Update: The videos are now online and can be viewed below.Neowin recently reported that footage of the July 1969 live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moonwalk had been recovered after being lost for nearly 40 years. When NASA said that it was a hoax and nothing had been found many were left disappointed. Fortunately, NASA was either covering up the discovery or the person who made the announcement was uninformed.
At 11 a.m. EDT on Thursday, July 16 NASA will hold a press conference and release the recently found footage. "The release will feature 15 key moments from Neil Armstrong's and Buzz Aldrin's historic moonwalk using what is believed to be the best available broadcast-format copies of the lunar excursion, some of which had been locked away for nearly 40 years. The initial video released Thursday is part of a comprehensive Apollo 11 moonwalk restoration project expected to be completed by the fall. "
When the original story broke it seemed as if it could, indeed, be actually true. The events that were described seemed plausible and with the restoration project under way it seemed likely the footage may turn up. Thankfully it was not a hoax and we shall all soon see the lost footage.
When NASA put a man on the moon it was a triumph of achievement for the US as it showed its technical capabilities and its dedication to space exploration. NASA spent years planning for and developing specialized equipment for the mission. One such piece of equipment was a high resolution video camera that would send back images to Earth.
Because of the lack of technology at the time the video feed from the moon actually had to be compressed and scaled down to work on televisions across the world. After the initial recording of the high resolution stream from the moon the film went missing after its shipment back to the US. The only surviving record was a 16mm film that was shot at a black and white TV which gives us the only surviving recorded copy until today.
In Perth, Australia scientists were looking in old storage rooms for other data when they stumbled upon tapes from NASA which they thought would be information regarding moon dust from several later missions to the moon. To their surprise it was the long lost high resolution film from the first moon walk.
Thanks to Neowin member jameswjrose for the news tip
No they haven't.
it's not about if they went there, it's about what they saw there and why they did not return there afterwards after investing billions
People seem to forget that NASA *did* return to the moon after Apollo 11. Several times, in fact.
Yeah, funny thing they never look at the facts which denies all those stupid theories and answers the questions.
Instead, they just moan all over the internet with the mouth full of verbal diarrhea.
WATCH MYTHBUSTERS
Yeah, exactly. LMAO
Instead, they just moan all over the internet with the mouth full of verbal diarrhea.
Which is pretty much exactly the behavior of forum trolls.
Gee, I wonder if there's a connection here.
Heaven forbid they should have to admit they were snookered by some conspiracy theory nut and are WRONG about their ridiculous "we didn't go to the Moon" or "9-11 was an inside job" insanity.
For goodness sake, look at what NASA is doing RIGHT NOW in order to prepare for going back to the moon.
well i seen Mythbusters and that episode with the 'flag' (conspiracy theorist claim the flag cant blow/move since there's no wind etc) was proven it CAN move like that on the moon.
but i just seen a show on the History Channel not long ago and it does make you wonder about the landing on the moon, if it was real or not.
i guess maybe in the future we can get powerful enough telescopes and then once and for all prove if the landing was real by looking at the stuff left behind and the footprints etc etc.
This one comes from NASA itself.
I'll believe it when I see it. Literally.
That's been done a few times already by probes. In one pic you can actually see the Landing Site of one of the Apollo landing sites. I'll see if I can dig it up. But remember, we have instruments that were placed on the moon by the astronauts that are still in use by Astronomers to this day. The Observatories in Hawaii come to mind.
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/spa...arrives-at-moon
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/spa...arrives-at-moon
Don't forget the Japanese Probe that brought a HD camera along, SELENE.
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/spa...arrives-at-moon
The Chinese probe is no longer orbiting the moon as of earlier this year: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-03...ent_7523831.htm
It's one of those things where the "going to get evidence" gets built up more than the actual result, especially when there's vested interests in the continuing "debate" over whether we went to the Moon.
Since crop circles, big foot, and the loch ness monster have all been admitted as hoaxes by the perpetrators, this is one of the only 1970's nutter conspiracy theories left to these kooks.
