With Firefox 3.5 being recently released, and hitting five million downloads in 24 hours, Firefox appears to be gaining more market share, and Internet Explorer's market share is slipping according to Favbrowser, and a graph by statcounter shown below. Internet Explorer fell from 62.09% to 59.49%, while Firefox rose from 28.75% to 30.33%. But Firefox isn't the only browser that's gaining market share. Opera, recently released the beta version of version 10 of its browser, rose from 3.23% to 3.36%, Safari, recently released version 4 of its browser and hitting 11 million downloads in three days, rose from 2.65% to 2.93%, and Chrome rose from 2.42% to 2.82%.
nothing but a good opera browser will
too bad well never see that
lololol
too bad well never see that
lololol
HAHAHAHA, ZING!
I have just about everything installed here (Except Opera - I tried it, hated it, and uninstalled it...)... My browser of choice is Firefox, but I do use Chrome a good bit too. I couldn't really get into Safari (Too much bling, too little substance, or IE 7 or 8 (Too slow... Why does it take 30 seconds to open a new / blank tab?).
Weird. I have had IE 7 and 8 installed on 7 computers, and opening a new tab is ungodly slow on all of them. I've switched all of the office computers to Firefox as a result. I have experienced a LOT of crashes with 7, but 8 crashes a lot less I think.
I agree on being used to Firefox. I feel the same way. When I'm in a different browser I always find myself looking for one of my add ons...
I agree on being used to Firefox. I feel the same way. When I'm in a different browser I always find myself looking for one of my add ons...
I'm not much of a add-on user, i've only found 2 or 3 that are useful to me. but navigating through bookmarks and tabs is what I'm use to using in FF.
too bad well never see that
lololol
It's good enough for me, so meh. Could care less about a percent increase or a 10 percent increase.
oh good..another crybaby who just doesnt get it!
too bad well never see that
lololol
Then it's great that there's alternatives available for you so you aren't forced to using the one. Opera still has features that have me hooked (such as mouse gestures) that just make using anything else lackluster. (The equivalent Firefox extension isn't the same)
I agree on being used to Firefox. I feel the same way. When I'm in a different browser I always find myself looking for one of my add ons...
The tab delay is caused by a bad addin, most often the Java SSV helper and Symantec web filter.
I agree on being used to Firefox. I feel the same way. When I'm in a different browser I always find myself looking for one of my add ons...
The tab delay is caused by a bad addin, most often the Java SSV helper and Symantec web filter.
spybot immunization is what did it for me
Not exactly the criteria we look for in a, new, browser, is it?!
lol, then explain it to me. What did I miss?
I agree on being used to Firefox. I feel the same way. When I'm in a different browser I always find myself looking for one of my add ons...
I'm not much of a add-on user, i've only found 2 or 3 that are useful to me. but navigating through bookmarks and tabs is what I'm use to using in FF.
Same here. One addon if you don't already have it is Xmarks, it's been very useful for me as I can organize my bookmarks from any computer now.
Opera will gain marketshare when it can block advertisements.
Opera can block advertisments
i think he meant, with an easy to install extension that works just as well(without the giant empty spaces)
too bad well never see that
lololol
HAHAHAHA, ZING!
I have just about everything installed here (Except Opera - I tried it, hated it, and uninstalled it...)... My browser of choice is Firefox, but I do use Chrome a good bit too. I couldn't really get into Safari (Too much bling, too little substance, or IE 7 or 8 (Too slow... Why does it take 30 seconds to open a new / blank tab?).
hmm, I think the tab thing is to do with the spybot search and destroy immunisation, remove that and it speeds up apparently.
I'm mainly a Firefox user cos it has soooooo many addons that I use (and cos I don't WANT to remove the immunisation from IE!!!)
EDIT: I should really RTFPs before posting myself
I'm not really into browsers. I use IE of course but I don't really think about the browser because it does what i want. Never felt a need to try anything else and im quite content. And after sitting at a computer all day long then having to go home to get online and spend another hour or two in class, I'm just no interested in anything that doesn't really change my experience.
Maybe I'll try FF someday but as of now I don't have a compelling reason to do it.
How many websites have inserted this company's code into their sites, btw? Is this representative in any way with the vast majority of the world's computer users, or does it only cover a handful of websites that work with statcounter code?
