Microsoft scraps Windows 7 'E' version for Europe

Microsoft confirmed late on Friday that it plans to kill off the Windows 7 'E' version for Europe.

In a statement a company official confirmed Windows 7 E is no more:

In the wake of last week's developments, as well as continuing feedback on Windows 7 E that we have received from computer manufacturers and other business partners, I'm pleased to report that we will ship the same version of Windows 7 in Europe in October that we will ship in the rest of the world.

One reason we decided not to ship Windows 7 'E' is concerns raised by computer manufacturers and partners. Several worried about the complexity of changing the version of Windows that we ship in Europe if our ballot screen proposal is ultimately accepted by the Commission and we stop selling Windows 7 'E'. Computer manufacturers and our partners also warned that introducing Windows 7 'E', only to later replace it with a version of Windows 7 that includes IE, could confuse consumers about what version of Windows to buy with their PCs.

Microsoft has proposed to the EU, the idea of a ballot screen to showcase different browsers that end users can select. Earlier this week Microsoft officials confirmed this ballot screen will be available for XP and Vista users too.

According to CNET those who pre-ordered Windows 7 'E' through a recent discount offer will get the full version, as Microsoft had promised. Microsoft will now be selling Windows 7 upgrade copies and a higher-priced full version (for those without a previous copy of Windows) similar to the rest of the world.

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So this means people can upgrade to the final sale version without needing to clean install a Windows E version (which was originally going to be the case).

I did not ask a question - I was stating the benefit of now letting those within the EU to have the full version (if you were to move to the proposed final E release version from a currently released version it would have required a complete clean install rather than just an upgrade. Effectively every tester in the EU would have to clean install Windows 7 - now this is no longer the case

It doesn't change anything, IE bits are still in the E versions, the engine mostly. They just readd the rest of IE, like the US version has, same build etc that's already went RTM, and after that they just set a first run IE screen that points to this ballot box site etc. It's nothing much to change.

andrewbares said,
Don't think they RTM-ed the European versions yet.

MS is still having the cheese processed for the whinEer's Edition.

tom5 said,
How can they change the bits now when it's already RTMed?

This doesnt have anything to do with the core , so no need for RTM or anything


wanna bet they will just make a shortcut at start so it can popup a box and you can choose the browser ( I even bet it will be IE poping up so you can choose a diferent browser )

the html can be anywhere on the dvd :P

Wait wait, did the rest of the world just get screwed/forced into this ballot screen crap too? Thanks EU.

splur said,
Wait wait, did the rest of the world just get screwed/forced into this ballot screen crap too? Thanks EU.

Yes , if you are a IE lover , good for you , dont need to bother , if your neighbor hates IE he can have a choice , specially for those who were afraid that not having IE could not browse the internet , and even they couldnt d/l something ( dear god )

ahh the old days were so much better people actually knew how to use commands to retrieve stuff they wanted , they could even use lynx if they only wanted to read the text and avoid sucky images )

The old days? You mean when most people connected through AOL? Or do you mean the old days when so few people had access to the internet that the only people who COULD bother with a web browser were the ones informed enough to know commands?

Anything niche will always have a more informed userbase--because it's niche. You might as well be whining that computers have gone mainstream.

1. Love the ballmer is running MS into the ground comments... Windows 7 and office 07 seem to say other wise. The shear number of people who downloaded and ran/are running Windows 7 beta says clearly that it will do very well.

2. For those who don't know which version of Windows 7 to get... Download the beta and try it out. Make a list of the features you like and use often then get the corresponding version that has those features. Actually try to be an informed consumer instead of a lump of flesh.

3. We finally purged all Macs from our network this summer. Appears Mac can't do certificate based security. I am so overjoyed

rob.derosa said,
So why are Apple still allowed to bundle safari with their OS? No one should be forced to use that..

