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Microsoft said to be hiring Apple Store managers and staff

Sam Symons   on 22 September 2009 - 00:45 · 39 comments & 4363 views

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Just recently, Microsoft unveiled their own range of dedicated stores in which they'll showcase their software and technologies, as well as directly compete with the opposing Apple Stores. Of course, with stores, you'll need managers and sales staff, which is apparently where Apple comes in. According to anonymous sources that spoke to The Loop, the Redmond-based software company has been offering jobs with higher pay and benefits to staff in Apple Stores, hoping to draw them away from the competition.

How it's working is that Microsoft offers a job to an Apple Store manager, who then takes the position and contacts the employees he or she once reigned over, hoping to get them to jump ship as well; to help persuade them, it is said that Microsoft has even offered to cover moving costs in some circumstances. This is, understandably, a very enticing offer for most, though it's unclear how well it's working out so far.

Some believe this is a rather clever move from Microsoft, even though others might think it's a bit wrong; by taking the top sales people from Apple, Microsoft can grow and Apple will suffer. As The Loop reminds us, it was revealed in July that Microsoft's stores were to be modeled after Apple's, with product tables on display and even a Genius Bar equivalent, named the Guru Bar.

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#1 timmmay on 22 Sep 2009 - 00:55
That's business for ya!
(5 replies) #2 Frank Fontaine on 22 Sep 2009 - 00:56
lol i'd love to see Apple bitten by their own kind of tactics
#2.1 dp123 on 22 Sep 2009 - 01:38
Last week you would have called a Genius an idiot, and now it's brilliant to steal those idiots? Poaching staff is an Apple tactic?
#2.2 Trong on 22 Sep 2009 - 03:02
They did do a bit of poaching from Palm, a while ago. I wanna say it was 20% of their staff, but don't quote me on that.
#2.3 jluckett on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:07
Don't you have that backwards? Palm was hiring away from Apple: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10314059-37.html
#2.4 cakesy on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:27
jluckett said,
Don't you have that backwards? Palm was hiring away from Apple: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10314059-37.html

Backwards, forward, sideways, some people will do anything to change reality into their favor. Much easier than accepting you are wrong.

The issue you would have if you take this offer is job security. How long will Microsoft put up with these stores if they don't pull in the cash?
#2.5 Trong on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:56
jluckett said,
Don't you have that backwards? Palm was hiring away from Apple: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10314059-37.html

Nah, that's a bit more recent. I'm talking about when Apple just began developing the iPhone, and picked up a large amount of Palm staff. I wanna say I heard it in an Engadget podcast so I'll go check it out.

EDIT: Here it is. Although I screwed up the numbers real bad. Apple hired 2% of of the Palm workforce if I read it right.

Apple, for its part, was still enjoying the glow of the golden halo rising above its iPhone launched just over a month prior with the help of 2% of Palm's hired workforce, according to Bloomberg.


http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/20/palms-c...al-plea-to-sto/

However, in more recent news, Palm definitely has been hiring/poaching from many top tier companies including Apple, Google, and Microsoft.


Last edited by Trong on 22 Sep 2009 - 05:07
(1 reply) #3 artfuldodga on 22 Sep 2009 - 00:57
so what if they are taking Managers or even Salespeople away? if the moneys better, one would be pretty silly to reject an offer based on fanboyism lol esp in this economy
it isn't illegal so this is a non-story... well its a flamebait story is what it is
#3.1 Pam14160 on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:51
You're right, it is just good business. . .not personnel, or maybe in this case it is the other way around. But what the he.., I would do the same thing.
(2 replies) #4 peterish on 22 Sep 2009 - 01:15
It's proper revenge for the "Mac vs PC" ads.
#4.1 toadeater on 22 Sep 2009 - 03:56
peterish said,
It's proper revenge for the "Mac vs PC" ads.


You think MS is going to advertise that they bribed Apple employees? Seems more like something that would be in one of those Apple ads; the PC guy handing out $$$ so people like him.
#4.2 +dead.cell on 22 Sep 2009 - 07:24
Proper "revenge" for those ads was already taken. They were a lot better too, and worked fairly well considering those at Apple went all spastic over it.
(2 replies) #5 necrosis on 22 Sep 2009 - 01:34
And this is shocking news?

I worked at a local Office Depot before it even opened. Helped with setup and all that. When it opened I would sell business machines (computers, fax machines, copiers, ect). I do not remember how long it was (Worked there years ago) but I would say within a week or two I was paged to a call. It was someone from CompUSA down the street trying to get me to work over there. Funny thing was I worked at that store a few years before that and left. After talking to some of the other sales people they got similar calls within a month of the location opening.
#5.1 cakesy on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:29
I think it is a shocking story. It is saying that Apple stores are the only ones that have decent managers, when I would think it would not be that hard to find a decent manager, from any number of stores. I mean, what do you need to do, make sure the stock is there, don't overstock, and hire good people.
#5.2 Pam14160 on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:54
cakesy, can sure tell you have never worked in upper management.
(7 replies) #6 ZakO on 22 Sep 2009 - 01:37
Please Microsoft, don't hire the people who work at the Apple stores, they know as much about computers as my parents (nothing).
#6.1 artfuldodga on 22 Sep 2009 - 01:56
this is true
#6.2 cakesy on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:31
ZakO said,
Please Microsoft, don't hire the people who work at the Apple stores, they know as much about computers as my parents (nothing).

