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Tom Warren   on 16 July 2009 - 19:43 · 46 comments & 12540 views

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Beginning next month Microsoft will start an upgrade to the Windows Update and Microsoft Update services.

Microsoft plans to start the infrastructure update in late August, claiming "it will take a couple of months to complete the rollout." The update is required to "maintain and improve service quality, reliability, and operations." The update will simply improve the user interface for Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 computers running Windows Update, adding a more visible and detailed description of updates as well as improvements in how users are notified about service packs.

If you currently apply your updates automatically then this update will not modify the look and feel of Automatic Updates. The infrastructure update will be automatically applied for those who have Automatic Updates enabled. For those who have selected "never check for updates" this update will not be applied.

The last update for Windows Update occurred in November 2008. For more information on Windows Update please visit the Microsoft Update Team Blog.

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#1 Quigley Guy on 16 Jul 2009 - 19:50
Nice... Hope to see some screenshots soon
#2 billyea on 16 Jul 2009 - 19:57
Darn it, I thought they were going to send a new UI for Windows through Windows Update.
*disappointedface*
(13 replies) #3 Intelman on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:01
They really need to reduce reboots...
#3.1 donBoomy on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:05
are you using windows 7? i feel like i never have to reboot after hotfixes...
#3.2 WooHoo!!! on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:08
Intelman said,
They really need to reduce reboots...


Yea, it's quite often.

I remember a story from a while ago about a Microsoft developer who despised rebooting for updates. I think he left for break during Vista's development and was furious because Vista required so many reboots after updating. I'm sure it was part of his job to reduce that problem but because he was on a break it never got designed out. As Windows 7 is Vista cleaned up and improved, the issue remains. Maybe the story rings a bell with other people.
#3.3 dismuter on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:21
donBoomy said,
are you using windows 7? i feel like i never have to reboot after hotfixes...


Would that be because the hotfixes for Windows 7 RC were just pretend hotfixes, and could do without a reboot?
#3.4 RaidenX on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:04
@WooHoo!!!
That story sounds like urban rumor to say that least, and complete BS to say the most. Every release of Windows has reduced the number of items that cause a reboot compared to the Windows version prior. It's that kind of insubstantial crap that has people who have never used Vista hating it.
#3.5 ricknl on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:06
It is not true. Microsoft released a few dummy updates alone with the real ones.
#3.6 excalpius on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:19
People forget just how many reboot updates we used to get in the XP and earlier days! 8P
#3.7 mikefarinha on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:29
excalpius said,
People forget just how many reboot updates we used to get in the XP and earlier days! 8P


Too true, I remember the days when you had to reboot in Windows 95 just to change your screen resolution?

Or in Windows 98 you had to reboot when you changed your TCP/IP settings.

I've been impressed with the progress. In Windows 7 you don't even need to log out of your profile to update your video card drivers.
#3.8 toadeater on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:39
WooHoo!!! said,
Yea, it's quite often.

I remember a story from a while ago about a Microsoft developer who despised rebooting for updates. I think he left for break during Vista's development and was furious because Vista required so many reboots after updating.


You will enjoy this email from Bill Gates:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp
#3.9 Minooch on 16 Jul 2009 - 23:53
*feel free to correct me Mac lovers*

Hey, Apple got it right! Every time I see my brother in-law update his mac, you can't even use it - it could just be major updates, but still sucks
#3.10 GP007 on 17 Jul 2009 - 00:25
As they take more and more things outta kernal space and into user space, rebooting is going to happen less and less. You can update and rolback video drivers without a reboot now afaik since that is back in user space.

But regardless of OS, any low level changes to kernel mode stuff will often need a reboot of some sort. Sometimes you just restart a service or a module though, but that's a sorta reboot in and of itself really.
#3.11 jamesVault on 17 Jul 2009 - 07:03
mikefarinha said,
In Windows 7 you don't even need to log out of your profile to update your video card drivers.


the same is in Vista
#3.12 Beastage on 17 Jul 2009 - 07:43
GP007 said,
As they take more and more things outta kernal space and into user space, rebooting is going to happen less and less. You can update and rolback video drivers without a reboot now afaik since that is back in user space.

