Mark Cuban drops iPhone 5 in favor of Windows Phone 8, says it kicks ass

Mark Cuban, the outspoken billionaire who is on Shark Tank, owns the Dallas Mavericks and is a renowned entrepreneur, says that he recently has dropped the iPhone 5 in favor of Windows Phone in an AMA on Reddit. Despite dropping the iPhone, Cuban is till a fan of Apple products including the Macbook Air and the iPad but also stated that Windows Phone 8 (and Android) kick the iPhones ass.

While we do not know the sales of Windows Phone 8 at this stage in the game, the organic backing of Mark Cuban will certainly be a welcomed face to the Windows Phone fanclub. Cuban was asked during the Reddit AMA what technology he uses and we have posted his response below.

It's clear by his statements that he thinks both Android and Windows Phone are far better than the iPhone 5. Seeing as thousands (if not more) look to Cuban's direction after his financial success, this is a significant win for Microsoft and Nokia.

While Cuban does not state which phone he is using, we would hedge that it is the Lumia 920 and his statement also highlights the Samsung Galaxy S3 too.

For Microsoft and Nokia, they should be thrilled to hear the news as Cuban has considerable clout in the market-space and seeing that thousands will read this AMA, they just got a huge brand endorsement for a product that is pivotal to both companies future.

Source: Reddit

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before bashing mr cuban and stating he doesnt know much about electronics, id recommend you read up on his background. I understand a few of you probably only know of him because of sports, mainly the mavericks, but please read up on him before doubting his claims and opinions.

Not too fond of the storage on the N920, I've a 64gb iPhone and its around 80% full, shame the Windows phones don't have bigger storage.

Mark Cuban is a tool, watch him sometime he is all talk and doesn't have any insight into anything. You know why the iPhone sells well? It works. It doesn't do 500 things poorly it does 100 things well. For anyone who wants a phone because its cool or you need something phresh or because you have ADD get another phone, windows 8 is the perfect example of doing a Reno on your house and choosing purple toilets only in 5 years look rediculous, don't reinvent the wheel improve on it.

This is what it has come down to? Suddenly innovation is called reinventing and Apple is being praised for not doing it? This is basically the argument Windows fanboys have been using up to Windows 7. I like Windows 7 because it was the best version of desktop Windows but I wouldn't praise Microsoft for not reinventing it.

There needs to be constant innovation otherwise the competition will move past you. For years Microsoft held back the desktop PC by not innovating. Thankfully Apple forced their hand and Microsoft had to start innovating. You might not like Lumia 920 for personal use but devices like it will force Apple to innovate.

For starters, I wouldn't be suprised if more of those static icons on iOS suddenly become a bit dynamic.

Windows 7 was a home run because it was clean, user friendly and beautiful, evolutionary. Windows 8 is the social awkward nerd, might be brilliant but can't hold a conversation and has terrible hygiene, not to mention was beat with an ugly stick repeatedly.

the iphone sells because of apples following, the iphones timed has long come and gone to anyone with any sort of technology knowledge, to those who want to be in and hip the iphone is there for them, anyone with a brain sees other systems offer much more than anything apple can offer.

Neowin is sounding really desperate at the moment. First an article defending the fact Windows 8's sales haven't been record-setting, then a whole article on some guy saying that he's switched phones on Reddit?

Come on guys, try to keep it classy.

iKenndac said,
Neowin is sounding really desperate at the moment. First an article defending the fact Windows 8's sales haven't been record-setting, then a whole article on some guy saying that he's switched phones on Reddit?

Come on guys, try to keep it classy.

Change the record dude.

How is the iPhone 5 better because of Google Maps? The iPhone hasn't been revolutionary in YEARS. Its boring, and so stale compared to WP and Android. This is coming from someone who has every iPhone, including the 5, to the new Lumia 920. The 920 is a solid phone, and definitely refreshing. So glad I made the switch!

I know a lot of people dropped android for the iphone 5. It's better phone it just got bad press because of the maps issue. But with google maps it really is pretty good. All phones are pretty equal at this point. Android or iphone is simple not best platform anymore.

I really love WP7/8 but I hate the forceful Bing integration for web searches because in Italy it's just a rebranded live search with unbelievably poor quality results. The moment they let the users pick the search engine/start rolling out the new Bing search to other countries and that the manufacturers start pricing their phones properly (300€, a price higher than a Nexus for an HTC 8S with 512mb of ram and 4GB of integrated memory are a joke) I'll start recommending it to everybody.

