Windows 7 SP1 details begin to surface

With Windows 7 out the door we already know Microsoft immediately starts work on the servicing of Windows 7. Engineers are now hard at work at creating hot fixes for application compatibility and ironing out any bug reports they receive. The same process occurs for every version of Windows once it has been classed released to manufacturing (RTM).

Notorious for leaking Windows 7 builds during the beta phase, Wzor has provided some early information on the Windows 7 SP1 beta. According to Wzor a beta of Windows 7 SP1 will be released in January 2010 and the schedule is two beta releases and two release candidate releases. Wzor believes SP1 will be ready for OEMs during the Summer months (June/July/August) of 2010 with end users applying the update in the Autumn (September/October/November).

Wzor has released an image of what it claims to be an internal folder structure for the SP1 builds of Windows 7. If Wzor's reports are accurate then we could see a beta of Windows 7 SP1 debut to the public around the same time as CES next year.


Image credit: Wzor. Thanks to Shayla for the news tip.

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My Win7 pro has been absolutely perfect since Day 0, except for one oddity: ever so often, the entire OS will go "dumb" for about a minute. I can still click on the taskbar icons, but I can't minimize any windows or control any programs. No HDD activity when this happens, and it seems to happen randomly. Not really a big bugger, just an odd quirk I guess.

I like Windows 7 and I have no major issues with the stability. Service packs are meant for servicing the current code with all of the current updates and new hardware that has come out after the RTM.

A few issues that i would like to see fixed would be the renaming bug. I move a lot of files around in explorer and have to rename them. I notice that about 1 out of 3 files after i rename it will tell me that the files is open in another program and windows can't rename it. I actually will have to close explorer and open it again to get it to change and sometimes that don't work. I'm thinking it might have something to do with the indexer.
Also with Media player 12 quits responding for a few minutes every time I open it while it is looking for my music. Super slow and annoying. I don't use it as I have another program that handles my music better but I use it sometimes to preview videos or music. I can work around that by not having it scan my music but i shouldn't have to work around things with my software it should just work.

anyone using a laptop? anyone getting Blue screens of death at some point AFTER you close your laptop? strange but it is consistent. any ideas? I set "turn my screen off" to "never"

I had that problem and it ended up being hardware, Dell replaced the computer (I kept the same hard drive, same Windows installation) and it fixed the problem.

Only things with Win 7 I find that need improving, is the picture viewer, which seems too buggy to me, pictures load slower than with XP. And the full screen slideshow viewer should have controls for it. At least a damn CLOSE button, lol. Well the controls should show when you ove the mouse, like WMP 12.
Other than that, Win 7 is perfect, although I love getting updates, so I'm looking forward to SP1 and hope it comes out real soon, any day now would be sweet, lol.

Without wanting to start a bashing war. When Snow leopard was released and patches were released the whole community jumped all over the mac etc about the fact there were a few flaws that were being patched. When windows 7 rc1 was released updates were common palce. Now only barely with windows 7 out the doors theres talk of a service patch?

So without wanting to start a flame war and wanting some reasoned debate with this article being posted why is there no furor like before

(yes i know that by posting this i might be accused of flaming , fanboism or something but thats not the point of this post)

Patches are a fact of life for any software. I think the only reason why Windows people jump all over Apple when they patch a security vulnerability just because Apple's PR message is that "we don't have those problems."

I'm glad to see that Microsoft is already at work on SP1. I like 7, but there's never nothing you can do to improve software... I'm curious to see what SP1 brings (Though I'm not expecting anything huge).

Since large companies generally wait until SP1 comes out to adopt a new OS, it makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to try to push this out as soon as they can...

I'm not surprised by this at all to be honest, RTM has a lot of bugs which need resolving some annoying others just patch work and mascara, so to speak mind.

there was rumors back for i think build 7141, of a feature list, it was nothing major, just some small useful tweaks, they might do those, since thats what the rumors said, but then once again idk if all rumors are to be believed.

but ya Windows 7 is pretty good, it be good to make it even better

Current latest build available is 7600.20510.amd64fre.win7_ldr.090819-1503, how does that correspond with the builds shown?

