Windows 8 planning and preparation underway

According to a job posting on Microsoft's career site, Windows 8 planning and preparation is currently taking place.

The job posting, spotted by enthusiast site CodenameWindows, hints at third-party application updating, updating virtual machines while they're turned off and delivering full applications, among others. Microsoft admits in the posting that updating virtual machines whilst they are off "turns out this is pretty hard!." The job is for a role on the Windows Update Client team, responsible for delivering software updates to over 600 million machines.

"As part of this team, you will help shape Windows 8. Components of our code include a core agent that runs as an NT service, an API layer and a UI application. We talk to the update servers using web services and we have special protocols in place to deal with the massive scale of the system" notes the job listing.

With Windows 7 out of the door, work is now starting on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8. Expect to see more and more hints at what's to come over the coming months.

Thanks to Shayla for the news tip

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Why would they want to reinvent the wheel for 8? I personally think that, The 7 kernel works just fine. It seems to have garnered great reviews so why not base 8 off of 7? When's the projected Win 8 release? I suppose 2-3 years from now..

I believe the plan was to release an OS every 3 years now. As for it being based on 7, I'm sure that it will be. It's a solid OS, and the team working on 8 just wrapped it and knows it's ins and outs... Plus, I believe they made a comment when the code forked...

hmmm i wonder if they will give us a new UI for windows 8.. I seriously dnt know if they could ever go away from this whole glass aero thingy they got going on right now..

64 bit only !!! Don't even waste time attempting to push out a 32 bit .. (at least) by release time, everyone should be up to a 64 bit OS!

Don't be frightened by 32-bit! Having it on the shelves doesn't take away from your 64-bit experience now does it?

C_Guy said,
Don't be frightened by 32-bit! Having it on the shelves doesn't take away from your 64-bit experience now does it?

why is the transition so rocky??? i don't get it..
plus i don't like the fact that current netbooks have 32bit only CPUs, although that'll change, i hope, soon.

Yeah, like how Windows Server is 64 bit only now.
I was disappointed how they were only giving away 32 bit Windows at those "new efficiency" events.

C_Guy said,
Don't be frightened by 32-bit! Having it on the shelves doesn't take away from your 64-bit experience now does it?

No, but that's not the point. The point is to evolve computing and by sticking with 32bit hardware/software not a whole lot of advancements are being made.
Besides, alot of today's current *ware can handle the 64bit architecture and by the time the next new OS comes out that's all developing companies should be concerned with.

ipodman715 said,
Yeah, like how Windows Server is 64 bit only now.
I was disappointed how they were only giving away 32 bit Windows at those "new efficiency" events. :(

Indeed, I think the fact that Server 2003 R2 is 64-bit exclusively is a big pointer that the next client OS will also be 64-bit exclusively. Think about it, by the time Windows 8 is released EVERY computer sold will have more than 3GB of RAM.

You know that even though you only got a 32-bit disc, the license works for both right? I went on BT and had a 64-bit RTM disc in about an hour and was set to go =)

vaximily said,

You know that even though you only got a 32-bit disc, the license works for both right? I went on BT and had a 64-bit RTM disc in about an hour and was set to go =)

The key does work? Darnit, I filled out some form requesting the 64 bit disc and they said it could take 2 months

ipodman715 said,
The key does work? Darnit, I filled out some form requesting the 64 bit disc and they said it could take 2 months :(

hah, yeah I'm surprised they even let you do that, it must have been all the bitching from ****ed off people who felt like MS was misleading about their events (and truly they were, the one's for Office 2007 were a lot better).

But yeah, the Disc and Licese you got at The New Efficiency are retail (just like you'd buy from the store), they just didn't put the second disc in our packages like they do for retail.

Still, it's nice to have a factory pressed 64-bit copy, I hate having to burn a DVD every time I reinstall because the previous burn has already degraded so far that files are corrupted.

The MSFTKitchen blog has already posted numerous articles like this, with job resumes, etc. Many have worked at least in the design stage of Windows 8 since months back.

Rolando said,
Didn't they just fire 800 employees?

All companies purge bureaucrats at some stage when the boat gets full. It doesn't mean cutting out key people that do actual work on software, just the managers overseers boss's boss people.

Umm, hate to break it to you neowin but MS are already working on 8 - the build for it forked some time ago in fact. MS doesn't simply stop working on it's main OS build for a few months after RTM. Y'all heard of branching code, right?

;)

Well, hope it starts to leak soon. I wish to try it. But the problem is it will be a heavier OS for the computer to use it. I'll just create a separate partition and give it a shot when in Beta

Jose_49 said,
Well, hope it starts to leak soon. I wish to try it. But the problem is it will be a heavier OS for the computer to use it. I'll just create a separate partition and give it a shot when in Beta

yea right.. birst beta maybe in mid 2011??

GetUsed2It said,
yea right.. birst beta maybe in mid 2011??

