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Phorm shares plummet due to BT putting them on hold

Sam Alderwick   on 07 July 2009 - 10:52 · 16 comments & 2631 views

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Phorm, the controversial online advertising company, has watched its share prices plummet by 40 percent as BT made announcements that they had "taken a step out of Phorm". Although BT stated they were still interested in Phorm, the news of them taking a step back dropped their share price to 270p, according to an article by the BBC.

Although Phorm collects no personal data (including IP addresses), it has been criticised due to the way it stores copies of the pages a user visits, and later uses these in order to provide the user with relevant advertising.

BT, who previously carried out trials of Phorm's advertising products, has stated that the decision to put Phorm on hold was unrelated to the privacy issues that surround it, and more about "resources and priority."

Profiling is not something new – many search websites, including Google, create profiles of their users. However, the difference is that Phorm uses deep packet inspection to gather data from their users, and stores copies of the data that it gathers.

BT's decision resulted in the value of the company dropping by £35 million, according to The Press Association.
"We continue to focus considerable effort on faster moving overseas opportunities," Phorm said in a statement, mentioning that they are looking to South Korea and other markets, in order to reduce their dependency on particular countries and markets.

Since the BT trials which brought Phorm into the spotlight, several websites and ISPs have stated they will be either blocking or not using Phorm, some of which included Amazon and Orange.

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#1 s3n4te on 07 Jul 2009 - 11:33
whoa
#2 TranceSphere on 07 Jul 2009 - 11:39
Death to Phorm
(1 reply) #3 Majesticmerc on 07 Jul 2009 - 11:47
Lets hope their value drops to £0 sooner rather than later.
#3.1 n_K on 07 Jul 2009 - 13:38
+1
(1 reply) #4 CRTrials on 07 Jul 2009 - 12:13
Best decision BT have made in years?
#4.1 Kushan on 07 Jul 2009 - 13:13
CRTrials said,
Best decision BT have made in years?


To be fair, that's not difficult.
(2 replies) #5 ostriches on 07 Jul 2009 - 14:53
Honestly, I am SO tired of online advertising digging into my privacy in one way or another. It almost seems like there is NO privacy on the internet, that wouldn't happen to be true would it guys?
#5.1 HalcyonX12 on 07 Jul 2009 - 15:29
Hi, you must be new here.

What's already on the internet isn't private. What's going on in your computer is not public information, and communications between a user and the destination site being hijacked by third parties in order to extrapolate information on the person, these are the issues. It is an issue because marketing thrives on targeting a particular demographic. If we don't yank on their reins, marketing would be as invasive as possible.

Phorm collects more information by saving the pages you visit, which can reveal a lot, especially if they're also saving form submission "preview" pages and "summary" pages, as well as web mail, etc.

People don't normally have a problem with submitting information when they decide it is beneficial and useful, but here, information is being gathered to profile a user, for purposes that they don't directly desire, and at a much higher threshold. Security problems often lead to a leak of this data, which can be used for nefarious purposes such as social engineering hacks, ID theft, and fraud.

Phorm themselves can decide to hold that data, and sell it to other companies, passing the cost on to you when you make a purchase, which is probably what's happening. Phorm can use the data in ways you don't consent to without you knowing, simply because their internal policies can have loopholes, or can be broken in secret by an insider, perhaps without trace, and employees may not be trusted directly by you. The price for a list of credit card numbers could tempt such an employee.
#5.2 HalcyonX12 on 07 Jul 2009 - 16:03
And in fact it seems like there is more to it than merely taking a copy of the web site, according to a study on Phorm:

"The basic concept behind the Phorm architecture is that they wish to take a copy of the traffic that passes between an end-user and a website. This enables their systems to inspect what requests were made to the website and to determine what content came back from that website. An understanding of the types of websites visited is used to target adverts at particular users."

This is definitely a new level of data collection for typical advertising.
#6 xSuRgEx on 07 Jul 2009 - 15:26
virginmedia have dumped phorm too.
#7 Digix on 07 Jul 2009 - 16:31
they are disgusting what they do and should be dropped all together.
#8 +what on 07 Jul 2009 - 19:42
Well done BT. Now upgrade my 8Mb line please
#9 carmatic on 08 Jul 2009 - 06:40
i really wouldnt want to be in one of the 15 countries theyre targetting now!
#10 smooth_criminal1990 on 08 Jul 2009 - 12:53
I'd be happy to either pay full price and get my crappy ADSL connection upgraded, or pay a cut price (if anything) for connection by ADSL, for opting into phorm. No deal otherwise, I value my privacy rather highly.
#11 mmck on 08 Jul 2009 - 13:22
Phorm ads are surely less relevant than current google ads... afterall you will get ads about what everyone else on the connection looks at, rather than the stuff on the page you are looking at. So I don't get why you would even consider it as a good way to advertise.
#12 +TCLN Ryster on 08 Jul 2009 - 17:05
TalkTalk have also now dropped Phorm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8140368.stm

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