After reporting that Microsoft will be charging up to twice as much for the full version of Windows 7E in Europe compared to Windows 7 in the United States, Microsoft was not charging more because of the anti-trust regulators in Europe.Consumers can purchase an upgrade for as little as $199 in the U.S. whilst Europeans will pay €309 or $433.99 (US) for the full version.
Microsoft states the reason for the missing upgrade of Windows 7 is that Vista came with Internet Explorer 8 pre-installed, while Windows 7E will not. Due to complications, and a short notice to fix the IE8 problem, the upgrade versions are delayed. The European Union antitrust regulators have pressured Microsoft to ship a customized edition of Windows 7 in Europe without IE8. This will cause problems upgrading previous systems who have IE7 installed already, as for now, Microsoft does not have an upgrade edition of Windows 7E.
Microsoft released a limited time offer price on their full version of Windows 7E up until December 31, 2009, where consumers can purchase a copy of Windows 7E for the same price as U.S. consumers upgrade edition.
Now Europe will pay less for their version of Windows 7E full edition than people in the United States Windows 7 full edition.
Update: A change was made to the article about Microsoft responding to adjust prices, while there was no responses to the matter.
They do deserve even cent, Last time I checked EU is voice of every European. So as far as me I blame every European for EU suing MS.
I hoped they would've charged $1000.00 for Windows 7.
you, sir, have been duped by the EU's publicity campaign to gain themselves legitimacy in the eyes of the world...
the numbers of europeans who 1. dont know about 2. dont care about 3. disagree with the EU far outnumber those who are in support of it
I hoped they would've charged $1000.00 for Windows 7.
Hahaha, sounds about as convenient as blaming every American for various wars.
I hoped they would've charged $1000.00 for Windows 7.
Was Mr. Bush the voice of every American? All signs point to no. Please don't be so dense.
I hoped they would've charged $1000.00 for Windows 7.
Was Mr. Bush the voice of every American? All signs point to no. Please don't be so dense.
Well quite a few American's must have voted him in, twice (doh!), so all signs point to YES, haha!
"Quite a few" ain't "everybody".
Btw. regarding the article: MS didn't adjust or respond to anything, these are the prices they announced and Neowin got it wrong the first time and now it seems they're trying to hide their mistake.
the numbers of europeans who 1. dont know about 2. dont care about 3. disagree with the EU far outnumber those who are in support of it
If you are not happy with the politics, you should make your voice heard. If you don't, then you deserve everything that comes.
Meanwhile Europe had Tony Bliar.
Or just see prices be fair for their respective regions. I don't know or understand the specifics of doing business internationally, but for MS to charge double for their product seems a little extreme.
Maybe they are ****ed at the EU for never being happy, but taking it out on the customer isn't right either. Judging by the sales that have been commented, most in the EU ignored or didn't care about Vista N editions. Seems the only ones who care are Opera and the EU, Opera probably because they have no advertising budgets and this gives them tons of free press and a shot at more exposure.
No, I'm not an Opera user. IE and FF work just fine.
Maybe they are ****ed at the EU for never being happy, but taking it out on the customer isn't right either. Judging by the sales that have been commented, most in the EU ignored or didn't care about Vista N editions. Seems the only ones who care are Opera and the EU, Opera probably because they have no advertising budgets and this gives them tons of free press and a shot at more exposure.
No, I'm not an Opera user. IE and FF work just fine.
They weren't charging double, they simply weren't offering the upgrade version which is the cheaper version in EU because the upgrade version relies on IE apparently. So basically that only leaves the full version for EU which has always been more expensive than the upgrade versions.
Same here, another misleading article. Whilst the pricing has been lowered, the price still remains higher than that of the US.
In fairness to Microsoft though, this has always been the case, it has nothing to do with the anti-trust case.
To those in the EU, no need to worry about the pricing they stiff us with here, just find someone on eBay(US) that will ship it internationally
Last edited by TSO on 01 Jul 2009 - 04:21
In fairness to Microsoft though, this has always been the case, it has nothing to do with the anti-trust case.
To those in the EU, no need to worry about the pricing they stiff us with here, just find someone on eBay(US) that will ship it internationally
until customs finds it and slaps a huge duty onto it...