So should Microsoft integrate Google instead? Do you even think before you talk? Can't see that I could switch Google for Bing in Android either.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
So should Microsoft integrate Google instead? Do you even think before you talk? Can't see that I could switch Google for Bing in Android either.

Then tell me... what search engine does WP8 uses in Russia? Bing? Not even close, they use Yandex. They've already done a compromise in a country where their search engine was already terrible, I don't see why they couldn't make another and let the users pick the search engine like you could on older phones like Symbian ones also I'm talking only about the search results, not maps or other features that are still passable. Anyway, until you try using the italian Bing and understand how poor quality it is you won't understand how deal-breaking that feature can become so it's pointless to argue about it.

Edited by francescob, Dec 24 2012, 7:05pm :

Easy. Nokia does not own an Search engine, you can't compare it with Symbian.

Using Yandex in Russia was MS's decision. Yandex is used more in Russia than Google and Bing compined and therefor MS just did them (Russians) a favor. On other markets MS still tries to capture marketshare and it doesn't make any sense to switch.

Also I don't use the Bing search on my WP, I use the browser to type in google.com if I need something fast, aint that hard. But asking MS to switch the primary WINDOWS Phone search to Google is f**** retarded.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Easy. Nokia does not own an Search engine, you can't compare it with Symbian.

Nokia doesn't own a search engine but they made deals with local search engines as an income source (that are set as default) but they never forced the choice on users. I'm pretty sure iOS and (I don't know if they removed it) also Android allow changing the search engine too so I don't really see the huge drama in adding an option for using something else, it's just a web search not some futuristic rocket science, right now the search except for weather and a few other things it's almost unusable in some countries, it's more an hindrance than a feature.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Also I don't use the Bing search on my WP, I use the browser to type in google.com if I need something fast, aint that hard. But asking MS to switch the primary WINDOWS Phone search to Google is f**** retarded.

I said to let the users pick the search engine, not to put Google, why do you have to put words never said into other people's mouth? I know you can search Google or install the Google Search application but having an dedicated hardware button that is locked to a search engine whose results in your country are of arguably very low quality is quite irritating.

Oh now we're back to this "MS is forcing this and that".

For Christ sake, grow the **** up. It's their OS, they can do what ever they seem appropirate with it, if you don't like it use another one or build your own and use porntube as your primary search as far as I care.

But thankfully it's pointless to argue with you. Bing is crap here aswell, that's why I don't use it. But at least I don't expect two rival companies to give away marketshare just because of good faith.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Oh now we're back to this "MS is forcing this and that".

For Christ sake, grow the **** up. It's their OS, they can do what ever they seem appropirate with it, if you don't like it use another one or build your own and use porntube as your primary search as far as I care.

Maybe it's you that should grow up since you turned a civilized discussion into a flame with statements like "Do you even think before you talk?" and "asking MS to switch the primary WINDOWS Phone search to Google is f**** retarded". Is disliking a feature for arguably very good reasons that offensive to you?

Offensive? No, I don't get offended on the Internet. It just doesn't fit in my head why do people think that multi-billion dollar companies should give away marketshare (the little pieces that MS has on the search market anyway) for no good reason. No, it's not a good reason just because people don't like 1 thing about the phone, sorry, it's not the way it works. I don't like hangovers but still drink, should I go complain now to remove the next day hangovers from the drinks and then drink water instead? No. If I don't want that hangover I'll drink milk the night before. You should do the same with the phone, don't like the bing integration? Use Android, iOS or Symbian.

Like I said, I don't use Bing as it's crap, I use google for search and Yahoo for stock quotes both on my phones (Lumia 800 and Galaxy S2) and on my PC. There are things I dislike about the WP and I've already found solutions to them, there are also things I don't like about Androids, fixed them aswell. Don't wait for MS to do anything about it, they won't, there are ROMs out there that let you chose your own Search engine, be it google, yahoo or what ever you got closest for you.

Edited by uMadRabbit, Dec 24 2012, 8:53pm :

I agree with coffee break, why would MS integrate google in their window phone. At the same time, Google release their apps in window apps store so I don't see a problem there. If having bing is such a deal breaker, the choice is android.

francescob said,
I really love WP7/8 but I hate the forceful Bing integration for web searches because in Italy it's just a rebranded live search with unbelievably poor quality results. The moment they let the users pick the search engine/start rolling out the new Bing search to other countries and that the manufacturers start pricing their phones properly (300€, a price higher than a Nexus for an HTC 8S with 512mb of ram and 4GB of integrated memory are a joke) I'll start recommending it to everybody.

