Manhunt 2 banned again in the UK

Rockstar Games' controversial Manhunt 2 game has been rejected for a second time by the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), despite revisions made after a ban in June.

Rockstar had launched an appeal to the BBFC Video Appeals Committee against that decision, which was suspended while the revised version was considered for classification.

"We recognise that the distributor has made changes to the game, but we do not consider that these go far enough to address our concerns about the original version," said BBFC director David Cooke.

"The impact of the revisions on the bleakness and callousness of tone, or the essential nature of the gameplay, is clearly insufficient.

"There has been a reduction in the visual detail in some of the 'execution kills', but in others they retain their original visceral and casually sadistic nature."

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its the type of game that you turn up the volume to right after youve gotten back from a night out...times when games which you usually see as more pleasant and welcoming , seem mild, boring and complicated...

Banned from playing for whom? Oh, for adults? By adults that think they know better than the others?

Yes, this game banning makes perfect sense.

Okay, some points to clear up:


- The BBFC is not part of the UK government. So don't blame them.

- Its guidelines are based on public consultation. So ... blame everyone else?

- The problem with Manhunt is not how graphic it is, it's the tone of the game. Unrelenting sadism and murder, without good reason. That is why the game is banned.

In general, there is an interesting, and slightly relevant, comparison with the US. US: violence is okay, sex isn't. UK: violence bad, sex okay.

What do you mean with sex being OK in the UK? The sexual theme in games haven't been well explored, and in cases there has been those games, they've used to be OK under both US and UK under an "adult only" classification.

whats wrong with playing a video game that is based around unrelenting sadism and murder without good reason? i mean, lets be honest here. you will kill more sentient life in 3 hours of Halo then you would in the entire first Manhunt game. Your telling me the difference is because in Halo your fighting to save human kind and in manhunt your trying to save your own life? THAT is the root cause of restricting a video games release? I would be more worried about filling our children's minds with ideas of fantasy worlds where plumbers can throw fire and relentless kill walking mushrooms and turtles.

Nose Nuggets said,
whats wrong with playing a video game that is based around unrelenting sadism and murder without good reason? i mean, lets be honest here. you will kill more sentient life in 3 hours of Halo then you would in the entire first Manhunt game. Your telling me the difference is because in Halo your fighting to save human kind and in manhunt your trying to save your own life? THAT is the root cause of restricting a video games release? I would be more worried about filling our children's minds with ideas of fantasy worlds where plumbers can throw fire and relentless kill walking mushrooms and turtles.

Yes, the reasons you gave are EXACTLY why.

Surely you grew up with fairy tales?

Kirkburn said,

Yes, the reasons you gave are EXACTLY why.

Surely you grew up with fairy tales?

not that envolve mass slaughter of living mushrooms, no.

What you perceive as morally correct or incorrect differers greatly from other people. im wondering why you feel your moral views should be infringing on how i live my life. By the same token, i find the color red extremely distracting. it has shown to influence range and anger and i think the world would be a better place if we simply stopped using the color red. same with alcohol. it kills thousands every year and has no benefit to anyone. it would be "common sense" to remove something so volatile from public consumption, don't you think?

Nose Nuggets said,
What you perceive as morally correct or incorrect differers greatly from other people. im wondering why you feel your moral views should be infringing on how i live my life. By the same token, i find the color red extremely distracting. it has shown to influence range and anger and i think the world would be a better place if we simply stopped using the color red. same with alcohol. it kills thousands every year and has no benefit to anyone. it would be "common sense" to remove something so volatile from public consumption, don't you think?

Normally, the moral views of the majority beat those of the minority.

Nose Nuggets said,
What you perceive as morally correct or incorrect differers greatly from other people. im wondering why you feel your moral views should be infringing on how i live my life. By the same token, i find the color red extremely distracting. it has shown to influence range and anger and i think the world would be a better place if we simply stopped using the color red. same with alcohol. it kills thousands every year and has no benefit to anyone. it would be "common sense" to remove something so volatile from public consumption, don't you think?

I think many would argue that alcohol does have benefits. Drinking in moderation is not harmful so why ban it. the majority moral view is important as there is a minority that like violence, child porn etc and this game's sadistic nature is very unhealthy.

bobbba said,

I think many would argue that alcohol does have benefits. Drinking in moderation is not harmful so why ban it. the majority moral view is important as there is a minority that like violence, child porn etc and this game's sadistic nature is very unhealthy.

Exactly! drinking in moderation is not harmful. so why ban it? Just as an adult can handle the responsibility of drinking, or suffer the consiquences. just because your drunk does not give you a get out of jail free card when you break the law. Furthermore, the availability of boose is regulated. All of these points are relevant to video games as well.


minority that like violence? have you stopped and looked at how big the video game business is? and the % of "violent" video games. same with movies. its absolutely NOT a minority who enjoy violent entertainment. Juts because you happen to draw the line at Manhunt 2 and not Saw makes no difference.

how can you claim this games "sadistic nature is unhealthy"? Violence has been around since the dawn of man. people did not start becoming violent when metal music and video games came out. in fact, violent crime among young people is on a downhill run.

And Kirkburn, moral views are moral views. minority or majority is irrelevant. I would say MOST people have a moral objection to Nazi's and neo Nazi's, but we dont hang them in the street or ban them from public gathering's because they have a RIGHT to do so.