Since there isn't even an upgrade price for Europe, it should be price matched to that of the U.S.
In fairness to Microsoft though, this has always been the case, it has nothing to do with the anti-trust case.
To those in the EU, no need to worry about the pricing they stiff us with here, just find someone on eBay(US) that will ship it internationally
until customs finds it and slaps a huge duty onto it...
Wrong, 9 times out of 10 if its marked as "Gift/Other" or "Commercial sample" you won't get charged with the "huge duty" fee, its just a matter of finding a good international seller that doesn't mind bending the rules slightly
Are you sure? Computerworld's previous article said that they are offering full editions at upgrade prices, which is why they compared US Upgrade Editions with European full edition prices earlier since it was pretty much the same thing. Here's the link:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl...9&intsrc=kc_top
It might sound like I'm challenging you but I just want to clarify some facts before reporting =)
didnt they bring up something about how the tax is included in the price in europe, but not in america, so thats why a direct comparison is difficult somehow?
This statement is A COMPLETE LIE. Nobody is forcing MS to do the 7E version of Windows 7; Microsoft have taken that decision completely on their own.
Did they really need little old Opera to come moaning to them basically 2 years later when, lets face it, IE's market share is LOWER then it was back when the EU did it's first case for them to think about it? No. This whole thing is a joke.
It's not a complete lie, just because the EU regulators didn't come out and explicitly tell MS to release a version without IE, doesn't change the fact that they keep suing MS whenever they think it's nice and have, infact, forced MS to take the preemptive step in just removing IE rather then waiting for the EU to tell them exactly what to do (which would've probably been to start offering the other browsers in some sorta popup menu the first time you run Win7).
Perhaps because it takes quite a while for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn?
Most complaints take YEARS to get anywhere - there's plenty of examples from other businesses and other fields that take exactly the same amount of time to move forward.
And if you want to "get real" the only reason there's so much fuzz about it on Neowin and other forums is because every US based whiner is posting how "EU is evil! They should not tell US based businesses what to do waaa-waa-waambulance". They're ****ed because EU is finally flexing some muscle.
Yes. That's how it works.
Most complaints take YEARS to get anywhere - there's plenty of examples from other businesses and other fields that take exactly the same amount of time to move forward.
And if you want to "get real" the only reason there's so much fuzz about it on Neowin and other forums is because every US based whiner is posting how "EU is evil! They should not tell US based businesses what to do waaa-waa-waambulance". They're ****ed because EU is finally flexing some muscle.
+1
Really? Did you just say that?
Microsoft was never actually FORCED into stripping IE8 from Windows 7E, but if they wish to not be sued for millions than they have to release another edition of Windows 7, without IE8.
I don't understand why this is so hard to understand? I honestly don't think Microsoft is going to suddenly change their operating system, and sell Windows 7E (specially named just for Europe) only in Europe. America isn't getting any Windows 7 retails without IE8.
Most complaints take YEARS to get anywhere - there's plenty of examples from other businesses and other fields that take exactly the same amount of time to move forward.
And if you want to "get real" the only reason there's so much fuzz about it on Neowin and other forums is because every US based whiner is posting how "EU is evil! They should not tell US based businesses what to do waaa-waa-waambulance". They're ****ed because EU is finally flexing some muscle.
Ahh yes, you hit it right on the nail eh, "wheels of bureaucracy". Maybe I wouldn't call the EU evil, but it's a mess. And still can't seem to agree on much and when it does it's often way too late in the game.
I find it funny how you think only US based "whiners" are posting negative remarks about the EU, when quite a few actually live in Europe. Like I myself do.
Oh, and before they flex that mighty muscle you talk about, why don't they take a look at the shady business practices of their own companies while they're at it? I'm sure you are (or not) aware of.
I don't want a list of outdated versions of Opera, Fx and god knows what else listed for me to choose when I install Windows. If I want Fx I will use IE8 to download it. ****ing pathetic.
That and on Windows Vista 64 and W7, IE8 is actually more secure! I still just use Chrome when I want to use it not because a bunch of money grabbing old men on the EU legislation board think I need to be given the option with instructions in crayon.
