Messages won't be available to OS X Lion users after beta

On Thursday, Apple announced its plans for Mountain Lion, the next major OS X update for Mac users. One of the new features in Mountain Lion will be Messages, a new chat program that is designed to replace the current iChat application. Apple surprised Mac users when it decided to release a public beta of Messages immediately for users of the current OS X version, Lion

However, Lion users might want to get their fill of Messages while they can. According to a report on the French language web site Consomac, the beta version of Messages will no longer work for Lion users once the beta program is completed and Mountain Lion is officially released later this summer.

The web site says it went into the source code for Messages and discovered a note that is scheduled to appear for Lion users when Mountain Lion is officially launched:

Thank you for participating in the Messages Beta program. With the inclusion of Messages in OS X Mountain Lion, the Messages Beta program has ended. To continue using Messages, please visit the Mac App Store and purchase OS X Mountain Lion.

Obviously, this move by Apple won't make current OS X Lion users very happy. Indeed, it seems strange to offer up a stand alone version of Message for Lion users only to take that version away from them once Mountain Lion has been released. Keep in mind that a number of older Mac PCs won't be able to run Mountain Lion which means that those users who enjoy Messages won't even be able to use it even if they wanted to get the Mountain Lion upgrade.

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It's not like Apple hasn't done this before, I can remember they did a similar thing with Boot Camp Assistant where users using the Beta on Tiger had to upgrade to Leopard in order to continue using it.

randomloser said,
It's not like Apple hasn't done this before, I can remember they did a similar thing with Boot Camp Assistant where users using the Beta on Tiger had to upgrade to Leopard in order to continue using it.

That's different - you just had to shell out the money to upgrade the software. Now, the owners of [perfectly working] older Macs have to fork over the money for new HARDWARE.

thetombraider said,

That's different - you just had to shell out the money to upgrade the software. Now, the owners of [perfectly working] older Macs have to fork over the money for new HARDWARE.

Let them eat cake!

thetombraider said,

That's different - you just had to shell out the money to upgrade the software. Now, the owners of [perfectly working] older Macs have to fork over the money for new HARDWARE.


Apple is no stranger to that either. They dropped support for macs without firewire ports in 10.4, dropped support for G3/G4 machines which were slower than 867Mhz in 10.5. I could go on but I think I've made my point.

.Neo said,

Nobody is being forced to upgrade.

Unless you wasn't the new messaging program... But its ok to artificially remove features, its just not ok if you are microsoft and removing depreciated code.

.Neo said,

Nobody is being forced to upgrade.

Sure you're being forced to upgrade. That's how it works with Apple.

Enron said,

Sure you're being forced to upgrade. That's how it works with Apple.

For years, "The Microsoft Tax" was the rallying cry of many people that were Apple/OSS fans. Everyone was forced to pay the Microsoft Tax to get the latest features in Office or Windows. Just yesterday, NeoWin's biggest - I don't want to call him Apple fanboy, because that would be a disservice to Apple fanboys (let alone fans) everywhere - was complaining because he could not upgrade to IE9 on WinXP.

But now we see Apple enabling Messages on the current version of the OS, but the next version is the only version will allow it to run. IE9 relied upon APIs in Vista/Win7, and there is no reason why they will not allow Messages on Leopard/SL since it is currently enabled, but that is OK in the eyes of the Apple fanboy. Lion will only run on current hardware; my C2D Mac Mini will not run it, but they complained about 8 year old video graphics hardware did not have drivers on Vista ship day. 3 year old printers that worked on Panther but not Leopard, no probelm, you should want to upgrade to the latest and greatest.

It is fun watching the people who would wait for every Microsoft announcement as an opportunity to slam the company. But when Apple makes the same exact announcement, they try to make excuses for the very actons they once, and still do, condemn, saying that it is OK because their sales show that people have no problem with it even though the competition vastly outsels them.

nohone said,

For years, "The Microsoft Tax" was the rallying cry of many people that were Apple/OSS fans. Everyone was forced to pay the Microsoft Tax to get the latest features in Office or Windows. Just yesterday, NeoWin's biggest - I don't want to call him Apple fanboy, because that would be a disservice to Apple fanboys (let alone fans) everywhere - was complaining because he could not upgrade to IE9 on WinXP.

But now we see Apple enabling Messages on the current version of the OS, but the next version is the only version will allow it to run. IE9 relied upon APIs in Vista/Win7, and there is no reason why they will not allow Messages on Leopard/SL since it is currently enabled, but that is OK in the eyes of the Apple fanboy. Lion will only run on current hardware; my C2D Mac Mini will not run it, but they complained about 8 year old video graphics hardware did not have drivers on Vista ship day. 3 year old printers that worked on Panther but not Leopard, no probelm, you should want to upgrade to the latest and greatest.

