Snow Leopard shipped with flash vulnerability

(13 replies) #1 Ryanlm on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:13

As much as I think this is funny, who really can keep up with the Adobe updates which they apparently released hourly. By the time it took them to burn the first DVD of the new os, there could have been 2 or 3 new updates. Just the other day I had a 2 AIR updates, and one flash update within a couple hour span. Every time AIR opens it wants to update, so, I removed it until its out of beta.

Please, Silverlight, catch on...

#1.1 Julius Caro on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:32

+1 to the Silverlight comment. Please microsoft, use your monopoly to do something good, you owe us !!!

#1.2 M_Lyons10 on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:44

Julius Caro said,

+1 to the Silverlight comment. Please microsoft, use your monopoly to do something good, you owe us !!!

LOL In all honesty though it really doesn't take much to eclipse Flash... It's such or horrible product. Silverlight is ten times what Flash is already and constantly improving. I can't wait to see what Microsoft does with Silverlight in the future.

#1.3 Xenomorph on 03 Sep 2009 - 22:11

Ryanlm said,

Please, Silverlight, catch on...

I see people praise Silverlight all the time... But will it ever catch on, really?

How many sites use Silverlight? 5? 8? 17?
How many sites use Flash? 5 Million? 8 Million?

#1.4 cakesy on 04 Sep 2009 - 00:31

Ryanlm said,

As much as I think this is funny, who really can keep up with the Adobe updates which they apparently released hourly. By the time it took them to burn the first DVD of the new os, there could have been 2 or 3 new updates. Just the other day I had a 2 AIR updates, and one flash update within a couple hour span. Every time AIR opens it wants to update, so, I removed it until its out of beta.

Please, Silverlight, catch on...

There are just as many vulnerabilities in silverlight, probably more, since Microsoft isn't known for security. It is just that nobody uses it, so what is the point of developing hacks for it?

#1.5 Andrew Lyle on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:09

cakesy said,

There are just as many vulnerabilities in silverlight, probably more, since Microsoft isn't known for security. It is just that nobody uses it, so what is the point of developing hacks for it?

Umm, do you mean known for security? One of top companies that finds and blocks vulnerabilities themselves. Sure there are some security holes, but those are quickly patched

#1.6 sphbecker on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:18

cakesy said,

There are just as many vulnerabilities in silverlight, probably more, since Microsoft isn't known for security. It is just that nobody uses it, so what is the point of developing hacks for it?

Thanks for your unbased assumption. Considering that Silverlight is 100% managed code it is unlikely to have the typical vulnerabilities that C++ and the such programs do.

#1.7 Tim Dawg on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:59

cakesy said,

There are just as many vulnerabilities in silverlight, probably more, since Microsoft isn't known for security. It is just that nobody uses it, so what is the point of developing hacks for it?

Ok Mac fanboy

#1.8 pc_tool on 04 Sep 2009 - 13:48

Why in the world would you want to use the proprietary, patent encumbered, Microsoft Silverlight and further lock yourself into super expensive Microsoft software?

#1.9 Jebadiah on 04 Sep 2009 - 16:10

cakesy said,

Ryanlm said,

As much as I think this is funny, who really can keep up with the Adobe updates which they apparently released hourly. By the time it took them to burn the first DVD of the new os, there could have been 2 or 3 new updates. Just the other day I had a 2 AIR updates, and one flash update within a couple hour span. Every time AIR opens it wants to update, so, I removed it until its out of beta.

Please, Silverlight, catch on...

There are just as many vulnerabilities in silverlight, probably more, since Microsoft isn't known for security. It is just that nobody uses it, so what is the point of developing hacks for it?

Now apply that same logic to MacOS.

#1.10 Solid Knight on 04 Sep 2009 - 18:45

pc_tool said,

Why in the world would you want to use the proprietary, patent encumbered, Microsoft Silverlight and further lock yourself into super expensive Microsoft software?

Expensive?

