Neowin.net

Proof?

Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.16384.06102
Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.16385.061030.1720
Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.16386.061101.2205
Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.16422.070117.2336
Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.16426.070126.1015
Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.16430.070201.1530
Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.16455.070205.1848
Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0.6000.17015.070117.2019

All were 6000 and all were claimed as RTM.

So either you have a very good source or just copy pasta from wzor (which shouldn't even be quoted as news). Yah, too harsh again.

Last edited by FoxieFoxie on 12 Jul 2009 - 17:41

I think everyone's expecting MS to say it's RTM'd tomorrow, so if that's the newest build to date and they do in fact say Win7 has RTM'd on Monday it only makes sense to think of that as the final build #.

true, could be 16384 ..85 ..86. but it is 7600, no matter. we will know more tomorrow.

stop with the predicting, its stupid and not news

7600 is no prediction, it is certainly news. RTM will be 7600. the detailed build is still debatable, but the post didn't claim that to be the news.

Says who?

What a nonsense, making claims that are not backed up by actual facts is what you call news, I call it hearsay...period!

Indeed. Notice how nobody has actually responded to my "Says who?" question.

How come they make such a *huge* jump from 72xx to 7600?

Microsoft: Windows 7 hasn't reached RTM

You mean Wzor was wrong...AGAIN?!! Shocked I tell you. They have always been...so...wrong about everything so far.

Why does Neowin keep posting their rumors again?! The only thing they are EVER right on is the current build number which ANY MS oem, partner, or FoB has access to...ahem.

We just don't choose to publish it.

Sigh, excalpius, I know this has been said ad nauseam now but you're being an idiot. You obviously don't even read Wzor and just don't seem to like the site.

What they said was quite clear, build 7600 is RTM (most likely true) and they said themselves very clearly that the subset i.e. .84/.85 number will still change to get to the final RTM build.

You could even read the Neowin article and figure it out for yourself instead of dying to bash them. "Wzor reported that Windows 7 WILL RTM at build 7600", which does not mean "Wzor reported that the current build 7600 leak is RTM".

I hope this isn't too hard to understand but please try and read the site before commenting on their content. Many of their rumors have also turned out to be true and they leak a lot of the builds first themselves, so you'd expect some inside contacts.

Screw the "official release" in October. I'm looking forward to the Internet release this week!

+1

why, you think the beta keys are gonna work on the rtm version? where you gonna get a key from to make it work if it is rtm this week and you illegeally aquire it?

use trial 30 days, rearm 3 more times, use 120 days legally.

There are already methods to make the beta/rc keys work.

Well the first thing I'm counting on is that they give beta testers a free RTM key like they did with the Vista beta. If not, then hopefully it will be released on TechNet this week.

If not, then I could close the activation notifications and ignore the black background for as long as I need to.

Just in case, those free copies were only to the select beta testers group, not the general community one.

http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/mi...handsomely.aspx

As one of those select Tech Beta testers, I'm not counting on a free copy this time. I just get the feeling that things have changed at Redmond recently and the Tech Beta group isn't as valued as it once was. I'm happy to be surprised though , and it would be nice to know one way or another so I can buy a pre-order copy when they go on sale on the 15th if necessary.

No you would still be using it Illegally!! The 30 days to activate does not give you a license to us it with out a legit key. There is no try before you buy in Windows and never has been

This is a neowin.net article:
http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=38289

Thanks for informing us of this. It really matters a lot to us.

15th of July.

:crucifies LiquidSolstice:

hahaha I thought build 7331432340349234903904349023490 would be it! :p

I agree, 7300 would have been pretty logical from the the 7000 beta, the 7100 RC, and the special 7200 signoff build, but, well... I dunno.

Maybe they wanted it to coincide with XP's 2600 build, but that sounds a bit silly.

On the other hand, Windows 98 got build number 1998, so MS can be silly sometimes.

98 SE got 2222, so...

Nope.

Well actually they still have to get a different "build" string for x86 and x86_64 versions since they have to be compiled seperately. But anyways note the lack of a watermark on the lower right corner. Those only get removed on the final builds. Even RTM-Escrow builds would of had the watermarks still.

While your point of the watermark not being there on final builds is true, it is very easy to remove them from test builds. So, in this case, this could be fake, unlikely, but there is still a small chance. We will only know for sure tomorrow.

If MS is going to announce this tomorrow the 13th, then if they had a newer build than the one from the 10th, wouldn't people know about it? I really doubt MS would wait till the day before (today) to make a final build unless they found some big show-stopper bug from the build on Friday.

