Microsoft planning Bing and Messenger iPhone apps

Sources close to the Windows Live and Bing divisions at Microsoft have confirmed to Neowin that Microsoft is currently developing both Bing and Windows Live Messenger iPhone applications.

Both applications are likely to be released alongside the upcoming Windows Live Wave 4 updates due in approximately March 2010. Neowin understands that Windows Live is working aggressively to move its applications onto the iPhone. Last week Microsoft principal group program manager David Raissipour confirmed to Cnet news that "We are actively working on it" when questioned over the Bing iPhone plans.

Internally the philosophy "if you can't beat them join them" is being adopted for iPhone development. Microsoft understands it needs to compete multi-platform for its web and cloud based applications if it wants to maintain and grow market share. Currently the only Microsoft owned applications available in Apple's iPhone App Store are the Microsoft Tag application and the Seadragon image application. Both applications have been available for nearly a year.

Out of a poll of over 1300 Neowin members, 29% said they owned an iPhone.

Stay tuned for more information on Microsoft's Windows Live Wave 4 plans including what Windows Live Messenger will look like, tabbed messenger conversations and the Ribbon interface for Windows Live Writer exclusively here at Neowin later this week.


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I cant believe how slow its taken for microsoft to get into the phone game, you would have thought that one bright spark over there would have said something, but then i guess Ballmer did laugh at the iPhone. You would have thought that they would have developed a windows live messenger mobile app sooner, with technology moving so quick nowadays you could lose lots of market share in a very short space of time if you dot keep up.

March 2010 for Wave 4? Apparently MS does not want to actually be competitive with anything. The web interface of MS calendar and hotmail have been a lot more powerful for at least a year.

As a disgruntled user of Microsoft Messenger on my Mac I have this to say.

1. Ribbon? Please, even though it wasn't said.. please don't add a ribbon to Windows Live Messenger. It would look disgusting and cluttered. The current interface at the moment on Windows is simple. Add to the simplicity (if you have to), don't subtract.

2. Tabbed messenger conversations would be good.

3. FIX YOUR GOD DAMN MAC VERSION BEFORE YOU MAKE AN IPHONE VERSION!!!!!!!! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!! IT IS SSSOOOOOOOOOO BAD!!!!!.

Level of importance. Computer > iPhone.


Give me all of the features in Microsoft Messenger for Mac that are on Windows Live Messenger (right down to the T.. such as scenes..) and I will be happy. This is how it should have been in the first place.

When iTunes runs on a PC the features are similar. So why can't Microsoft get that right?

Please, release a new version of Messenger for Mac by Christmas. Please! Ahead of time!.. leak another beta or something!!!!! It is really that bad!!

If they're smart, they'll build a library that can be used on OS X and iPhone - after all, Cocoa Touch and Cocoa OS X share a lot of code.

The OS X version is in desperate need of some TLC. I've been using Adium since I got a Mac, in 2006.

Wow, that's a really smart move, Microsoft is becoming smarter and smarter since Bill left office.

Weeks ago when I was trying things out in the mobile Safari browser, I was surprised to find out Bing works flawlessly in it, you can even watch the video results on the device.

I would be REALLY REALLY happy if they made a Bing app on iPhone, if we could browse the results in it while staying connected to MSN Messeger(if you haven't noticed, yahoo has this function for a while), I could probably use it more often than the built-in Safari and google search.

They are too late... I already have beejive so i won't be using it. I wish they would've relased it sooner. Now they really need to fix their messeger for OSX

Examinus said,
Thank God. I hope there's a new Microsoft Messenger for OSX too.

Haha, yeah! The current version lacks toooooooooo many features :P

Its about time, but pity I stopped using WLM when facebook came onto the scene, otherwise this would be on the top of my app list!

At first i was excited but not so anymore. The app with just wlm is useless...we need multi client app like im+

It will never be approved. It duplicates functionality of the built in SMS app. HAHAHAHA.. Apple will always find a way to reject an app.