#1.11 SharpGreen on 04 Sep 2009 - 23:48

pc_tool said,

Why in the world would you want to use the proprietary, patent encumbered, Microsoft Silverlight and further lock yourself into super expensive Microsoft software?

Visual Basic or Visual C# Express is expensive?...Last I checked it was free.

#1.12 LiquidSolstice on 05 Sep 2009 - 20:35

Xenomorph said,

I see people praise Silverlight all the time... But will it ever catch on, really?

How many sites use Silverlight? 5? 8? 17?
How many sites use Flash? 5 Million? 8 Million?

Errr. Netflix streaning on PCs is done via Silverlight.

#1.13 satukoro on 06 Sep 2009 - 00:30

Jebadiah said,

Now apply that same logic to MacOS.

+1, That's what no one sees.

(2 replies) #2 ahhell on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:22

It's pretty stupid that the install downgrades an existing version.

#2.1 Andrew Lyle on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:37

Appears to be an oversight on Apple's part. I guess future versions of Mac OS X will check to make sure to check if the version number is greater or less than what is installed and decide to upgrade or skip.

#2.2 Minooch on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:27

Andrew Lyle said,

Appears to be an oversight on Apple's part. I guess future versions of Mac OS X will check to make sure to check if the version number is greater or less than what is installed and decide to upgrade or skip.

I think you mean *FEATURE* - Apple prefer that word

(1 reply) #3 Julius Caro on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:30

It's really hard not to troll on this one. But I'm gonna refrain

#3.1 C_Guy on 03 Sep 2009 - 22:06

Uhhh nooo you didn't. That's your name on the monopoly comment above, isn't it?

Better luck next time.

(15 replies) #4 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00

#4.1 virtorio on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:32

JesusHChrist said,

Another bug in Snow Vista--err--Leopard?

Oh darn!!

I'm no fan of Apple, but really, what the hell was the point of that?

#4.2 JesusHChrist on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:37

virtorio said,

I'm no fan of Apple, but really, what the hell was the point of that?

You figure it out. Or get someone to esplain it to you. Your choice, Vito.

#4.3 Escalade_GT on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:12

JesusHChrist said,

You figure it out. Or get someone to esplain it to you. Your choice, Vito.

You Apple haters should just stay out with your useless comments.

No need to "esplain" because it was an immature and uneducated remark...

#4.4 virtorio on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:34

JesusHChrist said,

You figure it out. Or get someone to esplain it to you. Your choice, Vito.

Nothing of worth here to figure out.

#4.5 RAID 0 on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:39

Exactly. Just SOP for flame bait.

#4.6 +warwagon on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:53

JesusHChrist said,

Another bug in Snow Vista--err--Leopard?

Oh darn!!

Shouldn't it be Snow 7

#4.7 nvme on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:53

i thought it was funny. it's also funny how much you all care about stupid ****. and before someone gives me **** over it.. im posting this from my mac.

#4.8 C_Guy on 03 Sep 2009 - 22:05

The whole "Apple start your Xerox's" comments were beat to death a long time ago. Try to keep up. If you insist on trolling, don't embarrass yourself with such dated material.

#4.9 Daniel Wired on 03 Sep 2009 - 22:42

C_Guy said,

The whole "Apple start your Xerox's" comments were beat to death a long time ago. Try to keep up. If you insist on trolling, don't embarrass yourself with such dated material.

Coming from C_Guy? The RIAA humping, MS Loving, Google Hating Troll?

Wow, Pot & Kettle there...

#4.10 cakesy on 04 Sep 2009 - 00:33

C_Guy said,

The whole "Apple start your Xerox's" comments were beat to death a long time ago. Try to keep up. If you insist on trolling, don't embarrass yourself with such dated material.

Wasn't it Microsoft, and didn't apple actually have posters like that at one of the releases of Mac OS X?

