Paramount beginning to take action on piracy

The 2009 release of the movie 'Star Trek' was very popular. It saw great reviews, success at the box office, though unfortunately, it also had the highest piracy rate of the entire year. Paramount are aware of this, and have since written to the FCC, asking them to take action.

According to the site Trek Movie, the movie managed to rack up a whopping 11 million illegal downloads, beating out the top pirated movie of 2008 (The Dark Knight) by 4 million. The company Paramount managed to hunt down over five million IP addresses of people who downloaded one of the pirated copies, and has written to the FCC with their thoughts about the whole ordeal. The letter, found in .PDF format here, states that, "Just five years ago, one had to be computer literate and exceedingly patient to pirate movies. Today, literally anyone with an internet connection can do it. Clunky websites are being replaced by legitimate looking and legitimate feeling pirate movie websites, a perception enhanced by the presence of premium advertisers and subscription fees processed by major financial institutions."

Paramount claims that pirating has gone from "geek to sleek," and even pinned some of the blame on popular legal sites such as Google, Bing, YouTube and Megaupload, as they provide access to pirated content in one way or another. They also believe that part of the problem is that nowadays, sites that provide pirated content are powered by the advertising of legal companies, through premium advertisement services such as that offered by Google.

The letter provides some very valid arguments regarding piracy, though whether or not people will really take notice is a different story altogether. The company is aiming to gain government support to aid the Hollywood studios stop such obscene levels of piracy, with the letter stating, "[We] must have the legal and regulatory flexibility to use technological tools in partnership with Internet service providers to stem the tide of online copyright theft." If you're curious about the other movies on the top 10 pirated list, we've shown them below.

1. Star Trek
2. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
3. RocknRolla
4. The Hangover
5. Twilight
6. District 9
7. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
8. State of Play
9. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
10. Knowing

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Star Trek more wanted than Twilight, Transformers, Harry Potter and Wolverine? ROFL...
Really, putting ST in first on that list makes the whole thing smells fake.

+1

Currently:
Avatar
2012
District 9
Invention of Lying
ZOmbieland
Hangover
Paranormal Activity
Funny People
Sherlock Holmes

While star trek is 89th.

Personally with all the money Paramount makes and the amount of crappy movies they still manage to make, I say they have more than enough share of there own. I wouldn't need to support them when they can easily get them elsewhere and the likes. They should only go after those who actually are making money off of stolen/copied content simple as that. The rest of us just use the net for what its given as availability. Not our fault RIAA/MPAA aren't doing there job at catching those would be thieves. Heck even I could get into a theater easily without a ticket. Sometimes the ticket checkers are really ignorant or don't pay much attention or if there is a full crowd they don't have time for double checks. Shows its not just filming in a theater that is as bad. Funny thing is that most CAM shows are just as is, crappy quality video + audio. Anyone thats seeen one would know it would be better seen in a theatre if they like it. Only issue here is after the movies been gone from theaters do we actually see a good quality release before DVD/Bluray hits the shelves or just has. Also note that when you go against piracy you're pretty much going against a huge population of those that do this. Majority are those that aren't as well endowed as the rest of us and tend to just watch the movies for free rather than play then possibly buy. The irony I also see in this is that only the people that are getting money off of sales are the ones really concerned or are trying to stop it. Even actors, game developers and the likes pirate themselves though probably not as many as one would seem. I mean even if they do get payed 50-80k a year who wouldn't want to have that used elsewhere such as rent, house/apartment, furniture, car and the likes and still enjoy a flick+game in the process? All in all majority want free content so if Paramount want to stop something, they should stop themselves first. Since they even have movie leaks and the likes (Wolverine a prime example). A losing battle imo but nonthelesss (as said before) with all the money they have they just love to send milliions upon millions to try to stop it and still have enough left over for more crappy movies to be made.

I just downloaded invictus.. personally I thought it was one of the best movies ive watched in along time.. infact when it comes out on dvd.. as well as avatar I will buy both which i have seen in brutal R5 format .. so just goes to show .. if its a good movie its worth the few bucks.. but not an outragious amount.. If Avatar is in IMAX here still ive been told its amazing!

also lets not forget its the Oscars in a few months time.. i wonder how many films will get "LEAKED". now if they can't keep there own house straight then why should we pay for there incompetence.

1. Star Trek
Watch at pictures + bought DVD

2. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
watched at Cinema + bought DVD

3. RocknRolla
Downloaded DVDR, was ok.. wont buy the DVD

4. The Hangover
@Cinema + Downloaded DVDR + Present for XMAS

5. Twilight
No interest at all

6. District 9
Download a R5 release.. watched 20 mins.. HATED IT.. glad i didnt pay for that crap

7. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
No interest at all.. even downloading it

8. State of Play
not see this at all

9. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
missed it at the cinema so got the R5 release when it came out, wont bother with the DVD

10. Knowing
Downloaded it.. thought it was ok.. enough to get the DVD.


so all in all.. i dont think i made Paramount starve with some of my downloads.