I've got to agree here, I want to like Bing and mostly do, but time and time again I simply can't find what I need and revert to google. I'm UK based and am getting utterly sick and tired of new Bing features/news only applying to the US!

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Offensive? No, I don't get offended on the Internet. It just doesn't fit in my head why do people think that multi-billion dollar companies should give away marketshare (the little pieces that MS has on the search market anyway) for no good reason.

Like I said, I don't use Bing as it's crap, I use google for search and Yahoo for stock quotes both on my phones (Lumia 800 and Galaxy S2) and on my PC. There are things I dislike about the WP and I've already found solutions to them, there are also things I don't like about Androids, fixed them aswell. Don't wait for MS to do anything about it, they won't, there are ROMs out there that let you chose your own Search engine, be it google, yahoo or what ever you got closest for you.

I never said I was expecting them to do anything I didn't even said they should do anything for that matter, I only said that until they find a solution that remains a pretty big issue for me. I mentioned two possible solutions that were entirely reasonable all of which completely neutral since I didn't even mention which search engines so I don't really think there was the need to make such a big fuss about it. If Apple or even Google allow you to set the search engine on android I don't see why it would be so irrational or earth-shattering if Microsoft added such an option. It's not true that there is no good reason for them to offer an alternative: isn't improving the consumer satisfaction with the platform a valid reason?

The consumer satisfaction is just a fancy way of saying "We need a search engine ballot screen now" and for me, no it ain't valid but that's just me.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Oh now we're back to this "MS is forcing this and that".

For Christ sake, grow the **** up. It's.

um, grow up? He's not the one having a hissy fit about letting a user choose google as their provider.. you know, just like MS lets you do in IE.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

For Christ sake, grow the **** up. It's their OS, they can do what ever they seem appropirate with it, if you don't like it use another one or build your own and use porntube as your primary search as far as I care. <----- This!!!!!!


alwaysonacoffebreak said,
The consumer satisfaction is just a fancy way of saying "We need a search engine ballot screen now" and for me, no it ain't valid but that's just me.

I didn't mean anything near that, only an option that lets you choose what search engine to use for web searches that would make the dedicated search button far more usable for me and very likely many other users. OK, Microsoft has its own search engine market share to care about but is it really worth the frustration of many non-american users especially when almost every other phone lets you set whatever search engine you want? If only revenues mattered then by that logic even a dedicated self-destruct button would be justifiable as well because, you know, once you accidentally self-destruct your phone you'd have to pay to buy another.

Vlad Dudau said,
<----- This!!!!!!

Sorry but since when has every valid, rational criticism had to start being met with a "YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DON'T USE IT" statement. Did you miss the part where I said I really love WP7/8? Are you telling me you absolutely blindly love Windows Phone so much you don't see any shortcoming or any questionable choices worth mentioning?

Bullsh*t. Even in WP7.8, which I'm using already on my Lumia 710, you can easily switch between Bing and Google in IE preferences.

bviktor said,
Bullsh*t. Even in WP7.8, which I'm using already on my Lumia 710, you can easily switch between Bing and Google in IE preferences.

Bullsh*t my ass. If it lets you switch it's because you have a branded phone and the carrier you are using (T-Mobile?) has customized your phone to use another search engine (carriers can customize the IE homepage and search engine among other things). If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be dozens of guides about unlocking the phone to change the search provider.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
It's their OS, they can do what ever they seem appropirate with it,

its you that meed to grow up, they need yo put "what people want" onto it otherwise people wont buy it.

Pretty much the same as Windows 8 is failing on the desktop/laptop because people want a start button and a mouse, and not a juvenile bunch of Metro boxes that fill a touch screen and a shop so Microsoft can sell more apps.

I was hanging out to buy a Lumia 920, but if I can't change the search engine to google, I won't be buying it.

@Francescob: although the main search button on the WP is dedicated to Bing, you can change the seach engine in IE for seaching using IE. I have a 920 and I have my IE set to use google for searching. It would be nice to be able to program the front search button, but there is a work around available.

Just pin the site for your desired search engine to your start screen. Problem solved.

groveplace said,
@Francescob: although the main search button on the WP is dedicated to Bing, you can change the seach engine in IE for seaching using IE. I have a 920 and I have my IE set to use google for searching. It would be nice to be able to program the front search button, but there is a work around available.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
So should Microsoft integrate Google instead? Do you even think before you talk? Can't see that I could switch Google for Bing in Android either.

