Microsoft: 2 million Windows Phone 7 devices sold, app store support soars

About one month ago Microsoft announced that 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices had been sold. Today, coming from an interview with Microsoft Senior Product Manager Greg Sullivan, in one single month that number of total devices has risen to 2 million Windows Phone 7 devices.

In Sullivan's interview with Ina Fried of Mobilized, Greg Sullivan says the phone is still in early stages, but “when people use this phone, they really, really like it.” Sullivan goes on to talk about how sales are only one measure of a platform's success, and that customer satisfaction along with developer investment were more important indicators. Across the board, Microsoft has been pleased with the results from their latest mobile product.

Sullivan also mentioned in another interview with CNET that "93 percent of Windows Phone customers are satisfied or very satisfied with Windows Phone 7, and 90 percent would recommend the phone to others," with the data pulled from a recent survey over hundreds of Windows Phone 7 customers. Windows Phone 7, as said multiple times by Microsoft is a device that once you get out and play with, you love it. Back at CES earlier this month, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer stated that people simply demonstrating their phone to their friends is very helpful and lets people know that this is truly a different and new phone experience.

During the interview, Sullivan also went on to talk about how Microsoft's Marketplace is doing. Currently, there are now more than 6,500 apps and 24,000 registered developers. Comparing this to the numbers released at CES of 5,500 apps and 20,000 developers, this is a platform that certainly is growing and at quite a fast rate.

Regarding updates to Windows Phone 7, they will come, according to Sullivan, within "the next few months." Microsoft is certainly proud of their mobile investment, and thousands of users are enjoying their hard work as well.

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well all in all... WP7 is fantastic. I can get in , check my mail or whatever, and get out just like they advertised. It's fast and I hope it will last for a LONG time

For those that argue about contracts and agreements. Tell me about Verizon and the KIN. They cancelled that phone pretty quick. So if your theory of forced phone purchase agreements then I guess Verizon must have paid through the nose to dump that product right? Then they activate the product again to get rid of the inventory(speculation). Verizon and big carriers are not signing contracts for guaranteed purchases month over month for an product they are not 100% behind yet. They want to see where it fits and will commit to carry some of the phones but they are not FORCED into buying for example 100K handsets a month and letting them just inventory up. It doesn't work that way.

Derakaw - why should MS report more than licenses sold? They license the OS they are not required to report any more than that. Some phone companies have stances against reporting actual sales data. If MS went the reported it for them that wouldn't make some of the carriers happy would it?

I wanted to keep my HD7 on but TMOBILE's service is horrible. When they release for Sprint or Verizon I will get one to go along with my Android Devices.

My next devices will be: Motorola XOOM, Droid Bionic. Would rather have Atrix 4G but not sure if I want to jump ship back to AT&T. The 1950 mAh battery in the Atrix 4G in a thing profile is very attractive. Put WP7 on that in the next coming months and I will be a very happy camper.

mrmomoman said,
For those that argue about contracts and agreements. Tell me about Verizon and the KIN. They cancelled that phone pretty quick. So if your theory of forced phone purchase agreements then I guess Verizon must have paid through the nose to dump that product right? Then they activate the product again to get rid of the inventory(speculation). Verizon and big carriers are not signing contracts for guaranteed purchases month over month for an product they are not 100% behind yet. They want to see where it fits and will commit to carry some of the phones but they are not FORCED into buying for example 100K handsets a month and letting them just inventory up. It doesn't work that way.

Exactly. It's a ridiculous accusation... It's just not how it works. Look at the number of phones that are only around for a short period... They aren't going to get themselves in a position where they are going to be FORCED to accumulate stock. Not a chance. And definitely not in the mobile world where devices get replaced months after release in some cases (Or are dropped)...

2 Million is terrible and why fudge the figures by quoting licenses sold? MS have the technology to tell us how many phones are connected or sold when they check in and if it was a good number we would know it, MS would brag about the numbers.

'2 Million Licenses sold' is meaningless at best.

derekaw said,
2 Million is terrible and why fudge the figures by quoting licenses sold? MS have the technology to tell us how many phones are connected or sold when they check in and if it was a good number we would know it, MS would brag about the numbers.

'2 Million Licenses sold' is meaningless at best.

But that is their sales numbers... I see no issue with them releasing sales numbers for licenses that they have in fact sold. And if the 1.5 million devices that had been shipped earlier hadn't been sold, the carriers wouldn't have purchased 500,000 more...

Ely said,
The only reason I dont have a WP7 yet is because it is not available in Sprint.

And the only reason I don't have one is because it's not yet on Verizon. I wish this would come out already for me... I can't take the waiting any longer...