Windows 7 and Vista are some of the first releases were Microsoft have bought out there own improvements, and we all know how well Vista went down. We still have to wait to see how 7 goes. It will probably be popular because people have to buy something, and Linux isn't quite ready for the majority yet.

#4.11 sphbecker on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:28

cakesy said,

Wasn't it Microsoft, and didn't apple actually have posters like that at one of the releases of Mac OS X?

Windows 7 and Vista are some of the first releases were Microsoft have bought out there own improvements, and we all know how well Vista went down. We still have to wait to see how 7 goes. It will probably be popular because people have to buy something, and Linux isn't quite ready for the majority yet.

Umm, how about NO!! Dude, Apple's OS couldn't even do preemptive multitasking until OS X. Microsoft had that with windows 3.1. Or how about DRM (not that users like it) Apple loves it, Microsoft invented it. I could name stuff all day long that MS had first. It goes the other way too, but if you think Windows is nothing but a big copy of Apple's work then you are living in a dream world, either that or you think that MS is able to copy Apply's ideas from years in the furture.

#4.12 Tim Dawg on 04 Sep 2009 - 02:15

sphbecker said,

Umm, how about NO!! Dude, Apple's OS couldn't even do preemptive multitasking until OS X. Microsoft had that with windows 3.1. Or how about DRM (not that users like it) Apple loves it, Microsoft invented it. I could name stuff all day long that MS had first. It goes the other way too, but if you think Windows is nothing but a big copy of Apple's work then you are living in a dream world, either that or you think that MS is able to copy Apply's ideas from years in the furture.

+1

#4.13 JDonner on 04 Sep 2009 - 04:10

Tim Dawg said,

+1

#4.14 cakesy on 04 Sep 2009 - 05:17

sphbecker said,

cakesy said,

Wasn't it Microsoft, and didn't apple actually have posters like that at one of the releases of Mac OS X?

Windows 7 and Vista are some of the first releases were Microsoft have bought out there own improvements, and we all know how well Vista went down. We still have to wait to see how 7 goes. It will probably be popular because people have to buy something, and Linux isn't quite ready for the majority yet.

Umm, how about NO!! Dude, Apple's OS couldn't even do preemptive multitasking until OS X. Microsoft had that with windows 3.1. Or how about DRM (not that users like it) Apple loves it, Microsoft invented it. I could name stuff all day long that MS had first. It goes the other way too, but if you think Windows is nothing but a big copy of Apple's work then you are living in a dream world, either that or you think that MS is able to copy Apply's ideas from years in the furture.

Windows 3.1 DID NOT HAVE pre-emptive mutlitasking, 95/NT did. But you make a good point. Still Amiga had it long before Windows was born. I guess they both copied from Commodore.

I was more referring to the design of the OS, Microsoft have for a long time copied loads of design elements of Apple OS.

#4.15 Escalade_GT on 04 Sep 2009 - 13:36

cakesy said,

sphbecker said,

cakesy said,

Wasn't it Microsoft, and didn't apple actually have posters like that at one of the releases of Mac OS X?

Windows 7 and Vista are some of the first releases were Microsoft have bought out there own improvements, and we all know how well Vista went down. We still have to wait to see how 7 goes. It will probably be popular because people have to buy something, and Linux isn't quite ready for the majority yet.

Umm, how about NO!! Dude, Apple's OS couldn't even do preemptive multitasking until OS X. Microsoft had that with windows 3.1. Or how about DRM (not that users like it) Apple loves it, Microsoft invented it. I could name stuff all day long that MS had first. It goes the other way too, but if you think Windows is nothing but a big copy of Apple's work then you are living in a dream world, either that or you think that MS is able to copy Apply's ideas from years in the furture.

Windows 3.1 DID NOT HAVE pre-emptive mutlitasking, 95/NT did. But you make a good point. Still Amiga had it long before Windows was born. I guess they both copied from Commodore.

I was more referring to the design of the OS, Microsoft have for a long time copied loads of design elements of Apple OS.

