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Obama Administration funds effort to build better batteries

anthony   on 06 August 2009 - 04:43, updated 06 August 2009 - 19:06 · 34 comments & 2898 views

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Wednesday, President Barack Obama outlined a plan for the United States government to fund 48 different battery related projects. The government is mostly looking for more energy efficient batteries for electric and hybrid vehicles. The total project includes an estimated $2.4 billion dollars in allocated stimulus grants to help create business and jobs in the midwest.

President Obama exclaimed that he wanted "the cars of the future and the technology to power them" built in the United States. Plus, businesses need to invest a dollar for almost every dollar received in grants, equaling out to a little under 5 billion dollars in total battery tech investments.

While the grants deal mostly with the batteries and electric-drive systems in hybrid and electric cars, battery technology in consumer devices is sure to follow. All consumer electronic devices, smart phones especially, are in desperate need of superior batteries that can last several days, instead of just hours. Buyers can expect that any important forward progress in vehicular batteries will trickle down into the devices we use every day. A significant upgrade to battery technology is just what most consumers want.

To see the exact stimulus battery grants and how they break down individually, check out this PDF at EENews.net which gives specifics on which companies are receiving funds and what they will be developing. Most consumer devices use Lithium-Ion or Lithium-Polymer though a fair amount of research is being spent on Nickel-Cobalt as well.

For more information on the entire program check out The Washington Post or the United States Economic Stimulus page online.

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(10 replies) #1 JonathanMarston on 06 Aug 2009 - 19:30
Although I think investing in battery technology is a smart move, I can't help but wonder how the Obama administration is still funding anything. Is he just going to keep printing more money?
#1.1 Lechio on 06 Aug 2009 - 19:37
That's the correct way to fightback on a crisis.
Power is one of the areas where governments should be investing hard and financing innovative projects. Investment is very needed in that area now. Fossil fuel will not last forever, electric is the way to go.
#1.2 Spartan Erik on 07 Aug 2009 - 01:16
Lechio, that's assuming our nation's power grid doesn't fall apart the moment we start plugging in our cars..
#1.3 andrewbares on 07 Aug 2009 - 02:00
Spartan Erik said,
Lechio, that's assuming our nation's power grid doesn't fall apart the moment we start plugging in our cars..


And we must realize that Electric cars pollute more than gasolene cars.

Our current power plants will be polluting more than when compared to using gasolene, so I guess that's useless, then.
#1.4 simon360 on 07 Aug 2009 - 04:02
Current power plants, not the ones of the future. Those power plants will probably be replaced by the time electric cars catch on, anyway (I hope, anyway).
#1.5 ermax on 07 Aug 2009 - 04:15
Lechio said,
electric is the way to go.


I just planted an electric tree and a money tree in the back yard. Uh?
#1.6 JonathanMarston on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:26
Lechio said,
That's the correct way to fightback on a crisis.
Power is one of the areas where governments should be investing hard and financing innovative projects. Investment is very needed in that area now. Fossil fuel will not last forever, electric is the way to go.

Like I said, I agree that investing in battery tech is a good move, but with all the other spending our leaders have already done and have committed to, there is no more money to invest! They've resorted to printing it, which will only hurt us in the long run as eventually it will catch up to us in inflation.
#1.7 M_Lyons10 on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:47
simon360 said,
Current power plants, not the ones of the future. Those power plants will probably be replaced by the time electric cars catch on, anyway (I hope, anyway).


Well, given how slowly advancement is adopted with stuff like that, I expect to continue using our current power plants until they fall down...
#1.8 M_Lyons10 on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:48
JonathanMarston said,
Lechio said,
That's the correct way to fightback on a crisis.
Power is one of the areas where governments should be investing hard and financing innovative projects. Investment is very needed in that area now. Fossil fuel will not last forever, electric is the way to go.

Like I said, I agree that investing in battery tech is a good move, but with all the other spending our leaders have already done and have committed to, there is no more money to invest! They've resorted to printing it, which will only hurt us in the long run as eventually it will catch up to us in inflation.


Yeah, our future is very scary...
#1.9 vaximily on 07 Aug 2009 - 16:49
Wow... lot's of mis-information here. From my understanding...