So why do we repeat ourselves. OSX isn't the dominant player. Neither OS forces anyone to use either. It's about making the playing ground level on the dominant OS so that people and developers/companies can get equal exposure and choice to that of which IE does on the majority OS without having to rely soley on marketing or word of mouth exposure.

Let's also remember safari isn't windows only.

Apple gets to bundle Safari with their OS because they are nowhere near monopolizing the browser market share. Antitrust laws are meant to avoid monopolies, it has nothing to do with reciprocated action or equal punishment.

So a large company can get in trouble for doing something to break antitrust law, but a small company could do the exact same thing and nothing would happen. Unfair, that's capitalism for you.

The reasons are simple, MS is using it's monopoly on the desktop PC market to "force" IE onto users and this is how IE took over in the first place. Fact is most users will use whatever browser happens to be already installed, in most cases IE. Apple are allowed to "get away with it" because they have no monopoly on the desktop PC market and therefore cannot influence anywhere near as many people as what MS can.

@cerealfreak

It's not the fact that it already has a monopoly over the browser marketshare, but that there's a potential that it will although highly unlikely, Microsoft is taking advantage of their majority market share and their actions are enforcing that potential. Understand antitrust law.

Well, this is probably a good idea. Does this mean everyone gets the ballot screen now, or everyone gets IE? I'm fine either way. It's the non techie people that are going to be confused...

i can sort of understand why this started.I fix a lot of peoples computers,and the majority of the people did not even know there was an alternative browser to ie.But u could say the same about a lot of software thats built in windows,like photo viewer,dvd burner,video player,music player,email...the list goes on.What's so special about the browser?

ccoltmanm said,
Tell me again why a company can't include whatever they want on their own software?

Because it destroys competitiveness with other companies. It only applies to monopolies however.

It's all very simple. The market leader, you see, can't sell a product with the same features offered by every single one of their competitors. If three brands sell an identical product, and one brand has more 'name recognition', that brand will get all the business. By forcing them to remove a feature, the less successful companies won't have to put ANY effort into competing by improving their products.

Here's how it works. If Windows and MacOS have an identical feature set, Windows wins because of name recogntion (since Mac has a 10% market share, that means 90% of people have never heard of Apple before). Rather than Apple introducing a new feature to make it more attractive than Windows, all they have to do is ask the government to force Microsoft to remove features from Windows, automatically making MacOS more complete in comparison.

Also, if Windows has a feature MacOS doesn't, sue Microsoft to remove the feature from Windows, then add it to MacOS. Advertise MacOS as the only operating system on the market with the feature.

/this post is entirely tongue-in-cheek and loaded with unsubstantiated hypotheticals. read at your own risk.

Good post, Joshie!

But what about the iPhone's?? They're pretty much a monopoly, and you can't even install a browser on it?!?!?! WTF!!!

andrewbares said,
Good post, Joshie!

But what about the iPhone's?? They're pretty much a monopoly, and you can't even install a browser on it?!?!?! WTF!!!

The iPhone is not a monopoly. You can make calls without one and you can use AT&T without one. But how would you run Windows software without Windows? How would you view a website that's designed for Windows (Silverlight, ActiveX, IE, etc.)? That's the difference, Windows affects other markets, the iPhone doesn't.

toadeater said,


The iPhone is not a monopoly. You can make calls without one and you can use AT&T without one. But how would you run Windows software without Windows? How would you view a website that's designed for Windows (Silverlight, ActiveX, IE, etc.)? That's the difference, Windows affects other markets, the iPhone doesn't.


That's an exagerated example of things that no longer applies today.

Windows software needs windows, yes, but that's the same for OSX software and *nix software. If a app is made for a specific platform you can't help that fact. It's like saying why how would I run PS3 games without a PS3? It makes no sense.

If you want to get right down to it alternatives for windows apps on other OSs are out there, just look for them.

If you hit a website that's IE specific, that's just bad webdesign and hardly MS's fault as the market leader. Silverlight is crossplatform even though Moonlight doesn't have v3.0 support yet, it will in time. ActiveX stuff can be done with other plug-ins by other browsers.