Indeed, I did put "debate" in quotation marks
Peace,
James
Also, if there were any atmospheric dropouts, the signals received by other stations would have missing pieces/data that could be factored in.
Either way, it should look a hell of a lot better than the crappy 1960's TV broadcast some of us watched live in 1969.
I do hope you are correct. I was 5 when Buzz and Niel first landed, and I've been a science geek ever since (Met Buzz a few weeks back)
So there may be no coincidence, but NASA holding it until the right moment.
Besides, I'm not sure what you yourself would be assuming with that tinfoil hat on?
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...162736561726368
in french
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...162736561726368
in french
What's the video actually about?
"Hurrr, why is the sky black? Hurrr, those black crosses on the images - those must be markers for a film set! Hurrrr"
"Hurrr, why is the sky black? Hurrr, those black crosses on the images - those must be markers for a film set! Hurrrr"
unfortunately you're completely off with your examples there. The sky has been deliberately removed from the film. If you took the time to actually research your material, then you'd know that the crosses are markers on the lens of the camera used on the moon. This camera was an adapted earth camera, which also has the same lens markings. No matter what you pointed the camera at, the markers would still be shown; regardless of the background colour as the markings are physically attached to the lens itself. Some of the footage from nasa is missing the upper markings, evidence that someone has removed an area of the picture, taking the marking with it.
Yeah, those people in uniforms. They're always getting it wrong. :p
noooo
I hope we see less of Dr Manhattan's "meat and two veg".
Mythbusters are actual WIN!
Not to mention explaining the black sky, and more. But the conspiracy nuts will always reject reality and substitute their own. Adam and Jamie FTW!
Er, there was a kangaroo hopping across the desert in another one?
... what? Surely your name isn't really that appropriate.
Please tell me you're more intelligent.
There is no doubt that NASA faked a lot of photos. The release of new film will be analysed very closely against the original photos. They are sticking their neck out on this one!
Anyone seen the videos of China space walks? Where bubble can clearly be seen bobbling upwards! (under water space!
No I haven't. Got a link?
They do do this stuff. *sigh*
But as much as they do do, it's never enough. So they give up and stop entertaining idiots.
So, that's kind of against your "digging a hole" bit, y'know?
Bubble? Link please.
I'm sorry, but being happy to be a conspiracy theorist just exposes you as a bit sad, really.
They faked nothing. Conspiracy theorists just keep pointing out their own ignorance of science, photography, near zero-G, etc.
Other agencies have flown probes past the moon and have photographed the landing site.
If you had the right telescope, you could just look at it yourself...
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part2/section-22.html
Equipment left at the site will only appear as a dot since the moon is a bit far away. Thankfully, it's not necessary for everyone to believe the landing was made in order for for it to have occurred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
Kirkburn said...
They do do this stuff. *sigh* But as much as they do do, it's never enough. So they give up and stop entertaining idiots. I'm sorry, but being happy to be a conspiracy theorist just exposes you as a bit sad, really.
I think it's sad that we are continually lied to. I suppose you believed them when they said they never saw the current economic collapse coming. Friend, I was reading chapter and verse four years ago, now these same guys once labelled "Dr Doom" and "conspiracy nuts" are now guru's. (BTW, it is far from over! ) NWO here we come!
Goldman Sachs, have gone from being bust to billions in profits in a year. "Credit Crunch" yeah! right, I call it the great Henry Paulson's tax payer grab. Buddy, smell the coffee and leave the Kool Aid alone!
Goldman Sachs, have gone from being bust to billions in profits in a year. "Credit Crunch" yeah! right, I call it the great Henry Paulson's tax payer grab. Buddy, smell the coffee and leave the Kool Aid alone!
Hilarious.
http://www.wechoosethemoon.org/
Well I'm sure Mythbusters went into it with a totally open mind, and came to the right conclusion. You can sleep peacefully again tonight.
But did they show any of the hours of filmed rehearsals and mock ups that Armstrong and the others did on the fake moon / lander set? I bet they didn't not, it might have confused the viewers!