It'd be more safe to build it a few days before your announcement and run it through one final round of hard tests to be on the same side come Monday.

It's the weekend.

They would have done what you said last week if they really did choose a final RTM build.

Which no one says they actually have yet. Fingers crossed.

This is branched from Vista.. No need for a full re-write.. Kernel is now 6.1 so nothing major.. Next Windows hopefully will have Kernel 7.0. This is basically what Vista should have been. Vista was rushed out tho.

Microsoft has however told that the "6.1" numbering is only for backwards compatibility reasons, for apps that only check for the major version (6) and thinks "Aha! Vista, I support that!" Some apps are stupid like that, and get confused if they'd see a 7 there.

On the other hand, I didn't think this was a major issue with Vista's release. Vista touches the major version that was untouched since Windows 2000, after all. *shrug* That release was rather much more plagued by driver problems.

And programs that didn't follow the Windows XP development guidelines (i.e. they should work in both limited and adminstrator accounts)

The biggest problem are broken version checks, where people do:
if (MajorVersion >= 5 && MinorVersion >= 1)

That would fail on Vista but works on XP and Win7. You'd be surprised how common that is.

Windows 7 has been in development since well before 2008

Brandon dont be cruel can you give us some insight on this discussion? pleaaaase! lol

Fairly sure that's a typo, have reported it.

Yes, with the title, I also hope they have some "internal source" here that they aren't revealing, for their own sake. :-p But in that case, I think the article should also tell that, as they use to do. Right now, the article disagree with the source, which only claims that it's a potentially final build.

Not sure what your point is about MSDN, builds aren't available on MSDN instantly, never have been and always a week or two after sign off. 7600 is the final RTM build, the specific re-compile of it is possible (like Vista) but 7 will or has RTM'd at 7600.

Actually, what's worse is Wzor is a piracy website. Neowin aka "The League of Hypocrites"

Everyone is saying "7600 is the final RTM build". Says who exactly? Who is the source of that information?

Also, lol at Popcorned1's hypocrites statement. He does have a point though. Syndicating the news from, and thereby promoting a piracy website isn't overly smart on the part of Neowin.

Better sue Google as they "promote piracy" too. It's not promoting piracy it's calling sourcing information. If we were "promoting piracy" then we'd be linking to torrent sites and even Wzor themselves.

Neowin staff members are such the hypocrites it's not even funny. The following articles are linked to rlslog, well known piracy website.

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/05/08/t...million-to-mpaa
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/04/19/m...-pirated-movies

Of course, I'm just a mere "member" so I must be wrong.

It's since been closed down (for piracy), http://torrentfreak.com/web-sheriff-takes-...-rlslog-090119/

Why are you so butthurt over it anyway? I'm sure you're as big a pirate as anyone else here, so who's the hypocrite? Neowin's not posting links to torrents of the RTM build, or saying where to get them, hence it's not promoting piracy. Get your facts straight.

1. This has nothing to do with me. I'm correcting Tom W.
2. Neowin linked to a famous piracy website in those articles I posted.

Tom W, I may have been a little harsh in my post. Apologies.

Might have been a slight oversight when checking the article's sources. Also notice how the news stories you linked have been submitted by a member, not a news reporter/editor.

as rm20010 has pointed out both those stories were submitted to our ATW section (hence the source button on them). This means they were submitted by members and not by us.

I agree. Back in the day this site used to have links in a members only section that had all kinds of software downloads. That was the reason I initially joined neowin. It just amazes me that many older members have this holier than thou attitude towards piracy when this site was so involved in it back in the day.

I agree, that's all that matters to these news IMHO.

Even Wzor says it's not confirmed to be the final build.

We could all just wait another day and see what happens on the 13th.

Wzor posts are always like this. They just get the basic developer build notes and then mistranslate what they mean...over and over again.

Remember last month when they ANNOUNCED the RTM build would be done last month, only to realize that the RTM BUILD CYCLE was commencing last month? You know, something all of us already knew...ahem.

And this post is a simple 2+2 = rumor/guess in that there is a major MS event tomorrow and Windows 7 is in RTM build series, so there is a good CHANCE MS might get to announce the final build selection tomorrow.

Either way, the news is being reported as an announcement, when actually all that is being said is that MS might choose 7600 as an arbitrary build number for the final RTM...WHEN IT'S SELECTED. Nothing says that any of the current builds passed the ultimate OS challenge.

This is neither news, nor newsworthy, from a decidedly unreliable source.