What people need to realize is that not everybody who want's one is going to immediately buy a new phone or bail out of their contract. For me, it would cost $700 if I were to cancel my contract today. Let's see in a year or two's time where this OS goes.

Billus said,
What people need to realize is that not everybody who want's one is going to immediately buy a new phone or bail out of their contract. For me, it would cost $700 if I were to cancel my contract today. Let's see in a year or two's time where this OS goes.

Exactly. It wasn't a platform that people outside of the tech community were expecting... It isn't like they knew enough to wait for it.

To be honest, I am on AT&T where only 3 phones are available as far as Windows Phone 7. The Phone are not attractive to me at all. If they came out with a Touch Pro 3 (AT&T Tilt 3) with Windows Phone 7 on it, I would be interested in getting it. The LG Quantum is a poor excuse for a Qwerty keyboard phone.

JSYOUNG571 said,
To be honest, I am on AT&T where only 3 phones are available as far as Windows Phone 7. The Phone are not attractive to me at all. If they came out with a Touch Pro 3 (AT&T Tilt 3) with Windows Phone 7 on it, I would be interested in getting it. The LG Quantum is a poor excuse for a Qwerty keyboard phone.

The LG phones are the worst. They look like a childs phone and thats why LGs phones are not selling. They tried to blame it on Microsoft and the OS but LGs problem is that their phones look very cheapt sitting next to competing devices from Dell, HTC and Samsung.

JSYOUNG571 said,
Side slider keyboard?

Sorry nothing viable for you atm. Here's the funny thing.... The Windows Phone 7 OS will run on that device.

Wouldn't it be funny if MS were able to turn the mobile market with the PC Market where they could sell the OS to install on any unlocked device. I cannot imagine the hardware/carrier oligopoly would allow that.

Edited by deadonthefloor, Jan 27 2011, 5:04am :

NPGMBR said,

The LG phones are the worst. They look like a childs phone and thats why LGs phones are not selling. They tried to blame it on Microsoft and the OS but LGs problem is that their phones look very cheapt sitting next to competing devices from Dell, HTC and Samsung.

Thats a problem for MS, one phone from one company may turn the person off the OS altogether, Android too now I think about it more.

derekaw said,

Thats a problem for MS, one phone from one company may turn the person off the OS altogether, Android too now I think about it more.

Agreed. From what I understand, HTC got their act together with the WP7 devices and fixed the issues they were having. But LG is just a substandard company...

I'm glad to see the WP7 is doing great. I hope in the future the sales increase. I would like to see WP7 have a good chunk of the market.

Good. Now just bring me some updates. My biggest gripes about the OS aren't actually c/p or even multitasking but stuff like Zune WP7 "Now Playing" screen (similar to Zune HD), SmartDJ for WP7, or Skydrive integration with the Office hub (seriously, WTF?).

Oh, and opening up the camera APIs would be nice to (for augmented reality/scanning apps).

Other than that, love my HD7

Really hope things continue as they are currently.
I'm seriously considering jumping ship later in the year but I've invested quite a bit of money & time into my iPhone so far. Might cost too much to re-purchase similar applications (RDP with NTLM, Network admin tools, etc).

M_Lyons10 said,
Now where's the CDMA version Microsoft?? I want one on Verizon...

They're working on it. Trust me I was waiting too. Was with VZ for five years and this is my first smartphone. I dumped VZ in Dec and have have Dell Venue Pro with T-Mobile and im very pleased.

NPGMBR said,

They're working on it. Trust me I was waiting too. Was with VZ for five years and this is my first smartphone. I dumped VZ in Dec and have have Dell Venue Pro with T-Mobile and im very pleased.

Yeah? I wish I could switch, but Verizon has the best coverage here, so I just can't switch. And I know CDMA support is apparently in the update that's coming, but if that were the case I would have expected to hear something about the devices coming to Verizon and maybe an idea as to when I could expect them. LOL The silence is killing me!

M_Lyons10 said,

Yeah? I wish I could switch, but Verizon has the best coverage here, so I just can't switch. And I know CDMA support is apparently in the update that's coming, but if that were the case I would have expected to hear something about the devices coming to Verizon and maybe an idea as to when I could expect them. LOL The silence is killing me!

Last I heard the CDMA version is coming sometime during the first half or the year. I think their strategy was to get it out on the networks that are more widely used around the world and thats not CDMA.

NPGMBR said,

Last I heard the CDMA version is coming sometime during the first half or the year. I think their strategy was to get it out on the networks that are more widely used around the world and thats not CDMA.