Pick your reality, you can believe that the world is as it seems, or take a leaf out of Paul Burrel's experience, when he was told by the Queen... "There are many dark forces, that we understand very little about"
But did they show any of the hours of filmed rehearsals and mock ups that Armstrong and the others did on the fake moon / lander set? I bet they didn't not, it might have confused the viewers!
Pick your reality, you can believe that the world is as it seems, or take a leaf out of Paul Burrel's experience, when he was told by the Queen... "There are many dark forces, that we understand very little about"
Do you happen to belong to the Flat Earth Society? You sound like them...
Sounds like they went into it with a much more open mind than you...
Agreed. Many conspiracy nutters are just people who refuse to admit they were conned by some other conspiracy nutter.
Admitting one is wrong and foolishly bought into someone's "for profit/fame/ego/mental illness" scam is a path to true enlightenment.
Are you saying that human beings were smart and wise enough to practice for any and all contingencies before undertaking the most exciting and dangerous voyage in the history of all mankind?!
I'm shocked that they'd value their lives or the billions of dollars spent to prepare for the mission by actually practicing for the main event.
I hear they even floated around in fake zero-G "vomit comet" flights, which they FILMED TOO! Conspiracy, fake!!! Not practice or preparation...
/end sarcastic rant
The footage released today is restored from what we all originally saw.
Sharper
On earth of course, we have air.. and air is heavy
Why in the world would they use Quicktime? Hopefully somone will post on YouTube soon enough...
If you have windows 7, I thought they were going to build in native quick time codecs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DzowVHtmmM
Silverlight?
At the time of this hoax, the country was in turmoil and people needed something to believe in, something to hope for, that was bigger than them. Hence the ability of the human race to walk on the moon.
The technology didn't exist. First we don't have radios to this day that are capable of traveling the lengths that were needed, LET ALONE the video capabilities. The mere thought of being able to launch ourselves FROM the moon BACK to earth with a pod no bigger than a VW Bus makes me laugh.
Don't get me wrong, someday we'll be able to actually visit other planets, and even walk on them. For now though, for those that CAN'T think outside the box, enjoy your 'authentic' NASA photos that were "lost." (being doctored with today's technology to help strengthen a weakening believe that we actually NEVER accomplished.
Google it, you'll see how easy it was to accomplish. My favorite part is the Cherry Picker truck in the background, on the "moon" *gasp*
I used to believe, then I traded magic for fact. I hope you do too.
VoX
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It hurt because you eat what your fed, I'm sure you were at least 15 before you realized that Santa Claus didn't actually slide down a chimney and leave you gifts
It's ok, we all start somewhere.
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Well, I can see why you believe it. lol Thanks for that.
You're absolutely right, we launched a rocket at the sky. Which just happens to be the general of direction of space. "People" are quite naive actually. I'm not saying I'm any better.
Just wait and watch what science is getting ready to prove
At the time of this hoax, the country was in turmoil and people needed something to believe in, something to hope for, that was bigger than them. Hence the ability of the human race to walk on the moon.
The technology didn't exist. First we don't have radios to this day that are capable of traveling the lengths that were needed, LET ALONE the video capabilities. The mere thought of being able to launch ourselves FROM the moon BACK to earth with a pod no bigger than a VW Bus makes me laugh.
Don't get me wrong, someday we'll be able to actually visit other planets, and even walk on them. For now though, for those that CAN'T think outside the box, enjoy your 'authentic' NASA photos that were "lost." (being doctored with today's technology to help strengthen a weakening believe that we actually NEVER accomplished.
Google it, you'll see how easy it was to accomplish. My favorite part is the Cherry Picker truck in the background, on the "moon" *gasp*
I used to believe, then I traded magic for fact. I hope you do too.
VoX
Where is your proof that all of this is fake?
Just wait and watch what science is getting ready to prove
So what credentials do you have in Spaceflight, Construction of Rockets and its systems, space/ground communications that make you think this is a fake? Can you show us that and your studies that this was faked?
