If you were to ask the average citizen to describe Microsoft they would probably tell you that they are a mega corporation whose main product is Windows. Depending on their age they may also describe the company as one that has a monopoly on many software genres and is anti-competitive.During the '90s and even in to the early 2000s Microsoft dominated the home computer landscape. The typical user wrote their documents in Microsoft Office, on top of a Windows XP platform while browsing in IE 6. They were so dominant, in fact, that they were ruled as being anti-competitive in Europe in 2004.
In 2000, Microsoft had a market share of about 87% and today this figure remains unchanged. They grew leaps and bounds in the '90s over their competitors who were falling behind, IBM, Apple and other variations of Linux and UNIX made up a small percentage. Today, though, they have stagnated to the same level as 2000 of about 87.75%. While the number is impressive, it is one of the few areas that Microsoft has remained competitive other than its Office product division.
Microsoft's first major public form of competition was the browser war against Netscape. Netscape was offering up a competing product to Microsoft's Internet Explorer: both products were designed for browsing the Internet. Microsoft eventually dominated the competition because it was able to offer a free product bundled with its operating system while Netscape tried to get users to pay for its product.
After this, Microsoft gained the reputation of being the industry juggernaut and rightfully so; they deserved that title. They controlled the majority of the market with regards to the home PC operating system, web browser, and office products.
But, as time has moved on, is Microsoft still the de facto player it built itself up to be? Microsoft seems to have lost some of its stature of producing the de facto products or always being the market leader in whatever products they sold.
When Firefox launched September of 2002 it was a little known browser taking on the giant Internet Explorer 6. By May 1st of 2004 it had barely 1% of the market share while IE had 95%. It was a true story of David vs. Goliath.
What happened in the following years is nothing short of spectacular for the underdog browser. Mozilla (the company behind Firefox) never gave up on their product. After many years of being defeated ruthlessly by Microsoft they went on a campaign to take back the market. Mozilla received a dedicated following and actively pursued IE. By March of 2009 they had clawed their way up to a very respectable 18% of the market. The reason? Microsoft fell asleep between the development of IE 6 and IE 7; they had presumed that IE 6 was all that the consumer ever needed. They believed this so much in fact that they stopped working on the standalone browser.
In the void left by Microsoft's slovenly development of IE, Firefox took up the competition and forced the company back into the browser wars. Today Microsoft is fighting against Firefox, Safari, Chrome and Opera to keep their market share. But it seems Microsoft may have more to learn as its newest browser IE 8 fails to include support for web standards such as HTML 5.
Did Microsoft become lazy? In a sense, yes they did. When they slacked off in the browser area Firefox came in and re-lit their fire. But this was not limited to just the browser market. Microsoft's slack attitude actually held back adoption of web standards and the progression of the web. That's to say, their behavior had a wider impact than just setting them behind the competition, because of just how huge their market share was. Even today web developers still have to decide if they want to code support for IE 6; major websites like Digg and YouTube have publicly said they will no longer support IE 6.
Windows Vista is a black mark on the company's face that they wish to get removed. After years of delays and unfilled promises they released an operating system that felt as if it was undercooked and only slightly satisfied the consumers' needs. Apple, seeing this, embarked on an advertising campaign that will go down as one of the most recognizable in the history of TV advertisements. The famous Mac vs. PC advertisements hit hard against Microsoft as Apple took Vista's shortcoming and moved in much like Firefox did with IE.
In December of 2008 Apple posted its biggest gains in two years, taking 8.9% of the market share, growing 0.66% in a two year period. Microsoft in that same month dropped below 90%, dropping 0.84, its largest drop in two years. While Microsoft still has a commanding lead, Apple has found ways to dig into Microsoft's dominant market and is slowly eroding its market share and reputation with its successful advertisements.
While the browser wars and the OS wars have seemed to have only given Microsoft a slight setback there are a few other areas where they have failed to live up to their stigma of dominating any market in which they sell software.