I don't think you'd have to do that? Just drop the newer drivers in the driver.cab or w/e the file/folder is where Windows stores all it's drivers.

And if it screws something up? With Windows, you never know. That's what extensive testing is for. NO last minute changes!

Yes, driver additions have been a huge issue. Nvidia only just got a truly solid driver build out in beta two weeks ago, so hopefully it has WHQL'd by now.

I hope most of the bug fixes have been driver/install compatibility fixes. There are a LOT of machines that Windows 7 is failing to install on. Not sure if these are USB or SATA related or both, but either way, this needed to be addressed before RTM of course!

Some of them might be old PnP bios bugs creeping back in. This might be especially true if those systems originally had XP on them.

@shinji257, Normally I would agree with you 100% except these are all machines that have no problems installing Vista 32/64 on them. Are you saying these are the same bugs that originally stopped Vista from installing in the very early beta test days? That would be ironic...

Hehe.. I will still have XP in my bootable options till this is tried and true. hopefully its faster once all debug code is removed. Woot.

XP felt old to me in 2006. Now it's stone-age. :p Still a fast OS, but too damn old.

it's 7600, the post says nothing else. the detailed build number is speculation as the post says, "potential final build". move on

First of all it's not a "nobody", second it's not a guess. Sad that we get stupid comments like this more like.

It's comments like these that make me wish Neowin had an option to thumbs up/thumbs down comments

+1

Actually Wzor IS a nobody. Just a stupid Russian development build # leaker who has proven to be VERY unreliable in his knowledge of what each phase of the development process means.

Remember when this moron (or group of) confused "start of the RTM build cycle" with "RTM coming now!" last month? I do. And that was just the umpteenth stupid Wzor post by that point.

And these nobodies are just GUESSING which build # will become final.

So, while I too want a thumb up/down option, I support the original posters assertions here.

As the article says loud and clear that it is a "potential final build". get over it.

Agreed. I must have missed the link to the official source that confirmed 7600 would be the final build number. I'm not saying it's wrong necessarily, but it shouldn't just be taken on faith that just because somebody at Wzor or Neowin says it's true, then it must be true.

Maybe that should be included in the title then huh?

Actually, the title was originally "Windows 7 Hits RTM", then was edited to the current, less strongly worded title

Agreed. The title makes it sound official. Which it isn't.

the part where it says 'Windows 7 RTM build 7600' because its not confirmed by Microsoft, perhaps?

bingo.

No need to really, As they say, It's already confirmed that Windows 7 will RTM tommorow. Might change, sure, but thats what we know so far.

I suppose you are right. The naysayers may not agree, but to me all signs point to it being RTM. Big build number jump (only done on major milestones), no build string on the desktop, digital signatures are legitimate, etc.

then how about the headline 'Windows 7 may reach RTM as soon as tomorrow'

Which, we all already knew.

Oh, the "signs". I see. Must be true then.

Oh good grief! lol! Where did I claim to be psychic there? This is news to me. ROFL.

I'm just messing with you mate I am finding it amusing that everyone is taking this "information" on blind faith without so much as a shred of official information from Microsoft.

What do you think, genius. Obviously not.

+1 lol. Why would MS allow the RC keys to work on the final build of Windows 7? That would essentially mean that they were giving it away for free. Not happening! lol.

Wow, because Microsoft obviously is giving free copies of Windows 7 to everyone who got a RC key.

yeah, we should stick with xp, bloody calc icon ruins everything. sheesh...

It fits the rest of the new icons. All 3 of them.

And inconsistent with the rest.

If they still don't change by GA, then it shows MS priority on the UI. The new icons simply do not fit with the Vista style icons.

I too am a little surprised that Microsoft didn't change at least the major system icons from Vista. In the past each new generation of the OS got an icon overhaul. For proof, you can see the screenshots I posted in this thread ( http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...ost&p=591257966 ) That alone tends to reinforce the misconception that this is just Vista SE (although I didn't show it in that post, Windows 98 and 98SE also kept the same icons).

iconpackager + marathon icons = best icon experience

Get your self a damn copy of icon developer from stardock and fix the damn icon nd quit complaining

Ugly calculator icon = Window 7 epic fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Believe it or not, there's actually a fairly involved / boring technical reason for the chosen final build number.

Ahh they've both got a 6 in them. Perfect sense.

The build numbers are based on the main branch numbers that refer to the number of builds since the l...