Really there is no "windows designed websites" Only something that doesn't support other browers and only IE for some odd reason. This though is less and less an issue now.

Windows doesn't effect other markets like you think. Maybe back in the 90's but now you have loads of other options out there if you want to take the time to try them out.

I'm mostly a Windows user also, but I've installed and used many different OS's and distros from time to time to see how things are going. Unless you have this need to use a specific app to do you job and that happens to be a windows only app, that's not how the cards fall. Ask the app developer to make a *nix or OSX version, but something tells me that if it's not in demand on those platforms you won't see it there.

This is also why many freeware apps are now made for Windows, OSX and Linux.

Joshie said,
It's all very simple. The market leader, you see, can't sell a product with the same features offered by every single one of their...

/this post is entirely tongue-in-cheek and loaded with unsubstantiated hypotheticals. read at your own risk.


Thank you? Yes, you are on my side... ok thank you.

toadeater said,
The iPhone is not a monopoly. You can make calls without one and you can use AT&T without one. But how would you run Windows software without Windows? How would you view a website that's designed for Windows (Silverlight, ActiveX, IE, etc.)? That's the difference, Windows affects other markets, the iPhone doesn't.

How will you run Mac apps without a Mac. And for what it's worth, I'm sure silverlight is available at least on Linux in the form of Moonlight or whatever it's called.

But anyway, with the iPhone they are being looked at by the FCC atm for potential anti competitive actions in regards to how they handle the acceptance of applications in the store.

To be honest I feel the case is ridiculous for the simple fact that you could install anything else if you wanted and so could OEM's. Consumers have always had the choice and if Mozilla or Opera feel that they aren't aware of the alternatives due to the pervasiveness of Windows then the problem lies with their marketing divisions for not being effective. I mean, most of Mozillas marketing as far as I'm concerned relies on word of mouth or viral promotions and the like online which while effective for one audience is hardly going to hit the mums and pops out there. I fail to see why MS should be the one selling their application.

Now the EC needs to apply the same rules to WMP, for MS are trying to abuse their position to promote the zune/wmp combination. We also need to see the DOJ taking heed of this victory and pressuring MS in the US; All americans out there please write to your senator/DOJ to get the same action over there!

LoveThePenguin said,
Now the EC needs to apply the same rules to WMP, for MS are trying to abuse their position to promote the zune/wmp combination.

They really should, it would mean that MS don't have to make another edition for Europe (I presume they still have to do Windows N?), and it makes my life easier as someone who doesn't use WMP. They could probably do it for IM'ing apps as well (which is good for them since I don't think they're allowed to bundle WLM by default?).

Win win.

Wait what? WMP? They already had a case over WMP and the EC ruled on it, that's over and done with. And there is no zune/WMP combination.

The zune software comes with the hardware or is an optional download, and if you do use it without a zune device it's like iTunes, it will replace, not work with, WMP. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

LoveThePenguin said,
Now the EC needs to apply the same rules to WMP, for MS are trying to abuse their position to promote the zune/wmp combination. We also need to see the DOJ taking heed of this victory and pressuring MS in the US; All americans out there please write to your senator/DOJ to get the same action over there!

EU needs to go after Microsoft for bundling Notepad, Wordpad, Paint, Sound Recorder, Windows Explorer, Windows Media Center, Calculator ...

Wanderermy said,
EU needs to go after Microsoft for bundling Notepad, Wordpad, Paint, Sound Recorder, Windows Explorer, Windows Media Center, Calculator ...


I hope you're sarcastic. And the EU needs to shut down McDonalds, because they don't give me a fair choice in what brand of cups I drink from.

andrewbares said,
I hope you're sarcastic. And the EU needs to shut down McDonalds, because they don't give me a fair choice in what brand of cups I drink from.

or what brand of drink you can order, or teh fact you can't bring in outside food, and they don't advertise KFC/Burger King/Subway/Pizza Hut/Local Chip Shop prices either, damn them damn them all to hell!!!!