But regardless of OS, any low level changes to kernel mode stuff will often need a reboot of some sort. Sometimes you just restart a service or a module though, but that's a sorta reboot in and of itself really.


Right, I think at this point, Windows Vista/7, OSX and Linux have similar rebooting needs, which seems to be as minimal as possible at current tech.
#3.13 machinethatgoesbing on 20 Jul 2009 - 12:43
Minooch said,
*feel free to correct me Mac lovers*

Hey, Apple got it right! Every time I see my brother in-law update his mac, you can't even use it - it could just be major updates, but still sucks


I would say that Apple does it, not because they could avoid it but because they don't want to risk causing instability; best to install the files, reboot and have a clean slate for end users to launch the applications.

Mind you, their delta updates have been horrible - they should be shipping combo updates all the time to avoid the problems I've seen because of these delta updates going wrong.
(11 replies) #4 digitalsoft on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:05
Reboots really are annoying.
#4.1 Skin on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:36
is 45 seconds out of someones life life every month really that annoying, or is it just something that is hip to complain about?
#4.2 Quigley Guy on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:41
Skin said,
is 45 seconds out of someones life life every month really that annoying, or is it just something that is hip to complain about?

or perhaps its the time for eveything to load up again or the time it takes to open up all our programs, webpages and documents again.
Some of us do more than just admire the wallpaper.
#4.3 +majortom1981 on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:47
Quigley Guy said,
or perhaps its the time for eveything to load up again or the time it takes to open up all our programs, webpages and documents again.
Some of us do more than just admire the wallpaper.


Then why not save the update install for when you shut down? Leaving your programs open when your not at your office is not the smartest thing to do.
#4.4 +Kirkburn on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:08
majortom1981 said,
Then why not save the update install for when you shut down? Leaving your programs open when your not at your office is not the smartest thing to do.

Er, at what point did he specify "office"?
#4.5 Shadrack on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:07
Skin said,
is 45 seconds out of someones life life every month really that annoying, or is it just something that is hip to complain about?


Well, I'm not in IT and don't know of a way to fix this problem... however, we have several "testing" computers and a computer dedicated to the microscope. Seems like everytime I sit down to use any of these computers a nag screen pops up saying that the system needs to reboot. Yes it is very ****ing annoying. ****ing annoying.
#4.6 Solid Knight on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:18
There's always time to reboot. It's only annoying when people delay for so long that updates stack on top of each other causing multiple reboots in a row.
#4.7 ZeroHour on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:24
Yeh but it would be nice if it resumed where you were kinda like firefox with tabs.
#4.8 nowimnothing on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:36
ZeroHour said,
Yeh but it would be nice if it resumed where you were kinda like firefox with tabs.

Vista has the hooks in it to notify programs when a shutdown is occurring and allow them to set themselves back up after reboot. I don't know about anyone else, but this works fine for me for Office and IE, doesn't seem like other programs take advantage of it though.
#4.9 JoDaddy on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:41
Shadrack said,
Well, I'm not in IT and don't know of a way to fix this problem... however, we have several "testing" computers and a computer dedicated to the microscope. Seems like everytime I sit down to use any of these computers a nag screen pops up saying that the system needs to reboot. Yes it is very ****ing annoying. ****ing annoying.


I used to just put an auto-restart item in every computer's scheduled items list for about 4 AM, and set the auto updates for 11 PM or so. Any updates would be applied, then the computer would auto restart, whether or not the update forced one.
#4.10 cork1958 on 17 Jul 2009 - 08:44
Shadrack said,
Well, I'm not in IT and don't know of a way to fix this problem... however, we have several "testing" computers and a computer dedicated to the microscope. Seems like everytime I sit down to use any of these computers a nag screen pops up saying that the system needs to reboot. Yes it is very ****ing annoying. ****ing annoying.