Just curious how useful these figures really are.
It's a chart. What do you want, an f'ing smoke show with lasers coming out of it?
That would be nice, actually.
I agree, there must be more than two powerful competitors...
Also @Ji@nBing: I'MMA FIRIN MAH CHART BEAM BLARRRG!
nah, do it in Flash
Yep. I've been using Firefox since the very beginning (You know, before the modern icon even existed) and I'm glad to see that it is gaining market share. But that's not to say that IE8 isn't a very competent browser; it's just that it's become more or less with the habit.
I hate it when people use Firefox religiously and thinks everything else in the world sucks and wants everyone to use it, but either way, I'm glad that the choice is offered and made itself stronger in every move.
I hate it when people use Firefox religiously and thinks everything else in the world sucks and wants everyone to use it, but either way, I'm glad that the choice is offered and made itself stronger in every move.
Over 2 years' use of Firefox, I've gotten everything working just the way I want it. No way am I going to change until another browser can do just that. I could care less what browser I use as long as it works the way I need it, and it just so happens that Firefox meets that requirement. Props to Mozilla for making the best browser out there.
That's a very vague and general description of the beginning.
I started using Firefox in 2002, right around the time it was re-named from "Phoenix" to "Firebird". Never looked back...
When the council makes its decision we should have a level playing field in the EU. We will see how IE fares when it truly has to compete with better browsers. The biggest evidence for this is doubtlessly the advertisement recently released. Ask yourself why there is a sudden need by MS to advertise IE, for they never had to in the past; perhaps because its illegal monopolistic abuse is going to be eviscerated and they fear the consequential loss of control of the internet platform?
Yes in spite of IE's illegal advantage, Firefox has surmounted the once insurmountable and become the lingua franca of browser choice. The hedgemony which IE once enjoyed has now been challenged, and once the EC forces other browsers into the OS we shall finally have true choice; I for one can't wait to see the percentages in the EU once this happens. The US could also follow the lead of the EU on this (here's hoping).
I still expect MS to fight any decision tooth and nail like the anachronistic dinosaur they are. Their first strike was to begin advertising IE, and who knows the next.
Yes in spite of IE's illegal advantage, Firefox has surmounted the once insurmountable and become the lingua franca of browser choice. The hedgemony which IE once enjoyed has now been challenged, and once the EC forces other browsers into the OS we shall finally have true choice; I for one can't wait to see the percentages in the EU once this happens. The US could also follow the lead of the EU on this (here's hoping).
I still expect MS to fight any decision tooth and nail like the anachronistic dinosaur they are. Their first strike was to begin advertising IE, and who knows the next.
They will just buy mozilla.
No, no they won't.
yea, i wish there was a way to tell personal pc's from work/school pc's... i'd think Firefox and IE would be very close
the office where i work at which is seriously huge, only uses firefox and thunderbird
And my university uses solely IE on a total of around 10,000 PCs across all of its campuses.
Over here most schools have Dells and RM machines.
Schools/unis/businesses/etc have tighter security than public computers though. They usually base their security around IE and don't like you using anything else.
There are so many variables involved, and that's the problem. I want to see the percentages purely for end users.
You do realize that Macs can use Firefox as well, don't you? Not all Mac users use Safari.
Regardless of what you think of Safari and how u think the results regarding safari and macs security reflect thier actual security... there is not as much compulsion to change from safari on a mac as there is on the PC % wise I would think
I'm replying to you from Firefox on a Mac.
So? You aren't representative of the wider population.
Edit: It's a typo, Safari was lower.
"browser, rose from 3.23% to 3.36%, Safari, recently released version 4 of its browser and hitting 11 million downloads in three days, rose from 3.23% to 3.36%,"
Oh wait, that was just you trolling about those people from the EU that have laws and all of that. Nevermind...
I guess you didn't know Mozilla also followed the suit. Also yiou failed to get the point of the suit.
Yes Mozila followed the suit, but they weren't on Operas side from what I remember. In the end Opera has been stuck in it's 2-3% user share for years, and even changing Windows isn't going to help them.
So the whole point of the suit as you put it, is imo on shaky ground. If FF and now Chrome that came outta nowhere both can gain share just fine without having to somehow promot them or offer them as a pre or after-install option in Windows just fine then why are the EU wasting my tax, or in this cae VAT money for in the first place?