Naaa.. Apple and MS have a good understanding about MS stuff on Apple products.. Rarely does MS make anything for Mac that competes with an Apple line... ( Apple doesn't make a VM environment, thus VirtualPC, No Office software thus MS Office.. They do make a browser thus no IE Mac.. ) As such Apple will gladly include this just for the commercials showing Messenger on it.. It'll be one more way to reach the masses and help grasp marketshare..

Ryoken said,
Naaa.. Apple and MS have a good understanding about MS stuff on Apple products.. Rarely does MS make anything for Mac that competes with an Apple line... ( Apple doesn't make a VM environment, thus VirtualPC, No Office software thus MS Office.. They do make a browser thus no IE Mac.. ) As such Apple will gladly include this just for the commercials showing Messenger on it.. It'll be one more way to reach the masses and help grasp marketshare..

iWork, iChat, Mobile Me...

Ryoken said,
Naaa.. Apple and MS have a good understanding about MS stuff on Apple products.. Rarely does MS make anything for Mac that competes with an Apple line... ( Apple doesn't make a VM environment, thus VirtualPC, No Office software thus MS Office.. They do make a browser thus no IE Mac.. ) As such Apple will gladly include this just for the commercials showing Messenger on it.. It'll be one more way to reach the masses and help grasp marketshare..

Actually, most of Microsoft's Mac products compete with Apple software. Office 2008 competes with iWork, Messenger competes (to an extent) with iChat, and VirtualPC never made it past the PowerPC -> Intel transition.

I would love this, as long as it's as full-featured as the Windows Live Messenger.. The current alternatives are sorely lacking in features on the iPhone.. and the MacOS Messenger makes the old Windows Messenger seem feature rich..

hmm interesting.. why dont they just spend that time working on the release of the new Windows Mobile.. I cannot wait to see that really. I just hope it wont be a disapointment.. This coming from a guy who uses an iPhone!

dimithrak said,
hmm interesting.. why dont they just spend that time working on the release of the new Windows Mobile.. I cannot wait to see that really. I just hope it wont be a disapointment.. This coming from a guy who uses an iPhone!

Maybe because it's not the same development team.

Getting more consumers to use WLM and Bing isn't really helping the competition in any great way nor do I think these apps would push consumers to an Apple product given they can IM on the MS network already with existing apps.

Well I hope they integrate some sort of push status for WLM on the iPhone.
Else it will be pretty pointless, because as soon as your phone goes to sleep you will get disconnected.

That is the only reason I don't use any IM apps on my iPhone. As I always have to have the phone on for it to stay connected to IM network.

It would have to have push to be useful at all. Also, you are incorrect about the IM not working when your phone goes to sleep. the last app that was open stays running in the background if you lock your iPhone or allow it to lock itself. Not terribly useful, but I'm just sayin.

darkmanx21 said,
I'm actually shocked they didn't have these apps already available..it's been what? 3 years? Come on MS..

I'm still waiting for a MSN J2ME app. There;'s a Chinese MSn one floating around but nothing newer/better.

pfff noooooo, Microsoft apps should only stay on the Windows Mobile platform. That way, we'll (WM users), will have a much more of a reason to stay with Windows Mobile if we have the better apps. WLM 10 rocks for Windows Mobile. Looks almost like an exact replica of the desktop version.

darkmanx21 said,
I'm actually shocked they didn't have these apps already available..it's been what? 3 years? Come on MS..

The App Store came out a year and 5 months ago.

Almost everyone I know is on MSN.. Both on a personal and business relationship it's a quick way to talk back and forth.. Easier than calling, if you aren't there the messages waits, but if you are it's better than email.

KoL said,
I hope they update the Mac version too.

That's going to be a much needed update....I just bought a MBP for my gf and she wasn't very impressed with WML lol

Rudy said,
That's going to be a much needed update....I just bought a MBP for my gf and she wasn't very impressed with WML lol

From what I understand they're going to do it when Live Messenger 2010 is released which uses a whole new video communications stack. The problem is that if they worked towards compatibility with the existing Messenger, by the time that it came out, Microsoft Windows version would have already moved across to the new CODEC by then.