1. This money was already allocated through the various Economic Stimulus Packages, it's just being distributed now.
2. Power plants do not pollute more than vehicles, they are MUCH more efficient... while Batteries are pretty toxic, at least they can be disposed of in the ground in the middle of no-where so they don't do much damage. In the short-term, power plants will create more pollutants due to higher demand, but in the long term more of those plants will be Hydro-Electric and Geo-Thermal, which do not pollute.

Just my two cents... although I'm no expert.
#1.10 +Kirkburn on 08 Aug 2009 - 21:51
JonathanMarston said,
They've resorted to printing it, which will only hurt us in the long run as eventually it will catch up to us in inflation.

I have to ask ... where do you think money normally comes from?
(3 replies) #2 jpcahn on 06 Aug 2009 - 19:38
I want to know how we are going to charge all the cars when the grid is already stressed beyond belief. California is a state that is in very bad shape and needs more power plants. Nuclear Power produces no emissions and yet Obama isn't doing anything to support the construction of more plants. With modern technology the odds of have a disaster are pretty much zero. France gets 70% of their power from Nuclear.
#2.1 andrewbares on 07 Aug 2009 - 02:01
Yep, we need more nuclear first. Then I'll start to consider electric cars.
#2.2 Majesticmerc on 07 Aug 2009 - 12:03
jpcahn said,
Nuclear Power produces no emissions


No, but it produces a much more polluting substance. Nuclear plants don't last very long, and they're also expensive to build in comparison to traditional plants.
#2.3 vaximily on 07 Aug 2009 - 16:50
Majesticmerc said,
No, but it produces a much more polluting substance. Nuclear plants don't last very long, and they're also expensive to build in comparison to traditional plants.


Yes, because expense is our biggest concern right now...

I think Geo-Thermal and Hydro-Electric are better choices than Nuclear, but if Nuclear is what it takes to decommission these coal & oil plants, I'm all for it.
(2 replies) #3 HalcyonX12 on 06 Aug 2009 - 23:15
...because our government really needs to be helping out with business decisions and R&D! That's what governments are foarrr!!!
#3.1 +Kirkburn on 07 Aug 2009 - 01:00
HalcyonX12 said,
...because our government really needs to be helping out with business decisions and R&D! That's what governments are foarrr!!!

Yes, in many countries, it is exactly one of the jobs of the government. You realise the military spend masses on R&D?
#3.2 Joshie on 07 Aug 2009 - 03:58
I actually read this as being partly motivated by military needs. Long-life power supplies? Sounds like something that could have a pretty major impact on a field communications and the like.
(4 replies) #4 DATmafia on 07 Aug 2009 - 03:37
Anything Obama says or does is all about how he just loves attention. He can save the world, all he has to do is waste a few trillion more dollars on programs that don't do as promised. Like how he promised to bring troops home from Iraq and instead just sends them over to Afghanistan or how the many stimulus packages were supposed to grow jobs and as of yet there is no proof that New jobs were created out of those funds and so on. I can't wait for his 4 years to be over. He's already ruined the country beyond belief and made Americans look like spineless, people-pleasing A**holes. But he has fooled all the lemmings of the US who can't think or act for themselves-they want Obama to do everything for them including giving them gov't toilet paper and wiping their asses for them since they're unable and incapable of doing a damn thing for themselves...like think.
#4.1 simon360 on 07 Aug 2009 - 04:03
...you think it's bad that your people are starting to be seen as "people pleasing"?
#4.2 ermax on 07 Aug 2009 - 04:20
Don't forget the clunker program that ran out of funding already. But that's not a big deal I guess. They just need to crank that printing press back up. Oh wait.. it's already running.
#4.3 Skyfrog on 07 Aug 2009 - 13:18
DATmafia said,
whaargarble


Got much pent up rage there? Might want to head over to the freepers forum, I see a lot of crazy like minded rants over there.
#4.4 jase chaos on 07 Aug 2009 - 13:42
DATmafia said,
Anything Obama says or does is all about how he just loves attention. He can save the world, all he has to do is waste a few trillion more dollars on programs that don't do as promised. Like how he promised to bring troops home from Iraq and instead just sends them over to Afghanistan or how the many stimulus packages were supposed to grow jobs and as of yet there is no proof that New jobs were created out of those funds and so on. I can't wait for his 4 years to be over. He's already ruined the country beyond belief and made Americans look like spineless, people-pleasing A**holes. But he has fooled all the lemmings of the US who can't think or act for themselves-they want Obama to do everything for them including giving them gov't toilet paper and wiping their asses for them since they're unable and incapable of doing a damn thing for themselves...like think.


you fail.
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(1 reply) #5 +warwagon on 07 Aug 2009 - 04:29
In a few years the American dollar will be worthless from all the money our president is printing.
#5.1 M_Lyons10 on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:49
warwagon said,
In a few years the American dollar will be worthless from all the money our president is printing.