Maybe it's unfair to bundle IE, but has it hurt competition? It doesn't seem like it at all. And if you wanna break it down I believe FF has an even bigger market share chunk in the EU vs IE. In the end it's still little old Opera crying like a baby.
I'm sorry, but what I said was SARCASIM
Firefox could eventually reach 50% market share. But Microsoft buying Mozilla ... never gonna happen!
Why you think that?
With MS's budget and stuff.
Monday - MS buys Mozilla
Tuesday - Mozilla Foundation 2 forms around IceWeasel and MS wasted a ton of money for nothing
Tuesday - Mozilla Foundation 2 forms around IceWeasel and MS wasted a ton of money for nothing
Gotta love the open source goodness...
You'd think with all the manpower that Microsoft has that they'd be able to put out newer versions on a regular basis instead of the snails pace that they do.
We don't know that this is any more than a research project, from what I recall.
Still I think we should expect quite a bit of a difference with the next version of IE now. It's fine when MS doesn't really try or moves slow in doing so, but when they get serious and move fast they can do good stuff.
I'd like to see MS buy Mozilla.
What happens when FF has the market, will it stop inovating? Will MS then be allowed to bundle their IE with Windows again?
Which seems pretty reasonable. If some guy kept ringing my doorbell and throwing a water balloon at me I'd stop opening the door after a while, no matter how much he promised to stop throwing stuff at me.
There's no difference between Microsoft and Google when it comes to privacy. MS was spying on users long before Google existed. So does every major software company. The difference I suppose is that Google is able to link that data to emails and searches to create a complete profile of a person or family. What they want this data for I don't know--I'm sure it has something to do with enslaving mankind.
Google also gives info to the Government. And not just our government. Also, there is a blind trust in Google, which makes it more scary.
MS does it in order to better their equipment, although you can opt out of it.
The reasoning seems pretty sound to me. If we want websites to be profitable without forcing subscription fees out of us, we have to tolerate some form of advertising. God forbid someone somewhere tries to come up with ads that work.
it's like as soon as it had a fairly comfortable market share (around 20%), the attitude of mozilla/firefox shifted to just maintaining and staying relevant, rather than pushing forward and innovating. which is the same thing microsoft did with ie years ago. just sat there content and lazy. i guess there's no motivation for improvement when you're just competing against yourself.
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it's like as soon as it had a fairly comfortable market share (around 20%), the attitude of mozilla/firefox shifted to just maintaining and staying relevant, rather than pushing forward and innovating. which is the same thing microsoft did with ie years ago. just sat there content and lazy. i guess there's no motivation for improvement when you're just competing against yourself.
Erm... prism? The most efficient memory manager of all the browsers? They are also working on technology so plugins can be updated without reloading. They are constantly innovating, unlike MS aka I copy everything from others. Your rant is complete BS; check your facts dude.
I'm bashing IE because while MS has finally made something that is vaguely competitive, FF, Webkit-based (Chrome, Safari), Opera, and others are still ahead of the curve when it comes to standards-compliance, speed, reliability and extensibility.
I mean, FF is starting to support many features of CSS3 and HTML5, and IE8 just finished supporting for CSS2, and just barely at that.
I develop websites for a living, and IE (even
What ****es me off most, is that due to some businesses' reluctance to update their infrastructure, I actually still have to support IE6. That adds days onto my development time, and causes headaches to no end.
MS practically ran to the Pentagon to hand over search data, while Google resisted initially. They BOTH gave away their data, and so did Yahoo. None of these companies care about privacy. Spying on users makes them $$$ and earns them favors from the government.
LOL. Right, targeted advertising has nothing to do with it...
Chrome already has extension loading without restarting support. (In the Dev branch)
it's like as soon as it had a fairly comfortable market share (around 20%), the attitude of mozilla/firefox shifted to just maintaining and staying relevant, rather than pushing forward and innovating. which is the same thing microsoft did with ie years ago. just sat there content and lazy. i guess there's no motivation for improvement when you're just competing against yourself.
I consider having the most advanced rendering engine (in terms of support for new standards ie. video tag with in-built video decoder) as a pretty big feature. It's the feature that enables all other features.
