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EU embraces "Internet Freedom"

Brad Sams   on 06 November 2009 - 14:07 · 30 comments & 4393 views

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The EU took a big step forward last night and approved a measure to ensure "internet freedom" would remain and that individuals would not have their internet cutoff unjustly.

The Internet freedom provision, which was part of a massive telecommunications package, was approved late last night after France determined that its own HADOPI law assumed guilt rather than innocence.

The passage still allows for countries to adopt a three strike policy but "must presume innocence, guard privacy, and allow for judicial appeal". This differs from previous policies that gave EU governments the full ability to cut off ones internet with little chance for appeal. The provision states that all countries must assume innocence until proven guilty rather than guilty until proven innocent.

The passage is key to keeping the internet fair and open, while those who do not pirate will be safe guarded but for those who do, they can still be brought to justice.

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#1 emzino on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:14
Step in the right direction
(3 replies) #2 Ricksterm on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:15
This is good (ish) news but I bet the UK Government still gets their way around it... they seem to be able to opt-out of other stuff.
#2.1 andrew_f on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:27
Yes, but we shouldn't be able to opt-out. It's ridiculous - it's like Kent asking to opt-out of UK laws.
#2.2 Ricksterm on 06 Nov 2009 - 15:37
andrew_f said,
Yes, but we shouldn't be able to opt-out. It's ridiculous - it's like Kent asking to opt-out of UK laws.


Very True, It's always been one rule for us (The UK) and one rule for the rest of Europe, just because our Government like to opt out of things. IT should be stopped. The UK government act so 'for' the EU but then like to do what the H*** they like.
#2.3 phatfish on 06 Nov 2009 - 21:06
Don't worry the UK will alienate its self so much in the next decade it will become more and more irrelevant in European politics. Lets face it, we were pretty ****ing close to becoming Iceland in this financial crisis. Nothing is changing in The City and the next one will take the UK economy out completely.

Having burnt bridges with the rest of the EU i cant see many countries willing to bail us out when we are not able to anymore ourselves.

Of course that's not much help if you are British, just make sure you have somewhere to escape to
(1 reply) #3 Tom W on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:30
Hopefully the UK government doesn't adopt the 3 strike policy either!
#3.1 vanx on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:36
Tom W said,
Hopefully the UK government doesn't adopt the 3 strike policy either!
They wouldn't have been able to if an agreement was made to make access to the Internet a fundamental right, like a certain Scandinavian country did just recently. Alas, having access to Internet is not a fundamental right because apparently it was done "to win agreement on new telecoms competition laws".
(4 replies) #4 cabron on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:36
This law should be adopt in the United States

Last edited by cabron on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:49
#4.1 iamwhoiam on 06 Nov 2009 - 15:14
Not a chance in hell. There's too much lobbying going on to be sensible. The good 'ol U.S.A isn't for the people and by the people any more. It's about the corporations that pull the stings on the puppets in Washington.
#4.2 +dead.cell on 06 Nov 2009 - 15:28
Haven't you paid attention lately? The U.S. is apparently moving backwards entirely, with that supposed document that leaked.
#4.3 TRC on 06 Nov 2009 - 19:05
It will come down to who has the bigger pockets. The RIAA or all the ISPs.
#4.4 Foub on 07 Nov 2009 - 17:59
iamwhoiam said,
Not a chance in hell. There's too much lobbying going on to be sensible. The good 'ol U.S.A isn't for the people and by the people any more. It's about the corporations that pull the stings on the puppets in Washington.



It never was for the people, unless you're a WASP........ The USA was never a democracy. The founding fathers didn't want to give that much power to the people so they chose a republic instead... Canada is a democracy and see just how different the quality of life is between the two..... Ours is much higher.
(1 reply) #5 leesmithg on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:43
French laws are always guilty till you prove being innocent.

Britian has the innocent to proven guilty.

This will end up becoming a spying mission.

If the E.U. want to improve the net, how about they bring in a law that everyone can have a minimum access (download) speed of 5 mb-1.

