Microsoft set to announce Internet Explorer 9 plans

Today at a packed out keynote for Microsoft's Professional Developers Conference (PDC) Microsoft's Ray Ozie hinted at the next generation of Internet Explorer.

According to sources close to Neowin, Microsoft VP Steven Sinofsky is set to unveil the software giants plans for Internet Explorer 9 tomorrow. Neowin understands that the company is planning a technical preview of Internet Explorer 9 for developers and customers, but that the bits and preview may not be available immediately.

Scott Guthrie is also set to announce Silverlight 4 plans tomorrow, further pushing the "3 screens and a cloud" vision that Microsoft believes in currently. The software giant sees data and services available across the PC, the phone and TVs. Internet Explorer 9 and Silverlight 4 are essential elements of this vision.

Neowin will be live blogging the day 2 keynote tomorrow so stay tuned for all the announcements.

Update: It's likely that the technical preview will be available at CES 2010 or Mix 2010.

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I'd hope that Microsoft start cherry picking some of the features that IE7Pro brings to Internet Explorer and including them by default.

Neowin will be live blogging the day 2 keynote tomorrow so stay tuned for all the announcements.

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Update: It's likely that the technical preview will be available at CES 2010.


WTF. :-( What happened?

GP007 said,
Maybe they found a bug last min and decided to wait. When is CES anyways?

Yes, maybe... I hope we'll still get information on it though, and they just won't show a demo of it. That's possible; I first read it as they pulled it altogether.

CES 2010 is in January 7 - 10.

IE8 sucks. M$ should have done a better job with it. Do not get me wrong, it is a step in the right direction but it still sucks.

No matter how great IE9 will be, there will be tons of people who say it is crap. IE8 could use some improvements like having online bookmarks without the terrible MSN toolbar implementation and being able to search history but I still use it plenty of Opera does not get the job done (which seems more sites do not work with it than there used to be).

IE does give the option of searching history:

Ctrl-H to bring up the history panel, and "Search History" is the last combo box item.

Please Microsoft, make IE9 not suck as much as all of it's predecessors. Please!
To be fair, I'm pretty good at working around IE flaws these days with my code... using minimal, compliant hacks and fallbacks where necessary! It's not all bad...

I don't care whatever new feature you add to IE9... JUST FIX THE CSS BUGS DAMMIT

specifically, the bug that ignores font-family font orders for missing individual glyphs... orz

I sincerely hope that IE9 wouldn't merely "pass" Acid 3 as a targeted exercise, but would properly implement the standards that Acid 3 requires conformance to.

Isn't the standards acid3 uses not set in stone or final? And don't all browsers that pass it atm do so in their own funky way anyways? Maybe I'm wrong but for the most part don't you have to tweak code even in FF and Chrome/Safari to get things to look the same between them? This isn't just a IE thing really.

I like the Web Slice feature, always keep a slice of weather on the tool bar. But the feature needs to be refined, maybe through widgets.

Probably the most secure browser to date (not sure, but Chrome could be even more secure). Also, the only one that has XSS detection, and click-jacking detection.

The most compliant with the CSS 2.1 - the latest ratified CSS standard.

According at least to some studies of real-world web use, is the fastest browser due to its superior caching architecture.

Comes in a 64-bit version. Probably more secure than the standard version, since 64-bit programs use hardware protection against buffer oveflow code injections.

Max1978 said,
Probably the most secure browser to date (not sure, but Chrome could be even more secure). Also, the only one that has XSS detection, and click-jacking detection.

The most compliant with the CSS 2.1 - the latest ratified CSS standard.

According at least to some studies of real-world web use, is the fastest browser due to its superior caching architecture.

Comes in a 64-bit version. Probably more secure than the standard version, since 64-bit programs use hardware protection against buffer oveflow code injections.

As much as I'd love to see 64bitness, the problem is that Flash still hasn't been upgraded to 64bit. When are we going to see it happen? or is this just another example of Adobe screwing customers over again?

Man, I wish Microsoft would provide Silverlight development tools for Mac and Windows (instead of just Windows) and see Flash killed off in favour of Silverlight; or many Microsoft can provide a compatibility layer in Silverlight to allow Flash playback? would that be possible? I'd love to know

+1 for Webkit.. It has the backing of both Apple and Google, all making improvements, bug fixes, etc. Switching to Webkit would be smart way for MS to move IE back to the forefront of Browser in *both* standards and functionality. But I don't expect it to happen.. Far too much in the MS world still uses Trident, though many have been moving away ( Expression Web, VisualStudio, etc. ) and started just using external browsers of your choice rather than any internal.