Windows Mobile has been a disaster for Microsoft. While promising to deliver the home OS experience on a cell phone it has done nothing but tarnish the company's reputation. Most recently Steve Balmer, Microsoft CEO, admitted that they "screwed up". For the entire year of 2008 Microsoft's Windows Mobile was sold on a little more 16 million devices, while Symbian sold 72.9 Million units and RIM sold 23 million units. Microsoft was able to move a decent amount of handsets but they are far from the leader of the market. They were also beaten in market growth with Apple leading at 245%, RIM at 96.7% and Palm grew at 42.2%; Microsoft only grew 12% and was beaten by the category "Other OSs". Microsoft has a long way to go in the Mobile market as Apple has proved to be a fierce competitor in growth and customer satisfaction; JD Power and Associates ranked Apple users as the most satisfied among mobile operating systems.
Most notably the largest shortcoming that Microsoft has failed to capitalize on is online search. When Google arrived with its "do no evil" tag line it was a direct attack at Microsoft. Microsoft was not only found sleeping but it was also playing catch-up to Google, something it was not used to doing. Google has dominated the search market and Microsoft has found itself running in circles trying to catch-up to a market it once controlled.
When Google launched its email service offering virtually unlimited storage Microsoft was dead in the water. Their offer, Hotmail, only offered a paltry 5MB and lost customers to Gmail in a record fashion. Microsoft tried to reinvent itself with its Live branding and search but ultimately came up short in yet another area; although its newest search engine, Bing, has been making strides in helping Microsoft gain some credibility in the online search market.
As the home PC is moving closer to "cloud computing",this is having all your information stored on a remote server, Google is again a step ahead of Microsoft. Google launched "Google Docs", these are programs that work in the cloud and compete directly against Microsoft Office, and the big difference is that Google Docs is free. While not as robust as the offline version of Office, it does offer a way to side step purchasing the Office package and using an online free variant. Microsoft felt so threatened by this that they have gone and started testing their own online version of Office as well.
Microsoft has also found out that just because they put their name on a product that it does not means guaranteed success. The Zune, for example, launched and instantly become the laughing stock of the industry. It did very little to even nudge away any of Apple's market share. Microsoft latest earning reports for Q2 show that there was a 42% drop on the non-gaming side of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices unit, which includes the Zune. A second effort is underway though by Microsoft with the Zune HD.
Is Microsoft today the same Microsoft of the '90s? While they did fall asleep and release a line of lackluster products that ultimately hurt their image, they still continue to hold strong in the operating system market share and their office product suite. But the question is, is the damage done, have consumers gotten the message that there is an alternative out there to Microsoft? The answer is yes; the competitors in the field took advantage of Microsoft's laziness and have made a mark for their names. Will Microsoft rebound with the launch of Bing and Windows 7? It's likely to a degree but with Google launching a new OS soon, Apple spearheading advertisements, and software moving to the cloud, the biggest question is if and how Microsoft will adapt.
Special thanks to Rob for his contributions
















i suggest author use his 'talents' in a more useful manner
Google, do no evil... thats laughable today
i suggest author use his 'talents' in a more useful manner
Google, do no evil... thats laughable today
Your comment is flamebait.
As much as may like to disagree, this description is very accurate and very true. There are certain people here who, for some reason, really love Microsoft, and can't accept that they have ever done any wrong. They are no different to Apple lovers, which I don't see so much any more. It seems they have been replaced by softies.
Yes, the article is straight to the point.
However, I noticed a typo in paragraph 8:
"What happened in the following years... By March of 2009..."
The year 2009 is obviously wrong. First, Firefox already has a much bigger share than 18% now in 2009*, and second, it goes on to retell how MS slacked between IE6 and 7, which was already many years ago.
* Current market share of Firefox (all versions) is 46.6%: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
i suggest author use his 'talents' in a more useful manner
Google, do no evil... thats laughable today
Right. Anyone who thinks Google is all sharing and fuzzy should type "google will" into their search engine and check the suggestions that pop up.
However, I noticed a typo in paragraph 8:
"What happened in the following years... By March of 2009..."