Yea I do agree that Avatar .. isnt the same I just watched it but .. when it gets a better quality.. I am sure alot people will want it.. but at what price...

indeed.. but the point was more that it was a global release so it was better to go cinema to watch it than watch a crappy cam copy, R5 etc wont be out for a while

I pirated Star Trek before I could get the Blu-ray version, then I bought the special edition Blu-ray which was $90. Piracy =/= lost $.

I'd be curious to see the stats of movies that are released globally within a week of the US how much that movie is pirated vs a movie that takes 3+ months to come over and by which time you could download a DVDR rip.

Im off to see Avatar shortly.. The film looks ace, and i can't see anyone really who wants to enjoy this film wanting to watch as CAM/TS copy which are generally just blurry.... but what if this film was released not now but in 3 months time here.. by then im sure a R5 release would be out and thats near DVD quality.. im sure alot more would download it than wait until its was released.

Another thing ill bring up this is no different then the **** they are pulling with gas prices... how oil companies are afraid to find clear technology because that would mean there corporations & governing bodies would not have a leg to stand on and lifestyles would be fair.. Greedy I mean how much should a resource thats clearly given to everyone who they are born much like food yet we pay an arm and a leg for that.. i mean when is it going to change that people realize and fight back against the government & do things cause they love to ..

I blame Hollywood. I mean come on, some of these actors and actresses make 25million a movie. Thats why **** is so expensive.

Okay, and paying $14 at the cinema to see a movie and then being asked to pay $40 for it on Blu-Ray is not a crime? You have already paid the studios to see the movie. So you are now legit. Do you not see how much they are exploiting laws? They know it's ridiculous and yet they milk the laws to further put money into their pockets.....I am glad I do not live in a country whose government is run by incompetent jackasses. The people that elected George Bush deserve the government that is destroying their lives. I have no sympathy for them! You wanted him now deal with this **** and don't complain.....

Also, you do not deserve healthcare! Do you think it's right for the government to support your unhealthy lifestyles? How about you put down the fork and stop eating fast-food and junk food, exercise more and stop pumping your bodies full of pills. I liked it the way it was until now. If you need medical attention, pay for it. Can't afford it? Call the priest! Now a country full of fat people will have to fork out billions for triple-bypasses and organ transplants.....What a joke! If people in America lived more active lives, they wouldn't have time to pirate crap and wouldn't have all these studios trying to stop them.

Well i tend to agree bush .. did no harm .. I am a Canadian however... so I too agree most the choices americans make are lazy & stupid but still do not think anything should cost a thing surely.. they should do more then pirate and get out .. But then again so should everyone .. its called the digital age.. even sports & everything changing to the way the game is played etc... I mean you cant stop society .. As for paying for health care some people are medically ill and never brought it on to themselves.. not everyone deserves it but .. i do agree those that are lazy and take pills etc should not have a free ride. Wonder if celeberities.. would be able to pay all there medical bills.. or if that is all given to them with the cheque that we give them.. from buying there overpriced crap!

ManOfMystery said,
Okay, and paying $14 at the cinema to see a movie and then being asked to pay $40 for it on Blu-Ray is not a crime? You have already paid the studios to see the movie. So you are now legit. Do you not see how much they are exploiting laws? They know it's ridiculous and yet they milk the laws to further put money into their pockets.....I am glad I do not live in a country whose government is run by incompetent jackasses. The people that elected George Bush deserve the government that is destroying their lives. I have no sympathy for them! You wanted him now deal with this **** and don't complain.....

Also, you do not deserve healthcare! Do you think it's right for the government to support your unhealthy lifestyles? How about you put down the fork and stop eating fast-food and junk food, exercise more and stop pumping your bodies full of pills. I liked it the way it was until now. If you need medical attention, pay for it. Can't afford it? Call the priest! Now a country full of fat people will have to fork out billions for triple-bypasses and organ transplants.....What a joke! If people in America lived more active lives, they wouldn't have time to pirate crap and wouldn't have all these studios trying to stop them.


actually the DMCA (which is basically the genesis of all things evil in the digital world) was signed into law by clinton. The bottom line here is studios for the most part are unwilling to adapt and change their model to evolve with the rest of the world

Big business hates competition, filesharing is simply that, they are exploiting this so government(s) can get their greedy hands on the internet, like they are doing in the UK, demonising file-sharing so they can allow the Secretary of State to ammend the copyright act whenever and not only stop file-sharing but...anything else he/she desires.

There are many new business models to choose from should they decide to move on in the future which envolve legalising file-sharing and profit.

If Paramount can get people to shower before and shut the f-ck up during the movies then I'd be happy to start seeing them in theaters again.

Exactly LaP ... they are breaking some many rules with a lot of angels most people .. do not even know they are being watched..... Eagle eye was one movie that showed what the government can do... without you knowing

It's all great to fight piracy and such. But the day all these companies will stop installing data mining and drm **** on my PC without warning me is the day i'll support them.

I will not shed a single tear for a company who try to install/copy things on my personal PC without asking me first.

Very True.. and we all remember the Sony Rootkit fiasco from a few years back.. yet it would seem studios are intent on not TRUSTING a PAYING customer. where as a person downloading DVDR/XVIDS get none of those rubbish.