But imagine how much time it would save MS after the move away from Trident was complete ? They could focus on other stuff, and leave the OpenSource communities, Apple, Google, etc, to keep the browser stable and secure while MS could focus on adding another pointless ribbon or something to it

It'll never happen, Trident is fine overall, and they can make it better. IE8 has shown that if they want they can cover standards at any time. It pases Acid2, and acid3 wasn't on the priorities list for IE8.

So, with that said, performance tweaks and passing acid3 for IE9 would put it right back in line with the others. Add to that any features they toss in as well.

Microsoft has been focusing more on speed improvement with their products lately, then features. If IE9 can outperform Firefox that'd be great. Even if its a better speed the IE8 I'm sure everyone will be 'happier'.

I'm also sure there will be a few new features.

Vista > 7 - Major performance boost, a few new things.
Office 2007 > 2010 - Major performance boost, a few new things.
OneCare > MSE (not really a good comparison) - Well its better. lol

Get the idea?

You need to flip those signs around or swap the names of the apps. You're saying that Vista is greater then 7, Office 07 is greater then Office 10...

http://www.mathsisfun.com/equal-less-greater.html
"And if one value is bigger than another, we can use a "greater than" sign. example: 9 > 6"

But... this won't lead to a bump in their share if it isn't compliant to open standards and only works with what MS thinks the standards should be. If isn't compliant, it'll just give all the others browsers out there more advertising fodder.

As GP007 said, I was using them as arrows. I figured common sense would kick in when reading my comment, apparently I was wrong.

I would never said Vista was better then 7. I'd hate myself for lying like that.

It's pretty obvious that he/she's not using the > as a mathematical symbol, but as an arrow, i.e. Vista (onwards) to Seven.

Edit: GP007 > Me (or GP007 -> Me, in case of confusion)

DarkNovaGamer said,
Microsoft has been focusing more on speed improvement with their products lately, then features. If IE9 can outperform Firefox that'd be great. Even if its a better speed the IE8 I'm sure everyone will be 'happier'.

Me too. IE 8 is very slow for me.

DarkNovaGamer said,
As GP007 said, I was using them as arrows. I figured common sense would kick in when reading my comment, apparently I was wrong.

I would never said Vista was better then 7. I'd hate myself for lying like that.

Apparently my "common sense" was misplaced when I saw a commonly used symbol for "greater than" being used and didn't interpret it as a half assed arrow.
Manish said,
It's pretty obvious that he/she's not using the > as a mathematical symbol, but as an arrow, i.e. Vista (onwards) to Seven.

Edit: GP007 > Me (or GP007 -> Me, in case of confusion)

It wasn't an equation? Really?
DarkNovaGamer said,
Its always wonderful when people are on my side. :)

lol, good stuff none the less.

I would love to see HTML5, CSS3 and better JavaScript support in IE9, but by the time it is released we'll probably be going gaga over WebGL, CSS animation etc in Firefox and Webkit based browsers.

It's pretty bad when the most you expect from IE is that it will just suck a bit less than the previous version.

rdburke said,
Oh please! Not another version!

Yes, bringing in IE 7 and IE 8 to try and improve the IE browser is very bad! We should have stayed on IE 6 even though it's brought on tons of standards issues!

rdburke said,
Oh please! Not another version!

Huh, I use both a Mac and Firefox + Chrome, so I couldn't be further from IE, but still want new versions of it. Anything to hold back the web less, and there's still work to do.

How many people does MS have working on IE? By the looks of the state thing, I'd hazard a guess of: ONE programmer that's programming entirely with punchcards, which is then up-compiled to N-BASIC. (snipped)

Frankenchrist said,
How many people does MS have working on IE? By the looks of the state thing, I'd hazard a guess of: ONE programmer that's programming entirely with punchcards, which is then up-compiled to N-BASIC. (snipped)

from what I understand there was a major code clean up which should allow features to be added quicker in the future. They have made some interesting r&d when it comes to making it more crash resistant which IMHO is just as important as further standards compliance.

Frankenchrist said,
How many people does MS have working on IE? By the looks of the state thing, I'd hazard a guess of: ONE programmer that's programming entirely with punchcards, which is then up-compiled to N-BASIC. (snipped)

What an inane comment. I dislike IE as much as anybody but this is just silly.

rawr_boy81 said,
from what I understand there was a major code clean up which should allow features to be added quicker in the future. They have made some interesting r&d when it comes to making it more crash resistant which IMHO is just as important as further standards compliance.


what a flame bait. Maybe before dissing on IE look at the number of vulnerablities found in it vs. firefox and realize that IE is probably the most secure browser out there. The problem is, is that it's the one most commonly attacked.

seta-san said,
what a flame bait. Maybe before dissing on IE look at the number of vulnerablities found in it vs. firefox and realize that IE is probably the most secure browser out there. The problem is, is that it's the one most commonly attacked.