Geez, why do you people make such a huge fuss over who copies who??? If companies didn't copy/base ideas off each others, we wouldn't have any sort of advanced technology that we have today. If things went this way, every single company would be a "monopoly". Saying Apple copied Microsoft and likewise is the weakest and most uneducated argument you could possibly make. Think about it...

(4 replies) #5 JoshW02 on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:39

Supid Apple this is why windows is a better os

#5.1 PsykX on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:34

Exactly. Because they're using an older minor version of Adobe Flash.

#5.2 Tim Dawg on 04 Sep 2009 - 02:16

PsykX said,

Exactly. Because they're using an older minor version of Adobe Flash.

Exactly!

#5.3 KavazovAngel on 04 Sep 2009 - 02:24

#5.4 powerade01 on 04 Sep 2009 - 19:07

PsykX said,

Exactly. Because they're using an older minor version of Adobe Flash.

I think he ment because on a old version, a 3rd party patches thing up and on their new version, it breaks this 3rd party patch.

I mean it is pretty big for a company like Apple.

(4 replies) #6 M_Lyons10 on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:46

Wow, that's really unfortunate. The upgrade thing is probably the worst. People that are upgrading aren't going to think to check the Adobe site now to see if they still have the current version... Why wouldn't the installer just download the current version during the upgrade process? Microsoft has installers do this for the upgrade to IE7 and 8 as well as a number of other tools and products. It's foolish not to, particularly when you don't have control over the updates being released for a particular product.

#6.1 cakesy on 04 Sep 2009 - 00:35

It does this, before it even installs the OS it check for updates. This is no worse that the W7 chkdsk bug, or maybe a little worse. it will get fixed straight away. Still, a silly mistake for Apple to make.

#6.2 sphbecker on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:36

I just see this as an example of why it isn't a good idea to include 3rd party unsupported stuff with an OS. Anything part of the main OS installation should be updated by Apple's own update utility. If that was the case this would be a non-issue, first time update runs it is fixed. It might be a little annoying when you install Windows having to go out and also install Flash, Acrobat, Java and so on, but hey, those are not Microsoft products and MS isn't going to risk the quality of their own product by including 3rd party stuff.

#6.3 Ci7 on 04 Sep 2009 - 04:29

chkdsk ,it is by design

#6.4 powerade01 on 04 Sep 2009 - 19:09

cakesy said,

This is no worse that the W7 chkdsk bug

There is a big difference.

The chkdsk "bug" is the fault of a 3rd party driver.
This is apple's fault for downgrading a version of a 3rd party software

#7 ishtar on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:48

Ha Ha Ha Ha Heee Heeee heeee

(3 replies) #8 JoshW02 on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:50

Crazy or better yet dont give apple users flash preinstalled make them download it like windows users it stops this kind of thing (leaving people open to security flaws)

#8.1 PsychoDoughBoy on 03 Sep 2009 - 23:21

JoshW02 said,

Crazy or better yet dont give apple users flash preinstalled make them download it like windows users it stops this kind of thing (leaving people open to security flaws)

The is clearly the most sensible post on this news article. I can't think of another mainstream OS that ships with Flash pre-installed.

#8.2 sphbecker on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:38

A+ Yes! Anything that Apple installs as part of their OS becomes their issue to support. If Apple's own update software cannot update Flash then it shoudn't have been included with the OS. It is as simple as that.

#8.3 d4diesel on 04 Sep 2009 - 05:49

i think apple wants to go for the out of the box experience for their users. Who wants to buy a computer and spend another hour or two installing basic stuff like flash plugins, browsers etc.
But when apple chooses to include these additional software/plugins, they better be ready to support/update them as well to avoid the above scenario.

(5 replies) #9 ishtar on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:50

Ohh but that can't happen with a mac I just saw the new commercial .Duh

#9.1 Andrew Lyle on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:26

Heh, that is true. The commercials do depict the fact Mac's don't get viruses and are safe

#9.2 cakesy on 04 Sep 2009 - 00:35

Andrew Lyle said,

Heh, that is true. The commercials do depict the fact Mac's don't get viruses and are safe

This isn't a virus, Macs are still safe. It is not like windows, where any vulnerability gives you root access to do whatever you want.