Also, what's wrong with creating a framework that is very conducive to extensions then banking on that? Why is it more innovative to spend your time coming up with 4 or 5 first party features than it is to build a framework that enables thousands of third party features? Personally, I think creating an extension for rich frameworks is more innovative because any first party feature the other browsers add is probably already in Firefox via some extension (for example, IE8 accelerator functionality already existed via plugins and there where already multiple plugins for tab thumbnails).
Ding ding.
I can't believe you can actually stand toolbars, unless you're talking about the ones that are a part of IE.
Even less control? I find that surprising, since they specifically added back some customization. What do you mean?
I wonder how accurate the facts in the Neowin article are. Whatever.
No it doesn't. FF @ ~31 and IE @ ~59 when I checked it which is pretty much exactly what the article says.
All of them have error bounds, and are affected by their audience.
i doubt any of those are 100%
like opera at 0%, is kinda impossible that no one uses it, even though it should be that way
like opera at 0%, is kinda impossible that no one uses it, even though it should be that way
Sure, have it your way.
Neowin's own browser stats, these are the browser stats for the tech savvy people, also take into consideration that it's from a Windows oriented site.
i trust MS and FF with my browsing over Google or Apple
So why pray tell, did they decide to follow W3C standards in regards to HTML4 and CSS2.1?
They'd rather not jump the gun and then have to go back and redo things if/when some "standard" changes.
Firefox is the default browser on my laptop, and all computers in my home network.
Don't belive all the hype... IE8 is actually the most secure browser, especially on Vista/7, believe it or not.
Open source sucks, period.
Bad generalization. If you had your way, over half of the Internet would be out of service.
So going from IE7 to IE8 in actual development time is something like 3 years, give or take. And seeing how IE6 was, that's a big jump in a relativly short period of time.
Don't belive all the hype... IE8 is actually the most secure browser, especially on Vista/7, believe it or not.
Open source sucks, period.
God... You're such a close-minded MS fanboy...
Read some articles about open-source and why people bash MS to get a more centered vision please. I just read 2 of your comments and both are heavily biased.
All this is enough reason for me to say; FU FF, I'm going to stick to IE and IE8 is a better browser anyways for the end user and not so much the web designer...sigh
Quit bitching.
That's....definitely a matter of opinion. Can't say I agree in the slightest though, with all the customization available with Firefox.
While I remember them, I've not seen one of those notices for years...
IE8 has a lot of customization as well.
Thats because some people simply look for IE and begin trying to correct the mistakes IE 6 / 7 makes, forgetting that IE 8 exists. You could probably put the page into compatibility mode and it would work alright.
amen.
All this is enough reason for me to say; FU FF, I'm going to stick to IE and IE8 is a better browser anyways for the end user and not so much the web designer...sigh
+1
You guys are like cattle. It's easy to manipulate you and round you up and make you believe something. People use Microsoft's bad history to get you to believe that their stuff is better. Apple has been doing this for years. Get your head out of this reality distortion and just use the damn software.
As for me right at this moment, I would prefer IE8 on Windows 7...... Why, It is a Tank when it comes to security.
Companies gain a reputation from their products, and users who've had a number of bad experiences make judgments on future products based on those past experiences. It takes a bit of time and effort for the company to be able to renew its image.
So instead of calling people cattle, perhaps you should respect the fact that people have actually learned from their past experiences, woken up to the world around them, and made a choice about what they WANT to use, as opposed to what's installed by default on their operating system.
Agree 100%
Well said.
Safari/Firefox user at this end, as I never liked IE. Too buggy and slow for my tastes.
Comparing the browsers I've tried the past month, I gotta say.
When it comes to terms of speed I favor Chrome, also love Chrome's "Omnibar", something that ive used a great may times, Closely followed up by Safari 4 and Opera 10. And in terms of customization Firefox takes the grand price, no other browser is even close, The ammount of themes and extensions for Firefox is just staggering.
But unfortunately it comes with a cost, I have to admit that since Firefox 3.#, its just been very slow, starting up etc. Its very disappointing, the 2.# releases of Firefox was just wonderful, fast and responsive. but 3.# has just been a major disappointment that I hope the Mozilla Corp can fix. Sitting on a Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33 GHz, 4 GB of ram, XFX Radeon HD4850 XXX Edition 512MB, and Windows 7 x64, I dont see why Firefox should be so slow, was just as slow when I ran Vista x64. Both with and without extensions.