The solution to such an issue is not an easy one but rather.. corporations as a whole should realize what the consumers want and desire.. Cause clearly if you do not.. they will get it some other way.. They just never learn .. also I have to comment on one thing.. how are these corporations not doing illegal activity themselves tracking people on sites.. is illegal at least thats what I learned in some legal classes.. If a person or individuals are not aware its well I believe in many countries and invasion of privacy and they should be punished for using illegal activity to get information as well.. how is it right for them to do things but not other people in society.. Corrupt government.. is what I call this who paided who to allow it.. thats what it comes down to and thats how they get the information.. only to take more money from the average Joe in a lawsuit.. When really they should be sued for breaking a few laws themselves.

It's not illegal in all countries. Don't think it's illegal in US. It's illegal in UK if i recall well though.

ahh what media cop or sentry do to gather Ip's can be rather illegal in the US some of the ways they use are allowed by the NSA to do but then they are an Govt body

Ok so many validate points made here. I mean yes a studio, producer, actor or actress should make a bit of money or.. wait whatever happen to doing things just cause you have a passion for it. Society as a whole has become so based on money running everything.. Hollywood stars having a new car for everyday of the week or million dollar mansion just because they.. get rich off people who are the working force and do not have cheques handed to them daily for huge amounts for a 10 min role in a movie or Television show.. I think all these corporations are greedy & self - centered.. maybe corporations should look at how they came about by people investing in them and supporting them. Without the support of society movies would not be what they are today.. everything is a fast paced race to what make the gap between rich and poor worse and separate people here on this planet more and more.. Or is it to have equality & freedom to all.. nothing should cost anything.. because you should have a passion for doing it.. not oh to make millions.. but because you love to do it.. sure actors or whatever have to have talent and maybe they should get a bit but I mean come on............how are they any different then say a car repair guy who keeps there cars running its a skill but should a celebrity make more then a mechanic?... like I do not agree.. I also feel that producing a Dvd does not cost more then 10 dollars to make I know this cause I work in production .. and see what goes into making the movies.. As well consumers should not have to pay to have things they do not want such as advertising.. thats like buying a car and having stickers all over it.. when you do not want it ...you do not need it!.. which brings the cost down. NO frills in marketing...thats what consumers want today. Surely I do not agree they should price anything .. for the good of man kind.. Everything should be of abundance and free ...

They will never stop us true pirates. There will always be someone around deliberately trying to defy the law plain and simple, and we steal because we "want", and "can". I'm a crook for life!

ooooo listen to the crime boss shoot boy i been doin this since BBS days and 1200baud dial up modems cost $500 you better run off now i think i can hear yuor moma callin

Avatar has the right idea. It is already on the torrents, but now one wants to download a movie that needs to be seen in its full 3D glory.

How does it cost £25 for blu ray and still really £10-15 for a DVD, how much does it cost to make a disc and why do online legal downloads cost nearly as much as the cinema ?

Online movies would be good if they were £2-4 but them seem to always be around £5 which is not payable for someone who watches around 3 different movies a week regularly going to the cinema for good films, most of th ones in the list I have seen at the cinema and downloaded.

This act is simply an act of greed, 90% of those downloads were from people who would never pay for it.

Bluray costs more for now because of the technology, the investment in the manufacturing process, and economies of scale... Cost will go down over time as it does with everything.

As for people not paying for movies because they think they're too expensive, if I can't afford something, I don't buy it. If someone can't afford to rent / buy a movie, then I guess they aren't seeing that particular movie at that very moment.

So, am I reading this right? People are selling pirated, digital copies of the movies? Who pays for something like that? I mean it looks like people are going to lengths to make their sites look legit...but seriously, that's border line you deserve to get robbed (not really).

In the modern world, if you want to watch something, there are two choices,

1. Download it for free.
2. Pay for it.

As long as first choice exists, it will always be preferred.
I mean, who the bloody **** would want to pay?

im sorry for you paramount. you are in this business and the world has evolved in the direction of this "easy-to-use" digital-media. it us up to you to adapt if you want to make money. it is not up to you to persecute, in most respects, normal people for following the crowd. its good of you to identify the problem, but find another way to solve it, and that doesn't mean suing someone for more than they are worth for perceived "damages".

i just got back from seeing avatar for the 2nd time. we are in this together, the filmmakers and its audience. impress us and we will gladly support you.

If movie and DVD/BR prices weren't absurd, then more people would actually go watch the movies and buy them on DVD or Blue-ray.

The average price to see a new movie here is $9.50, some places charge over $10. To see a movie one freaking time. Come on now. Yeah, that's why I don't go to movies.

$20 for a DVD? Kiss my ass. That's why I don't buy DVD's, either.

In my country the minimal wage is under 600EUR/month, and they charge 7 EUR for cinema, and about 5-38 EUR for DVD's. Piracy at record high.

ToastedJellyBowl said,
The average price to see a new movie here is $9.50, some places charge over $10. To see a movie one freaking time. Come on now. Yeah, that's why I don't go to movies.

$16 to sit in a theater here which is why I don't go out to see a movie any more.

