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Yea, it sounds good. I didn't even realize it wasn't finalized. It's been fine for me for the past month or so.

This is good news. Finally, Microsoft has given up on convincing everyone to move to Vista/w7, and released a new version of XP. This will keep all the people who just want to get work done happy. Good for you Microsoft, admitting when you are wrong.

Does anyone know what this new version offers over the last one?

Is there anyone besides me who can't try it due to processor not having virtualization support?

I can't use it at work, but I can use it at home.
Virtualbox'ing it at work instead.

This is not a new version of Windows XP, it's just a Virtual Mode for Windows 7 for those running Windows 7 that need legacy support. It can only be run in a virtual environment within Windows 7. Microsoft didn't do anything wrong with releasing a new OS, trollboy.

Nope, you're the only one on Earth. Why don't you have a new AMD processor that has hardware virtualization support? It's real good.

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

Wow, I can't believe only one person caught that. cakesy, please don't comment on a story you know nothing about.

You are seriously clueless when it comes to this. It's the same thing from you over and over again. Anything to bash Microsoft. This is NOT a new version of XP. We all know you're a Mac fanboy. Go back to slurping up the Steve Jobs man gravy.

no.

Doubtful. I haven't played with it yet, but seeing as how it is a seperate OS completely it won't be integrated that well...

You are basically running two seperate OSs.

Doesn't work like that :/

Time to get a new sound card or a new PC in general.

What card is it a lot of creative cards have windows 7 drivers. i am using an audigy 2 just fine in windows 7

I see. Thanks.

It's a SoundBlaster Live card. I've tried to install a few drivers from Creative but it didn't work. I'll try something else. Thanks.

Try the kX drivers. They are a 3rd party made drivers for emu10k1/2 sound cards i.e. Live! and Audigy. I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post links directly to a post on another forums, if I'm not please let me know.

Homepage (and latest stable version): http://kxproject.lugosoft.com

Compatibility list is in here: http://kb.kxproject.lugosoft.com/list.html

You can get the current beta version from here (the one Win7 compatible): http://www.driverheaven.net/general-discus...ed-x86-x64.html

Thanks, will try it out.

Cheers!

Go over to the Creative Labs forums and look for Daniel_k posts. He has drivers for a lot of the older cards for 7.

Excellent question!

Well, actually, any changes since RC, because it had.


...I would like to also know.

Not that we'll ever know, but I'll say "yes, most likely".

XP Mode is going to be the Win7 "killer app". It works really well (though less advanced users just might need some help in configuring it, and actually starting a virtualized app is a bit slow), and it takes away the excuse that a user "has" to have XP.

Well, does XP mode make Vista faster, and less annoying? No. Does it stop Vista for re-arranging everything, so even the simplest thing in XP takes minutes just to find in Vista? No. Does it make XP run faster on your machine from when it is only running with one OS? No. Does it make Vista any better? No.

Considering Vista wasn't bad, it's a non-issue.

Considering it could've been better, but Windows 7 is now here, it's a moot point now.

@ Cakesy:

Do you just sit on neowin all day trolling against Microsoft threads?

Use instant search from the start menu to find stuff if you can't locate it.
Upgrade your hardware to something mid-budget at the time Vista was released. Judging from your relentless bias and total lack of credible information I'm assuming you've never used Vista or tried it once on a 3 year old PC in 2006/2007.

The biggest REAL problem with Vista within enterprises was the application issues. Most apps worked fine, however apps that were coded badly (assumed users had admin rights, used hard-coded paths to Cocuments and Settings rather than using environmental variables etc.) didn't work.
Developers that READ MSDN - their apps worked OK. In-house devs that didn't read up on standards before writting their app (and didn't test on Vista in the 2 year beta stage) had their apps broken.

XP Mode fixes this for the remaining apps that cannot be rewritten to use proper Win32 development standards.

