Meeting Over OOXML Descends into Chaos

According to sources close to the situation, a closed-door meeting hosted by the ISO in Geneva to hammer out a consensus on whether a Microsoft document format should become an international standard descended into near chaos this week. Although the event was supposed to help ISO members address concerns that prevented them from approving the document format as an ISO standard in September (MS lacked a two-thirds majority), the ballot resolution meeting soon became bogged down in bureaucracy as the delegates struggled with more than a thousand points of order, as well as the 6,000 pages of code that define Microsoft's Office Open XML (OOXML) format.

"They spent an entire day discussing how they would go about the process. With the massive amount of work they have to do, most are frustrated that they spent 20 percent of their time determining how they were going to vote," said one source. "There just is not enough time to cover the large number of problems in the document. I believe that a lot of the nations are frustrated with the process in general."

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Ok
I'll register some "Opennest and Best Foundation".
Then I'll create "Open Best Documet Format" (.obdf) with 1 page specification: "Put you document into the .obdf file." and run to the ISO.

All signatures so far: 85133 (Petition against OOXML).
MS does not have support from people, it looks that in the future MS is going to loose even more frequently.

6,000 pages of code that define Microsoft's Office Open XML (OOXML) format

It's insane, i don't want to be forced for a certification just for read a lousy xml.

i support microsoft but i do agree that an open format should be made by an open format foundation because it would be more ideal to give the format and it's development to an association of developers who work on the OPEN foundation ethics and morals and not bureaucratic foundation like microsoft work on and believe in with not only formats but their products.

Not saying I love Microsoft or anything, but with so much arguing by the ISO just over the process of how they're going to vote, is it any wonder that Microsoft has tended in the past to just go ahead and create formats that become the de facto standards rather than worrying overmuch about getting the official okiedokies from groups like the ISO?

All this does is make the ISO look like some large bureaucratic cluster**** that wouldn't know how to do things efficiently if it tried.

(Angel Blue01 said @ #1)
They should just all vote no...

Vote no, then go home, see simple :)

And how does that resolve the issues that the meeting is intended to resolve? Oh, that's right, we go our separate ways, and forever stay in the dark ages.

At least somebody's trying.

(_dandy_ said @ #3.1)

And how does that resolve the issues that the meeting is intended to resolve? Oh, that's right, we go our separate ways, and forever stay in the dark ages.

At least somebody's trying.

The obvious outcome is to deny MS the application. The ooxml is NOT usable within all OSes and Productivity suites so it falls short of meeting the requirements of an Open Standard or Format

(z0phi3l said @ #3.2)

The obvious outcome is to deny MS the application. The ooxml is NOT usable within all OSes and Productivity suites so it falls short of meeting the requirements of an Open Standard or Format


Your predicate is incorrect. You failed logic.

(The Walker said @ #2)
Any standards newly adopted sould be open sourced.. FULL STOP.

I'd enjoy this too, but I would settle for any formats newly adopted being open-sourced.

(The Walker said @ #2)
Any standards newly adopted sould be open sourced.. FULL STOP.

What do you mean by "open sourced standards"?

Is it me or Open­® Source™ ©OSI 2006 makes some modifications in peoples' brains?

(rpgfan said @ #2.1)

I'd enjoy this too, but I would settle for any formats newly adopted being open-sourced.

I said what I meant to say, not what you think I meant.

I don't care what the final format is as long as the standards that describe that format are dictated by open sourced coding.

(xml said @ #1.1)
Groklaw is just a bunch of open sauce trolls / microsoft haters

It's Microsoft's fault that everyone hates them. Do you see people hating Google, or Apple, or Linux? No (other than only the most deranged MS fanboys), because those companies don't bother anyone, they don't try to screw over their customers. Google doesn't even charge anything for using it, and Linux is free. Windows can't compete with that, so instead MS uses sabotage and bribery to get an advantage. Why do *we* have to pay for Microsoft's mediocrity?

What business does MS even have attacking Google and Yahoo, or ODF? It doesn't, MS has no justification, MS is doing it solely for their own benefit, not for the benefit of consumers or because it's a better format. It's a format that is designed primarily to benefit Microsoft and its Office-Windows-Live monopoly, therefore it should not be an ISO standard.

I think the fact that OOXML is 6,000 pages should tell you that it's another MS cluster**** in the making. That kind of bug-ridden, convoluted, bureaucratic crap can stay with MS products, we don't need MS ruining everyone else's products with it.

(toadeater said @ #1.2)
Do you see people hating Google, or Apple, or Linux? No (other than only the most deranged MS fanboys), because those companies don't bother anyone, they don't try to screw over their customers.

Just hilarious.