$20 for a DVD? Kiss my ass. That's why I don't buy DVD's, either.

Rent & rip.

WAR-DOG said,
In my country the minimal wage is under 600EUR/month, and they charge 7 EUR for cinema, and about 5-38 EUR for DVD's. Piracy at record high.

Here in Mexico the minimum is around USD $135 a month or $4.5 a day. The theater costs $4.2, buying a DVD or Blu-ray is $15.3.

Go figure why piracy is at an all-time high here. Most of these prices are prohibitive for the majority of our population.

If the prices were more fair, the companies would earn more based on volume.

ajua said,
Here in Mexico the minimum is around USD $135 a month or $4.5 a day. The theater costs $4.2, buying a DVD or Blu-ray is $15.3.

Go figure why piracy is at an all-time high here. Most of these prices are prohibitive for the majority of our population.

If the prices were more fair, the companies would earn more based on volume.

But "fair" would mean people would bulk purchase them in Mexico and attempt to sell them at a huge profit in the US.

yup $14.50 here in new zealand for the theater experience or Transformers 2 Revenge Of The Fallen on BD $47.35 or DVD $26.95 im sorry but i just can't see how to justify those ridiculas costs VIVA LA PIRATE

So are Paramount saying that 11 million more people would have bought a ticket or purchased BR/DVD if torrents didn't exist?

BS.

I went to the cinema to see Star Trek. I loved it so much I downloaded a copy when it was available. Had the torrent not existed, I simply wouldn't have a copy now. Paramount haven't lost any money through what I have done, and yet I and others like me fall under that big "P" label.

This is the 21st Century. Torrents are nothing new. Isn't it about time the big movie and music publishers embraced digital downloads instead of trying to stifle them?

Fish said,
So are Paramount saying that 11 million more people would have bought a ticket or purchased BR/DVD if torrents didn't exist?

BS.


They didn't say that actually, nor did they even imply it. They're merely stating that piracy is getting out of hand. And yet again, as I stated in my previous post in this thread, nothing you've said justifies piracy.

spenser.d said,

They didn't say that actually, nor did they even imply it. They're merely stating that piracy is getting out of hand. And yet again, as I stated in my previous post in this thread, nothing you've said justifies piracy.

Meh, nothing justifies £7-8 for a cinema ticket, yet millions pay it.

remember the time mp3's were so illegall you had to go to jail for it? Now they sell it for cheap 0.25cent... Don't know how long will it take for movies to get to that same point...

WAR-DOG said,
remember the time mp3's were so illegall you had to go to jail for it? Now they sell it for cheap 0.25cent... Don't know how long will it take for movies to get to that same point...


Although a movie does cost a hell of alot more to produce, however I guess the sales would be alot more than the average song too.

spenser.d said,
nothing you've said justifies piracy.

It's there, so I had it. It didn't cost me anything. If it cost me, say, £7.50 then in all honesty I would have paid for it, because I enjoyed the movie that much.

This is the point I'm making. Because the publishers still haven't embraced the digital age, they are missing out on potential revenue. But instead of doing something about this, they put it under the "piracy" label and bury their heads.

There needs to be reformation and innovation or this situation will never end.

God I love these threads. I don't care if people download movies. What I find ridiculous is when you try and justify it. There is no good logic to justify piracy. Saying movies are too expensive, or that there aren't any quality movies or that the studio is still making a ****ton of money aren't reasons to condone piracy. They're just dumb*** excuses that you people make up because you want to be able to justify it somehow even though there really isn't a way to do so.

Agreed on this one. I cant speak for for one as I do download movies occasionally, but you all gotta remember you are trying to justify doing something that has been illegal for years with silly excuses. The biggest thing I see is that it is almost easier in most cases to download a movie than to go buy it. I bet most of you all would still download these movies even if the DVD only cost lets say $5 or if the actors were paid less. Paramount does have a point that movie downloading has gone from underground to a common thing, you gotta remember movies still have to make money some how

spenser.d said,
God I love these threads. I don't care if people download movies. What I find ridiculous is when you try and justify it. There is no good logic to justify piracy. Saying movies are too expensive, or that there aren't any quality movies or that the studio is still making a ****ton of money aren't reasons to condone piracy. They're just dumb*** excuses that you people make up because you want to be able to justify it somehow even though there really isn't a way to do so.

Whilst you can't justify piracy, here's a few reasons why you won't find many sympathisers for these people...
1- Forced advertisements, when you spend whatever amount for a legitimate DVD, should you then be expected to sit through one or several advertisements you can't skip past?
2- Worldwide download availability, it doesn't exist. Not everyone wants to buy the DVD, quite a lot of people would be happy to pay to legally download it. Given the length of time the movie industry has had to adapt, you'd think they'd have achieved more. Its not that they can't, its that they won't. Instead of adapting, they'd rather sit on their hands and hope the problem will just go away, and when that fails? Push some money in the way of the politicians, or how about suing some regular every day people for downloading a couple of movies, instead of just admitting their failures and adapting. And please don't tell me these services already exist, sure they do, in a FEW limited countries, and even then they think its OK to charge more for a download than what it costs to buy the actual disc.
3- International releases, if you have the choice to download the movie illegally now or wait a month or two to watch it at your local cinema, what's your choice going to be? I've got a fair idea what most people would do. Until they work harder at releasing movies internationally, the problem of piracy isn't just going to go away.
The movie industry is just as much to blame for piracy than the sites facilitating the illegal downloads, half of the sites wouldn't be around today if they had and were willing to use more constructive methods to prevent the problem. Overpaid idiots in suites, that's the problem here.

freeza said,
You most certainly can justify piracy. I think the download numbers speak for themselves.