Still, egg on Apple faces.

#9.3 KavazovAngel on 04 Sep 2009 - 02:26

cakesy said,

This isn't a virus, Macs are still safe. It is not like windows, where any vulnerability gives you root access to do whatever you want.

Still, egg on Apple faces.

Which is not the case with Vista and 7.

#9.4 Andrew Lyle on 04 Sep 2009 - 04:23

cakesy said,

This isn't a virus, Macs are still safe. It is not like windows, where any vulnerability gives you root access to do whatever you want.

Still, egg on Apple faces.

I didn't say it was a virus. I said the commercials say Windows gets viruses and aren't safe.. now it is mac that has the large vulnerability

#9.5 cakesy on 04 Sep 2009 - 05:18

Andrew Lyle said,

cakesy said,

This isn't a virus, Macs are still safe. It is not like windows, where any vulnerability gives you root access to do whatever you want.

Still, egg on Apple faces.

I didn't say it was a virus. I said the commercials say Windows gets viruses and aren't safe.. now it is mac that has the large vulnerability

The commercials don't say that Mac is completely invulnerable, do they. They don't say that OS X is from the computer and can never be attacked, do they? The ads say that Windows has loads of viruses, that anyone can get at anytime. This is TRUE.

(2 replies) #10 ishtar on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:54

Honestly I can't see what the hell all the hullaboo is about ' the friggen ui looks like os8 with a few tweaks it's horrible the mac pro "quote" was ok but nothing pro bout it it was a nice pretty pos .. that I was afraid of denting the pretty aluminum case so I traded it for an hp entertainment laptop which is really fast ..and can do everything i need it to do

#10.1 neufuse on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:02

ishtar said,

Honestly I can't see what the hell all the hullaboo is about ' the friggen ui looks like os8 with a few tweaks it's horrible the mac pro "quote" was ok but nothing pro bout it it was a nice pretty pos .. that I was afraid of denting the pretty aluminum case so I traded it for an hp entertainment laptop which is really fast ..and can do everything i need it to do

I think it looks more like OS9 since it was a little more graphical but that's besides the point... the OS UI looks changed very little and I agree people make too much out of it... it's the same UI from the Mac Lisa days just refined more and more.....

#10.2 Bryanhoop on 04 Sep 2009 - 01:06

http://lowendmac.com/ed/fox/09ff/copycat-microsoft.html

The world is full of nice, fun, logical people.

#11 JoshW02 on 03 Sep 2009 - 20:56

Apple are all "flashy" (pardon the bad joke) and no substance hench why I wont own any apple product yes thats right i wont own an ipod or iphone ever. Windows and microsoft products might be dry in comparsion to apples but they devliver.

(1 reply) #12 neufuse on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:00

why in the world would you downgrade something during an install? I thought logic was if the thing is a newer version you keep the new version...

#12.1 Andrew Lyle on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:26

A simple overwrite command to any previous versions of flash, installed or not will set to that single version.

lazy coders

(2 replies) #13 artfuldodga on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:09

funny... guess that Wired artcile about OS 10.6 being less secure than Windows was more than spot on, not only does OS X lack much of the technology that Windows has, it ships with third party security exploits
that good sirs is FAIL

#13.1 Ci7 on 04 Sep 2009 - 02:39

the world most advance operating system !

:rollingeyes:

#13.2 pc_tool on 04 Sep 2009 - 13:46

artfuldodga said,

funny... guess that Wired artcile about OS 10.6 being less secure than Windows was more than spot on, not only does OS X lack much of the technology that Windows has, it ships with third party security exploits
that good sirs is FAIL

keep dreaming. you are good at that.

not only does OS X lack much of the technology that Windows has,

yes it lacks horribly broken and insecure stuff like Active X, the registry, etc... This is a good thing.