You make fun of ignorance yet you think the space shuttle proves that NASA had radio equipment that can communicate with people on the moon? Not only was the space shuttle decades later, it's a walk across the street compared to going to the moon. You are a fool, even if the "conspiracy theorists" are wrong at least they have taken the time to do some research and come to their own conclusion rather than trusting the government like a little puppy.
What research? Show me research that can withstand the scrutiny of other researchers and not laughed at. Most of this "research" (and I have read a lot of it, including some postings here that I have shot down personally) has been shown over and over again (including the infamous 'c' rock which turned out to crap on a negative). Nothing has been proven. Hell Vox said he saw a cherry picker on the moon. Okay... show me the picture that shows it. He hasn't and hasn't shown it for proof.
What I find amazing is that there are so many people that think the Apollo missions were frauds... but what about the past and present Mars Missions? What about the Probes sent out to other various planets since the 60's we have launched. Are all of those programs fraud too? Hell we landed on Mars with the Viking probes in 1976. That's an amazing feat for its time. Was that program a fraud as well?
Ok I'll field this one because I get really irked about people saying the moon landings were fake. I'll take it one sentence at a time. You said we don't have radios capable of traveling the distance. Ok the Moon is on average 384,408 KM from Earth. The speed of light is approximately 299,793 KM/s (All Electromagnetic Wavelengths, including Radio, travel at the speed of light.) So lets do the math shall we (384,408/299,793=1.28 ) so that's 1.28 seconds to send a Radio transmission to the Moon and 1.28 seconds to receive a reply. You could easily have a real time conversation at that short of a delay.
As for the Launch back to Earth from the Moon's surface. Let's see the LEM (Lunar Exploration Module) only had to launch from the surface to lunar orbit to rendezvous with the Command Module in Lunar orbit. Well i'm not a Physics expert but I do know that the Moon's gravity is not near as strong as the Earth's. Lunar gravity is about 1/8th that of the Earth. The rocket motor would not need to be near as large to escape the Lunar surface and reach orbit. The rockets need to launch from Earth needed to be so large because they had to haul all the fuel and equipment into orbit.
Laser Ranging Retroreflector - google it (or bing it) ... u will learn something really interesting
And for your information, we made the experiment several times (at university) of measuring the distance from earth to moon with the help of that device.
This is more than a proof, its a FACT
Next time, get some IQ before making such absurd statements
Laser Ranging Retroreflector - google it (or bing it) ... u will learn something really interesting
And for your information, we made the experiment several times (at university) of measuring the distance from earth to moon with the help of that device.
This is more than a proof, its a FACT
Next time, get some IQ before making such absurd statements
ssssh! it was placed there by robots...
...at least to conspiracy idiots out there believe that.
Laser Ranging Retroreflector - google it (or bing it) ... u will learn something really interesting
And for your information, we made the experiment several times (at university) of measuring the distance from earth to moon with the help of that device.
This is more than a proof, its a FACT
Next time, get some IQ before making such absurd statements
Verifying data from a 3rd party source such as the University of Texas is always nice. Problem is, the Soviets placed similar arrays using unmanned rovers in 1970 and in 1973, and NASA could have done the same. So if you are trying to use this as proof that men walked on the moon, it's completely irrelevant, Mr IQ.
Where is your proof it happend? Were you there?
There are documentaries available from ex nasa employees , including those that worked the "Photolab" that were fired and forbidden to do certain things.
Both Bias and non Bias interviews are there , you just have to remove the veil.
Or.. keep eating the crap being fed to you. It's sad really. Someone says we did something and we don't question it? ffs. THINK.
VoX do u want facts?
Laser Ranging Retroreflector - google it (or bing it) ... u will learn something really interesting
And for your information, we made the experiment several times (at university) of measuring the distance from earth to moon with the help of that device.
This is more than a proof, its a FACT
Next time, get some IQ before making such absurd statements
Verifying data from a 3rd party source such as the University of Texas is always nice. Problem is, the Soviets placed similar arrays using unmanned rovers in 1970 and in 1973, and NASA could have done the same. So if you are trying to use this as proof that men walked on the moon, it's completely irrelevant, Mr IQ.