MICROSOFT!! Please Give Back These 3 Removed Features of Windows 7:

1- Old XP classic start menu
2- Ability to disable folder auto arrange
3- Animated tray icon of network activity

For God's Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

veternan said,
MICROSOFT!! Please Give Back These 3 Removed Features of Windows 7:

1- Old XP classic start menu
2- Ability to disable folder auto arrange
3- Animated tray icon of network activity

For God's Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Don't be so silly.

People still want the old classic menu? I mean, I don't even go through the programs list in the current start menu at all. I normally just winkey and start typing the app I want out, then hit enter. Way faster than going through the old menu and digging through the folder structure.

#3 would be nice though. But I can live without it as well.



Asking for the old start menu is like asking for the old Program Manager from Windows 3.1, people need to get over it and learn the new one. Now the folder auto arrange thing I agree with; having files jump away from me and disappear like that is incredibly annoying.

The animated tray icon, can't say I see any point in it myself. The nice thing about routers is they have these handy activity lights on the front that are far more accurate than the ones in the system tray ever were. You say you don't have a router with all those geeky lights blinking all the time? Shame on you.

RangerLG said,
You forgot to ask to bring back .ini files, config.sys, and autoexec.bat.

I lol'd. The "classic" people get on my nerves.

testman said,

Don't be so silly.

Yeah you're right, who cares?!!

Anyway, I'm an old fashioned guy and those are my opinions(don't blame me)... hope #2 will be fix in SP1 at least!!

The network tray icon was really a joke and I don't miss it at all. It had such a huge delay that the information it displayed was nearly useless. If it was true realy-time information like a network activity light on a NIC that would be cool, but it just wasn't.

I don't mind the blinking lights, but some way of quickly getting to a network adapter(s) status window would be handy, going through the network and sharing center on a slow laptop is a bit of a pain when all you need to do is change an IP address.

Yes 7 was just released but MS works on improvements and fixes right away and has always done so. Nothing is perfect and if anyone thinks so, they are delusional.

LoveThePenguin said,
I wonder if it will fix the slower than vista boot times, and the 330% degradation?

I wonder if Linux distros will fix the bloat they include, and the 637.3% degradation?

LoveThePenguin said,
I wonder if it will fix the slower than vista boot times, and the 330% degradation?

I'm still wondering if you are going to source these statistics.

LoveThePenguin said,
I wonder if it will fix the slower than vista boot times, and the 330% degradation?

I wonder if it will fix annoying Linux fans posting blatant lies in Windows topics.

Jebadiah said,
I wonder if Linux distros will fix the bloat they include, and the 637.3% degradation?


I haven't seen this at all. I would say that Windows 7 is no faster booting than Vista but no slower either. Honestly Vista/7 seem a little slower booting than a clean XP install, but XP would get bogged down once you started installing things, Vista seems to handle that much better and works pretty well even after you install everything.

sphbecker said,
I haven't seen this at all. I would say that Windows 7 is no faster booting than Vista but no slower either. Honestly Vista/7 seem a little slower booting than a clean XP install, but XP would get bogged down once you started installing things, Vista seems to handle that much better and works pretty well even after you install everything.

Windows 7 boots faster than either XP or Vista on my machine.

MistaT40 said,
Good to see they are working on improving a product that is pretty darn good already.

that's the attitude i wanted to see in the first place

You reckon when writing articles you could use Q1,Q2,Q3,Q4. Not everyone uses the seasons, and not everyone shares seasons.

Going by month would be best, but since we don't have any real idea of what date we'll get, it's best to just go with a more broad yet general idea for now.

Tom W said,
Not everyone uses the same Q1/2/3/4 either, there is financial years and calendar years.


Then use months. Something everyone can relate to.

That's probably why he pointed out they *always* start out with the service pack after the RTM. Guess what? RTM was in July, so it isn't a year after RTM. Since it comes out next Fall, it would be more than a year after Windows 7 RTMed.

This isn't early. Also, they want people including companies/schools using Windows 7, and they know they usually wait until the first service pack. So they want to get Windows 7 SP1 out quickly so people start using it real quickly. We're all tired of Windows XP, we want everybody off it.

New features??? Let's look at the name, it is a "service" pack. Service being the key word here. In the case of Windows NT 4.0 they released both service packs and a few feature packs that added functionality such as IIS. Other than Windows XP SP2 service packs do not add new features. They will typically enhance hardware support for new standards but that is about it. Adding support for USB 3.0 and perhaps any new BlueTooth profiles released, things like that.