Settle down champ. The guy made a competent post about why he doesn't want to move to WP and you lay in to him like he spat on your child.

groveplace said,
@Francescob: although the main search button on the WP is dedicated to Bing, you can change the seach engine in IE for seaching using IE. I have a 920 and I have my IE set to use google for searching. It would be nice to be able to program the front search button, but there is a work around available.

The discussion was about the dedicated button, the browser search is a completely different matter. Some phones allow changing the browser search engine but it's ONLY because they have been customized by the manufacturer or the operator: for example another WP8 phone, the HTC 8S, does not allow that so it's not a Microsoft practice. Anyway changing the search engine in IE is quite useless when you have the official Google application that loads instantly and has all those nice additional features, as I already said you can just use that instead. The issue is the dedicated button not being customizable: unless you live in America or in a few other countries where Bing was actually improved and not turned into a rebranded MSN/Live search using the dedicated key for search yields very few useful results. This is certainly not something to be turned in a drama but still something that can be quite infuriating since it's a major WP feature that hasn't ever been usable.

francescob said,
... they use Yandex.

Don't confuse carrier firmware modifications with default configurations. The Italian carriers are too cheap/inept to modify the configurations adequately. So, blame the carriers and hardware manufacturers.

Nas said,

Don't confuse carrier firmware modifications with default configurations. The Italian carriers are too cheap/inept to modify the configurations adequately. So, blame the carriers and hardware manufacturers.

As far as I know that is not a carrier modification but rather Microsoft making a deal with Yandex to bind the whole dedicated search button to the Yandex application also I don't see why I should blame the carrier when it's Microsoft that doesn't let the users directly set their search engine. In Italy all phones are still available unbranded/unsubsidized so I don't think locking myself for 30 months in a contract with all the annoying warranty issues just to have Google on an horribly branded phone (and only on the arguably useless web search) could be called a solution anyway.

I'd have to agree with him. The iPhone is just plain stagnant (has been for a long long time), but it still works for most consumers, so just use whatever you like.

I have been contemplating doing this for a few weeks now. Although I'm not sure which W8 phone to go for. I like my iPhone 5, but I am running Windows 8 now and I just like the idea of having one OS throughout my tech.

wanna go for the best? Lumia 920
Something diferent? HTC 8X
A little more simple but still top of the line? Lumia 820, 810, 822 or HTC 8S

Played with both the 920 and the 8X in a local shop and left with an 8X.
Don;t get me wrong, both are amazing phones, but the 8X just felt so much sexier in the hand

For a flagship product, Apple's really been letting the iPhone get stale (in tons of areas -- features, design, etc). Can't say I disagree with Cuban.

Jose_49 said,
The problem has been more with iOS rather than the phone itself.

I agree. The iPhone is a solid design. The software though is what's lacking.

dead.cell said,

I agree. The iPhone is a solid design. The software though is what's lacking.

Do keep in mind that the software design was built to accentuate the hardware design. The moment the sw needs exceed the hw's design inclinations, then the hw's design is no longer suitable.

Nas said,

Do keep in mind that the software design was built to accentuate the hardware design. The moment the sw needs exceed the hw's design inclinations, then the hw's design is no longer suitable.

Well, I don't think so at all and certainly Jony Ive doesn't either.

GS:ios

Anthony Tosie said,
For a flagship product, Apple's really been letting the iPhone get stale (in tons of areas -- features, design, etc). Can't say I disagree with Cuban.


I dont see good things for apple now that jobs is dead.

Eh, I was really excited about Windows Phone until I got my Android phone. Really happy with it, and the fact that I was able to get SwiftKey which makes the transition from iOS much easier, considering how friggin terrible the Android keyset is by default.

Thankfully, there was an app for that.

I like Windows Phone's keyboard, but my point is that I'm happy on Android so I don't really have motivation at all to change. And SwiftKey doesn't suck, as I was spoiled by iOS's keyboard accuracy and autocorrect for the longest time.

This thing has already learned my workout routine as well, so when I'm at the gym, pull up Evernote, I just type "Squ" and it finishes with "Squats: " and predicts my warmup routine, as well as regular lifting numbers. I barely even type.

dead.cell said,
I'm happy on Android so I don't really have motivation at all to change.

That's nice. Want a biscuit?