Back in 2005, eBay bought Skype from Joltid. The 2.6 billion dollar price tag did not include the "Global Index P2P software" that Skype is based on. Joltid is trying to cancel the license that Skype uses for this technology. If this happens, the Skype service will be shut down permanently.Skype is the largest internet telephony software worldwide - as well as the worlds largest international voice carrier. The 2.6 billion dollar sale did not include Joltid's core piece of P2P code called "Global Index". Global Index is the P2P protocol that Skype uses as it's core communication technology.
In a recent quarterly report, filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, the following was announced:
"Skype licenses peer-to-peer communication technology from Joltid Limited pursuant to a license agreement between the parties. The parties had been discussing a dispute over the license. In March 2009, Skype Technologies S.A. filed a claim in the English High Court of Justice (No. HC09C00756) against Joltid Limited. Following the filing of the claim, Joltid purported to terminate the license agreement between the parties.
In particular, Joltid has alleged that Skype should not possess, use or modify certain software source code and that, by doing so, and by disclosing such code in certain U.S. patent cases pursuant to orders from U.S. courts, Skype has breached the license agreement. Joltid has brought a counterclaim alleging that Skype has repudiated the license agreement, infringed Joltid's copyright and misused confidential information. On the basis of, among other things, the parties' mutual dealings since the execution of the license agreement, Skype asked the English High Court for declaratory relief, including findings that Skype is not in breach of the license agreement, that Joltid's notice of breach and subsequent notice of termination are invalid, and that Joltid has certain indemnity obligations in relation to the U.S. patent proceedings.
Trial is currently scheduled for June 2010. Although Skype is confident of its legal position, as with any litigation, there is the possibility of an adverse result if the matter is not resolved through negotiation. Skype has begun to develop alternative software to that licensed through Joltid. However, such software development may not be successful, may result in loss of functionality or customers even if successful, and will in any event be expensive. If Skype was to lose the right to use the Joltid software as the result of the litigation, and if alternative software was not available, Skype would be severely and adversely affected and the continued operation of Skype's business as currently conducted would likely not be possible. "
As pointed out in the quarterly report, Skype is currently attempting to develop an alternative protocol to replace the Global Index but the fast approaching court battle in June 2010, it does not seem like Skype will have enough time and the service may be shut down entirely.
The shutdown of Skype would affect at least 480 million users, more than that of Facebook.
Thanks to Neowin user dvb2000 for the news tip!
















Wow, that won't be nice. Skype is a cool proggie and I'd hate to see it go.
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Sorry, I saw the news a few days ago, but didn't notice it on the forum. Updated.
Exactly! I STILL cannot understand the mentality of people demanding credit for second-hand news that they had nothing to do with and is freely available online for anyone who notices it.
Sad mofos...
I agree, eBay obviously when they bought it, they thought that they will make a lot of money with Skype, well that's bad management and now they will lose everything that they invested.
I wonder if this has anything to do with eBay looking to sell Skype but rejected Joltid's offer to get it back...
Could be looking to settle...
Yeah, it does seem stupid. Nonetheless, I hope this can be resolved soon, without the court battle.
Could be looking to settle...
Will they put Skype up on eBay for sell? heh
"Yes Nan we have had it for years...
I guess he's talking about MSN/WLM, but it doesn't have conference-call ability, when you're talking with more than one person simultaneously.
Less proprietary formats clogging peoples mind. We only need one and it is SIP.
You should try this program called oovoo.. its brilliant!
ahahahhahhaha!
Google does not need it, they already have a lot of apps that have the same functionality.
as long as they offer me what i need for acceptable price and with good quality i'm not going to complain
be my guest if You can beat Google
Thats the first time i've ever heard someone hate on ebay..
What a joke...and an utter non story.
You posted that comment the first of August. June comes before August with July in between, a whole sixty one days or 16.71232876712329% of the year (assuming a non-leap year). Methinks you need to check the calendar.
Uhh, today is August 1, so June 2010 would be 10 months away, not "over a year".
What a joke...and an utter non story.
says MR. know it all
What a joke...and an utter non story.
Excalpius, I imagine you'll need surgery with a foot that deeply inserted into your mouth.
if WoW shut down youd see the largest mass suicide in history
I laughed. But then I realized that what you said is completely true.
+1
And, clearly, it is not even close.
I am hereby sueing you for calling me warm 'n fuzzy.
I'm suing you for not knowing how to spell "suing."
I believe to "integrate" it with the whole eBay 'experience' which they never actually tried to pull off. Skype just promoted itself.