Just because a lot of people do something doesn't mean it's justifiable. A lot of people in America owned slaves before the Civil War, but there's no justification for slavery.

Well said.

It amazes me that these people who think movies and music should be free do not believe that everything else in life should be free as well.

I'm a Pirate because i got better things to spend my hard earned on like power phone food rent petrol school fees cloathes for my son. So untill they make buying a movie $5 and drop the theater prices bellow the current $14.50nzd i'm not going to stop

freeza said,
You most certainly can justify piracy. I think the download numbers speak for themselves.

You most certainly can't. If a million people decided to each shoot two people today, would you say such an act was justified because a million people did it?

Think.

11 million downloads? I bet a large percentage of those pay for some sort of premium account somewhere.
Take the well known r...share. €6.99 a month for a premium account (I think). These people are willing to pay a monthly fee to be able to download anything they want, albeit illegally. I bet most of these people would be gladly pay a similar amount each month to be able to download and keep music and films legally. Instead of the €6.99 going to r...share's shareholders it could be dished out fairly (depending on downloads, etc) to the actual artists/producers/etc.

yeah at 11m d/l x 6.99euros or dollars or rubels or what ever you use for currency would have netted them and extra $66m imagine waking up and finding that in ya bank statment i know i'd be bleedin happy

The company Paramount managed to hunt down over five million IP addresses of people who downloaded one of the pirated copies, and has written to the FCC with their thoughts about the whole ordeal.

So, how reliable is this actually?

They've probably used data from torrent trackers to get IP-adresses so a lot of people with unprotected wifi could get in trouble, even though they're innocent.
Some torrent trackers actually add IP's that are not in fact connected to the tracker (to add false positives), so that's some more people Paramount will get in trouble, even though they're innocent.
Oh, and then there's the people that use a proxy for tracker communications: people who do download, but will never have their IP listed by the tracker.

They are just using it to support their case to the FCC. It doesn't appear to me that they intend to take any action against those people.

Poor paramount oh whatever will you do with a loss of a few million people not paying .. might not be able to afford to afford a mercedes benz with personal driver and chauffeur for a week to drive you round. f*** them imo if they adapted instead of being greedy money bags then wouldn't have the problem.

Are you in the movie-making biz? Arranging to pay crews, extras, set designers, script writers, and even contracting deals to use a space doesn't really come cheap. That's a few budget worries.

HAHA lol these crews, extras, set designers, script writers get payed a pittence compaired to big name stars so don't blame that for the price of movie making its the big paychecks and the money whores in charge the are the real cost

The Federal Communications Commission are the US equivalent of Ofcom here in the UK. The FCC has no jurisdiction whatsoever
outside the United States of America, so if Paramount wish to legally pursue and take legal action against any of the copyright
infringers beyond Uncle Sam's borders, they'll have to contact the relevant authorities in other countries.

What you think that this will end here in the USA, no it will extend into other nations if Paramount gets it way here first. . .think about it boys and girls.

and i bet the means they used to collect the IP's was all leagal and above board or like the riaa and mpaa do they use media cop or sentry too and we all know that what they do breaks several federal laws to do with the way they spy on the public

Raa said,
Did it stop them from selling millions of copies and making piles of cash? No, I don't think so...

No, they're just upset that they didn't make even more money, even though that they covered the cost and made a real nice profit.

C_Guy said,
Is that relevant Raa? No, didn't think so.

Neither is bashing Google in articles not even related to them, but hey, if you want to criticize him first, be my guest.

Yes yes, complain about piracy all you want Paramount, but you guys are just like stubborn kids. Put on those friggin' movies a decent price tag, then complain about piracy. Shame on you!

hey paramount, maybe if you make the movie prices reasonable enough so that average people can afford it, rather than making billions, perhaps piracy would decrease !!!

Nonsense. How about you fund a $ 300 million dollar movie and we'll see what you sell it for?

They can make money on one, and lose on another. If they don't make as much on their winners, they'll be less likely to take a fly on something new or different.

If you want to see a movie, rent it. If you have to own it, save up if need be.

and just how much of that 300mil is going to actors in the way pay packets simple don't pay them so much and making the film won't cost so much and don't say oh but the actor we really really want won't work for less than this much BOOHOOO hire someone who will after all it's just a job isn't it if some movie company offered me 200k to star in a movie i'd take it

Does the letter also say what percentage of the illegal downloader's actually go on to purchase a legal copy (DVD or BlueRay)?? No it will not, as it always appears to me that these types of actions are one sided and never give a clear overall picture of the situation.

bomberh said,
Does the letter also say what percentage of the illegal downloader's actually go on to purchase a legal copy (DVD or BlueRay)?? No it will not, as it always appears to me that these types of actions are one sided and never give a clear overall picture of the situation.