What the hell are you going on about? where is the flame bait!? stop making accusations unless you can back them up with some evidence.

seta-san said,
what a flame bait. Maybe before dissing on IE look at the number of vulnerablities found in it vs. firefox and realize that IE is probably the most secure browser out there. The problem is, is that it's the one most commonly attacked.

You're one of the few remaining guys left who don't seem to understand that there's a few implications with having the most disclosed resolved vulnerabilities.

1. Being actually popular enough for people to work on improving its security.
2. Being prompt with bug fixes.
3. Being OPEN with its security status... no need for "security through obscurity" since things are getting fixed really quickly.

In conclusion, Firefox is actually more secure than IE. You simply don't know how many undisclosed, unresolved vulnerabilities you're opening when you open an IE window. Sounds Pandora-ish eh?

spinning_quirK said,
You're one of the few remaining guys left who don't seem to understand that there's a few implications with having the most disclosed resolved vulnerabilities.

1. Being actually popular enough for people to work on improving its security.
2. Being prompt with bug fixes.
3. Being OPEN with its security status... no need for "security through obscurity" since things are getting fixed really quickly.

In conclusion, Firefox is actually more secure than IE. You simply don't know how many undisclosed, unresolved vulnerabilities you're opening when you open an IE window. Sounds Pandora-ish eh?


I'd say IE is very popular, that it already has more than 50% of the market. Microsoft has been very prompty with bug fixes. You seem to be 'spinning' some nonsense here.

IE9 will probably still not even come close to passing acid 3 no doubt.

It's not even worth thinking about. IE8 is bad enough, it takes ages for it to load a new tab with 'connecting...'

Silverlight 4 will be good, This PC can only run Silverlight 1 as the new silverlight needs SSE support.

GreyWolfSC said,
You have a bad addon if your tabs are opening slowly...

When I had Vista, opening a new tab was slow as hell (even with no addons) and it is still slow on my fresh install of Windows 7.

It shouldn't though, even if it is that. IE8 when it was in beta was fine but as soon as it went RTM it's slow and clunky.

Ely said,
You must have some issue that causes this which has nothing to do with IE, Mine opens tabs instantaneously.

So does mine. I had problems with Google Chrome Frame which caused tabs to open slowly, uninstalled it and now its instant.

I only use IE8 at the college, but yeah, never an issue other than the tabs opening in a manner I don't really like, but that's beside the point.

Ricksterm said,
IE9 will probably still not even come close to passing acid 3 no doubt.

It's not even worth thinking about. IE8 is bad enough, it takes ages for it to load a new tab with 'connecting...'

Silverlight 4 will be good, This PC can only run Silverlight 1 as the new silverlight needs SSE support.


The most common culprit for that is your security software. Try disabling it and see if it solves it.

Another one is applications that install application/addons for IE. Look in internet options and disable one by one to rule them out.

My favorite browser is Firefox, but there is no need to generalize when one has a problem. I have had problem with FF in the past, but I tried to solve them and keep on using it.

Ricksterm said,
It shouldn't though, even if it is that. IE8 when it was in beta was fine but as soon as it went RTM it's slow and clunky.

if you had spent some time researching, on zdnet there was an article which outlined the problem and how to solve it. Stop abusing forum members and micosoft simply to excuse your laziness.

You're the one doing the abusing here, and not everybody reads ZDnet...

I'm a firefox user anyway so I'm in no way interested in researching how to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Ricksterm said,
You're the one doing the abusing here, and not everybody reads ZDnet...

I'm a firefox user anyway so I'm in no way interested in researching how to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Then don't blame IE when it's not at fault. Bad addons break Firefox, too.

IE7 is fine, IE8 beta was fine, IE8 RTM is not so obviously it is IE at fault for some users. It even happens with all addons disabled/removed, been there & done that.

I have had no issues with Firefox addons.

I'm hoping IE 9 will fix the issue for my parents who prefer IE to other browsers. They know no different.

I, and I think everyone, can feel a hint of bias in your comments regardless of what we say about the "problem".

My tabs open just fine in IE8 on both XP, vista and win7.

To all:

to solve slow tab opening problem, go to Tools | Internet Options..., click Tab Settings button, and in the "When new tab is opened" combo box, select "A blank page".