The year 2009 is obviously wrong. First, Firefox already has a much bigger share than 18% now in 2009*, and second, it goes on to retell how MS slacked between IE6 and 7, which was already many years ago.
* Current market share of Firefox (all versions) is 46.6%: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
I wish that was true, but that site is a specialty site, and doesn't reflect real market presence across the web. That is a web development site, so you would expect people using it to be smarter that your average person, and more willing to try different browsers, rather than the one that came with their OS.
The true stats are hard to get, but it is probably around 33%, depending on where you go.
its 24%
and this it broken down into versions: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-ma...re.aspx?qprid=2
I don't known but may be (just may be) to write a opinion that can be resumed as "Microsoft vs firefox" and "Microsoft vs apple" can be a bit inflammable.
Win7, and office 2007/10 are large steps in the right direction. So are the Live downloads.
The internet is getting tough for every player and they'll have to innovate continuously without it becoming annoying (and Google is managing it so far).
I own a Mac personally, but I'm not ignorant despite that and do believe that Microsoft has done some major moves in the right direction lately. NOT really with the Windows Live services which I think are no less fragmented than Google's services and frequently come off as having a lack of vision to me (MS use to kill off or merge Live services without warning too, so I'm always a bit reluctant to using the more niched ones), BUT with Windows 7 (the direct opposite -- it feels coherent and well engineered), and also Office 2007, and even Internet Explorer 8, although in the case of IE, it has so insane amounts of standards to catch up on that it's still not quite there.
Jagulator's line about standards is really not true (IE8 supports all major !current! !standards!), but you, WatchTheSoup, shpouldn't behave just like the fanatics that you despise.
rofl i guess you never did any web development in your life.
Standards are VERY important for developpers.
That's a hell of statement.
Wrong, just wrong. I sincerely hope you are not a web developer.
hmm, do you work for microsoft? particularly one of the R&D people working on the next piece of proprietary tech?
There is also the argument that a well-designed operating system wouldn't need a mess like Symantec, or wouldn't get bogged down after long-term use. Windows doesn't clean up its junk, and I think you are well aware of all the registry cleaners and fixers that are needed out there. It's not solely Microsoft's fault, but Microsoft has done nothing to discourage developers from abusing the registry. Practically every company out there leaves garbage behind in the registry, and sometimes even as running services, even after you uninstall their app, so eventually your Windows installation becomes "bloated" or unstable.
It shouldn't be hard to maintain an OS, it should actually be impossible to screw up. You have no idea what it is like to support Windows systems in the work place, it is a real mess. Sure, they provide some great tools, but the OS has become such a huge beast, it is really hard to maintain. Plus, is very expensive.
(snipped) why is windows so hard to manage in a workplace as opposed to say mac or linux?
There's nothing really microsoft can do to stop developers doing it without rewriting the registry, and then that would mess with app compatibility.
It's the same thing with UI design. Apple has a set of published UI standards, and when developers code mac apps they follow it quite well and apps look nice. Microsoft has a set of published UI standards for windows, and when devs code for windows they seem to ignore that and make their own ui...which half the time sucks.
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but then again someone who just goes with the most popular thing without looking up other alternatives is probably also going to manage said popular thing badly...
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You are free to research this subject yourself, it is no secret. Of course, you might need to stray away from your regular sites full of like minded people, and come across a differing opinion. Of course, they must be trolls as well.
Linux has huge advantages, it is open standard bases, so very easy to get anything to connect to it.
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You are free to research this subject yourself, it is no secret. Of course, you might need to stray away from your regular sites full of like minded people, and come across a differing opinion. Of course, they must be trolls as well.
Linux has huge advantages, it is open standard bases, so very easy to get anything to connect to it.
And the cost of retraining all the staff to use linux? That costs companies a HUGE amount.
Then the cost of reprogramming any applications the company uses that won't work on linux.
And it is quite easy to get anything to connect to windows...hell theres a billion guides, windows has setup wizards for almost anything and you don't have to mess around with the terminal window, and theres also windows steady state ( http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/...ss/default.mspx )
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Remember the amount of people who complained that the vista control panel or the office 2007 ribbon was too confusing to use? When in fact both of those make things simpler by organizing stuff in a common sensical way.