#5.1 vanx on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:50
leesmithg said,
If the E.U. want to improve the net, how about they bring in a law that everyone can have a minimum access (download) speed of 5 mb-1.
And who's going to subsidise this? Many regions in countries in the EU have locations that have challenging from a geographical point of view. North of Scotland, Alpine regions of Switzerland, Italy and Austria, many an island that lie between the Black Sea and Cyprus to name but a few. I don't think incentives through tax breaks for telcos will be enough.
(2 replies) #6 DomZ on 06 Nov 2009 - 14:52
It's all this nonsense lately which is why we should all vote for the Pirate Party. At least they will fight for our rights rather than these old politicians who seem to have only corporations interests at heart.

Good for the EU to do something worthwhile as well, rather than this browser ballot joke
#6.1 Julius Caro on 06 Nov 2009 - 15:03
DomZ said,
It's all this nonsense lately which is why we should all vote for the Pirate Party. At least they will fight for our rights rather than these old politicians who seem to have only corporations interests at heart.

Good for the EU to do something worthwhile as well, rather than this browser ballot joke


browser ballot was microsoft's idea
#6.2 DomZ on 06 Nov 2009 - 15:10
Brought about because the EU were imposing themselves after Opera complained...
#7 Julius Caro on 06 Nov 2009 - 15:03
wtf?? it's all over the news that EU governments can cut off somebody's internet without a court order now. Well, wording it correctly, the EU is not against governments changing the laws so that a government agency rather than a court order can be used to cut off people's internet.
#8 Crompee on 06 Nov 2009 - 16:09
This agreement originally stated that the 'three strikes' policy was illegal and no-one can be cut of the internet. However, alot of countrys said no to it.. so they changed the wording which still allows the 3 strikes policy to go ahead. It also only states that there needs to be an impartial process to get your internet cut off.. however, there are no restrictions on that process... It could just be a man in an office saying "yes to everyone suspected".
#9 ThePitt on 06 Nov 2009 - 16:19
Take that US...
#10 C_Guy on 06 Nov 2009 - 16:23
The provision states that all countries must assume innocence until proven guilty rather than guilty until proven innocent.

That's the way it should be as long as pirates are still subject to a 3-strike rule.
#11 -Vivicidal- on 06 Nov 2009 - 16:53
Another thumbs up for Europe!
#12 dpcdpc11 on 06 Nov 2009 - 19:51
thumbs up my ass... some freedom this is!
(1 reply) #13 Master1 on 06 Nov 2009 - 19:52
YOU KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION TO PIRACY IS ITS SIMPLE

1. SELL YOUR SOFTWARE AT A REASONABLE PRICE
2. HAVE FULL FEATURED TRIALS SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY TRY OUT THE SOFTWARE
3. GET RID OF ALL THIS LEGAL CRAP

problem solved
#13.1 The Teej on 07 Nov 2009 - 12:59
Master1 said,
YOU KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION TO PIRACY IS ITS SIMPLE

1. SELL YOUR SOFTWARE AT A REASONABLE PRICE
2. HAVE FULL FEATURED TRIALS SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY TRY OUT THE SOFTWARE
3. GET RID OF ALL THIS LEGAL CRAP

problem solved


PC Games have tried this for years and still failed. People who want free stuff will simply pirate, there's no point in trying to win them over.
#14 insanelyapple on 06 Nov 2009 - 19:54
yeah, right... internet freedom; prime minister of poland, donald tusk after meeting with president n. sarkozy wants to create blacklist of dangerous sites... oh, and thers ACTA meeting in south korea.

so yes, we can talk about internet freedom buahaha...
#15 taintedc0bra on 06 Nov 2009 - 20:34
Eropean Union is a joke, this is a little off topic, but none the less, still a joke, Croatia was a decomcratic society before all surrounding nations around it. Yet they are still denied access into the European Union, Solvenija, Srbija, and such surround countries still fight to keep out Croatia. What a joke... I don't support anything the European Union says or does, they've setback democracy 20 years with there idealistic bull****.

European Union has about as much precedent at NATO (North American Terrorist Organization).
#16 toadeater on 06 Nov 2009 - 22:38
Governments hate freedom. And yes, that includes the US government.

The only "freedom" the US spreads is the freedom of US corporations to plunder the rest of the world.
#17 SirDoan on 06 Nov 2009 - 23:01
Hoo Ray
#18 tom5 on 07 Nov 2009 - 06:59
...and this also differs from previous policies that said court order is needed to cut-off users from the Internet. So this whole paragraph is pure propaganda for me.

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