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Pioneer to release first 12x Blu-ray Disc burner

Grant Steele   on 01 October 2009 - 00:45 · 31 comments & 3666 views

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Pioneer has nabbed victory in being the first company to manufacture a 12x Blu-ray writer for single and dual-layer media. The current generation of Blu-ray burners holds a maximum write speed of 8x, making the new release quite a performance boost.

In addition to cutting burn times, Pioneer claims that the new BDR-205 burner has been designed with a low vibration mechanism that will improve writing accuracy over the current generation of burners.

The burner will also be able to read and write DVD media at 16x and CD media at 40x.

Pioneer has long been at the forefront of optical media research and design, introducing its Laserdisc products in 1980, the first DVD writer and home DVD recorder in the late 1990s, and the first DVD/CD burner and Blu-ray Disc burner earlier this century.

Pioneer's latest creation comes on the heels of an NPD investigation into the market for Blu-ray players. In this investigation, NPD compared the types of consumers owning and buying Blu-ray Disc players in February 2008 with consumers in August 2009. Their findings showed a maturing market, which will finally penetrate the mainstream in 2010, after years on the sidelines.

The BDR-205 will go on sale this month. It's retail cousin, the BDR-2205, is scheduled to ship in the first quarter of 2010 and is expected to have a recommended price of $US249.


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(1 reply) #1 +ZX2 on 01 Oct 2009 - 00:55
I'll buy one when they hit 50x 50x 50x
#1.1 FloatingFatMan on 01 Oct 2009 - 06:57
ZX2 said,
I'll buy one when they hit 50x 50x 50x


I'll buy one when they hit £50. :p
(7 replies) #2 cabron on 01 Oct 2009 - 00:57
$249? too pricey for most people
#2.1 ozzy76 on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:11
CD burners were $250 at one time also.
#2.2 cabron on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:17
ozzy76 said,
CD burners were $250 at one time also.


True, but they eventually went down, BR has been for few years and still expensive for most people.
#2.3 bryonhowley on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:25
ozzy76 said,
CD burners were $250 at one time also.

Hell CD-Rom drives were $250 or more at one time to!
#2.4 Raa on 01 Oct 2009 - 02:00
The original Creative CD-Rom (1 kit used to cost $999 (AU) once.

At $250 for a 12x BD writer, i'd buy one!
#2.5 GP007 on 01 Oct 2009 - 04:45
The question now is, does anyone care? Unless you have the need/desire to burn copies of any BD movies you might have, for that money you'd be better off just getting more hard drives.

#2.6 iamwhoiam on 01 Oct 2009 - 05:53
I think people care. It's not all about making backups of movies. Some do use BD for data backups.
#2.7 +Frazell Thomas on 01 Oct 2009 - 14:28
cabron said,
$249? too pricey for most people


The cream of the crop is always pricey. This drive will put downward pressure on the price of the slower drives as the top tier release has always done. So it will translate into cheaper drives for everyone .

The current price is too high for me to be interested, but with the burn speeds getting faster I am becoming interested in a BluRay burner for data backups . I don't use my DVD burner anymore as the size of a dual layer is now too small.
(4 replies) #3 Frank Fontaine on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:04
Pioneer make the best optical drives in the business
#3.1 protocol7 on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:12
Frank Fontaine said,
Pioneer make the best optical drives in the business

Absolutely. I've bought 3 DVD drives in the last 10 years. First was a DVD-ROM, then a DVD-RW and then a DL DVD-RW. All of them were Pioneer and all are still working perfectly.
#3.2 cabron on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:18
protocol7 said,
Absolutely. I've bought 3 DVD drives in the last 10 years. First was a DVD-ROM, then a DVD-RW and then a DL DVD-RW. All of them were Pioneer and all are still working perfectly.


That's probably why they are so expensive.
#3.3 shockz on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:28
cabron said,
That's probably why they are so expensive.


I noticed they tend to be a bit pricy, but the majority of my entertainment purchases for TV's, Car Audio, CD/DVD/BD Players, etc are Pioneer.

I've never had any of them go bad. Ever. I guess I'm a Pioneer fanboy. lol
#3.4 protocol7 on 01 Oct 2009 - 08:04
cabron said,
That's probably why they are so expensive.

Not at all. Apart from the DVD-ROM (£50 in 1999), they were all bought online. The burners didn't cost much more than a LG or NEC drive at the time. I always buy the cheaper OEM deals.