Marketing told them to pick a round number

Everyone, be thankful that Windows 7 sounds like something marketing came up with. Seriously, MS marketing would have called it Windows Panorama (or worse) if they had the chance.

False and false. Why pretend to know something when you clearly don't? Marketing couldn't care less about build numbers...

It's called a bad joke, grin or something. I even put a smiley there to prompt you.

Yes, I know the build numbers are used internally and follow a strict formula.

(But don't deny that there wasn't a meeting to find a nice round number that fits the numbering scheme and sounds cool to developers. MS is all about developers.)

There are only 10 parts. It's incomplete, still waiting for another 22 parts.

Torrent links a also available i think.

update: This is NOT the final/gold RTM release.

Indeed.

What a mammoth waste of a domain name fee.

haswindows7rtmed, 2nd edition:
http://islongwrongaboutwindows7rtm.com/

*facepalm*

Reminds me of 98 when it came out. Then Second Edition shortly after.

This is Vista S.E. -- Vista, done right.

Vista WAS done right, but whatever floats your boat. It's been 32 months since Vista RTM'd. 98SE came out less than a year after 98. 7 isn't Vista SE, 7 is just 7. Guess we can throw you in with the crowd that never learned how to use Vista properly (or used it at all). If people are still complaining after 2 service packs, then they have no business using a computer at all.

I hate the "Vista done right" assessment, probably because it's partly right.

Vista was an INTERIM version of Windows. It was intended to bridge the gap between the COM world and the managed code/.NET world. In fact, in the early planning for Blackcomb it was intended to dispense with COM completely. Vista (or "Longhorn") was devised AFTER Win7, when it became clear that the userbase would need to be migrated carefully.

(A little side history with the codenames: "Whistler" (XP) was named for the ski mountain in British Columbia. "Blackcomb" (Win7) was named for a neighboring mountain. When they determined the need for an interim build (which became Vista), they named it "Longhorn". Why? The Longhorn is a bar in the valley between Whistler and Blackcomb )

Yes, Win7 still supports a lot of old COM code. Actually supports it better than Vista did, and when you factor XP Mode in it's no contest. But aside from Microsoft's improvement to the managed code architecture, the biggest reason Win7 will succeed is because the rest of the Windows ecosystem has caught up to the new platform now.

Mind you, we'll still see a few legacy issues with the migration to x64, but that's another post...

+1, Vista is superior to XP and is much more polished than 7 imo.

(Before I get flamed - Vista starts, shuts down, and sleeps much faster than 7 and the OOBE is insanely better in vista.)

+1

I've never had any issues with Vista that I couldn't fix on my own.

My doom production machine makes XP cry like a little girl. 8P

Vista 64 has been the best OS experience I have even had from MS.

And I am 100% sure that Windows 7-64 will soon rule my master production machine...as it has all my beta test machines.

What... the... ??? I'm sorry, but, you couldn't be more wrong... maybe you just had a bad experience or something was wrong with the 7 you installed... I had RC on my Toshiba laptop, and before that Public Beta... BOTH copies started up, shut down, and went to/woke up from sleep MUCH faster than Vista EVER did... and I don't think it's fair to say the OOBE of Vista is better than 7, when 7 hasn't even hit RTM... And from MY experience (which is MY opinion) even the Public Beta & RC of 7 was a much better experience than Vista EVER was.

Now before you fire at me saying I never used Vista or didn't know how to use it, you might want to stop before you speak. I love Vista, I used Vista back when it was in development as Longhorn (before they removed every great feature it held)... Vista is great, and yes, much better than XP, but, to say it's better than 7 is crazy talk, IMHO. I battled people to install Vista, and explained to them it's a great OS, and I still think it is... but clearly, 7, is the victor between the two.

Again, this is my opinion, and I'm sure others will agree with me.

I've reinstalled 4 times. Vista sleep is instant. Instant. 7 takes a good 20-30 seconds before it finally goes out. The fancy bootscreen adds more time to the startup time. OOBE isn't going to be changed because as it seems we've already hit RTM.

Don't get me wrong, Windows 7 is a lot faster in a lot of places compared to vista, but I'm getting way slower startup/shutdown/sleep times. That's my only gripe.

Now on my laptop that's another story. Sleep would take 2 minutes on vista and it's instant on 7. Bootup/shutdown is a lot faster too. So maybe it's a hardware thing?