(2 replies) #14 JoshW02 on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:12

excatly then the safest thing to do is not ship with thrid party stuff like windows. Btw if windows shipped with flash the EU would get them for it why not apple?

#14.1 Majesticmerc on 03 Sep 2009 - 21:59

This is what I was thinking. Why ship it with Flash at all?

#14.2 CoolBits on 04 Sep 2009 - 12:00

And the alternative to flash is?
MS has silverlight, its own tech... but thats not bundled either.

#15 JoshW02 on 03 Sep 2009 - 22:06

Excatly wheres the EU on apple anyway microsoft would be killed. and yes it jusv will make the system less secure make them all download flash

(5 replies) #16 lordcanti86 on 03 Sep 2009 - 23:07

Why on Earth would anyone ship an OS with Flash pre-installed?

#16.1 x-byte on 03 Sep 2009 - 23:24

lordcanti86 said,

Why on Earth would anyone ship an OS with Flash pre-installed?

That's what I am thinking as well.

#16.2 JoshW02 on 03 Sep 2009 - 23:51

Me 2

#16.3 +warwagon on 04 Sep 2009 - 16:22

lordcanti86 said,

Why on Earth would anyone ship an OS with Flash pre-installed?

Could it be because the ENTIRE internet uses it.

#16.4 Majesticmerc on 05 Sep 2009 - 14:14

warwagon said,

Could it be because the ENTIRE internet uses it.

That's completely false, according to Opera's Metadata analysis application, just over a third of websites globally use it. (source: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/mama-key-findings/#flash). And something like flash gets updates very often, which means that this was fairly obviously going to happen.

Apple shouldn't be offering other peoples software as a part of their operating system install, stuff like this is exactly why the windows and various Linux distributions DON'T come with Flash pre-installed.

#16.5 LiquidSolstice on 05 Sep 2009 - 20:47

Majesticmerc said,

That's completely false, according to Opera's Metadata analysis application, just over a third of websites globally use it. (source: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/mama-key-findings/#flash). And something like flash gets updates very often, which means that this was fairly obviously going to happen.

Apple shouldn't be offering other peoples software as a part of their operating system install, stuff like this is exactly why the windows and various Linux distributions DON'T come with Flash pre-installed.

Yes, I'm sure a web browser company that has only 2.1% of the browsing market suddenly knows how many sites out there use flash.

Google would be a FAR more reliable statistical engine than Opera. Sheesh.

#17 Don Matteo on 04 Sep 2009 - 02:18

What could be the most distressing thing of all, is when users upgraded from Leopard (10.5) to Snow Leopard (10.6), users found themselves with a downgraded version of Adobe's Flash Player (10.0.23.1). Users who upgraded that had the latest security patches installed of Flash Player (10.0.32.1

found themselves with a vulnerable version installed on their machine.

This paragraph could use some work.

(1 reply) #18 Ci7 on 04 Sep 2009 - 02:38

why the hell flash is bundled with osx !

Monopoly ! Monopoly !Monopoly !!

seriously they are better off unbundled the crap that called 'Flash'

i hope sites hop into HTML5 and quick !

#18.1 Majesticmerc on 04 Sep 2009 - 08:25

Given that most sites don't even use HTML 4.01 properly, I wouldn't bank on it.

#19 Dead'Soul on 04 Sep 2009 - 18:12

"MacBook is hacked in seconds" will encounter again...

#20 vvtunes on 04 Sep 2009 - 18:23

Why not automatically run apple update after installation? Or not include 3rd party applications at all?

#21 powerade01 on 04 Sep 2009 - 19:12

First robbed, now hacked.

Whats next Apple?

Maybe these are all publicity stunts.

#22 HalcyonX12 on 07 Sep 2009 - 19:23

This is why I wait at least 6 months before updating OS versions... Nowadays, Release Candidate is the new Beta.

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