So my browser out of choice is Google Chrome or Safari 4. Opera 10 is close, but with its terms of customization choices Firefox stays there, but if it wasn't so customizable, it would have been crawling on the bottom together with Internet Explorer.
I hope they can figure out what's causing it so that these people can also experience it.
Also seems suggested to go to your IE options and clear your cache/temp files there too. Hope that helps.
switched back to IE8 as default... firefox will still be used for firebug though.
opera 10's quite good, fastest html rendering on any browser, javascript is rather decent, takes some time getting used to the interface.
i'm only using chrome for gmail and other g apps. Lack of RSS features is stopping it from being my browser of choice.
i thought safari 4 was cool, until it started crashing from my vigorous use of tabs. it's the ONLY app to crash in my Windows 7 RC....
FF is far better than the IE. IE sucks. I hate IE.
FF is far better than the IE. IE sucks. I hate IE.
i have seen some oem computer's having firefox installed as the default browser so meh
in order for the "web" to go forward, people have to start thinking of new ideas for the internet
I used it several times in the past but IE8 is looking better now. It won't stay 30% for long.
I used it several times in the past but IE8 is looking better now. It won't stay 30% for long.
No, not really. Chrome is still in kiddy phase. It's fast, but that's really all it's got. It's still missing some basic features. Opera is better, but I dislike the UI. Still, feature rich. At least compared to Chrome.
Firefox all the way.
I used it several times in the past but IE8 is looking better now. It won't stay 30% for long.
[Overrated] No,that honor goes to chrome. i don't see the big deal about chrome, chrome has speed big deal. Chrome [Fully Featured] Sorry but not even close, Opera, Safari and IE 8 are more fully featured than chrome. chrome is still in the infant stage. [Copying Features] Don't try to pin all this on FF, all browsers copy features[And make the features better or improve it over the others] them from each other. Chrome [Just as Guilty] has taken features from Opera [Case in Point,Speed Dial].
30% won't stay long. we'll see about that, even if that's the case certainly IE won't reclaim it back. it would be because of chrome,safari and opera..
FTW, FF 3.5, Chrome[i don't use it],Safari and Opera...anything that chews
up IE's Market Share is a definitely good thing.
The media and community sites also play such an important role in people's choice of a browser. Merely passing Acid2 wasn't enough obviously to impress the media when the competition is so far ahead, fierce and cutting edge.
+1
1) Make a plugin system akin to FireFox's (one that allows for easy development, implementation, and addition...my god FireFox got it ridiculously right by adding in that ability to search and install add-ons from within the program itself)
1a) If you cant build in an add-on system then code the best add-ons for FireFox as new features on a regular basis...
e.g. Mouse gestures, adblocking, visualization modification, flash blocking, etc.
2) Change the way it handles proxies, change it in favor of FireFox's system.
3) Consult Maxthon development team. Maxthon opens faster than IE8 embedded in Windows 7...something is wrong with that.
4) Change the interface to resemble Office 2007...hell Maxthon 3.0 did it
5) Improve update schedule. I think people prefer something like FireFox's update schedule where you get security updates every so often (3.0.x.xx
6) Remove WGA checks in upgrade installers. Who cares if it is being installed on illegitimate windows PC's? You are obviously more concerned with promoting Bing.com and your internet products, anyway.
7) Update Win7 and Win8 install packages so they default to Bing search engine (not Live Search)
9) Develop IE for Linux. Again, you as Microsoft would rather promote use of Windows, but even you guys know your future is not tied to Windows' success...
10) Improve the mobile product. I think Opera has the best mobile browser, no?
11) Just fix the Acid test, not that hard. Not that I, tokar, actually give a sh*t about this test, but you will please all the dopes on the internet who do care.
12) Improve memory use. Gotta have at least one thing you can boast about over FireFox, right?
13) Make IE open XPS files faster, thanks.
14) Setup a quick way to turn off browsing sounds. I shouldn't have to go into the Windows Sound preferences to do this.
15) Integrate torrent downloading. Sure most educated people on the net use uTorrent or something similar, but you can at least attempt to capitalize on those idiots who dont know about standalone clients and have no clue what a .torrent file is.