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Well, does XP mode make Vista faster, and less annoying?
-Nope - but improving your hardware will

Does it stop Vista for re-arranging everything, so even the simplest thing in XP takes minutes just to find in Vista?
-No idea about the "rearranging" comment, but finding stuff in Vista has been one of the best things my users have mentioned. Instant search - they love it!

Does it make XP run faster on your machine from when it is only running with one OS?
-I see your making your point twice, but I'll repeat myself anyway - UPGRADE YOUR HARDWARE! 2Gig of RAM and a non-budget CPU from the last 3 years will do fine. (V. modern P4 or some sort of dual core, or a similar AMD)

THANK YOU stevehoot. It's the same b.s. all day long with this guy. Anything to bash MS and proclaim Apple as the savior of mankind.

I was totally blindsided by this. wow.

You *should* be able to do that.

Have you tried installing in "Compatibility" mode? I've found a lot of MSI-based installs seem to work fine if Win7 just spoofs itself.

Sadly, yes I've tried compatibility mode without much luck. I still have the same problem irregardless of whether I run the installer in compatibility mode.

I've run F-22 TAW, Jane's F/A- 18 and NFS Porche Unleashed on Win 7 without issue or need for compatibility settings on both 32 and 64 bit.

If you've installed it, you can log in to the VM itself in the Virtual PC folder in the "All Programs" menu.

After logging in, any program you install in the XP VM can have its shortcuts published to the Win7 Start menu.

I simply does not work. Im viewing the tutorial in case I need to see that but my PC does nothing at all. I typed in Virtual PC in the start menu nothing. I tried going to where I installed the virtual disk drive, nothing. Where can I start this Windows XP mode?

It is not a scam, it is a virtual machine with Windows XP installed on it so people can run older programs that aren't coded properly on Windows 7. Was Rosetta a scam?

Interesting read, thanks for posting. This Xp mode sounds good, but if it doesn't run on most of the computer out there, then it is useless.

Did you note the date of the original Inq (eewwwwww) post? Lots of things have changed since their "review". Follow the link in the original post for more info, including what's changed since the beta.

The Inquirer is hardly a credible or reliable source, and how is giving away a free copy of XP which is integrated into Windows 7 a scam?

Be grateful, Microsoft could of charged everyone $100+ to obtain and use it.

Also this should run just fine on any machine made within the last 4 - 5 years without much of an issue so long as you have the memory to support running the operating system and a virtual machine.

I tested XP in a virtual environment on a crappy Celeron D, 1 GB of ram, and a Geforce FX 5500. I don't think it's going to take much horsepower to run this, so don't fret.

Hardware acceleration would make a wold of difference though, wonder if they might push out hardware acceleration as an update down the road?

The Inq? I stopped reading after that.

and stopped reading there....

Rosetta can't be compared with this. Windows XP Mode is similar to the Classic environment of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and below.

It's the same thing. It's a shim that lets you run a previous OS in a sandbox. Rosetta does the same thing, but emulates the PPC as well.

No, Rosetta does not emulate the entire OS, it only emulates the PPC processor for code that is not Universal. Classic is a complete VM, like XP Mode, but does not emulate the processor, so it doesn't work on Intel Macs. The only thing that allows running Classic apps on an Intel Mac would be an emulator like SheepShaver, although it does not have desktop integration like XP Mode or Classic.

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In a way... "Classic" mode was just OS9 running ontop of OSX that you had to launch from inside OSX

Which is pretty much the same as Windows XP Mode. You're running Windows XP on top of Windows 7.

You sir need to get out more

Windows 7 Beta, RC, and RTM without updates was considered more stable, faster, and reliable than Vista by many of it's testers, so I would consider retracting that comment..

Windows XP is faster through VMware due to hardware/D3D acceleration, that is why Microsoft should consider adding acceleration to Windows XP mode. I like that it can integrate into Windows 7 seamlessly, hardware acceleration would make it much more useful.

LOL! True!