My Pioneer hi-fi (bought in 94) is still going strong too
#4 zeta_immersion on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:19
Awesome, i might get one but for that amount of money i am tempted to save and buy hd's for a raid system ...
(6 replies) #5 uRdoomd on 01 Oct 2009 - 01:56
I've used em all. Pioneers are good, but definately not the best. Plextor are the best one's I've used so far. Currently they do not have any BD Burners but once they do, if they do, I'll be the first to pick one up. I've had faulty batches of DVD's/CD's before but both LG (Probably the worst of the "good" brands) and Pioneer could not make a burn out of them. Plextor has made some bad batches of DVD's usable, for the most part, when the other 2 wouldn't even come close to a good burn. As we speak, I'm using a Samsung drive which also has not let me down as of yet, but then I've not yet had a bad batch of dvd's either. I got the samsung drive because I returned a comstar drive for the pioneer drive I still have in my old computer, but it was IDE and I made the switch to SATA. The drive which I had returned, the Comstar (also another LG company) I absolutely hated about as much as the old LG brand I tried previously. Needless to say I'll never buy another LG brand device as long as I live. I definately would try another Pioneer drive, but my first choice as of today stands at Plextor drives, but since there are no BD burners yet, if at all, I'm stuck with the next best thing.
#5.1 timmmay on 01 Oct 2009 - 02:46
Have you ever thought that a higher fault tolerance isn't necessarily a good thing?
#5.2 MistaT40 on 01 Oct 2009 - 03:03
I agree - I think Plextor makes probably the best burners in the market which is why I find they are always the priciest. Given that, Pioneer makes some very good burners too - great performance and reliability. I would go with either those 2 normally - though Panasonic/Mats (sp?) is pretty common now in all desktops especially laptops.
#5.3 Burned on 01 Oct 2009 - 03:16
uRdoomd said,
I've used em all. Pioneers are good, but definately not the best. Plextor are the best one's I've used so far. Currently they do not have any BD Burners but once they do, if they do, I'll be the first to pick one up. I've had faulty batches of DVD's/CD's before but both LG (Probably the worst of the "good" brands) and Pioneer could not make a burn out of them. Plextor has made some bad batches of DVD's usable, for the most part, when the other 2 wouldn't even come close to a good burn. As we speak, I'm using a Samsung drive which also has not let me down as of yet, but then I've not yet had a bad batch of dvd's either. I got the samsung drive because I returned a comstar drive for the pioneer drive I still have in my old computer, but it was IDE and I made the switch to SATA. The drive which I had returned, the Comstar (also another LG company) I absolutely hated about as much as the old LG brand I tried previously. Needless to say I'll never buy another LG brand device as long as I live. I definately would try another Pioneer drive, but my first choice as of today stands at Plextor drives, but since there are no BD burners yet, if at all, I'm stuck with the next best thing.


Well I have built many systems with LG DVD writers and have had none fail. My system currently has a 5 year old LG and its going strong. Liteon is the brand I see fail often.
I have a Pioneer 4x DVD writer in my system at work. It works great still but sure is picky about what media it works with.
Plextor defiantly makes quality products! I just pulled a Plextor CD writer out of my Media Center PC to replace with my LG DVD writer. I was quite surprised at how heavy it weighs. 9 years later and it still works great!!

Last edited by Burned on 01 Oct 2009 - 03:23
#5.4 Sikh on 01 Oct 2009 - 05:38
This is the first PC I built, its almost 2 years this november and let me tell you LITEON SUCKS. The dvd drive was $24.99 oem, I didnt care because i had the cables. Anyway, it ran perfect, and still is, and I dont use it often. But with windows 7 hitting RTM, I decided to take the dust off of my dvds and burn one.

Poped it in 2 weeks ago, and there goes the dvd drive, nice and smooth and all of a sudden a high pitch sound came from the drive, ever since then, any cd/dvd i pop in, whenever it spins, low or high speed(i prefer this, sound goes away faster) the sound is a high pitched squealing. Until the cd's done loading. If its spinning constantly the sound is contant.

I will go LG, or anyother brand for my 2nd build.
#5.5 Shiranui on 01 Oct 2009 - 06:33
uRdoomd said,
I've used em all. Pioneers are good, but definately not the best. Plextor are the best one's I've used so far. Currently they do not have any BD Burners but once they do, if they do, I'll be the first to pick one up. I've had faulty batches of DVD's/CD's before but both LG (Probably the worst of the "good" brands) and Pioneer could not make a burn out of them. Plextor has made some bad batches of DVD's usable, for the most part, when the other 2 wouldn't even come close to a good burn. As we speak, I'm using a Samsung drive which also has not let me down as of yet, but then I've not yet had a bad batch of dvd's either. I got the samsung drive because I returned a comstar drive for the pioneer drive I still have in my old computer, but it was IDE and I made the switch to SATA. The drive which I had returned, the Comstar (also another LG company) I absolutely hated about as much as the old LG brand I tried previously. Needless to say I'll never buy another LG brand device as long as I live. I definately would try another Pioneer drive, but my first choice as of today stands at Plextor drives, but since there are no BD burners yet, if at all, I'm stuck with the next best thing.