Not stupid at all? They still get paid from all the preorders everyone made and is making. Just now the EU people get IE as well. It's went right back to where things were before imo.

So now you see a ballot box, uhhh ok? People who wanted to use a new browser from the start knew about it before this and would go get it right away. Those who don't know probably won't change off of IE unless they have very big problems with it, and so far, IE8 has been working good for me.

Yay! Hopefully Microsoft put abit more effort into it than the screenshot that was floating around. :\ I'd love to be able to say "install all 5 browsers, but make Firefox my default". As a web developer, I need all of em, so a program that downloads them all and installs them in the background would be win.

There won't be much more than existing screenshot. As far as I understand the 'ballot' screen will be a web-page shown on the first launch of Internet Explorer 8 (just like currently it asks you to set some preferences on first launch) - I don't think they will even rebuild W7 for that (as this change can be done entirely on MS web servers).

well im glad i pre ordered my version of 7 preimum from amazon for £49.99 now i just hope they send it out and dont decide to cansil the order just to make every one pay the higher price.

xSuRgEx said,
well im glad i pre ordered my version of 7 preimum from amazon for �49.99 now i just hope they send it out and dont decide to cansil the order just to make every one pay the higher price.

50 quid? All I see is home premium E for 70!

Julius Caro said,
50 quid? All I see is home premium E for 70!

The pre-order price of Home Premium E was £49.99 but it was a limited offer.

I got mine for £44.99 like 1000s of other people did.

SnoopZ said,
The pre-order price of Home Premium E was £49.99 but it was a limited offer.

I got mine for £44.99 like 1000s of other people did.


Pre-order at amazon.co.uk was £44.97

Microsoft brought this all on themselves though. The EU didnt force them to remove IE in the first place. And the whole IE thing is so 1998. Today, an OS without an internet browser is not an OS. But the ballot screen would be nice, though.

Its good to see things are heading the right direction. I thought a ballot screen was a nice alternative to no browser, but I believe many people these days are more familiar with options available to them and don't use IE if they don't wish to do so.
Opera may be a nice browser but they need to find out why more people won't use them instead of worrying about what browser comes with Windows. Even with a ballot screen it would barely increase the chances someone would install Opera. Someone might say, I don't like opera music so I'm not installing it lol.

Hah, the opera music is a good point!

Firefox sounds cool. Chrome sounds cool. Opera, well, I guess some chicks would like that music.

andrewbares said,
Hah, the opera music is a good point!

Firefox sounds cool. Chrome sounds cool. Opera, well, I guess some chicks would like that music.

I like Opera I'm not a chick??? I also like thrash metal, funky house, trance and ballads too, I use Firefox and am part of the official beta testers programme for that, I have 2 desktops one Dell one custom built 4 laptops all running 7 Ultimate, can't wait for the full retail version to come out, so it can be utilised properly.

there is no way MS will wait for EU approval, they'll sell the product they see fit at the price they want and then worry about the consequences later.

This is good news for those who have already purchased Windows 7 for the discounted pre-order price. Well done Microsoft!

Glad I got multiple copies of the E version then making my purchase even more cost effective as I can sell 2 of them at markup

According to CNET those who pre-ordered Windows 7 'E' through a recent discount offer will get the full version, as Microsoft had promised.

All hail Opera Software! Let's not forget that we got this deal because of that wonderful company from Norway! Hail!

Yay! Just checking with Amazon that the Pro E version I purchased back in the offer period will be substituted with the full version. Well done Microsoft!!

Wow thats a decision I was not expecting, and means I now have a full version of 7 Home Premium coming to my door in October for just 45 quid :P

J400uk said,
Wow thats a decision I was not expecting, and means I now have a full version of 7 Home Premium coming to my door in October for just 45 quid :P


The BBS (Ballot Box Screen) was jointly proposed by Microsoft and the affected OEMs and System Builders, who very much remember the waste of shelf space that was the N Editions. And, indeed, Opera *is* still whinging, even over the Ballot Box Screen.