But the OOBE is the problem that's consistent between the two computers. They slimmed it down a little too much. I liked the ability to choose a wallpaper (They could expand on that in Windows 7 and let you choose a theme) and a few other things vista let you do. And the "Getting started" program in 7 is a joke. Look at Vista's - it shows your username, your picture, and shows you detailed information on things you can do. 7's says "Discover windows 7" and has a cheap 2 line description.

Yep +1

Vista 64 has been the most stable reliable OS MS has ever released IMO

The only issues I had were drivers in the first 2-4 mths but after nvidia finally released a half decent driver I had no issues at all.

Unlike win7 RC which blue screened and froze on me multiple times......Although I love win7 and all the new features I won't be rushing to get it....as Vista is far more stable ATM

Might be a hardware thing, seems odd though. I've installed 7 on my laptop, like a mentioned, and my friend has installed it on his desktop (like dual core 3.20 Ghz, top of the line gfx card, etc) and 7 definitely proved to be faster... but could be the way your hardware was configured.

As for the "Getting Started" program... meh, that is seriously the least of my worries, in fact... I fail to see how that makes a one OS better than the other... but I guess that's just how I view it. haha. You want your username or picture? Click the 'orb'. Want to know what you can do with 7? Google it, or head over to the Windows 7 website. The "Getting Started" program is purely meant as a quick pop up for first time running, nothing more in my eyes.

The problem with the "Getting started" program is Microsoft actually mentions it as a useful resource.


I really with they'd improved it a little more if it's something a newbie is going to use when they start using Windows 7.

Well maybe in the RTM version it'll be more of a big deal? I mean, I remember hearing that the team wasn't done with some minor parts, and that isn't as big as a deal as other issues they were dealing with... same thing with the new icons... maybe RTM will seem a bit more of minor changes. I guess we'll find out tomorrow, right?

Hits = Ad traffic

Why announce something once, for real, when you can announce it as rumors, dismissed rumors, maybe true rumors, imminent release, has it leaked, my god it's leaked, it's on technet, it's officially out, etc.?

Screw 'em. They get no ad revenue from me. Adblock Plus to the rescue.

Yeah apologies I missed the "beta" word before development...

+1 LOL!!!

Yes, WZOR confirmed that to be a 100% true rumor!!!

You see, in Soviet Russia, RTM builds YOU!

Lol.

Haha

Yeah, well, read the quote carefully.

"A Microsoft spokesman told me this afternoon that no, a final build has not been declared for Windows 7..."

That's technically correct. It hasn't been publicly "declared."

"...and it has not been released to manufacturing."

Also technically correct. They haven't physically (or electronically) sent it to manufacturing yet.

That does *not* mean that the code's going to change between now and it "officially" becoming RTM. It's simply exactly what MS would say to keep the media hype to a time and place of their choosing.

you fail at being funny

Heh, that'd be pretty neat actually. Windows 7 build 7777.

If it's build 7777, I'll go back down the river on that same Banana boat and take lots of pics of the 'Clyde' for ya all.......

My Gf's Brother's Friends Mothers Father works at MS and he didn't say that.

Actually, that's what I thought they would use too. Play up the 'lucky 7' idea.

Will you smack him for me if he is wrong? As much as I'd like it to be 7777, I just don't see it happening... then again... Win 98 RTM was 1998 wasn't it? It could happen I guess.

There you go, I've just proven how easily Neowin and Wzor can fool some dumb people.

They didn't take what you said for granted, just gave you the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, build 7777 would actually be quite awesome.

Sure.... hehe.

No, intelligent people would have said "show me the Microsoft announcement". Oh wait, now I'm asking too much... intelligent people...

That dude's damn old.

Such as my MSDN subscription

And my TechNet subscription.

Nope.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2350114,00.asp

Wow, you must be desperate... sigh

I've started the download. Will be happy if it's confirmed tomorrow. If not I'll cancel the download.

MS05-39 is a vulnerability in some previous versions of windows, not a virus. Which virus did you get infected with?

Paris Hiltion Virus While I Was Viewing MSN.COM

Paris Hilton Virus = herpes. 8D

winver

I laughed when I saw that story. Tom Warren got punk'd.

Not at all, 7600 is RTM. I said 16384 is the "potential final build number". 7600 will be the overall RTM though. Care to explain how that makes me "punk'd" or did you forget to read before you posted?

Because this is a tech web site, and plenty of people on here will be getting it before October 22.

Just a handful? I really doubt that

Funny thing is, I don't trust the Windows Blog any more than the other "sources." Even after reading all of that, I still think there is a chance that 7600.16384.090710-1945 could be the final.

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thanks mate, great info