And you want those same people, to switch to a completely new OS with a different way of doing things just because according to you its easier?
Most people hate change, take them away from what they're comfortable with and they will complain about it.
+1 - what the author fails to understand is that this is business. You win some you loose some.. Yes he may be right where they lost track of certain things..but that doesnt mean they were lazy!. Well. either way.. its good to have options.. Googles never gonna dominate like Microsoft does. no company will in this day and age. The age of this giant corporations dictating their own terms is over.. With technologies such as the internet and other powerful media sources. it will never be again.
It doesn't, and that's not a bad thing. Not even for Microsoft. Competition is good for the industry.
I like Windows in general, and I LOVE Windows 7. I feel no need to slag Linux or OSX just because I prefer Windows, and in fact I think Microsoft is bringing out a better product in response to stiffer competition.
I think this column represents a fair assessment.
I know, he should just focus on the positives. Lets pretend they have never done anything wrong.
You guys keep your heads buried in the sand if you want, the rest of us will not.
Part of any reasonable argument is giving a consideration to the viewpoint you are arguing against. The author is trying to question Microsoft's market strength by pointing out different fields where it seems Microsoft is falling behind. However, he fails to mention the dominance of the xbox brand. In other words, it appears that he is cherry-picking the statistics to fit with the article's slant.
that's a bit of an over exaggeration. while yes, it did not do much in terms of moving market share, it's not like they shipped a music player with no mp3 support, or missing a headphone jack. it had, and still has an amazing UI, and when they did v2 of the desktop software, it became a great tool to managing media. i bought a first gen zune (yes, i liked the brown) and just upgraded to an HD and it's a phenomenal device. it's biggest shortcoming is the browser, not in terms of how it renders, but it just doesn't have enough to it yet. it needs a better bookmarking system.but for music/video/podcasting, it can't be beat. everyone is saying it's too late to introduce it, and i almost want to agree. it should be a phone. if they made the zune hd a phone, that would be a killer device (but with a terrible name like "Zune HD Telephonic Enterprise Edition 2009"
Of course, they have rectified that with the Zune HD, but will it be just enough, too late?
er...Draft much?
Yes, draft. The standards take a /long/ time to reach "final", so it is hardly unexpected.
The web is constantly evolving, and standards take a long time to write and finish. Just because something is in draft, doesn't mean some parts of it aren't finished, and really should be getting into browsers, at least in development.
The web is constantly evolving, and standards take a long time to write and finish. Just because something is in draft, doesn't mean some parts of it aren't finished, and really should be getting into browsers, at least in development.
Now turn your brain ON.
Imagine MS does what Firefox just did.
MS launches IE9 which supports -ms-border-radius css attribute (like -moz-border-radius).
Developers write sites using this attribute.
CSS3 is finished.
Now what? There are thousands of sites using non-standard code and we're in "IE6" situation again.
The only good way id to only support !standards!. not drafts.
The web is constantly evolving, and standards take a long time to write and finish. Just because something is in draft, doesn't mean some parts of it aren't finished, and really should be getting into browsers, at least in development.
Now turn your brain ON.
Imagine MS does what Firefox just did.
MS launches IE9 which supports -ms-border-radius css attribute (like -moz-border-radius).
Developers write sites using this attribute.
CSS3 is finished.
Now what? There are thousands of sites using non-standard code and we're in "IE6" situation again.
The only good way id to only support !standards!. not drafts.
Firefox didn't "just do it".
There's little issue with including -moz-border-radius, because it's explicitly non-standard and browser specific, and awaiting a final border-radius that is coming. No other browser than Firefox/Gecko will include "-moz-border-radius".
A sensible designer will use:
-moz-border-radius, -webkit-border-radius, and border-radius
That way, when there's a final version, and browsers start to implement it, it will naturally start being used.