It is fun watching the people who would wait for every Microsoft announcement as an opportunity to slam the company. But when Apple makes the same exact announcement, they try to make excuses for the very actons they once, and still do, condemn, saying that it is OK because their sales show that people have no problem with it even though the competition vastly outsels them.


+1

Enron said,

Sure you're being forced to upgrade. That's how it works with Apple.


Just like Windows 7 users are being forced to upgrade to Windows 8 in order to run the latest generation of (Metro) apps.

nohone said,
But now we see Apple enabling Messages on the current version of the OS, but the next version is the only version will allow it to run.

Could very well be that it ends up in the App Store, just like FaceTime did for OS X Snow Leopard...

nohone said,
3 year old printers that worked on Panther but not Leopard, no probelm, you should want to upgrade to the latest and greatest.

You're telling us you had an Apple printer?

You can complain all you want about this, and you're right, but let's not pretend these things don't happen on Windows as well. If HP, Canon etc. decide to drop your hardware there's very little Microsoft or Apple can do about that. My (at the time) 2-year old printer never worked properly on Windows Vista or 7 either. Did I blame Microsoft? Of course not. The printer manufacturer, after all, is responsible for updating the drivers. No idea whatsoever why you're blaming Apple for this.

OS X Panther and OS X Lion are a world apart and as such the latter needs updated drivers, something you don't seem to realize.

nohone said,
It is fun watching the people who would wait for every Microsoft announcement as an opportunity to slam the company.

The only thing funny here is you trying to blame Apple because your third-party printer won't work on the latest OS X version anymore.

Edited by .Neo, Feb 18 2012, 2:04pm :

.Neo said,

You can complain all you want about this, and you're right, but let's not pretend these things don't happen on Windows as well. If HP, Canon etc. decide to drop your hardware there's very little Microsoft or Apple can do about that. My (at the time) 2-year old printer never worked properly on Windows Vista or 7 either. Did I blame Microsoft? Of course not. The printer manufacturer, after all, is responsible for updating the drivers. No idea whatsoever why you're blaming Apple for this.

I am not saying this doesn't happen on Windows. What I am saying is that when very old hardware is no longer supported (or is not supported on launch, but is at a later date), the Apple crowd is up in arms - how could Microsoft just let their older OSes not be supported. Even though, as you state, it is the 3rd party companies that do not support it. But when something is not supported by Apple, either 3rd party or 1st party, eh, don't worry about it, you should be happy to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Besides, it helps Apple's bottom line, and that is all that is important, is it not?

.Neo said,

OS X Panther and OS X Lion are a world apart and as such the latter needs updated drivers, something you don't seem to realize.

I realize it very well. XP and Vista were worlds apart. There was a different driver model, just as in the different versions of Apple's OS (BTW, remember all those claims of OS X not needing drivers? Apple even made commercials about it). It is, however, just another example Apple fanboys would scream about something they did not know. They complained about drivers not in Vista on ship. The main complaint surrounded the ATI Radeon 9800, even though they are supported on Vista and Win7, 32 and 64 bit even today.

.Neo said,

The only thing funny here is you trying to blame Apple because your third-party printer won't work on the latest OS X version anymore.

As I said, my complaint is with the Apple fanboys (and even Apple its self in their commercials) who attack Microsoft and now overlook or even praise those very same actions when it involves Apple. Microsoft does not support software such as IE9, developer tools, etc. on a 10+ year old OS, they are evil. Apple does not support software such as Messages (you claim it may be available on the store, but this very article says otherwise) or their developer tools on a year old OS, and that is OK. Microsoft's latest OS (Win7) does not run perfect on 6 year old hardware, it is bloated and sloppy programming. Apple's to be released OS does not run at all on 4 year old hardware, just buy a new computer.

And yes, I am mad about it. I have a few programs I have written that are on the App store right now. They are not large sellers (actually, they do not sell, I give them away for free) and they only target a small segment of the market. But they are liked, and well reviewed. But Apple has a habit of not allowing their dev tools to run on the previous generation of OS. So once Lion is released and XCode no longer is supported on SL, my users are not getting updates. My C2D Mac Mini cannot be upgraded to Lion, and I will not buy another Mac just because Apple will not allow me to update my 3 1/2 year old Mac. Maybe I will update it to Win7, I know then it will work.

You can be upset about Messages not running on OS X Lion all you want, but let's not pretend Microsoft makes the updated apps of their latest Windows version available to older ones. Never mind Internet Explorer 9 running on Windows XP, where's Windows Media Player 12 for Vista? If you want it you'll have to upgrade to Windows 7.

The latest Xcode versions are being updated to make use of the new frameworks present in the latest OS X release. Obviously it isn't going to run on older releases. You claiming your Core 2 Duo Mac mini won't run OS X Lion is simply not true. Every Core 2 Duo Mac is supported. Hell, the OS X Lion upgrade page clearly states:

"Make sure your Mac can run Lion. Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, or Xeon processor to run Lion. Find out if your current Mac has one of these processors by clicking the Apple icon at the top left of your screen, then choosing About This Mac."