Of course it doesn't why would they want to look at it from that perspective??? Stupid movie companies!!!!

M_Lyons10 said,
Why would someone steal a movie if they were planning to buy it?

I can bet that an amount (I don't know to what extent) of people who download movies/music will buy the DVD/Blu-ray or CD if they really like it.

M_Lyons10 said,
Why would someone steal a movie if they were planning to buy it?

Easy, You live outside the US. As far as most movie studios care, the US is the only market. Why should people from regions outside the US have to wait longer for a movie? Stuff off, we are not second class citizens outside the US.

I will download a movie to watch it, and then will generally buy the movie on BLuray later when its available 6 months down the track.

What a crock of ****

Here's a tip paramount. Stop paying actors and actresses millions of dollars per movie, and then as a result you can stop charging ridiculous prices for DVDs and blueray movies. Maybe you might actually see the number of pirates decrease. Until then, I have no sympathy for anyone in the entertainment business (especially the publishing side of it).

+1
Additionally, when I buy DVD's they have loads of crappy adverts before the main film, that annoys me so much I've stopped buying originals and find Pirate copies better for that reason alone.
How dare they fill these DVD's full of adverts when I'm a paying customer, I wouldn't mind if they had them as a menu item or at the end of the film, but not a mandatory clip at the start.

That would help. But they also need to stop the stupid staggered international releases, and get the movies out on to DVD and legal online downloads quicker than they are doing. Sure, people will still pirate; but there are many honest people out there that would take the legal route if it were available to them. Not every can easily get to a cinema to watch the latest movie...

+1
Additionally, when I buy DVD's they have loads of crappy adverts before the main film, that annoys me so much I've stopped buying originals and find Pirate copies better for that reason alone.
How dare they fill these DVD's full of adverts when I'm a paying customer, I wouldn't mind if they had them as a menu item or at the end of the film, but not a mandatory clip at the start.


Yeah that too...and most of the time they disable the menu or skip buttons from being used during the adverts so you're kindoff stuck with watching them.

They also need to cut the price of legal downloads, some cost more than they do to buy in the shops. How can running servers cost more than manufacturing and distribution?? they are just trying to rip us off

Is this a joke? While I do agree that movie ticket prices are getting ridiculous, DVD and Bluray movies aren't priced horribly at all. If you hit up Amazon, you can usually get new-release Blurays for under $20. I just bought a Bluray player last month along with 8 Bluray movies including newer released and didn't pay more than $16 for any of them. A few of them were only $10 brand new. Not a big deal.

spenser.d said,
Is this a joke? While I do agree that movie ticket prices are getting ridiculous, DVD and Bluray movies aren't priced horribly at all. If you hit up Amazon, you can usually get new-release Blurays for under $20. I just bought a Bluray player last month along with 8 Bluray movies including newer released and didn't pay more than $16 for any of them. A few of them were only $10 brand new. Not a big deal.


I have never seen a new-release go for under 20 (for dvd) or under 40 (for bluray). Unless its getting close to holiday season.

Also not everyones lives in a place Amazon can ship to. And yes movie ticket prices are getting absurdly high these days. Even with my student discount and off-peak discount, it's like 9.00 a movie here.

/- Razorfold said,
Also not everyones lives in a place Amazon can ship to. And yes movie ticket prices are getting absurdly high these days. Even with my student discount and off-peak discount, it's like 9.00 a movie here.

And still you get ads before the movie, on top of that.

+1 to all points...
They should charge less for movie downloads in MKV format. And those who want to buy Blu-ray DVD's they should reduce the price but definitely it's gonna be higher then downloading movies. Using Amazon is feasible in few countries. In developing countries, even $20 is costly when they are converted to respective currencies. All these things should be considered if they really want to stop piracy.

/- Razorfold said,
I have never seen a new-release go for under 20 (for dvd) or under 40 (for bluray). Unless its getting close to holiday season.

Also not everyones lives in a place Amazon can ship to. And yes movie ticket prices are getting absurdly high these days. Even with my student discount and off-peak discount, it's like 9.00 a movie here.


Well you have to look around then. Harry Potter 6 is typically being sold right now for $16 on Bluray. Watchmen Directors Cut is about the same. The prices have come down. Shop around. I haven't seen a single Bluray anywhere priced above $30 (retail, not sale price) and I've been around to quite a few stores during my Christmas shopping. Also, the majority of the places where people are downloading movies from are places that Amazon ships to. As I stated below, nothing you've said here is a justification for piracy. They're just idiotic excuses for it.

The studios will charge whatever price the market will bear.

The price of a DVD has nothing to do with the cost of making a movie...period.

Notice how all dvds and bluray discs sell in the same price range, whether it's a $20 million comedy or $300 million blockbuster.