... official Beta probably won't be till 2012 is my guess... but anybody that knows about the "black market" of the internet knows that alpha versions are leaked years before launch. I was running incredibly early builds of Vista (then called Longhorn) just a year or so after XP came out... the installer still said Windows XP Pro in fact!

I hope, despite Windows 7, that MS focus on optimization also this time. It can still be better, not that I'm complaining.

iamwhoiam said,
Hopefully the idiots that made Explorer will be replaced with those that can do a better job.

i want column view in explorer! and the 'spacebar' [pre]viewer! i love that about OSX

Huh? it'll be kernel version 8. Win7 is kernel version 7 (it just reports 6.1 for compatibility reasons) only Vista is kernel version 6.

veternan said,
Where? When? I want to know!

This discussion has been done to death. Windows 7 is kernel version 7 but reports 6.1 for app-compat reasons. Google it. End of discussion.

TCLN Ryster said,
This discussion has been done to death. Windows 7 is kernel version 7 but reports 6.1 for app-compat reasons. Google it. End of discussion.

You guys buy into the marketing stuff too much. MS can say whatever they want; the truth is that Windows 7 had a minor kernel update from version 6.0. Compatibility??? Come on! How many apps are still around that query the OS version and outright refuse to run? That is Windows 3.1 era programming.

All I need to know can be seen by comparing the Windows Server and Desktop versions.
Windows Server 2008 and Windows Vista use kernel version 6.0
Windows Server 2008 R2 was a minor revision as the name implies and uses kernel version 6.1.
Windows 7 uses that same kernel (MS has said this publicly), but somehow Windows 7 is magically different?? Come on!!
Anyone who has really gotten into the systems can see that Windows Vista and Windows 7 are practically the same OS but with some nice tweaks and enhancements. The whole version 7 thing was just a marketing decision, MS needed to give Vista a public execution to move past all the bad press. The last thing they wanted was for people to start saying that their new OS was just Vista with a new taskbar.

I agree with what they did. Vista had a bad rep that MS was never going to live down. Windows 2000 had even more problems that Vista when it came out but for some reason no one seemed to care--I guess because it was rare to see it on a home computer. Windows XP came along after all the Win2k driver issues where worked out and looked great. Windows 7 is to Vista as XP was to 2000. End of Story.

sphbecker said,
Compatibility??? Come on! How many apps are still around that query the OS version and outright refuse to run? That is Windows 3.1 era programming.


HP printer driver setup does. Even with MS using 6.1 as the OS version, when I went to install my HP printer drivers on Windows 7 it said I needed Windows XP or Vista. I was able to get it to work by running in Vista compatibility mode, but it was annoying, and poor coding on HP's part.

TCLN Ryster said,
This discussion has been done to death. Windows 7 is kernel version 7 but reports 6.1 for app-compat reasons. Google it. End of discussion.

:D LOL : ))) agree

sphbecker said,
Compatibility??? Come on! How many apps are still around that query the OS version and outright refuse to run? That is Windows 3.1 era programming.

There are a large number of updated APIs, some with breaking changes between XP and Vista. Making a stupid call like OSVersion.Version.Major == 6 instead of >= 6, then inadvertently calling an XP-era API that is no longer functional can cause an app to break.

Or if an app wants to make different considerations based on security.

sphbecker said,
Windows 7 is to Vista as XP was to 2000. End of Story.

Let me correct you.. Windows 7 is to Vista as XP PRO was to 2000 Pro.

Windows XP Home Edition was a piece of ****. When I was in MCP classes the first trouble-shooting technique they taught was "If the computer is running Windows XP Home, have the user purchase and upgrade to Windows XP Professional".

It actually shocks me that XP Home didn't get the bad wrap that Vista got... 2000 was pretty good out the door, and amazing after the first service pack (in comparison to NT / 98), XP Home was crap until the day it died.

vaximily said,
Let me correct you.. Windows 7 is to Vista as XP PRO was to 2000 Pro.

Windows XP Home Edition was a piece of ****. When I was in MCP classes the first trouble-shooting technique they taught was "If the computer is running Windows XP Home, have the user purchase and upgrade to Windows XP Professional".

It actually shocks me that XP Home didn't get the bad wrap that Vista got... 2000 was pretty good out the door, and amazing after the first service pack (in comparison to NT / 98), XP Home was crap until the day it died.

Wow, don't know what XP Home edition you used because it wasn't the version released on this planet. It was the exact same OS but with a few features removed... Yes, XP Home was the upgrade path from Windows 98 and ME, but it was no more or less like Windows ME than XP Pro was. They were the EXACT same OS. If someone had a problem with XP Home all they needed to do was reinstall it. Buying XP Pro would be completely pointless unless they wanted some of the features XP Home didn̢۪t offer.