Beyond that I honestly have no idea what you rambling on about. Especially the part about fanboys. Who cares about those really?

.Neo said,
You can be upset about Messages not running on OS X Lion all you want, but let's not pretend Microsoft makes the updated apps of their latest Windows version available to older ones. Never mind Internet Explorer 9 running on Windows XP, where's Windows Media Player 12 for Vista? If you want it you'll have to upgrade to Windows 7.

The latest Xcode versions are being updated to make use of the new frameworks present in the latest OS X release. Obviously it isn't going to run on older releases. You claiming your Core 2 Duo Mac mini won't run OS X Lion is simply not true. Every Core 2 Duo Mac is supported. Hell, the OS X Lion upgrade page clearly states:

"Make sure your Mac can run Lion. Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, or Xeon processor to run Lion. Find out if your current Mac has one of these processors by clicking the Apple icon at the top left of your screen, then choosing About This Mac."

Beyond that I honestly have no idea what you rambling on about. Especially the part about fanboys. Who cares about those really?

I know, I know, ignore everything I wrote because it does not fit into your "Apple is perfect world.

I bought my Mac Mini in June 2008, less than 4 years ago. It has an Intel GMA 950 graphics chip. According to tuaw, any computer with an Intel GMA graphics chip is not supported. So my Mac Mini is not supported.

As for dev tools, I can run Visual Studio 2010, the latest version on XP, Vista, or Win7. And I can develop for all those OSes using that same tool set. Obviously I cannot test Win7 specific features on XP, but I can still run VS on all those OSes. Apple cant seem to figure out how to allow running on older versions of their software. Microsoft figured out how to distribute different libraries and have them hook into the OS properly, why cant Apple? After all, Obj-C is a late bound programming language, if it tries to pass a message to an object and the method does not exist, itthrows an error. Distribute libraries for new OSes, ship the old ones, let developers choose the package and it works! But Apple uses their laziness to squeeze a few more bucks out of everyone by forcing an upgrade of OS and for some like myself, a whole new computer.

nohone said,
I know, I know, ignore everything I wrote because it does not fit into your "Apple is perfect world.

Face it all you want to do is rant about a billion different things at once and for others to validate it. Everyone who doesn't agree with every single word you say is automatically called a fanboy.

nohone said,
I bought my Mac Mini in June 2008, less than 4 years ago. It has an Intel GMA 950 graphics chip. According to tuaw, any computer with an Intel GMA graphics chip is not supported. So my Mac Mini is not supported.

You were blabbing on about how OS X Lion doesn't run on your Mac mini which is nonsense. Your exact words were: "My C2D Mac Mini cannot be upgraded to Lion". If you keep denying your Core 2 Duo Mac mini can run OS X Lion I have nothing left to discuss with you.

nohone said,
As for dev tools, I can run Visual Studio 2010, the latest version on XP, Vista, or Win7. And I can develop for all those OSes using that same tool set. Obviously I cannot test Win7 specific features on XP, but I can still run VS on all those OSes. Apple cant seem to figure out how to allow running on older versions of their software. Microsoft figured out how to distribute different libraries and have them hook into the OS properly, why cant Apple? After all, Obj-C is a late bound programming language, if it tries to pass a message to an object and the method does not exist, itthrows an error. Distribute libraries for new OSes, ship the old ones, let developers choose the package and it works! But Apple uses their laziness to squeeze a few more bucks out of everyone by forcing an upgrade of OS and for some like myself, a whole new computer.

Then simply stick to the older Xcode. The latest one is meant to be used to develop apps for the latest OS X version.

yardmanflex said,
not surprising apple do whatever they want when they want lol.
Yeah, just like Microsoft and every other company that makes software that releases paid upgrades.

Im sure that people will cope without it just like they did before it got released. Gotta love the speculation that it wont be offered as an App or something like that for Lion.

"Obviously, this move by Apple won't make current OS X Lion users very happy"
Some people bitched when they did that with syri and iphone 4s but overall I don't think anyone cared that much for loss of a 'feature'.
Who's to say there won't be any 3rd party clients?

n_K said,
"Obviously, this move by Apple won't make current OS X Lion users very happy"
Some people bitched when they did that with syri and iphone 4s but overall I don't think anyone cared that much for loss of a 'feature'.
Who's to say there won't be any 3rd party clients?

There are. Plus there is always, you know in person...... unless you live far away and you can always use a 3rd party service then.

Marshalus said,
What does Siri have to do with this?

It was available for all iOS devices, apple bought it and made it iphone 4s only, messages is currently available for lion but will only work with mountain lion.. Exactly the same no?