Windows 7 at the time of RTM was considered 80% feature complete. I'm sure come CES next year, the service pack will add that 20% of features that didn't get implemented, and things that users are complaining about, like for example the explorer.exe having images embedded for theming, and not in the mssstyles file. The only thing that so far bothers me with 7 is the theming.

Wait, where did they say this? I'm pretty sure it's mostly feature complete. When was explorer going to have images embedded? Theming is not supported officially..

Anarkii said,
Windows 7 at the time of RTM was considered 80% feature complete . . .

Actually, Microsoft considered Windows 7 to be fully feature complete when they released the public beta.

That still doesn't leave out the possibility that some features where delayed till the next version or cut from 7 early because they couldn't make the deadline. I'm not saying we'll see big new features in SP1, probably just smaller tweaks that people have been asking for.

Anarkii said,
Windows 7 at the time of RTM was considered 80% feature complete. I'm sure come CES next year, the service pack will add that 20% of features that didn't get implemented, and things that users are complaining about, like for example the explorer.exe having images embedded for theming, and not in the mssstyles file. The only thing that so far bothers me with 7 is the theming.

Why would Microsoft care about how they internally package the themes as a feature? They don't want you skinning their operating system.

DJGM said,
Actually, Microsoft considered Windows 7 to be fully feature complete when they released the public beta.

Sort of. When it was released as a public beta, it was feature complete in the sense that it had all the features that would be included in the final....but not necessarily all the features they intended to include when they first started work on the OS. Some were dropped for various reasons (time, cost, technical issues). The feature that turns a Win7 machine into a virtual hotspot is one example.

that made me laugh
i thought 7 was supposed to be near perfect, isnt it a bit too early for a sp1? even an year away seems too soon

kolp said,
that made me laugh
i thought 7 was supposed to be near perfect, isnt it a bit too early for a sp1? even an year away seems too soon


near perfect still implies that it isn't perfect, therefore there is work to be improved upon.

How is it ever "too early" or "too soon" to release a service pack? I won't care if they release one tomorrow. More work for them, yet better experiance for me.

Btw, which of the following makes you laugh more:
Windows is software.
Software has bugs.
Software developers usually like fixing bugs.
?

Avi said,
How is it ever "too early" or "too soon" to release a service pack? I won't care if they release one tomorrow. More work for them, yet better experiance for me.

Btw, which of the following makes you laugh more:
Windows is software.
Software has bugs.
Software developers usually like fixing bugs.
?


Alot of corporates will wait for SP1, so better to rush it out really.

Owenw said,

Alot of corporates will wait for SP1, so better to rush it out really.

i was just gonna say the same thing, SP1 speeds up adoption of Win7 in the enterprise.

Well, If they stick to a new windows version every 2 years like they did now with Vista to 7, then a SP one year out from RTM makes perfect sense.

I think we can see one around this time next year, and then when win8 is RTM'd or w/e, we'll finally get a SP2 for win7. Same thing happened with Vista, SP2 came out after win7 rtmed etc.

I think the same cycle will start to repeat itself from now on. Enterprise has no real reason to wait for Win7 SP1, since the RTM is very solid as it stands.

GP007 said,
Well, If they stick to a new windows version every 2 years like they did now with Vista to 7, then a SP one year out from RTM makes perfect sense.

I think we can see one around this time next year, and then when win8 is RTM'd or w/e, we'll finally get a SP2 for win7. Same thing happened with Vista, SP2 came out after win7 rtmed etc.

I think the same cycle will start to repeat itself from now on. Enterprise has no real reason to wait for Win7 SP1, since the RTM is very solid as it stands.

Windows Vista RTM'd November 2006, Windows 7 RTM'd July 2009 - that's almost 3 years, not 2... and Vista SP2 came out before Windows 7 went to RTM.

Frankly, if they don't bring down their prices, a two year update cycle won't be feasible for most users... there are already a lot of users that feel like Windows 7 should have been a free upgrade released in the form of a service pack for Vista users.