Nose Nuggets said,
And Kirkburn, moral views are moral views. minority or majority is irrelevant. I would say MOST people have a moral objection to Nazi's and neo Nazi's, but we dont hang them in the street or ban them from public gathering's because they have a RIGHT to do so.

There's a difference between moral objections and wanting to string someone up. Oddly enough, as distasteful as people find some people's views, they don't want to kill them. They do, however, sometimes get banned from public gatherings.

Kirkburn said,

There's a difference between moral objections and wanting to string someone up. Oddly enough, as distasteful as people find some people's views, they don't want to kill them. They do, however, sometimes get banned from public gatherings.

no they dont, thats illegal. unless it gets violent. but you cant legally break up a peaceful nazi gathering as much as you could break up a peaceful Christian gathering, or KKK gathering.

The BBFC shouldn't concentrate on banning games that are created by people, they should concentrate on enforcing stupid parents buying their kids these clearly violent games, it's pathetic.

retailers need stricter guidelines tho. That's the problem, kids go off with allowance and money they obtain from their family and buy things without their parents, it's a fact of life. The people who SELL the game need to have a far more firm policy in place to prohibit these things from happening.

traxor said,
The BBFC shouldn't concentrate on banning games that are created by people, they should concentrate on enforcing stupid parents buying their kids these clearly violent games, it's pathetic.

They shouldn't ... do their job? You realise their job is to rate games, not enforce the law?

i swear it's people like this that are making the word "freedom" mean less and less. the more we let the governments restrict things the less freedom we have. it's our right to play whatever game we want to. just because certain people take their actions to an extreme and they just happened to play a certain type of game, that game in no way has nothing to do with that persons actions. you always hear about people who do bad things and just so happened to play that certain game, so automatically the game is what caused them to do it, which is an outrage. what about all of those millions of other people who play the exact same game and don't do anything at all? you never hear about that do you. nope!

governments need to grow up and stop sticking their noses in things that they don't belong in. they need to focus on more important stuff like um..... health care, job reform, etc....

also for all you adults out there that think the government should do more. you all need to grow up and learn to "parent" yourself. if you can't control what games your kids should and shouldn't play, or even just want your kids should and shouldn't do in general, then you so called adults have no right to have kids in the first place because your not ready to be parents.

I can tell you my kids wouldn't be allowed to own this game, but there are those parents out there that buy everything for their kids and then blaim the game companies for it. It's just the UK gov't preventing a giant **** storm on their shores and personally i don't blame them for it. Even though i said it should be banned i guess i don't really want it pulled.

But we all know what it's going to come down to, law suits up the wazzoo.

El-Diablo said,
I can tell you my kids wouldn't be allowed to own this game, but there are those parents out there that buy everything for their kids and then blaim the game companies for it. It's just the UK gov't preventing a giant **** storm on their shores and personally i don't blame them for it. Even though i said it should be banned i guess i don't really want it pulled.

But we all know what it's going to come down to, law suits up the wazzoo.


soon as your kids turn 18, what you say means absolutely nothing, not a damm thing

n_K said,

soon as your kids turn 18, what you say means absolutely nothing, not a damm thing


that's when they're 18, i might even let them play that game earlier, but if i don't think my kids are ready to deal with mature content like that they aren't going to play.

And i can tell you in the family that i was raised in and the family that my Fiance was raised in, our children will be very respectful of their parents and what they are told.

El-Diablo said,
And i can tell you in the family that i was raised in and the family that my Fiance was raised in, our children will be very respectful of their parents and what they are told.

even so, once they are 18, you have no say in what they do, who they meet or have any control over anything they do, thats the same with nearly every parent / carer unless the child has problems in which a court order will keep the parent or carer in control

n_K said,

even so, once they are 18, you have no say in what they do, who they meet or have any control over anything they do, thats the same with nearly every parent / carer unless the child has problems in which a court order will keep the parent or carer in control

and i didn't dispute that. I agree with you. All i AM saying is that my children key being CHILDREN will not be allowed to play that kind of game.

i really don't have an issue with this one being banned. I'm all for free speech and freedom of expression, and i know people are going to say i'm a hypocrite for saying this but this game is nothing more than gross use of those freedoms.

I'm glad the UK is stepping up on this one.

I normally would tend to agree with the whole "don't let your kids buy it" but they always find a way to buy these things without their parents permission or the parents don't open their eyes and yeah.

I just think it needs to be gone.

i really don't have an issue with this one being banned. I'm all for free speech and freedom of expression, and i know people are going to say i'm a hypocrite for saying this but this game is nothing more than gross use of those freedoms.

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I think people should be given the choice. you don't agree with it or want children to play it, then don't let them buy it. And the rest of us who do want to play it (those rare non-mass murdering types who never appear in the papers, ordinary people) can.

if you don't like it, don't buy it, but if you want to play it, you can

Coldgunner said,
I think people should be given the choice. you don't agree with it or want children to play it, then don't let them buy it.
if you don't like it, don't buy it, but if you want to play it, you can

Ring-a-ding, we have a winner, unlike the guy that posted above.

Croquant said,
Ja, Mein Herr. Ve will burn all ze books you consider "Disgusting." Seig HEIL!

:ermm:


Both communist *and* facist comparisons, eh? That's quite a combo.