Get more "Engrish" before typing anything to me. You need my approval first
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...piracy_theories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_e...o_Moon_landings
If you haven't watch the movie Idiocracy, then everyone needs to.
Humanity is done for.
and Treemonkey, what the hell does a logic class have to do with common sense? Nevermind, don't answer that. Your name is treemonkey... lol
If you haven't watch the movie Idiocracy, then everyone needs to.
Humanity is done for.
and Treemonkey, what the hell does a logic class have to do with common sense? Nevermind, don't answer that. Your name is treemonkey... lol
What does logic have to do with common sense? Not much, common sense is usually based on assumptions that are often correct. What does logic have to do with definitive proof? Everything.
To say that the existence of reflectors on the moon proves that men walked on the moon, while knowing similar reflectors have been placed by unmanned vehicles, is a logical fallacy. There may or may not be other proof that men walked on the moon, but the reflectors don't really qualify.
If you haven't watch the movie Idiocracy, then everyone needs to.
Humanity is done for.
and Treemonkey, what the hell does a logic class have to do with common sense? Nevermind, don't answer that. Your name is treemonkey... lol
Did you completely read both Wikipedia articles that I posted which have sources included to each of their claims? If there is anything right/wrong there, please go ahead and mention it but include sources/fact/evidence/etc that prove it is right/wrong.
Dont just say "Its wrong/right. Watch Idiocracy"
I'm trying figure out why you took the time to type that.
Troll.
I'm trying figure out why you took the time to type that.
Troll.
You are a moron.
For one you are on an internet forum arguing about the Moon Landing you don't believe in trying to force your views on everyone else. Do you really think your statements are going to alter anyone's point of view? I highly doubt it. Plus if it means "very little" to you why are you even here posting your garbage?
You fit the description of a troll 100%.
So I'm trying to figure out why YOU took the time to type that.
That's about the only sensible thing you have said so far.
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Ill repost:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...piracy_theories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_e...o_Moon_landings
Did you completely read both Wikipedia articles that I posted which have sources included to each of their claims? If there is anything right/wrong there, please go ahead and mention it but include sources/fact/evidence/etc that prove it is right/wrong.
Dont just say "Its wrong/right. Watch Idiocracy"
Ill repost:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...piracy_theories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_e...o_Moon_landings
Did you completely read both Wikipedia articles that I posted which have sources included to each of their claims? If there is anything right/wrong there, please go ahead and mention it but include sources/fact/evidence/etc that prove it is right/wrong.
Dont just say "Its wrong/right. Watch Idiocracy"
I ignore them because I've read it all. Everything. Name it.
I'm all for the truth. I choose to believe what I want. NOT what is "shown" to me or "Shoved" down my throat.
I simply look at what's presented. Use a very 'tiny' bit of logic (as this doesn't require much to begin with) and I made a choice.
Just because there are powers that be, I.E. "The Government" etc.. that can change, say, alter, frighten, coerce , and force people to do whatever they want doesn't mean we didn't land on the moon.
It simply means that we as individuals (Not a group sniveling , drooling cavemen) can think for ourselves and realize...
We're not that advanced.. yet.
Believe what you want. You think I care?
I bet you believe in God because you were "told" to.
To each their own.
We'll all be proven one way or the other very soon.
Ill repost:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...piracy_theories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_e...o_Moon_landings
Did you completely read both Wikipedia articles that I posted which have sources included to each of their claims? If there is anything right/wrong there, please go ahead and mention it but include sources/fact/evidence/etc that prove it is right/wrong.
Dont just say "Its wrong/right. Watch Idiocracy"
I ignore them because I've read it all. Everything. Name it.
I'm all for the truth. I choose to believe what I want. NOT what is "shown" to me or "Shoved" down my throat.
I simply look at what's presented. Use a very 'tiny' bit of logic (as this doesn't require much to begin with) and I made a choice.