Sounds like you need an anger management class if you can get so ****ing annoyed just from doing a lousy reboot of a computer. Heck, you're at work anyway. Don't you get paid by the hour?!!

Anyone that can complain about doing a stupid reboot after updating is nothign but a whine a**!! Get real, people!!
#4.11 blehbleh on 17 Jul 2009 - 11:56
majortom1981 said,
Quigley Guy said,
or perhaps its the time for eveything to load up again or the time it takes to open up all our programs, webpages and documents again.
Some of us do more than just admire the wallpaper.


Then why not save the update install for when you shut down? Leaving your programs open when your not at your office is not the smartest thing to do.

Ever heard of hibernation?
I never shut down windows, only my computer. When i boot it up again it is in the exact same state as when i left it, just as i want. It's not the boot-time i'm concerned about, it's opening up my applications, logging into IM-services, resuming media playlist etc and getting back to my workflow.
Shutting down programs you will most certainly use again soon is not the smartest thing to do.
#5 nozen09 on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:18
Let me guess it will look like Windows 7 new Windows Update UI.

Last edited by nozen09 on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:25
(1 reply) #6 ajua on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:29
changing the Windows Update UI like in Windows 7 to show the description of every update is a must for Vista...

right-clicking and selecting details is annoying when they are more than a few...
#6.1 darkmanx21 on 16 Jul 2009 - 20:39
Exactly..I think it's just for unifying the interface..
#7 BrainDedd on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:04
It will improve the user interface for Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 computers running Windows Update

Doesn't seem like a major upgrade according to the article.
(2 replies) #8 LiquidSolstice on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:42
"If you currently apply your updates automatically then this update will not modify the look and feel of Automatic Updates. The infrastructure update will be automatically applied for those who have Automatic Updates enabled."


Uhh. What? Don't those two sentences contradict each other?
#8.1 ruhgster on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:47
I think what it's saying is that while windows update will be updated with a new UI, the automatic updates side will also be updated but will continue to look and feel the same to the user. I agree it could be worded better.
#8.2 sanriver12 on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:04
LiquidSolstice said,
"If you currently apply your updates automatically then this update will not modify the look and feel of Automatic Updates. The infrastructure update will be automatically applied for those who have Automatic Updates enabled."


Uhh. What? Don't those two sentences contradict each other?


i know, i had to read it like 3 times
#9 lordcanti86 on 16 Jul 2009 - 21:53
Can't wait until people start screaming "WHY IS M$ TOUCHING MY COMPUTER?!?!?!?!"
#10 artfuldodga on 16 Jul 2009 - 22:12
looking forward to this update
#11 eboyee on 17 Jul 2009 - 01:23
About that rebooting, I remember when they were announcing XP, they said that you want have to restart your PC for driver installing or updates .... Now even with win7 you have to restart.
#12 Lepton on 17 Jul 2009 - 01:56
I have a bad feeling about this. Don't screw it up by trying to make it pretty. Make it faster and give us more than a snippet of what the update is and I'll be happy.
#13 Gabe3 on 17 Jul 2009 - 04:12
they are probably just porting win7 update layout to vista.
(2 replies) #14 jamesVault on 17 Jul 2009 - 07:05
yet another reason to stick with Vista :-)
#14.1 testman on 17 Jul 2009 - 11:56
jamesVault said,
yet another reason to stick with Vista :-)

No.
#14.2 Majesticmerc on 17 Jul 2009 - 11:57
Because they're updating Windows update?


... Why?
(1 reply) #15 hotdog963al on 17 Jul 2009 - 12:28
At first glance I thought it said "planning updated UI via Windows Update", I was happy, and then I read it again.
#15.1 Gabe3 on 17 Jul 2009 - 16:47
hotdog963al said,
At first glance I thought it said "planning updated UI via Windows Update", I was happy, and then I read it again.

sounds like you were reading what you wanted to read.
#16 M_Lyons10 on 17 Jul 2009 - 21:53
Hm... Well, more information is definitely a plus. I look forward to seeing this update.

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