Some within W3C don't even like using the word "standards". CSS 2.1 was a working draft only two years ago - it's now a "Candidate Recommendation" - yes, even that's not "final". Take a look at http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#table
If you're seriously suggesting NOTHING from the standards gets implemented until it's a "Recommendation", the web would be a very strange place indeed. Browser coders implement stable parts of specs, or develop draft versions for tests. If something's in doubt, you make it browser specific, so you don't "taint" the final version.
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+1
All this talk of HTML 5 is crazy. I'm not at all shocked that IE doesn't support a "standard" that the W3C states:
"Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable".
Should we forget, HTML5 is a "Working Draft in Development":
"These are draft documents and may be updated, replaced or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use W3C working drafts as reference material or to cite them as other than "work in progress"."
Yeah, lets pretend that MS has ever cared about standards. They blew their integrity with ie6, and ie7. Everyone in the industry considers them a joke. Of course, most this will not effect how most people see them.
IE7 was about fixing the IE6 issues, and IE team don't want to break the web.
Seriously, we get that you dislike MS, and there's many reasons to hate IE6 - but the fact is, it's out there and being used. Realistically, the IE team couldn't have gone and broken the web by completely changing IE all at once. That would be worse.
A sensible designer will use:
-moz-border-radius, -webkit-border-radius, and border-radius
"Awaiting"? Are you laughing at us? "Awaiting" like all those developers that created websites that relied on IE6 specific features?
Web page taht complies with web standards should look the same in ANY browser that supports that standard. Period.
P.S. What about "embed" tag that Firefox "inherited" from Netscape? Broken XSLT? Should I use standard-compliant features that don't work in Firefox?
like goku of dragonball, he started off a a cute little kid who overcomes adversity to triumph over evil.... as he got older and power becomes more imba, he starts to irritate me....
Are you for real?
like goku of dragonball, he started off a a cute little kid who overcomes adversity to triumph over evil.... as he got older and power becomes more imba, he starts to irritate me....
I love Goku.
I think the best way to look at Microsoft is that over the past 5+ years they have been toiling away at many foundational technologies in their labs that are just now starting to emerge in consumer and business related products. Microsoft Surface, SeaDragon, Silverlight, PhotoSynth, etc....
@ caksey
What do you mean that VS hasn't made any new inroads?
Huh? The .Net platform has taken a huge market share in a relativitly short period of time. I know of a number of very large organisations that use ASP.Net - including retail online banking websites and blue-chip multinationals.
7 years is a very short time for a multi-platform development framework to take off - which it has.
VS 2008 or 2010 may not have made huge inroads compared to 2003 or 2005 - but why should they? The framework is spreading like wildfire - and introducing Silverlight will only increase the use of .Net as a framework.
Additionally you shouldn't underestimate Microsoft in the enterprise. SQL Server, SharePoint, Exchange and System Centre are all huge products. These tools, combined with the development side of things (.Net, VS, Silverlight), business systems arm (Dynamics line), Consumer and Hardware (XBox, Zune, WinMo, mice/keyboards/webcams).
And obviously the web properties (Bing is picking up market share rapidly, Windows Live, Hosted versions of Exchange and SharePoint), and finally Windows Operating Systems and the Office Suite.
If you seriously think MS are finished then you need to review the whole company...
BRB
Someone had to say it
Very interesting read, but you do have a very good point, even though now they may have a great chance to hold their dominant position well, we have no idea as to what the future holds for both Microsoft and other companies that may rise to the challenge.
Yeah like Google OS will take over the world or Apple significantly increase their market share. Google OS won't have the application base to take make much of a dent on anything, OSX has been out for how long now, if it were going to seriously compete it would have already done so.
That's not to say MS have it totally their own way as they used to but for OS's they're not much weaker than they were then, even Bing is starting to eat in to Google search dominance. So even in areas where they took their eyes off the ball they seem now to be bouncing back. Yes FF has taken a share of the browser market but does that really matter to MS when IE is free, not sure it does.
Microsoft was also always competing against bigger companies. Netscape was a smaller company, but it was working with giants like Oracle and Sun and IBM who didn't like Microsoft and wanted to take them down. At that point Oracle, Sun, Netscape and IBM spent millions lobbying congressmen trying to bring anti-trust charges, while Microsoft wasn't spending any money at all.