As for Enterprise, they will wait for the software to prove itself which is typically going to take 12+ months before they'll consider upgrading, so a Service Pack in that time frame would be beneficial.

kolp said,
that made me laugh
i thought 7 was supposed to be near perfect, isnt it a bit too early for a sp1? even an year away seems too soon

Gartner Research in the past has issued "wait" till Sp1 for both XP and Vista, since Windows 7 uses the same driver model, and the core is the similar as the now fixed/patched/updated version of Vista and has very similar compatibility with software, they actually said go ahead and you don't have to wait till Sp1 if your thinking of upgrading.

I think that it'll mostly just be a roll up of updates and the like and not really something like sp2 for XP or SP1 for Vista.

It probably won't be, I don't think we'll see any new features, though they could toss in something that they didn't have time to finish for RTM. You never know.

Aside from that, just the normal SP stuff, patches and any performance/compatibility updates.

prehaps they will give us back the network activity icons that were in XP. its been a requested item during the rc and beta stages but did they listen.. ?!?!

i dont care about anything in win 7, other than the nasty Winsxs folder.

its keep gettin bigger by the minute!!!

so how can a person get rid of this annoying big fat peskiness?

GP007 said,
It probably won't be, I don't think we'll see any new features, though they could toss in something that they didn't have time to finish for RTM. You never know.

Aside from that, just the normal SP stuff, patches and any performance/compatibility updates.


like WINFS from Vista, right?:)

ArmedMonkey said,



like WINFS from Vista, right?:)


Haha, now that'd be a blast. But well Vista SP2 did bring with it a update to the indexer iirc. Who knows what little features weren't ready in time for Win7 and got pushed back (probably for win8).

R1pper said,
i dont care about anything in win 7, other than the nasty Winsxs folder.
its keep gettin bigger by the minute!!!
so how can a person get rid of this annoying big fat peskiness?

Those "knows it all" illiterates like R1pper are like plague. Can't we get rid of such annoying fat peskiness somehow? I'd like to live in the world where people EITHER know what they are doing OR (else) mind their own business.

Foub said,
I think that it'll mostly just be a roll up of updates and the like and not really something like sp2 for XP or SP1 for Vista.


Yes XP SP2 was very different because of all the features it added. Vista SP1 was a typical service pack, a collecitons of bug fixes to date, expect Windows 7's SP1 to be about the same.

That is exactly what it will be and what a SP is only ever intended to be. XP SP2 was a freak occurrence because MS screwed up with Vista and needed to release something to keep the ageing XP fresh while they got their act together with Vista. Now MS are on the ball, SPs will only be a roll up of updates and a new OS will be released every ~3 years, as it was intended.

Are people still going on about WinFS? it's dead people! get over it, it's not coming back!!

xSuRgEx said,
prehaps they will give us back the network activity icons that were in XP. its been a requested item during the rc and beta stages but did they listen.. ?!?!

Yea, I was looking for that option!!

Xerxes said,
That is exactly what it will be and what a SP is only ever intended to be. XP SP2 was a freak occurrence because MS screwed up with Vista and needed to release something to keep the ageing XP fresh while they got their act together with Vista. Now MS are on the ball, SPs will only be a roll up of updates and a new OS will be released every ~3 years, as it was intended.

Are people still going on about WinFS? it's dead people! get over it, it's not coming back!!


"That is exactly what it will be and what a SP is only ever intended to be. XP SP2 was a freak occurrence because MS screwed up with Vista and needed to release something to keep the ageing XP fresh while they got their act together with Vista."

Windows XP SP2 Release Date: August 6, 2004
Windows Vista Release date: January 30, 2007

Can we please move past the Vista-bashing/disinformation.

Atlonite said,
i think he may have ment SP3 for winXP

Yeah, but it still wouldn't make any sense, because SP3 wasn't the one packed with fresh features. That only applied to SP2.

Xerxes said,
That is exactly what it will be and what a SP is only ever intended to be. XP SP2 was a freak occurrence because MS screwed up with Vista and needed to release something to keep the ageing XP fresh while they got their act together with Vista. Now MS are on the ball, SPs will only be a roll up of updates and a new OS will be released every ~3 years, as it was intended.

Are people still going on about WinFS? it's dead people! get over it, it's not coming back!!


actually no. that was SP3

SP2 was released long before the Longhorn betas