Kinda makes me wonder if the character of Vernon Dursley is based on Opera's CEO.

PGHammer said,
The BBS (Ballot Box Screen) was jointly proposed by Microsoft and the affected OEMs and System Builders, who very much remember the waste of shelf space that was the N Editions. And, indeed, Opera *is* still whinging, even over the Ballot Box Screen.

Kinda makes me wonder if the character of Vernon Dursley is based on Opera's CEO.


They are? I hadn't heard anything new, what are they going on about now?

Did you not read the article?

According to CNET those who pre-ordered Windows 7 'E' through a recent discount offer will get the full version, as Microsoft had promised.

Amazingly, they *are* still whining. They're saying that the ballot screen should not show logos for the browsers, as this will encourage people to click on the familiar "e" for Internet Explorer.
Yes, Opera suck, and I really wish they would go away.

FunkTrooper said,
Amazingly, they *are* still whining. They're saying that the ballot screen should not show logos for the browsers, as this will encourage people to click on the familiar "e" for Internet Explorer.
Yes, Opera suck, and I really wish they would go away.


jeebus.. they said that? such cry babies. what will they do next? tell their mothers?

Wow, Opera does suck. Too much whining. I'm never touching any of their products again. Gonna use Skyfire on my WinMo phone. Gonna keep IE on my PC. Goodbye Opera.

Jesus Christ, for the last time, they didn't "whine" about that part. People are so quick to jump to that part and missing the "overall they're happy about the decision" part, in addition to the bit about this logos point being a point of negotiation.

Well that's made my weekend, I already ordered mine so that means then I will be sent Windiws 7 Ultimate (without the "Big E") I thought it was a stupid idea in the first place, all because the EU got their nickers in a twist over Microsoft only providing Internet Explorer. I agree with Microsoft pulling the plug on the "Big E" because they probably thought the same as everybody else thought? What's wrong with customers downloading another browser provider and setting this as their default browser. The EU is good for the UK and I agree with some of their policies but keep your nose out of software?

There I've had my say...

yeah i agree with you but ms just should have said well stuff you we wont release windows 7 in the EU at all then see how ya like that

tunafish said,
This is lame why should they have to promote other browsers

I totally agree with you, specially because no matter how this thing ends it should make precedent for other software developers so they can make their own anti-competition arguments for other applications like graphics editing, dvd authoring, disc burning, text editors etc etc etc....

The main problem with this case is that its too much of a "just" cause for Opera, but is not Microsoft's bundling of IE that is hurting them.

tunafish said,
This is lame why should they have to promote other browsers

Inside IE they 'promote' other search engines for the search bar and I think they inform the user that more search engines can be added. On windows, they removed the 'search' button from the start menu and had to change dunno what in windows search so that google wouldn't complain. And I dont think the EU was behind any of that.

tunafish said,
This is lame why should they have to promote other browsers

I know, why should breaking the law have consequences. I mean I can break the law all day long and nothing will happen to me, so why should Microsoft have to obey the law. Crazy world.

cakesy said,
I know, why should breaking the law have consequences. I mean I can break the law all day long and nothing will happen to me, so why should Microsoft have to obey the law. Crazy world.


I guess Apple doesn't feel the consequences of breaking the law then.

andrewbares said,
I guess Apple doesn't feel the consequences of breaking the law then.