Currently there are two CODEC's in use, one by the Microsoft Communications package and one by the Live service - the move is to get both of them using the same protocol - I assume not only to cut down on maintenance costs but to also sell value added services where a companies server can hook into Microsoft's own service to provide conferencing facilities.

Would love to see more skydrive integration with the mobile apps, especially on the iphone, so if I took a pic I could add this file straight to my skydrive from the iPhone.. also My Phone would be awesome, but I cant see Apple allowing that as they have they Mobile Me service.

Well there rule is that apps that duplicate functions of the phone are not allowed. MobileMe is more of a service that runs on the phone, rather than a function of the phone itself, so who knows :)

Besides, I'm seriously considering trying Windows Mobile again (probably the best HTC device available at the time) when my contract comes up for renewal in February.

71% huh? Seems a little higher then I'd of expected... I wonder how many people considered an iPod touch an iPhone?

A messenger for the iphone is useless in my opinion. Now a silverlight app or plug-in for safari in the iphone will be priceless!!!!!

cabron said,
A messenger for the iphone is useless in my opinion. Now a silverlight app or plug-in for safari in the iphone will be priceless!!!!!

Explain to me how it would be priceless to have an messaging app running inside an another app as an add-on?

chisss said,
Explain to me how it would be priceless to have an messaging app running inside an another app as an add-on?


Did I said that? I am talking about watching Silverlight animation and websites. Adobe Flash has not been developed yet for the iphone.

I agree that messenger apps on iPhone are generally useless unless Apple will bend it's rules and allow them to run in the background. What's the point of a messenger app if nobody can message me on it because it's not running all the time.

Have you actually used a messaging app on an iPhone? A lot of the "big players" (IM+, Beejive, eBuddy Pro, etc) allow you to stay connected for 24 hours upwards. If someone IMs you and the application is closed, the push feature kicks in, and you get a notification (showing the IM and username, as well as a button to open up the application). Therefore messenger apps are not useless on the iPhone.

Edit: However, I would love an official way to background other apps (but Multifl0w + Backgrounder does the job amazingly).

i'm another one who thinks messenger apps are pretty much useless on the iPhone. until apple does some good update and figure out how to properly multitask then i dont see the point.

push notifications are such a lousy way out of proper multitasking... even bigger waste of time

If that's what you want to believe, fine. Are the IM apps actually useless? No. Why? Because the apps using push notifications are clearly able to carry out their primary function, i.e. to deliver messages instantly between 2+ people. Even when the app is closed, people can still IM each other. Would multitasking/"backgrounding" save me a few seconds that are needed to open and close the app? Yes.

I do not know of anyone who runs an IM app in the background on an iPhone even if they have the ability to do so. I personally don't since I consider it a pointless waste of resources, because, as I said above, in the case of IM apps, push notifications handle the lack of "backgrounding" brilliantly.

I do agree, however, that multitasking would be an excellent feature. I'm merely questioning whether the lack of this feature truly renders IM apps useless on the iPhone. I'm thinking no.

Unfortunately for the iPhone, like you said, it is a pointless waste of resources. Other smartphones can run IM without killing resources or battery, so lets hope Apple can figure it out. It was pretty disappointing last march during the iphone OS 3.0 announcement when Apple tried to talk about running apps in the background and how it dramatically reduced battery life. I'm really hoping they are putting good effort into figuring it out for 4.0.

I used an iPhone 3G for 18 months.. the push notification i found too annoying. Most IM apps cant even stay connected for long. whats the point of the app running on apple's push servers if theyre limited in how long they can run? Even when it was connected, and I'd get a push notification, then i'm having to wait for the app to open up and connect again. It might just be my opinion, but it seems like a horrible way on apple's part to avoid fixing the real issue with multitasking on the iPhone.

Now with my Hero I have google talk and msn always connected and it literally seems to have no effect on resources or battery life.