/- Razorfold said,
Here's a tip paramount. Stop paying actors and actresses millions of dollars per movie, and then as a result you can stop charging ridiculous prices for DVDs and blueray movies. Maybe you might actually see the number of pirates decrease. Until then, I have no sympathy for anyone in the entertainment business (especially the publishing side of it).

Oh bull-oney.

People will steal if it was $5.

spenser.d said,
Well you have to look around then. Harry Potter 6 is typically being sold right now for $16 on Bluray. Watchmen Directors Cut is about the same. The prices have come down. Shop around. I haven't seen a single Bluray anywhere priced above $30 (retail, not sale price) and I've been around to quite a few stores during my Christmas shopping. Also, the majority of the places where people are downloading movies from are places that Amazon ships to. As I stated below, nothing you've said here is a justification for piracy. They're just idiotic excuses for it.


Right now happens to be the christmas season, so yes everything is on sale. I bought star trek recently from amazon and it cost me 38.49 not including tax and shipping. Also I don't think amazon ships a lot of products to Asia/Australia and stuff.

I'm not trying to justify privacy or claim its right. But if you want some reasons why piracy seems like a better option heres some:

1. You don't have to deal with DRM. Stuff like cd checks, DVD region locks etc existed well before piracy was popular (so you can't blame piracy for it). If I buy a movie, I should dam well be able to make a copy of it incase my disc gets lost/damaged. Companies know the DRM will be removed within like 5 mins of the product being released, but yet they spend millions licensing it (which leads to the customer paying extra) and cramming their products full with it. If I remember correctly, I think Sony is trying to bring region locks back with bluray discs.

2. Like someone already mentioned, with DVDs you have to sit through ads that you often can't skip. Why should I have to watch ads, when I just paid for the product?

3. Believe it or not, DVDs and blurays are overpriced. Yes I know the market price for them is kindoff "fixed" but welcome to capitalism. If you keep willing to pay more, you'll keep getting charged more

4. Staggered international releases of dvds / movies in theaters.

5. A lot of people actually download music / movies to give them a try to see if its worth buying and then actually go ahead and buy it. No statistics exists for these people.

^There some reasons for you. And peter, I know even if you made it 5 dollar some people will still steal it. But a LOT less would.

PeterTHX said,
Oh bull-oney.

People will steal if it was $5.


Says you. I'd actually be a big time movie buyer if movies were $5, I can assure you. I mean, we pay roughly that amount for new releases On Demand, watching from the comfort of our home (24/48hr time limit). If I ever want to see the movie again later on, I can pay what... $2.99 to see it again, since it probably won't be a new release by then? Overall, I'm looking at $8 to enjoy a movie, vs. $10-20 DVDs. TV Series are also a no brainer, since I watched all of Dexter for free having subscribed to Showtime.

Now please explain to me where actually purchasing the physical copy of a movie is actually worth it. I mean, unless you're the type that enjoys watching the same movie 20 times. Honestly, I just don't see it.

As for theaters, the $9 I can put up with. It's the $5 popcorn or $10 nachos that really tick me off. Maybe that's why they say "dinner and a movie", as you're supposed to eat first, so you won't grab something at the theater. :P

/- Razorfold said,
Yeah that too...and most of the time they disable the menu or skip buttons from being used during the adverts so you're kindoff stuck with watching them.

Yeah, that is a gripe of mine as well. At least let me skip them...

You have a choice as a consumer to not buy something that you feel is overpriced. This whole notion that movies are overpriced so i will just steal them isn't right.

You can watch movies with a service like netflix at a reasonable price.

Shadrack said,
You have a choice as a consumer to not buy something that you feel is overpriced. This whole notion that movies are overpriced so i will just steal them isn't right.

You can watch movies with a service like netflix at a reasonable price.


Not buying the mvoies would not make the studio happier than pirating it ;)

The studio don't really care that much about piracy. They care about you not buying their stuffs. Choosing not to buy a movie is as bad for them as pirating it. In fact it's even worse since you don't get to see their products.

Studio will spend truck load of money to make you buy their stuff. DRM, data mining, advertising, etc ...

The sad part is all of this just gives more reason for the average joe to pirate their products.

If you want people to buy your products, and don't be naive this is what studio want, you need to show them a little more respect. You need to work hard for customers money. It doesn't grow in trees like some people from RIAA and MPAA think...

Kaidiir said,
I am quite familiar with every film on that list... but WTF is "RocknRolla"?


Its a Guy Ritchie film. Its ok, but not in the same league as Lock Stock & Snatch.

Kaidiir said,
I am quite familiar with every film on that list... but WTF is "RocknRolla"?

It's a great gangster movie. I liked it a lot.

Of cause we all know what this means, more DRM and other measures in-coming (if the FCC even listen, I'm sure the MPAA will stick their collective noses in too). Why they even bother? pirates don't care because they just rip the DRM out and the people who do the right thing have to deal with the DRM crap, how does this help anyone?

Let's get rid of the ignorance. Piracy is still stealing and it is still wrong whether or not money changes hands. Next time you watch a movie, read the FBI warning. It states this quite clearly.