You guys are Apple obsessed. I wouldn't be surprised if you were all secret iphone owners. So what law did Apple break?

so in the end all that lawsuit is basically came down to this? lol so much for get-microsoft-outta-business

idczar said,
so in the end all that lawsuit is basically came down to this? lol so much for get-microsoft-outta-business

This is exactly what they wanted the lawsuit to do. They got exactly what they want. This is not a complicated issue, they wanted to give the user choice, a better browser, and opera is about 100x better than any version of ie. Microsoft should not be allowed to make browsers anymore, they can't do it right, they have messed up so many times, it is a joke. They should just adopt one of the good browsers, everyone is happy.

cakesy said,
This is exactly what they wanted the lawsuit to do. They got exactly what they want. This is not a complicated issue, they wanted to give the user choice, a better browser, and opera is about 100x better than any version of ie. Microsoft should not be allowed to make browsers anymore, they can't do it right, they have messed up so many times, it is a joke. They should just adopt one of the good browsers, everyone is happy.


Opera has insignificant marketshare compared with IE, Firefox, Safari, and Chrome. Clearly most people don't think Opera is better than the alternatives.

Microsoft makes a great browser, IE 8. For many years IE pushed web development forward. It helped correct a lot of the non-standard mess that Netscape introduced into HTML, and it was the first to embrace CSS and have a full implementation of it. How quickly people forget...

Yeah, it stagnated for a very long time given a lack of competition and constant government interference. But those days are over and IE is very aggressively competing with its new competition, resulting in better options for everybody.

Saying "Microsoft should not be allowed to make browsers" is offensive, mindless zealotry. Of course Microsoft is allowed to make browsers. Everybody is. If there's a better offering, then the market will embrace it, as they have done with Firefox and increasingly with others. IE will either catch up / innovate in its own direction, or it will continue to lose marketshare over time naturally.

Well you know, the more calesy posts the more he comes off as a zealot. For someone who raves up and down about fairness and competition then to go on and say MS should not be allowed to make a browser? Hypocrit?

Brandon Live said,
Microsoft makes a great browser, IE 8. For many years IE pushed web development forward. It helped correct a lot of the non-standard mess that Netscape introduced into HTML, and it was the first to embrace CSS and have a full implementation of it. How quickly people forget...

Maybe because of the 5-year gap between Internet Explorer 6 and 7?

Brandon Live said,
Opera has insignificant marketshare compared with IE, Firefox, Safari, and Chrome. Clearly most people don't think Opera is better than the alternatives.

Well, it is not easy to say, since IE comes with Windows. It is not exactly a fair market. THis is the whole point of this controversy, if you, you know, missed it.

Brandon Live said,
Saying "Microsoft should not be allowed to make browsers" is offensive, mindless zealotry.

Yeah, sure, it is a bit over the top, but anyone who has had to develop for ie6 would agree with me. You are right, we do forget that when Netscape around MS was doing great, but ie6 is absolutely horrible, active-x was a very bad idea, and tying the browser into the OS was absolutely ridiculous. Sure, ie8 ain't so bad, but how long until MS start getting ridiculous again?

Huh? They're releasing editions with the ballot screen instead, which is more about what the EU wanted.

The EU never wanted MS to keep Windows free from browsers.

Tech-nerd said,
come on! microsoft, that's it!
**** eu

It's funny that someone sees this as a slap from MS, when it's now that they are actually bending to what the EU requested.

Oh well :P

I know of a lot of companies that wouldn't hesitate to refuse to let people have the goods at the price offered if something like this happened so well done MS for sticking to it.

lee26 said,
I know of a lot of companies that wouldn't hesitate to refuse to let people have the goods at the price offered if something like this happened so well done MS for sticking to it.

Really, so you know a lot of companies that would say no to Billions of dollars in profits?? OK... Are these companies still in business?

Yeah it is pending, but why will EU reject it? They shouldn't reject it, as it will create more complex situation for all of us, as was the case with E edition.

Mazhar said,
Yeah it is pending, but why will EU reject it? They shouldn't reject it, as it will create more complex situation for all of us, as was the case with E edition.


I agree, it would cause more upheaval. But, this IS the EU we're talking about.

This should get passed. I wish they would confirm it though.

Si7777 said,
This is still pending EU approval of the ballot screen approach though, isn't it?