Microsoft was indeed a juggernaut, which won its position by sharp tactics, many of which are called unfair or monopolistic---but in many ways they were also an underdog, as they were fighting against larger companies in the industry to get ahead.
Whats changed is just that Microsoft isn't the underdog anymore, that's pretty much it imo. Thats why they became 'lazy' or have appeared to have become 'lazy'. But they'll be in the position they're in now for a long time I think.
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Yea, I remember all those people using Windows XP back in the '90s, before it was ever even conceived...
Web standard? The ****, when did HTML 5 get finalized?
Citation needed for that one. The record fashion part... I thought it took a while for Gmail do to some damage, just like firefox.
Citation needed.
I am a little confused with your article. You blast the Zune for making no impact on the market against the iPod, but you worship Mozilla for sticking with their guns and years later, seeing the results of their hard work.
Here's why your article sucks. You're focused on the past. I say this due to your one line about Zune HD. No mention of Xbox360... really... how the hell could you skip that? Also, your ignorance over what Microsoft has done since Vista... i.e. Windows 7 and its reception so far. You leave it as a question mark, but ignore all the reviews and press that Windows 7 has already gotten. You also ignored the advertising campaigns that Microsoft has begun since Apple's dominance in that arena. Microsoft has clearly stepped up it's marketing campaign.
You clearly seem to want to show Microsoft as a company that's going downard, but really... your article is about 1 or 2 years late
Since this is an editiorial, I guess I can't get too ****ed off at your tone in the article, but it really seems one sided and ignorant of pretty much anything that's happened in 2009 (at least when it comes to Microsoft's strides in a positive direction)
You last lines are true, I think the author was being ignoran of some of those facts.
Editorial or not, the writer should have addressed his points talking about the current technologies/products being made or developed by all the companies he talked about just to make it to the present day and how the perception about Microsoft, Apple, Google etc is going with the users or the media.
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Like Vista a lot will depend on implementation.
As for the editorial - it is an opinion piece, it is not supposed to consider all aspects of a company and be fair and balanced; it is one user's opinion and their perspective on things.
other than that, I think microsoft need a whole new marketing campaign like Apple did when it made its come back. "MICROSOFT! THINK DIFFERENT"
Clearly this is just mostly an end-user, sitting at home, desktop perspective of things.... (oh but he mentions 'cloud', how dare i say that).
What about the corporate world? Yes Windows 7 does and will kick ass once it hits mainstream. Where in here is there mention of Windows Server 2008 and up (R2) with the immense strides in things like IIS, GPOs, Remote Desktop Services / Terminal Services, RDP7 and their own FREE Hypervisor. What about all the work with Citrix both creating products to compliment eachothers products and to throw a little bit of fear into the VMWare camp. What about purchased technologies like App-V (SoftGrid) which they continue to improve and are amazing pieces of technology for the corporate world today. You have MED-V, the new desktop deployment technologies, PowerShell v2.... all just a few of the things Microsoft has going on in the larger corporate world.
While the few facts stated in this article may be true.... it is only a small portion of what MS has going on. Everyone has their hiccups and ups and downs. It's to be expected when you're the monster that MS is and will continue to be.
Clearly this is just mostly an end-user, sitting at home, desktop perspective of things.... (oh but he mentions 'cloud', how dare i say that).
What about the corporate world? Yes Windows 7 does and will kick ass once it hits mainstream. Where in here is there mention of Windows Server 2008 and up (R2) with the immense strides in things like IIS, GPOs, Remote Desktop Services / Terminal Services, RDP7 and their own FREE Hypervisor. What about all the work with Citrix both creating products to compliment eachothers products and to throw a little bit of fear into the VMWare camp. What about purchased technologies like App-V (SoftGrid) which they continue to improve and are amazing pieces of technology for the corporate world today. You have MED-V, the new desktop deployment technologies, PowerShell v2.... all just a few of the things Microsoft has going on in the larger corporate world.