C_Guy said,
Let's get rid of the ignorance. Piracy is still stealing and it is still wrong whether or not money changes hands. Next time you watch a movie, read the FBI warning. It states this quite clearly.

Why should i read some junk from the FBI? It may surprise you but American law is not global and it NEVER will be.

You was saying something about ignorance .....

detoxa said,
Why should i read some junk from the FBI? It may surprise you but American law is not global and it NEVER will be.

You was saying something about ignorance .....


You mean America isn't the world? I bet quite a few people here would be surprised to hear that :P

C_Guy said,
Let's get rid of the ignorance. Piracy is still stealing and it is still wrong whether or not money changes hands. Next time you watch a movie, read the FBI warning. It states this quite clearly.

"Piracy" is not theft, it is copying. Copying and stealing are completely different words with completely different meanings.

detoxa said,
Why should i read some junk from the FBI? It may surprise you but American law is not global and it NEVER will be.

You was saying something about ignorance .....


Oddly enough, I believe he's Canadian. :P

detoxa said,
Why should i read some junk from the FBI? It may surprise you but American law is not global and it NEVER will be.

You was saying something about ignorance .....


Well, just to give you a heads up, the FBI warrning talks about copyright laws which ARE GLOBAL.

So yeah, you are pretty ignorant.

Also to all the others who say "piracy is not stealing" Maybe you should read up on the word again?

piâ‹...raâ‹...cy  /ˈpaɪrÉ™si/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pahy-ruh-see]

–noun, plural -cies. 1. practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea.
2. the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc.: The record industry is beset with piracy.

pi·ra·cy (pÄ«'rÉ™-sÄ“)
n. pl. pi·ra·cies

1.
a.Robbery committed at sea.

b.A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane.


2.The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.


Now, in what part of the damn world do you all live in where robbory doesn't equal stealing? I really wonder.

C_Guy said,
Let's get rid of the ignorance. Piracy is still stealing and it is still wrong whether or not money changes hands. Next time you watch a movie, read the FBI warning. It states this quite clearly.

excalpius said,
It's called File Sharing, NOT piracy, or bootlegging. No copies are being sold, no profits made, etc.

It IS piracy... LOL

C_Guy said,
Let's get rid of the ignorance. Piracy is still stealing and it is still wrong whether or not money changes hands. Next time you watch a movie, read the FBI warning. It states this quite clearly.


According to dutch law (going to change but still) the downloading of copyrighted material for personal use is not illegal. That's why the dutch pay a surcharge on recording materials, such as dvd's.

Treemonkeys said,
"Piracy" is not theft, it is copying. Copying and stealing are completely different words with completely different meanings.

Whatever you call it, it is wrong.

Growled said,
Whatever you call it, it is wrong.

This. You don't have to word it to know that it's wrong, it's a gut feeling. It's still stealing because you're still taking money out of a person's wallet, but you're doing it in a way that's indirect, and thus has little effect on the conscience on the wrongdoers.

GP007 said,


Well, just to give you a heads up, the FBI warrning talks about copyright laws which ARE GLOBAL.

So yeah, you are pretty ignorant.

Also to all the others who say "piracy is not stealing" Maybe you should read up on the word again?

piâ‹...raâ‹...cy  /ˈpaɪrÉ™si/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pahy-ruh-see]

–noun, plural -cies. 1. practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea.
2. the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc.: The record industry is beset with piracy.

pi·ra·cy (pÄ«'rÉ™-sÄ“)
n. pl. pi·ra·cies

1.
a.Robbery committed at sea.

b.A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane.


2.The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.


Now, in what part of the damn world do you all live in where robbory doesn't equal stealing? I really wonder.


Are you really that ignorant that you fail to realize that anyone can make up their own dictionary and assign whatever meaning they want to any word they choose, especially to further their political agenda. Take the word homophobe, it would normally have meant "fear of same sex". But the meaning was distorted to fit the pro homosexual agenda and given the association of "hate of homosexuals". Liberal media is to blame for this much in the same way "piracy" is being warped into something that it was not formally intended as meaning. Sharing is not piracy, period, nor is it wrong.

I'm curious. Why does it matter WHAT you call it? Why do you not understand you're stealing potential profit? Who are you to say how much the author would have sold had it not been pirated? Can you predict the future? No?

Good, then stop trying to justify why you pirate. Admit it's wrong, and by all means keep doing it (as its your own fault if you get caught), but at least respect yourself enough to know it's wrong, thanks.

Turion said,
Are you really that ignorant that you fail to realize that anyone can make up their own dictionary and assign whatever meaning they want to any word they choose, especially to further their political agenda. Take the word homophobe, it would normally have meant "fear of same sex". But the meaning was distorted to fit the pro homosexual agenda and given the association of "hate of homosexuals". Liberal media is to blame for this much in the same way "piracy" is being warped into something that it was not formally intended as meaning. Sharing is not piracy, period, nor is it wrong.

You're so right, or something.

It's the same with the n-word. It wasn't always considered a pejorative word. But the meaning was distorted to fit the pro-black agenda and given an association with "bigotry" and "racism." Liberal media is partially to blame for this too.

Lawlz.