english were the ones who put first bloke in to space, we are all to busy having a life.

...you think 9/11 was staged? how about you look at some of the documentaries about that day, look at what actually happened.
and if you're still confident enough, go into NYC and yell "9/11 was staged!" and see how long it takes for someone to react.

You sure about that?

you're an idiot, it's not "HD" as logo branded 720 or 1080 HD we know today, it literally means high resolution as referring the specific format that was recorded when compared to the current resolution of televisions of that time period

excuse me, will i need a kaaAAAAOWAAAAHH.....

Phantom helix, who's the real idiot? you never watched the video with which you could clearly see the cables and latch hooks on the astronauts.

but g' head bro- support the lie.

Yes, it's called film.

In the mean time, here's something for you to watch: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=4355

you do realise that Standard Definition (i.e. TV) resolution cannot be compared to a cinematic film? (which is analogue and therefore pixels are a moot point) evidently this is something you overlooked in your uneducated call of BS.

my only point that I really care to make is that I think the whole moon landing thing is a fabrication. I mean c'mon..we were supposedly making a star wars missile defense system back in the 80's. Our GOV lied when they said it worked. that in turn forced the Soviets to spend something like 3/4 of every ruble on their own defense and they went bankrupt.

Chris, the two issues are not related. Why would they be?

We really did go to the Moon. Enjoy the pride and satisfaction of one of mankind's truly great accomplishments.

My friend has a really old camcorder from 20+ years ago and it says "High Definition" on the side.

In 10 years current HD technology will be thought of as standard definition and then there'll be a new high definition standard.

More like there's nothing of value there for them to keep spending billions in the 70's to keep going? Not till later did they find out it did indeed have frozen water using newer probes.

And second, it was a much bigger need to spend more money on defense tech and weapons during the cold war (plus other CIA ops) than to keep giving it to NASA to blow.

All of this was mostly geopolitics at work, beat the russians, they did, end of story. The Moon has only become important again now since they want to use it as a takeoff point for future missions to Mars and such.

Saying it's fake is stupid.

Exactly. It's extremely stupid to say that the US going to the moon was faked considering we still have all of the experimental equipment there on the surface left by the astronauts and scientists to this day still using them. Oh I guess we can't for the forget the tons of moon material we brought back too...

But as for reasons why we stopped, it was because of one thing. $$$ and plus we had other things on the drawing board and in early development (like Skylab and the Space Shuttle for example). Don't forget about the probes we were about to shoot into space the Pioneer and Voyager Space Probes or the Viking spacecraft. We had so much (maybe too much) on our plate at the time and so limited funds. It was thought that we would get back to the moon soon after we thought... but obviously it hasn't happened and setup labs there, but... it was a pipe dream at best.

As for other countries not doing it? Other countries have sent probes as of lately. I know Russia has, Japan has which has recently ended. It costs money and the know how. Reason why Russia never made it was because of their booster systems was highly unstable. They abandoned it in 1974 after too accidents, lack of funding and well... the program was way over their heads.

Shooting small light probes to the moon in orbit (for a time) is a lot more cost effective, lighter and easier than sending a team of astronauts to the moon.

Like someone said earlier, if this was all faked, you think the Russians would have kept quiet about it? HA! I think not! Especially during that period in time with the US and USSR relations. They would have used that against the US Government and paraded that around on tv and the front page of Pravda.

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Dude, you can see the evidence with a good telescope...

There is another reason the U.S. is looking into moon projects, and one that seems to be escaping everyone's attention, "The Chinese." China is saying that by 2012 they will be in a position to place personnel on the moon. They are to start testing their capability sometime in 2010 to place a lunar orbiter into space and orbit the moon. In 2011 they hope to have made several manned orbits around the moon. They are basically taking a page out of the U.S. play book on moon landings. Run all the test before the actual landing. So it is understandable why the U.S. is now relooking at a possible moon base for future lunch capabilities.

We CAN go to the Moon now...any time we want. We just don't have any real reason to go (we landed there MANY times and got all sort of samples and measurements) and well it's kind of expensive for something with so little reward.

@Pam. 2012?! I find that hard to believe. It can happen... I just don't see how they will get far enough along in 3 more years.

I met Buzz Aldrin last week (book signing NYC) and his point was that we should be exporers and let China/India/etc do Settlements. And while I my initial thought was; "how ridiculous. The Moon missions are a way for us to learn more about the process." The more I thought about what he said the more it made sense. We've spent the last 30 years dealing with the minutia of heavy lifting (re: shuttle launches) and training/issues with long duration space. But there is real money to be made, jobs to be created in exploration. It will require new technologies and new abilities. This should create new jobs in the US and by "allowing" other countries to explore the moon, etc it allows them to have new jobs for them as well. It SEEMS to be a good idea all around.