While the few facts stated in this article may be true.... it is only a small portion of what MS has going on. Everyone has their hiccups and ups and downs. It's to be expected when you're the monster that MS is and will continue to be.
+1
Couldn't agree more
I'd like to have those kind of image problems. "Oh Tiger Woods, he only won 9 of his 10 championships this year"
Yes... Firefox, Chrome, iPhone, Google, Facebook, Flash, etc., etc. Don't forget who the innovators are and who is doing the imitating. MS is trying to play a game of catch-up. MS didn't invent any of the things you mention, they're imitations of other companies' innovations.
And if you don't think that's true, look at the results of the Google - Bing poll on the front page.
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And if you don't think that's true, look at the results of the Google - Bing poll on the front page.
What exactly is innovation in todays world? Everyone copies of everyone in order to get ahead. If windows releases a new feature, and then apple copies it...its nothing bad. If apple releases a new feature, and then microsoft copies it...it makes them a bad company.
Zune software over itunes - Zune beats it hands down.
Windows live software - Has been around for ages, just repackaged and merged together to form one big service. What exactly is this a copy of?
Windows 7 - A copy of what? Mac OS X? Before even leopard or snow leopard came to the desk, the same technologies you see in 7 were there in vista, and were there in the betas that were released long ago. Windows vista was supposed to bring about massive innovation in file systems with the WinFS but they had to "scrap" that idea due to time constraints and other factors.
Firefox - Nothing innovative about this browser, chrome and opera are way more innovative than this.
iPhone - Please...
Facebook - Facebook at one point of time was innovative...now its another myspace...and what exactly does microsoft have that competes with facebook?
Flash - Silverlight beats it hands down.
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And if you don't think that's true, look at the results of the Google - Bing poll on the front page.
Yeah, cuz Apple invented mp3 players, Mozilla invented web browsers, right?
Most ideas aren't original, they just improve on what came before them.
An editorial is an opinion piece...
And if you don't think that's true, look at the results of the Google - Bing poll on the front page.
I'm not claiming that Microsoft is the market leader in all those categories, only that because they have competition in those spaces it pushes them to be better and faster, which in turn pushes their competitiors to be better and faster. And as far as innovation goes, they're all just ultimately copying Xerox PARC. Before Chrome and Firefox, there was IE and Netscape and Opera. Wouldn't it be accurate to say that Chrome and Firefox copied the innovations of MS, Netscape and Opera to use as the base of their new products??
uhhh yea? Do we really need a novel to know this?
This kind of stuff seems to happen every once in a while.
"Microsoft in that same month dropped below 90%"
My God..they dropped below.....90%!!! All Hell is gonna break loose.
2 releases? Are you even a windows beta tester? Don't talk about things you have absolutely no idea about. For example:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%...d&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
I can count 9 builds in the first page only, and theres a hell lot more than that.
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They've kept a pretty tight lid on it, and so far they've gotten pretty much universally good buzz for it. Sounds like a successful community promotion to me.
No Surface mention.....Guess the good things arent mentioned.
This is nice and all that but front page? Please
Please post a Apple article just like this. I want to hear about the iPod/iTouch, the iMac, the ads, and how in the 80-90s Apple had PCs in alot of schools. Because AFAIK that is pretty much all Apple has done.
Please post a Apple article just like this.
I don't see why. What's Apple got to do with this anyway?
Quick answer: it's entirely up to the staff of Neowin. And this isn't a "contest" between Apple and MS.
MS is a huge company with many different products over the years. Naturally this editorial couldn't cover it all. After all, people write entire books about this stuff.
Please post a Apple article just like this.
I don't see why. What's Apple got to do with this anyway?
MS is a huge company with many different products over the years. Naturally this editorial couldn't cover it all. After all, people write entire books about this stuff.
Fine by me. Doesnt have to be Apple. IBM, Sun, etc any other company. But a article written the same exact way as this one...
Where oh where is the "filter out editorials" option for this blog?
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/rant
It's coming. But for goodness sake, it's an editorial - an opinion piece.
Just learn to cope when people have different opinions to you.
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