Just because there are powers that be, I.E. "The Government" etc.. that can change, say, alter, frighten, coerce , and force people to do whatever they want doesn't mean we didn't land on the moon.
It simply means that we as individuals (Not a group sniveling , drooling cavemen) can think for ourselves and realize...
We're not that advanced.. yet.
Believe what you want. You think I care?
I bet you believe in God because you were "told" to.
To each their own.
We'll all be proven one way or the other very soon.
Then name the things that are "shown/shoved" to us that are fake and why. Go ahead.
I'm all for the truth. I choose to believe what I want. NOT what is "shown" to me or "Shoved" down my throat.
And it seems like you've made a decision on what to believe and nothing anyone says seems to be able to change that. Here's another site that debunks several claims point by point (taken from some conspiracy special Fox did on it):
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=106637066
LOL
But this is how I feel about it
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Actually there are photographs with stars in them, only they were taken with an ultraviolet sensitive camera so they would appear.
copy paste from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_L...spiracy_theorie
The flag placed on the surface by the astronauts flapped despite there being no wind on the Moon.[71] Sibrel said "The wind was probably caused by intense air-conditioning used to cool the astronauts in their lightened, uncirculated space suits. The cooling systems in the backpacks would have been removed to lighten the load not designed for Earth's six times heavier gravity, otherwise they might have fallen over".
* The astronauts were moving the flag into position. Without air drag, these movements caused the free corner of the flag to swing like a pendulum for some time. A horizontal rod, visible in many photographs, extended from the top of the flagpole to hold the flag out for proper display. The flag's rippled appearance was from folding during storage, and it could be mistaken for motion in a still photograph. The top support rod telescoped and the crew of Apollo 11 could not fully extend it. Later crews preferred to only partially extend the rod. Videotapes shows that when the flag stops after the astronauts let it go, it remains motionless. At one point the flag remains completely motionless for well over thirty minutes. (See inertia.) See the photographs below.
Cropped photo of Buzz Aldrin saluting the flag (note the fingers of Aldrin's right hand can be seen behind his helmet).
Cropped photo taken a few seconds later, Buzz Aldrin's hand is down, head turned toward the camera, the flag is unchanged.
Animation of the two photos, showing that the flag is not waving.
The flag is not waving, but is swinging as a pendulum after being touched by the astronauts. Here[72] is a three-minute video from Apollo 15 showing that the flag does not move except when the astronauts move it. Here[73] is a thirty-minute Apollo 11 video showing that the flag does not move.
There are no stars in any of the photos. The Apollo 11 astronauts also claimed in a press conference after the event to have not remembered seeing any of the stars.
* The sun was shining. Cameras were set for daylight exposure, and could not detect the faint points of light.[50], pp. 158–160Even the brightest stars are dim and difficult to see in the daytime on the Moon. Harrison Schmitt saw no stars from the Moon.[51] The astronauts' eyes were adapted to the brightly sunlit landscape around them so that they could not see the relatively faint stars. Camera settings can turn a well-lit background into ink-black when the foreground object is brightly lit, forcing the camera to increase shutter speed in order not to have the foreground light completely wash out the image. A demonstration of this effect is here.
But i guess you ppl already know this?!!?
To all the conspiracy idiots
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...pollosites.html
BTW 2 mio saw the 150 meters high Saturn V rocket launch live.
To all the conspiracy idiots
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...pollosites.html
BTW 2 mio saw the 150 meters high Saturn V rocket launch live.
Haha, Of course
this: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...pollosites.html
can only be found on american CNN i NASA
Luke, y must be watching CNN all day long ?
They have very `perfect` technology to LIE and destroy world, they don't need cameras for that, you cant blaim them then
Haha, Of course
this: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...pollosites.html
can only be found on american CNN i NASA
Luke, y must be watching CNN all day long ? HAHA
Hi
To all the conspiracy idiots
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...pollosites.html
BTW 2 mio saw the 111 meters high Saturn V rocket launch live.
No, I do not watch cnn all the day, I am not from the US, but from Denmark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtWMz51eL0Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taIxlNA_Lw&feature=related
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