I read about this approximately eighteen months ago in an article which for the life of me I cannot remember the periodical, but it came from a source at the BBC. It was interesting at the time because it wasn't something we would not have thought possible of the Chinese. I am going to Google this to see if the article is still available on the internet. Albeit, we have to remember we are not the only advanced nation with the possible technically to reach out into space, or even land someone on the Moon.

Just Googled China's Space Program, and because of the vast amount of information it makes it impossible to give any one web site for people to read up on, however, if you really think what I wrote isn't possible then you really do need to research this because they are out there, and they do plan on being on the moon. The Chinese have moved to a moon landing now hopefully in 2015. The U.S. knows this, and you would have to speculate that is one reason for NASA putting more emphasis on lunar mapping.

What's saying they can't?

I was told once that the processing power of a multimedia greeting card that you can buy for like $6 had more processing power than the Gemini space capsules had.

First off, bull**** that this is another angle shot. Considering the Antenna and other equipment on the surface and for that matter, activity from the surface, they were already in and out of the module. Plus this picture doesn't have any markings of the Apollo 11 moon landing, so I can't be sure if that IS Neil or Buzz. To put it plainly, this isn't another "angle" of the first excursion. Far from it.

1. If you're talking about the camera as we was coming down the egress platform, that was already mounted in the Lunar Module itself. It wasn't on any surface. If you had bothered to google the blue prints, you can plainly see it. Obviously you haven't done any research on this or Lunar Module itself.

2. What 2 cameras? Unless your talking about this pic, which I don't understand where you are coming from and what you have been smoking, next. This could have been a video camera feed, which is what it looks like, or a cropped picture of the original since the format of the picture is wrong.

3. Are you a film expert? Have you actually taken a look at the *original* negative of this? If you have, what was the serial/catalog number of it? Where did you obtain it? But if you can't answer that, NASA does have those freely available to the public to look at for research, but some how you basing your information on a photoshop tool of a picture that has been compressed from the original and claiming that it shows "tire tracks"? Try again? If they are tire tracks, can you tell me who produced the tire and perhaps the model? If you are so sure, you would have done some forensics research on that. Did you?

You haven't really proven anything. Period.

also how do you know this is amstrong coming down the platform, for that matter how do you know this isnt another astronaut filming his buddy coming out of the lander...


you threw up one random picture with no real support

Um. this is clearly a photo taken AFTER the landing...since you can see the dish setup at the left edge and all the FRIGGIN FOOTPRINTS of the astronauts walking back and forth to set it up.

This isn't the FIRST stepping on the Moon, it's just another photo (presumably by the other astronaut) shooting his friend coming down the ladder too...like they ALWAYS have to do to get in and out of their craft.

How can you be so ignorant of the facts and details, and yet so sure of your clearly errant position?!

A middle school child could debunk your assertion. Why can't you?

For your sake, I hope you're joking.

I'm afraid not - most conspiracists are stupid like this.

Pwned.

hahaha

no0 way D: lol

love it!!

Wanna hear summin amusing?
Iraq have weapons of mass desruction that can set off within 45minutes and let us not forget the old classic about how we must support our troops

Okay, then, what have YOU ever accomplished that rivals NASA in even its earlier years?

And then, what does that make you?

LOL, why? They're a mismanaged bureaucracy, but they regularly accomplish things no other agency or company can do.

NASA seems to not like running 2 manned space programs at the same time it seems. Considering the *costs* running the aging Shuttle program, among the other programs that we have now going that we didn't have back in the 60s and congress giving NASA and their contractors in the 60s a blank check because of a President that gave them a deadline for the end of the decade... it all comes down to money and resources. Wiki states the following:

Answering President Kennedy's challenge and landing men on the moon by the end of 1969 required the most sudden burst of technological creativity, and the largest commitment of resources ($25 billion), ever made by any nation in peacetime. At its peak, the Apollo program employed 400,000 people and required the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities.

That's *25 Billion* in the 1960s and with 400,000 people and resources... that won't happen in this day in age anymore unless there was a major event to get stuff off the ground quickly.

As for safely landing on the moon, it was a lot of flying with the seat of their pants back then though for the most part, they landed where they wanted from what I have read and told by people of the Apollo program. From what I understand now, instead of a quick scoop and leave like in the 60s, NASA plans on staying a bit. I know they are wanting to set up something like a base of sorts so they can get to Mars quicker, but... that's one helluva pipe dream right now that I have a feeling we won't see for awhile. Right now it seems they want more data on water and other materials on the moon for planning, hence the smashing of probes into the surface of the moon constantly and research what was brought up from beneath.

I've worked with space systems in my early years. This stuff takes forever to get going. Sometimes your banging your head on the wall because of all of the stupid people running the programs and sometimes, its the cutbacks. But once it's rolling, its pretty hard to stop unless there is a catastrophic accident of sorts.

The Orion program is rolling out here where I live, again, it takes time, and well... money and a lot of red tape to cut through. The people on this program aren't messing around when it comes to this. They want us back on the moon, badly.

Sorry for the long winded answer.