The functionality was integrated into eBay...hardly anyone uses it though.
Therefore wasn't a part of the experience.
Hopefully things work out and Skype sticks around!
I forget to tell you something add right now.
I do like skype, because of webcam for sign language. I still complain to Yahoo! Company about Yahoo messenger's programmer is very bad, because of webcam, also it always crash often more on all WIndows XP, Vista and 7 RC1.
So I switched to skype for webcam which is better than yahoo messenger. MSN, Camfrog, Oovoo, and skype with webcams are better than Yahoo messenger.
I still use yahoo messenger for chatting.
Thanks,
Gameboy
I will give you an example: One game supposed to be good right on computer, right? But a few hours later... one game keep crashing on the computer. It is not Windows' fault. It is one game's programer is very bad.
I do remember I played Disney's Cars on my old computer. It always keep crashing on my computer. I already passed it on the game at end of the game. I removed it and never play it again.
I will give you an example: One game supposed to be good right on computer, right? But a few hours later... one game keep crashing on the computer. It is not Windows' fault. It is one game's programer is very bad.
I do remember I played Disney's Cars on my old computer. It always keep crashing on my computer. I already passed it on the game at end of the game. I removed it and never play it again.
what?
Hes saying he likes skype because he can use sign language via video chat feature. And that skype is more reliable then the competitors since the competitors always crash for him, thus he is unable to fully communicate with who he wants to.
Oh... well, I'm glad someone here types in English.
English is obviously not the posters first language, maybe if you practice being less of a jack ass and re-read it a few times it'll make some sense to you.
That goes for both jase and TechGuyPA
That goes for both jase and TechGuyPA
+1
Fine, why don't you ask him what his mother tongue is, and learn HIS language then communicate with him in it. Don't be a dick.
Just because millions of people use it does NOT mean it's "impossible" to shut down. What makes you think this? Or rather, what the hell are you smoking, because I want some.
There would definitely be lawsuits if it were shut down... and the entire world would be ****ed off.
Google "free voip"; there are dozens of companies looking to jump in on Skype's business.
I guess it's time to check out alternatives to Skype and get familiar with them, just in case.
If you think about it, it could be a very clever move.
eBay buys Skype from Joltid, neglects P2P core
eBay then decides to sell Skype again, rejecting Joltid's offer to get it back
eBay decides to float it as a separate company
Joltid threatens to shut down the entire market by revoking the licence
It's possible that Joltid could force eBay's hand and sell Skype back to them...
My theory anyways.
If anything eBay is the idiots for parting that much money for a product that never really seemed to make much sense to their business and in doing so not actually buying the full product.
Me too, no matter what there are alternate programs, and some of them are already better than Skype but nobody is noticing them, once Skype shutdown (if it will) everybody will just switch and use those programs.Who cares about Skype !
What programs?
Ventrilo, Teamspeak, Mumble, Loudtalks, and I could list more that do similar things.
Losing Skype would not be the end of the world. Though it's very high quality.
Losing Skype would not be the end of the world. Though it's very high quality.
Oh I REALLY hope you are kidding. Those alternatives are all garbage. Something being high quality is not the only thing that is considered. There are alternatives to virtually every product on Earth so that statement is invalid. The thing to consider is that Skype has now been well integrated into the personal and business world. Some people / corporations depend on Skype for their daily activities and count on it to be available the next day to conduct business or talk yo their 90 year old grandma overseas. You can't just brush it off and say there are alternatives. It took a lot for the technology to become common ground and to be well supported in the industry. You can't just suddenly remove it from existence and expect people to look the other way.
They are stuck they will renew agreements or sell off they can't develop something in less than 10 months and have it as reliable and user friendly as Skype is UNLESS they already have???? But Skype as huge as it is with it's paid for user base and advertising subscriptions will have a new source code thrown at them from any number of other VOIP applications, that could easily be integrated.
Anyone seen the P2P source code taht is utilised???
I'm sure that a lot of the functionality is covered by software patents, so they'll have to pay licensing fees for the IP used in "Global Index P2P Software"
And if they don't want to do that, they can always innovate and develop their own methods! And what's wrong with that? Isn't this how things are supposed to work? Business as usual!
The following stories will probably read "Skype looking towards new software innovations for a better market position!"
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They already offer SIP access to business users, probably not too hard to offer it to everyone!
Do they ever acknowledge people with multiple accounts in those stats? Or is that supposed to be Unique Users?
That said, there's always the chance a newer protocol fails to get developed, or to a lesser extent whatever they do come up with simply sucking to much to really be competitive with whats already being offered by other communication tools "/
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