Now new tabs open very fast.

Tabs open slowly for me, too. Even with no addons. So, it's definitely not just a isolated problem. IE8 is just a dog of a performer.

I'll stick to Firefox which always remains to be fast no matter how many addons I install.

xiphi said,
Tabs open slowly for me, too. Even with no addons. So, it's definitely not just a isolated problem. IE8 is just a dog of a performer.

I'll stick to Firefox which always remains to be fast no matter how many addons I install.

Tabs open slowly because it shows a mini-page with the latest links, etc. You can make IE8 display just the empty page (like FF does) when opening tabs - at which point there is no difference in tab opening speeds between the two.

Ricksterm said,
You're the one doing the abusing here, and not everybody reads ZDnet...

I'm a firefox user anyway so I'm in no way interested in researching how to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

I'm not abusing anyone - the information is available, you choose to ignore the information. Your post is no better than a Mac user spamming a Windows section claiming that Windows 'sux0r!!!1111LOLBBQ!'

Ricksterm said,
Even with no addons, was doing the same on my uncles laptop, I've heard about lots of people with the tab problem.

Yeah, I have the tab problem as well. Luckily I rarely open IE...

When I was on XP (on a crappy 5 year old PC which had NIS 2009 installed) tabs in IE8 opened slowly all the time, even more slowly the first time one was opened. Now on Win 7, on a brand new home built machine with 4GBs of RAM without NIS 2009, tabs only open slowly (much faster than on XP and only slowly compared to FF) on the first time I open a tab after starting IE. I should add that new tabs on both my browsers is the blank page, and FF opens/opened them instantaneously on both systems that I described.

I just now tested IE with Threatfire turned off, and it seemed to open quicker and new tabs loaded quicker.

all i want is silverlight 64bit and IE9 to have built in h264, aac, ogg, theora playback and i'll be happy then youtube can switch to h264 instead of flash and all will be well:) Chrome will be getting h264 built in, opera and firefox wont as they would have to pay for fees, maybe apple and microsoft could pay for the h264 licensing for them tho, this would then slowly kill off crappy flash.

boogerjones said,
You realize that Youtube flash videos can play h.264 content, right?

yes but flash is jerky as hell, plain h264 doesn't have this problem, the problem like with adobe.

The problem is how it decodes. Flash 10.1 decodes H.264 much faster than 10 because it does it on hardware.

The framework MS uses also does hardware decoding if it's capable of it.

I'm glad that there will be details about Silverlight 4. Otherwise, I really don't care about IE 9. The only part I care about is that pretty soon they'll be on 10. Maybe they'll start using roman numerals!

Sure I'd download the technical preview, but I'm sure not a lot is coming.

cabron said,
I am pretty sure that you will not see anything new or amazing between ie8 and ie9

I'd sure like a crystal ball such as yours, where can I get one from please?

The truth is that you have absolutely NO CLUE what's going to be in IE9 so you're not "pretty sure" at all.
Saying there will be nothing new in IE9 is an exceptionally stupid comment to make if you ask me.

cabron said,
I am pretty sure that you will not see anything new or amazing between ie8 and ie9

MS has actually become more serious about IE lately, so I wouldn't be so sure.

Dear God, please let it improve on what IE 8 started about standards support. SVG plz?

njn007 said,
I'm glad that there will be details about Silverlight 4. Otherwise, I really don't care about IE 9. The only part I care about is that pretty soon they'll be on 10. Maybe they'll start using roman numerals!

Sure I'd download the technical preview, but I'm sure not a lot is coming.

Nah, Apple will sue if they call it IE X.

I wouldn't be surprised if IE9 passes acid3 just so they can rush out a acid4 test and we can start this cycle over yet again.

For normal user like me, who doesn't care about any of these stuff like acid1..X, IE is good if you are comparing with other past IE release and some other available in market, but FF rocks.

TCLN Ryster said,
I'd sure like a crystal ball such as yours, where can I get one from please?

The truth is that you have absolutely NO CLUE what's going to be in IE9 so you're not "pretty sure" at all.
Saying there will be nothing new in IE9 is an exceptionally stupid comment to make if you ask me.

Well, considering past IE releases, you don't need a crystal ball to have exceptionally low expectations. I agree with njn007, my expectations of IE9 aren't high and I don't think anyone can blame either of us of having them.

Everyone held their breath at IE8's release and it turned out the improvements were so mild, not many even noticed them (hence low usage stats). Not to mention the fact that they actually made a few things worse. There's nothing 'really stupid' about not expecting much when it comes to IE.