The BPI have accused BT of not doing enough to prevent music piracy, after handing them 100,000 IP addresses of users allegedly caught sharing copyrighted files, according to an article by TorrentFreak posted yesterday.BT said it could cost ISPs £365m a year to take action against piracy, although the chief executive of the BPI, Geoff Taylor, claims that BT's figures are exaggerated. The BPI said it was "shameful" that BT had nothing about the 100,000 IP addresses it gave them, however chief of BT's consumer division, John Petter, said that taking such action could cost £365m a year, a whole £165m more than what the BPI claims the music industry will lose this year, due to piracy.
However, just as BT labelled the BPI's figures for losses as "melodramatic", the BPI has claimed that BT's figures are also exaggerated, implying that it would not cost as much to take the suggested action from the BPI. According to TorrentFreak, Geoff Taylor said to The Mirror, "It's shameful for a company like BT to know that a high percentage of the traffic it carries is illegal material but do nothing."
BT claim that the responsibility lies on the BPI, and that they should prosecute the alleged file-sharers. The BPI, however, state the opposite.
Although harvesting IP addresses is becoming a more common practise, until a decision is made on who holds the responsibility of prosecuting the pirates, not much progress can be made, in the UK, at least.
If the BPI were serious, they'd file with the court before getting the user's details. The BPI is utterly, utterly shameful in selectively choosing the cases it goes chooses. They choose the people least likely to be able to pay court fees, and those who are unlikely to have a grasp of the law so they pay up a huge settlement.
This is not on, and needs to change. http://pirateparty.org.uk
Has it got to the point where so many people do something illegal, that nothing can be done?
Protection in numbers.
and if you don't / can't pay the fine?
I didn't say legal. I said "nothing can be done".
Actually, that's not too far off from how things do work. Laws are, by and large, based on public opinion. If enough people feel that a law is unjust, then they can certainly convince lawmakers to change the law. So stop brown-nosing the RIAA and MPAA.
Proof of committing an illegal act does not equal being guilty of committing a crime in the UK.
Bringing decisions based on morality into the courtroom? That outrageous!
they wont do anything, people will just got to other providers.
or use wireless dongles. you don't supply any information to activate them.
I'm sure you can top up anon also. Can't remember.
What percentage of people in the WHOLE WORLD are murderers? Now, what percentage of people in the whole world are FILE SHARERS? Find a better analogy, at least! Your comparing a minority to a majority.
Yes, because downloading a few MP3's or movies = murder.
to the music industry it is
i wonder how much money is wasted on fighting piracy, that could be used for important things
m not really sure where you stand.
The ISPs could do it if there was a financial incentive to do so, but for the BPI to say "Help us, it will save your souls but cost you £300 million" doesn't really give them much incentive now does it?
Why must these
cartelsorganisations be so foolish? If they actually had a clue what they were talking about (i.e. hiring advisors and experts) then they might be able to do something about pirates, or at least develop a way (e.g. Spotify) to combat piracy.On a separate note, what use are these IP addresses, I thought it was already well established that IP addresses aren't personally identifiable?
how does that work with BT?, the logon for every user is "home@btbroadband.com" (or something like that) you dont actually need to authenticate anything @btbroadband.com will connect you on bts adsl
You log in, and you are given an IP address. Your modem has a MAC code. As Tim Dawg says, the two are logged, and if required by a court order all traffic going to your IP+MAC can be monitored.
As Fish said, your login has nothing at all to do with it. Your modem's MAC address is registered with your ISP, and tied to your actual account information. When you connect, that MAC address is assigned an IP address.
besides the mac address, they know the physical phone line which goes into your home... im sure that they look at which DSL circuit you are on rather than looking at the mac address in the packets...
As I said and as will always say, the movie industry, actors, record companies and the artists have no one to blame but themseleves, they charge absurd's amount of money, think they are better than everyone else. Well I have news for them, they are human being's, that provide nothing to society. THink about or emergency services, who risk their lives day in and day out, to help other human's and get paid peanuts for doing such.
actually its Your responsibility, if you read the Terms and conditions of the contract you have with your ips it will state
you are not allowed to access illegal content or some thing along those lines.
if you download illegal files from the internet and get caught dont blame the isp.
So -1, to both of you, for lack of reading comprehension...
In fact, now that I think about taking "responsibility" for crimes being commited, something springs to mind. With the UKs Data Protection Act, I would be very surprised if BT could legally hand over identifiable personal data without warrant even if they wanted to, I'm pretty sure that would be very illegal. I think that the BPI are actually showing some pretty shady behavior here.
It is also a very good tool for advertising, you download a song you put it on your ipod your mum hears it she buys the cd etc
It's not stealing it's Copying and has huge huge advertising, the dark knight most Pirated film ever, also the most profitable.
When will they companies learn that these stunts do nothing except **** off tones of people who get charged who are a tiny, tiny proportion of the warez community. Why should Governments care as well al money has to go somewhere so if there is a poor family of 5 and their son downloads music they still spend on food etc which has tax on it and will be able to enjoy a higher quality of life opposed to the family having no/little music and less food etc meaning they get possibly depressed and get kicked out of work, meaning that the Governments are not looking to give people a better quality of life but to pathetically work in favour of the companies who have no clue what they are doing.
If it's costing the film industry so much they stop paying they super actors millions every year and stop making a ****ty movie and pumping in will millions of cgi a very very good film can be made for £15m it doesn't take £200m to make a good film most often the time.
Im just going to say lawl to this. Its not stealing, how can you steal something that isn't physical. Its not theft its infringement.....
Well the 'copying' devil seems to have stolen your soul!
By the way I'd like to thank all 'copyists' for making me jobless. I've never been happier or more grateful, perhaps if Mr Polanski is also deemed 'innocent' I will be able to look forward to some legal paedophilia in my old age......
By the way I'd like to thank all 'copyists' for making me jobless. I've never been happier or more grateful, perhaps if Mr Polanski is also deemed 'innocent' I will be able to look forward to some legal paedophilia in my old age......
Im sorry but no devil has touched my soul.
Im the person that if I download it and like it, I buy it. But what's the point? All the money just goes to the fat cat RIAA/etc Overlords, giving them more money to sue and abuse. And then it just gives pennies to the artist. I suppose thats why I like independent music better, goes straight to the artist.
Its not a criminal offense, its a civil offense
Its like two fisherman telling stories about who caught bigger fish with clear winner - one with wider hands.
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Then they will have to piggy back an unsecured network like talktalk520 for example.
Exactly. Good point.
Man, I really feel for people like Madonna or Will Smith, and their absolutely horrendous living conditions...
It's all down to our blame culture...
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