Microsoft is going to do whatever they want. They're a corporation. To them we're a dollar sign, not people. 8-(
it was AT case remember ? they have no choice.
they were not forced. in fact, the EU said that they did not believe it was a good idea for consumers.
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Really? Next time RTFA.
The article states:
"A top Microsoft executive today denied reports that European users will pay more for Windows 7 because of the company's wrangling with antitrust regulators."
Not really made up, was it?
Last edited by GreyWolfSC on 01 Jul 2009 - 14:33
The article states:
"A top Microsoft executive today denied reports that European users will pay more for Windows 7 because of the company's wrangling with antitrust regulators."
Not really made up, was it?
Thank you,
Microsoft only recently changed their product lineup and called it Windows 7E, much like Windows Vista N, a stripped version of Windows without IE. If Microsoft did NOT do this, they would once again face another lawsuit and pay millions to please the anti-trust regulators.
Last edited by GreyWolfSC on 01 Jul 2009 - 14:33
Wakers, you are 100% right. I was wondering who would see this first.
Microsoft charges Windows 7 FULL for the price of Windows Vista UPGRADE. Because they don't have a seperate upgrade package at the moment for Europe.
Vista UPGRADE is EUR119, Windows 7 FULL is EUR119.
Nothing, but nothing has changed since the first day the prices were released.
When they release Windows 7 UPGRADE it will then still be EUR119, but they will increase the Windows 7 FULL price to its normal value which is around EUR208.99
Last edited by GreyWolfSC on 01 Jul 2009 - 14:34
The article states:
"A top Microsoft executive today denied reports that European users will pay more for Windows 7 because of the company's wrangling with antitrust regulators."
Not really made up, was it?
You're still completely, utterly, totally wrong. ricknl explains it perfectly. Judging by your articles though, you won't understand it.
Computerworld makes no indication of that, just Neowin. You guys should fix that.
Specifically, this is extremely misleading to your readers:
in the United States, Microsoft has responded by adjusting their pricing
Publisher 98 £99.95
Exchange rate at that time Over $2.00
EU or not, overpriced in UK.
I know its a while ago but nothing changes does it?
The win7 RC upgrade from Vista 32 could be improved near 100%, and it would still be a disaster. While it's always been better, has always been recommended to do a clean install, it seems almost a requirement with 7, or is a requirement if you want things running correctly. My guess would be that 7, trying to come up with compatibility settings, has a terrible time of it when that software's already running under Vista's compatibility settings. And this isn't just ancient apps -- a huge portion of software today is still written mainly for XP, with developers counting on Vista to deal with it. It's understandable really -- who would want to give up the extremely large XP customer base, or develop separate versions of code? Any upgrade improvements in the RTM IMHO would be on the order of still shooting yourself in the foot, but this time only blowing off a couple of toes. ;-0
Huh? When did Vista come with IE8 at all?
Personally I'm sticking with XP, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I was happy with Windows 2000, which was probably Microsoft's best O/S in terms of size and (relative) simplicity. Vista has no real killer applications, nor does Windows 7. Integrating Virtual PC and a virtual copy of XP at first seems like a great idea, but is really more an admission of defeat.
Which EU-idiot was the moron behind the idea that "Hey, Microsoft is trying to make a complete OS, that provides the custumer with what he needs! Let's put a stop to that, so that we ... uhm ... at least we will have something to do for the next cuople of months!"
Honestly, I appreciate that other companies make their own browsers and Media Players and stuff, it's great with alternatives. And I actually use Chrome myself, and I adore it and advertise for it wherever I go, but still I think Microsoft should be allowed to implement whatever feature they like in their OS. If not they should remove Paint, WordPad, Calculator and NotePad as well - which is totally absurd. I do, to some extent though, buy the argument that MS has been slowing down the development of the web, but hey... What can I say.
MICROSOFT: Will you please let the people not living in the EU buy the non-EU version of Windows 7 at a reasonable price?
I'm french and I want to say that french people was against EU during the referendum,
only the president has decided its entry into the comunity and I want to say that many are against the decisions of the EU against Microsoft , me first,
to remove the Internet Explorer 7 for Windows is a total aberant.
result we have if we want windows 7 to buy the full version because no update
thank you EU
ps: google traductor french => english
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