Plextor are so good, their Blu-ray drive don't even exist!!111
#5.6 Gotenks98 on 01 Oct 2009 - 12:48
uRdoomd said,
I've used em all. Pioneers are good, but definately not the best. Plextor are the best one's I've used so far. Currently they do not have any BD Burners but once they do, if they do, I'll be the first to pick one up. I've had faulty batches of DVD's/CD's before but both LG (Probably the worst of the "good" brands) and Pioneer could not make a burn out of them. Plextor has made some bad batches of DVD's usable, for the most part, when the other 2 wouldn't even come close to a good burn. As we speak, I'm using a Samsung drive which also has not let me down as of yet, but then I've not yet had a bad batch of dvd's either. I got the samsung drive because I returned a comstar drive for the pioneer drive I still have in my old computer, but it was IDE and I made the switch to SATA. The drive which I had returned, the Comstar (also another LG company) I absolutely hated about as much as the old LG brand I tried previously. Needless to say I'll never buy another LG brand device as long as I live. I definately would try another Pioneer drive, but my first choice as of today stands at Plextor drives, but since there are no BD burners yet, if at all, I'm stuck with the next best thing.

I agree about plextor. I have pretty much never bought any other drive but plextor. But in the end what it boils down to is that you are paying for reliability over those other brands. The only thing I dont like is the price. Now about this blu-ray thing, the costs of the media are often at times more than the actual real pressed blu-ray disk so I cant see buying one of these. The blu-ray pressed disks cost too much too. I will be sticking to regular dvds till those go down in price. I am in no rush to get a blu-ray drive of any kind.
#6 Shadrack on 01 Oct 2009 - 03:50
I remember wanting a cd burner soo bad. Make audio cd mixes at home? So cool. Then when DVD burners came out i thought my data storage and backup problems were finally solved. Now, with blueray I couldn't care less tbh. I have a hard time seeing how this is useful to anyone except for people who want to prototype bluray video discs. To everyone else an external >500gb harddrive seems like such a better option than this. Idk. Maybe if the media was cheeper and the drives were <100 i will jump in just to have one.
#7 m.keeley on 01 Oct 2009 - 04:27
Shame the fastest media is only 6X
#8 Baked on 01 Oct 2009 - 05:45
The price of the drive doesn't bother me one bit....but until media prices come down I won't be getting one.

Cheapest I can find is $8 up to $13 re-writables are obviously more $15-20 Each

DVD's are like $30-45 for a 100x Pack ie 30-45 cents each

Ok Blu Ray hold about 4.5-5 times the data of DVD but still that's only about $1.50's worth of DVD discs
I burn loads of data backups and its just worth it YET
#9 tuxplorer on 01 Oct 2009 - 06:21
Sony, Pioneer and Plextor are long-lasting in my experience. Btw does this one burn DVD-RAM? And why doesn't the BD Association come up with a successor to DVD-RAM? They also kiled HD DVD-RAM when they killed HD DVD.
#10 The Teej on 01 Oct 2009 - 07:24
$249 doesn't sound that bad actually, I was expecting it to be a -lot- higher. Maybe it's just me being used to new technology being really expensive, but well, I was expecting a price tag around $400, $500 or maybe even higher again.

If you really need bleeding edge, then $249 seems like a fair price to pay.
#11 liemfukliang on 01 Oct 2009 - 11:20
I will buy it with this current price IF the media price has been 4,000 IDR or $0,5.
Anyway I use Pioneer DVD ROM slot 106 till now and it is ok.
I also use Pioneer DVD Writer A-09. It just OK till now.

My friend joke about disc optic is if the disk is scratch 1 mm, in CD ROM you data will only lost few MB. In DVD it will brake a GB data. In blu ray it event few GB data.

I have been use Creative CD Rom 8x with sound blaster 16 (1 big packet).
Cybermedia 24x CD Rom
Asus 50x.
Yamaha 2200E CD Writer.
And the pioneer above.

The last two that is not pioneer has been broke .
In drive optic thing I don't like buy OEM, aka you buy other big brand and you put different brand. Like Sony to Lite On. Etc. Fortunately Piooner make it by it on.
#12 SpyCatcher on 01 Oct 2009 - 19:09
at $75 I am an owner.
#13 dav999 on 03 Oct 2009 - 11:05
This latest speed increase could be the thing that finally kick-starts mass-market sales next year - it's been a long time coming. Then prices will come down of course just as we all saw with the CD writer - and just about any other technology for that matter.
Dav.

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