Yep, and we'll be a province of China since we're borrowing much of this money from them... LOL

Rachel Ray should start prepping "30 cent meals"... LMAO
(1 reply) #6 t_r_nelson on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:29
This is just a 'dog and pony show.' 'Look what I'm doing to make things better.' The only way to make battery technology better for the U.S. is to actually build them here. But that never happens.

Instead, the Chinese or some other nation figures out how to do it cheaper and we end up buying from them. So investing in a technology that requires manufacturing doesn't really do any good. It's a short-term fix.

The U.S. needs to figure out how to manufacture products in the U.S. so it can be competitive.
#6.1 +Kirkburn on 08 Aug 2009 - 21:52
t_r_nelson said,
This is just a 'dog and pony show.' 'Look what I'm doing to make things better.' The only way to make battery technology better for the U.S. is to actually build them here. But that never happens.

Instead, the Chinese or some other nation figures out how to do it cheaper and we end up buying from them. So investing in a technology that requires manufacturing doesn't really do any good. It's a short-term fix.

The U.S. needs to figure out how to manufacture products in the U.S. so it can be competitive.

Right. And that's not the exact subject of this article, how?
(3 replies) #7 s3n4te on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:38
What's with the Obama hate?

I think you guys would still find something bad to say about Obama even if he gets us out of recession and reduces the national debt.
#7.1 M_Lyons10 on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:51
s3n4te said,
What's with the Obama hate?

I think you guys would still find something bad to say about Obama even if he gets us out of recession and reduces the national debt.


I have no problem whatsoever saying things that I agree with that he's done. Unfortunately that doesn't amount to much. He has generated a tremendous amount of debt with no means to generate growth. It's rather basic economics, and he doesn't get it.
#7.2 +Kirkburn on 07 Aug 2009 - 12:57
M_Lyons10 said,
s3n4te said,
What's with the Obama hate?

I think you guys would still find something bad to say about Obama even if he gets us out of recession and reduces the national debt.


I have no problem whatsoever saying things that I agree with that he's done. Unfortunately that doesn't amount to much. He has generated a tremendous amount of debt with no means to generate growth. It's rather basic economics, and he doesn't get it.

And it's been, what, 6 months? Christ almighty...
#7.3 RAID 0 on 08 Aug 2009 - 23:46
Kirkburn said,
And it's been, what, 6 months? Christ almighty...


I have a feeling that line will be used until 2012.
"He's only been in office 3 1/2 years! He needs more time!"
#8 oooarrr33 on 07 Aug 2009 - 05:52
Looking through the PDF there's actually a suprising amount of investment in relation to products which are already coming to market - cars like the GM Volt and future offerings from Ford (though admittedly they've not brought an EV to market... yet). In addition there's a good amount of funding on education, which is sorely needed as many people don't understand the use of EVs in and out (charging, manufacturing overheads etc). It looks like the program is investing the money in both the education and industry needed to ensure that battery production is a bigge.

As for how to stop other countries (e.g. China) producing stuff, it's a difficult one, but if anyone can figure out a better combination than education and investment in business, let me know!
(1 reply) #9 EJocys on 07 Aug 2009 - 13:08
With that money they can create International Replaceable car Battery Standard (all car batteries will have unique code, expiration date written inside and wheels for rails so they can be extracted from car very fast, etc.). This would allow to replace your discharged batteries to fully charged ones in any part of the world. Fuel/electric stations will have time to charge left batteries with wind power if they want to. For a price of one Tomahawk missile you can equip 5 fuel stations with ability to replace or do fast-charge for electric cars. For one small city it would be enough because people would be charging their cars at home or work anyway.
#9.1 vaximily on 07 Aug 2009 - 16:58
Sounds like a logical option to me!

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