XP was/is the version that the majority of personal computer have been running for the last 8 years!! MS removed the words “home edition” from the splash screen with SP2 but it was still the same OS. Seriously, go check the version information on personal computers you run across still running Windows XP. They will in almost every case either be running Windows Media Center edition (which was a late comer to the XP line-up) or Home Edition. It is the exception to find someone who paid the extra $60-100 to get XP Pro when it really doesn’t offer anything more someone might need on a home computer.

EDIT: Now that I think about it I do remember hearing a lot of problems with users who did an in-place upgrade from 98 or ME to XP (Home or Pro). In those cases they needed to do a clean install to correct the issues. Maybe that is what you where thinking of...

I sure hope the update team can work it out so installing the majority of patches for windows 8 doesn't need a restart, please!

Not that restarting once a month is a pain exactly, but still, it's why I hold off on installing updates right when they show up.

GP007 said,
I sure hope the update team can work it out so installing the majority of patches for windows 8 doesn't need a restart, please!


Windows 8 will never see the light of day. Dos 7 was the last Dos, Windows 7 will be the last Windows!

Maybe the next "platform" will be called Cloud. I'd suggest they drop the numbers and call the versions by colour. "Cloud Black" would be a fitting first cut

It's not like they force you to reboot. In fact automatic updates downloads them, then installs them when you shut down by default (unless you PC is on at 03:00 which is the default time they are scheduled to install)

I have noticed that Windows Vista/7 fewer updates require a restart, but people who use Auto Update would never notice because updates that do not require a restart get installed without the user ever knowing...then again it always seems like at least one update out of the pack does, so it doesn't matter if the other 5 don't, your computer is still going to restart.

TCLN Ryster said,
It's not like they force you to reboot. In fact automatic updates downloads them, then installs them when you shut down by default (unless you PC is on at 03:00 which is the default time they are scheduled to install)

yeah, but i never shut down my pc, i always put it to hibernate, plus often i am awake at 3am or whenever, and when it DOES install, then it simply starts bugging me about the restarts and the postpones. so i always end up disabling automatic W.U.
If windows can install (update) a graphics card on the go, why cant it install EVERYTHING without any restarts. i don't want to have to log off either..

dvb2000 said,
Windows 8 will never see the light of day. Dos 7 was the last Dos, Windows 7 will be the last Windows!

The last standalone version of MS-DOS was 6.22, the last integrated version was 8.0, and being that Windows 7 won't be the last your post was wrong in every possible way. :P

dvb2000 said,
Windows 8 will never see the light of day. Dos 7 was the last Dos, Windows 7 will be the last Windows!

I somehow doubt that. The cloud is a nice idea but it's not mature enough yet and besides that most people don't trust the cloud. Can't say I blame them.

Windows 8 will sell nicely, provided it's not another Vista.

dvb2000 said,
Windows 8 will never see the light of day. Dos 7 was the last Dos, Windows 7 will be the last Windows!

Maybe the next "platform" will be called Cloud. I'd suggest they drop the numbers and call the versions by colour. "Cloud Black" would be a fitting first cut :)


I really hope people would get off their "if it works for me why can't everyone else do it" kick. I use the cloud for specific things I do, however, the cloud will never ever be an end all be all do all for everyone (In the USA), why.....because in the US we do not have a national anything system, we have local internet providers that have a monopoly in a great majority of the country and they control who gets good internet access and who doesnt (Good = something better than 28.8k modem dial up). Ask people who live in Northern Arizona, Most of Virginia that is outside of the major citys and most of the midwest that isnt a major city. They get very slow DSL if they are lucky. The president talks about a national push for internet for everyone and all you get is the republicans and "conservatives" having "tea parties" and freaking out over spending money.
So if you expect the cloud to be the end all be all for all you better start pushing for everyone to be able to get a good internet connection. Until then the services you can get from a cloud environment will be there for some and the O/S that you say is dying will be around and kicking for everyone else.
***This comment above is based entirely on my opinion, I do not have any specifics except for my travels working in the I.T. field and dealing with companies that to this day are lucky if they have isdn and can only dream to get a reliable hi-speed connection.***

dvb2000 said,
Windows 8 will never see the light of day. Dos 7 was the last Dos, Windows 7 will be the last Windows!

Maybe the next "platform" will be called Cloud. I'd suggest they drop the numbers and call the versions by colour. "Cloud Black" would be a fitting first cut :)

Screw the cloud. If they are planning a Win 8, then there will be a Win 8.


The Cloud isn't an end all to desktop computing.

TRC said,
The last standalone version of MS-DOS was 6.22, the last integrated version was 8.0, and being that Windows 7 won't be the last your post was wrong in every possible way. :P

Well I guess that retail box of IBM DOS 7, sitting on my shelf in front of me is a figment of my imagination then eh?

Never heard of Dos 8, so I'll consider it much like Windows 8, in that its a non starter.