They're hardly likely to reject something they stated as their "preferred option"

Si7777 said,
This is still pending EU approval of the ballot screen approach though, isn't it?

True, but the ballot screen is much closer to what the EU wanted than the E editions themselves.

Jugalator said,
True, but the ballot screen is much closer to what the EU wanted than the E editions themselves.

It's exactly what the EU wanted, not "much closer to".

This will all go pear-shaped.

If the upgrade becomes cheaper than the E full I already hav eon offer, I will cancel one and get 1 upgrade and 1 full.



Very nice! I have no clue how they got themselves out of that sticky situation but I'm glad they did.

Trong said,
Very nice! I have no clue how they got themselves out of that sticky situation but I'm glad they did.

You have no idea, even though in the story it talks about the new version of Windows with the ballot screen? Ok....

What is up with Microsoft, are they just going to keep announcing stuff and canceling it. Do they have any idea what they will be doing next week. This is not how a major company acts, this is how a child acts.

cakesy said,
You have no idea, even though in the story it talks about the new version of Windows with the ballot screen? Ok....

What is up with Microsoft, are they just going to keep announcing stuff and canceling it. Do they have any idea what they will be doing next week. This is not how a major company acts, this is how a child acts.

They just don't know what the EU will want over there.

cakesy said,
What is up with Microsoft, are they just going to keep announcing stuff and canceling it. Do they have any idea what they will be doing next week. This is not how a major company acts, this is how a child acts.

Yes, they're acting like a little kid indeed.
Just you wait, next week they'll come up with something like, "We're replacing 'Windows E' with a new version named 'Windows No E', since that will make it more obvious that no browser is included."

They should've listed to the EU right away and put in a ballot screen, rather than coming up with that "Windows E" which *no one* wanted.

cakesy said,
You have no idea, even though in the story it talks about the new version of Windows with the ballot screen? Ok....

What is up with Microsoft, are they just going to keep announcing stuff and canceling it. Do they have any idea what they will be doing next week. This is not how a major company acts, this is how a child acts.


They should stop selling all software in EU and non of this would even be an issue.

You guys are posting like little kids actually. MS stop selling in the EU, that's a smart idea, guess you don't run a business do you?

And they knew exactly what they were doing with the E version. There was no way MS was going to put win7 on hold till the EC got off it's slow assess and finally decided what they wanted. MS wants to ship win7 not wait until next year for the EC.

The fact the E version got the EC to wakeup and finally ( or not finally because they haven't even Ok'd the ballot box either!) move proves that it wasn't a waste at all.

GP007 said,
You guys are posting like little kids actually. MS stop selling in the EU, that's a smart idea, guess you don't run a business do you?

And they knew exactly what they were doing with the E version. There was no way MS was going to put win7 on hold till the EC got off it's slow assess and finally decided what they wanted. MS wants to ship win7 not wait until next year for the EC.

The fact the E version got the EC to wakeup and finally ( or not finally because they haven't even Ok'd the ballot box either!) move proves that it wasn't a waste at all.

What he said.

Stop selling in the EU? LOL!

scrimpy32 said,

They should stop selling all software in EU and non of this would even be an issue.

and you would see thousand's being layd off , since the US doesnt not give all the income to MS , ps - Even Japan and S.Korea have filled against MS

and dont tell me its gonna be Africa , India ,China and S.America that will be able to give as much as the EU gives to MS ...

Only kids or people who doesnt know how real life bussines works can say that

Lets see the EU embargo to all "American" things and you will see your companies screaming.

Specially when the EU always pays more than it should for any product from the US ( almost 50% more )


ps - quote was refering to the stupid comment about stop selling software , this person clearly doesnt know how the world works

scrimpy32 said,
They should stop selling all software in EU and non of this would even be an issue.

And give up a market with 500 million potential buyers? Sounds like a brilliant plan... You clearly have a lot of tallent for doing business.