Given the number of request (and you are one of many), I am really beginning to think the best thing they could do would be exit the browser market all together. Their Trident engine really does not have a big following, outside of their core browser and could be done without. A secondary option would be to update to an engine like Webkit. However, given how many browsers use Web-kit why enter an already saturated market?
I think the best option would be to suspend browser production, go into a maintenance cycle for corporations that require it for compatibility and endorse another product.
The good news to many is that Microsoft will never do this. They will continue to develop IE... slowly. Their market share will slowly decline. By 2012 it will probably be less than 50%. They will further loose a lot of corporations as they transition to cloud computing, though many will no doubt keep Windows as the platform of choice to run a competing technology.
IE already has a very good plugin system
these features are already present in IE8 without using any additional plug-in
my IE8 opens instanly. (snipped)
it's no longer present since years!
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get a new PC
just use the new audio mixer comes with Vista
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Noobs who can't figure out downloading their own torrent client WILL NEVER figure out changing Opera's settings for default torrent program. Opera's 'feature' is in NO way noob friendly. If anything, it locks novices out of alternative torrent clients moreso than Windows locks novices out of alternative browsers.
In version 10 it now asks if you want to use your own program for handling torrents when you first click on a .torrent link. No more having to dig through opera:config to find the Disable option.
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IE8 was a big step in the wrong direction I think. IE7 + iepro was great... IE8 without that wonderful plugin just sucks. I'm going to uninstall it when I get home I think...
IE7 Pro has no reason to exist because the most of its features are now built-in IE8.
Ok?
running XP. From Vista to Win 7, I can count the times I've used IE on one hand.
Perhaps there was a security reason initially. At least that was a selling point to use Firefox in the early days. But now,
being so use to Firefox, I can't see using any other browser, with the possible exception of the SeaMonkey Suite.
I heard another news report on Neowin about how someone was trying to be funny at the expense of Firefox fanboys and failed miserably.
As I've said, I've used IE 8 a few times, and it is head and shoulders above any previous version in my opinion. If there were no Firefox any more, I'd use IE 8 over Opera, for sure.
It's good for an IE browser.
It's still less standards compliant, it's still slower to render, extensibility is limited, stability is hit or miss, Javascript is slowest of all the main browsers and the UI is a mess. So no, it's really not on par. And I'm honestly not a Firefox/Opera/Chrome fanboy or anything. I want IE to be as good as the rest as it means progress for the entire web and it will benefit both IE and non-IE users.
Ok, I confess, that's actually a rhetorical question.
The most mind-boggling part is that, despite Opera's childish whining, it's clear that competitors can enter the browser market and take Microsoft down to this level. And they managed to do it without lawsuits or complaining. All they did was get their product out there and offer it as a choice to others.
As always, word of mouth remains the most powerful advertising. That's how Mozilla got to this point and Opera could see this sort of success, too, but they need to direct their efforts towards innovation and away from scapegoating Microsoft.
Pity that the developers seem to have abandon IE7Pro.
Was hoping for an IE8Pro.
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They don't even track downloads from the same IP. There are Firefox fanboys out there that download hundreds if not thousands to manipulate the results, and there are hundreds if not thousands doing this. Then you need to factor in the bots.... There will NOT be any significant change if NEW Firefox usage. It's like Apple losing a significant market share after Windows 7 is released. It's just not going to happen. In the end the ONLY measurable lose will be to Opera and Chrome, and they will eventually regain any lose they suffered.
They should switch engine asap, goto webkit and optimize it like google and apple does.
Safari (Windows) - Fast; No Add-on Support; No Customization (try disabling Disk Caching!
Firefox - Fast; Lots of very useful addons; Massive Level of Customization.
Chrome - Idiot Magnet.
Opera - Do I even need to say anything?
What ****es me off though is that some 3rd party optimized builds (I am not talking about the ones that were just compiled with CPU optimizations) of Firefox are Linux only...
I like Firefox, especially all the add-ons.
I run chrome as well, mostly when I'm just doing some very casual surfing, it runs soooo much smoother than firefox.
Seems with every release, firefox is getting slower and more bloated. Right now, firefox.exe has 500 megs allocated in task manager, I mean wtf? I've got gmail open, and 3 other tabs. I've had firefox open for maybe 10 minutes now.
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