You clearly have never been to a Mac store. I had an old ipod touch that broke, took it in, and the guy I spoke to new what they were talking about, unlike every other single computer store I have been in. It is laughable hearing someone try to justify buying the more expensive PC because it has a slightly faster processor, and you can download email AND listen to music at the same time.
#6.3 Pam14160 on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:55
I'am glad he "new" what he was. . .
#6.4 bob_c_b on 22 Sep 2009 - 11:56
ZakO said,
Please Microsoft, don't hire the people who work at the Apple stores, they know as much about computers as my parents (nothing).


They clearly know enough to work in an Apple Store copy, lol.
#6.5 +Kirkburn on 22 Sep 2009 - 13:21
cakesy said,
It is laughable hearing someone try to justify buying the more expensive PC because it has a slightly faster processor, and you can download email AND listen to music at the same time.

As opposed to buying the more expensive PC because it's Apple?
#6.6 cakesy on 22 Sep 2009 - 22:06
Kirkburn said,
As opposed to buying the more expensive PC because it's Apple?

I buy IBM Thinkpads when I need a Window laptop. They are more expensive, but I consider them worth it. Just the same as a mac, but the mac comes with a better OS in my opinion.
#6.7 Solid Knight on 22 Sep 2009 - 22:58
cakesy said,
I buy IBM Thinkpads when I need a Window laptop. They are more expensive, but I consider them worth it. Just the same as a mac, but the mac comes with a better OS in my opinion.


I buy $1000 bottles of water because I think its worth it and it comes with better water in my opinion.

Awesome justification.
#7 LAMj on 22 Sep 2009 - 03:28
you took their kids and now you rape their women...tsk tsk
(1 reply) #8 M_Lyons10 on 22 Sep 2009 - 03:30
Well, at least they aren't poaching from Best Buy...

Maybe we'll actually get some good customer service at the Microsoft Stores. I can't wait for them to open one near me at some point.
#8.1 cakesy on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:31
Wow, a compliment to Apple. Are you sure you want to say that?
(1 reply) #9 rm20010 on 22 Sep 2009 - 03:35
That's really sly...
#9.1 +dead.cell on 22 Sep 2009 - 07:25
Sly doesn't end up on the front page.
(3 replies) #10 Edrick Smith on 22 Sep 2009 - 03:57
That's typical Microsoft for you 30 years ago to today still using their same business model if we can't create something equal or superior we'll just take it from our competition.
#10.1 cakesy on 22 Sep 2009 - 04:32
To be fair, this is how a lot of companies work. There are stories every week about Apple/Microsoft/Google/Palm/Facebook/Yahoo hiring people away from Apple/Microsoft/Google/Palm/Facebook/Yahoo. Just never heard it before for a store manager. You can understand top level engineers being hunted, but managers?
#10.2 kouhii00 on 22 Sep 2009 - 06:01
cakesy said,
To be fair, this is how a lot of companies work. There are stories every week about Apple/Microsoft/Google/Palm/Facebook/Yahoo hiring people away from Apple/Microsoft/Google/Palm/Facebook/Yahoo. Just never heard it before for a store manager. You can understand top level engineers being hunted, but managers?


Not exactly true. In the high tech industry almost every directors/senior directors knows each other. When you hop around companies it will eventually catch up to you. Why? Because you have become too expensive to "keep" in the company, and with the fact that now the directors/senior directors know you will leave the company you are at when there's a better offer so the chance they will hire you when you are looking for another job at another company will be almost zero.

In addition, when you become too expensive to "keep" so the next batch of layoff you will be first in line.
#10.3 +Kirkburn on 22 Sep 2009 - 13:23
Edrick Smith said,
That's typical Microsoft for you 30 years ago to today still using their same business model if we can't create something equal or superior we'll just take it from our competition.

Yes, I'm imagining Microsoft worker creation lines now. These IBM arms, these Cisco legs, and these heads we stole from Apple.

Seriously now, how do you expect a company to "create" store managers?
(2 replies) #11 LynxMukka on 22 Sep 2009 - 12:15
LOL

Apple = Pwned
#11.1 bob_c_b on 22 Sep 2009 - 21:14
Yes, MS "innovating" by copying the Apple Store and now stealing it's employees is such a poor reflection on Apple.
#11.2 Solid Knight on 22 Sep 2009 - 23:01
...? Nobody has claimed that any of this was "innovative".
(1 reply) #12 fifewiskey on 22 Sep 2009 - 13:10
This is great. This is completely healthy competition. Next thing will be that Microsoft and Apple start creating their own sports teams and they will become bitter rivalries. This will evolve to what Clausewitz describes as total war. I bet Bill Gates can buy more bombers and ground troops than Steve Jobs. But this war will not be fought completely on the ground but rather in space, outer and virtual. There will be a couple of skirmishes in the Northwest US of A but not too many. The rest will be fought in the IBM stellar-sphere, Microsoft Galaxy, or Planet Starbucks. Things will get nasty....we are watching the birth of long, bitter war.
#12.1 Magallanes on 22 Sep 2009 - 13:59
Yes, just a detail:don't forget that Bill Gates is out and now MS is under (the reign of terror) of Ballmer and Ballmer is anything but passive.
#14 _dandy_ on 23 Sep 2009 - 16:28
You mean Apple didn't put a non-compete clause in their employment contracts? That's pretty much standard practice nowadays...

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