Yes, I understand all that, and honestly it does make sense. But it's almost February, and apparently in this first update that brings copy and paste, they have also added CDMA support. So, one would expect at this point to start hearing about devices coming to Verizon and Sprint and an idea as to when...

This is simple, and I don't know why people want to overlook it or not use any common sense, if the new shipped number (2 million) is higher than the older shipped number (1.5 million) then that means the older shipped number is close to or has already been sold through to buyers. Retail wouldn't have ordered more if they didn't sell what they had already.

If sometime in Feb we get a higher shipped number, 2.5-3m then wouldn't that infact mean the 2million that went out as of today have been sold already? I mean what real difference does it make if you don't get a direct sales number from MS (who isn't selling the OS directly to users anyways) when the number they do give keeps going higher?

zombieChan said,
Some people fail at logic.

I agree, GP007 is right, if the devices hadn't made their way into consumers hands then why would retailers order more!!!!!!

Everyone who works and has worked in retail knows this extremely well.

GP007 said,
This is simple, and I don't know why people want to overlook it or not use any common sense, if the new shipped number (2 million) is higher than the older shipped number (1.5 million) then that means the older shipped number is close to or has already been sold through to buyers. Retail wouldn't have ordered more if they didn't sell what they had already.

If sometime in Feb we get a higher shipped number, 2.5-3m then wouldn't that infact mean the 2million that went out as of today have been sold already? I mean what real difference does it make if you don't get a direct sales number from MS (who isn't selling the OS directly to users anyways) when the number they do give keeps going higher?

+eleventy Numbers at any given time are meaningless. As long as the shipped numbers continue to increase each month, that's all that really matters. If you absolutely need to have the number sold to date, you're going to lose at most 1 month's worth of sales in accuracy by assuming that the previous month's shipped numbers to date are the current month's sell-through numbers to date.

zombieChan said,
Some people fail at logic.

And some people have no idea of what they are talking about.
Both me and others have explained how it works. Try to go to a bank and apply for a loan based on items shipped..... Good luck!

neo158 said,

I agree, GP007 is right, if the devices hadn't made their way into consumers hands then why would retailers order more!!!!!!

Everyone who works and has worked in retail knows this extremely well.

Exactly.

It's fairly simple. LOL

Fritzly said,

And some people have no idea of what they are talking about.
Both me and others have explained how it works. Try to go to a bank and apply for a loan based on items shipped..... Good luck!

No Fritzly, you haven't...you talk about deals that MS made with no proof, not a single link to your supposed collusion on the part of the carriers to kiss the almight arse of Microsoft.

Everyone I show my focus to wants to dump their existing device and use mine.
Sold vs Shipped are the same thing from Microsoft's perspective. As soon as a device manufacturer loads the ROM on the device in the warehouse, ka-ching, MS get their bucks.

If carriers did a better job of training their staff as to the key product differentiators then perhaps sales would improve. I know from experience that carriers have their favorite vendors and usually try to push those first.

Sales representatives have their favorite devices and push those first. Usually those are the ones with the biggest commission attached.

On top of that, most devices in this class fall under a business model that requires buying into a contract for a carrier subsidized device.

I on the other hand took the leap of faith and purchased my phone outright from the competition, and brought it back and activated it on my preferred network.

I couldn't be happier with my decision, and as devices become more plentiful and people become aware and their contracts expire or are up for renewal with a new subsidized device then the mobile climate will change.

dotf said,
Sold vs Shipped are the same thing from Microsoft's perspective.

Not at all; if what I sold get dust in a warehouse because it does not sell it would be a huge problem...... you are not selling a sandwich in an airport to someone who will nevere return;
actual sales are actually more important for MS than the carriers. MS owns the platform, carriers sell several ones.

dotf said,
Everyone I show my focus to wants to dump their existing device and use mine

Perhaps if they have never used an Android or iPhone, or are existing Win Mobile 6 users, then they'll be impressed, otherwise I doubt it.

dotf said,

Sold vs Shipped are the same thing from Microsoft's perspective. As soon as a device manufacturer loads the ROM on the device in the warehouse, ka-ching, MS get their bucks.

Then the channel wont reorder because none of them are actually selling. They might even return them. Cha-Ching, Microsoft's WP7 sales evaporate. Lets see in another two months if the channel continues to order the same amount shall we. Microsoft is being particually coy about this, which leads me to believe it's an embellishment, and doesn't reflect real sales.

dotf said,

If carriers did a better job of training their staff as to the key product differentiators then perhaps sales would improve. I know from experience that carriers have their favorite vendors and usually try to push those first.

Why do MS fans always blame others? Microsoft needs to learn to accept its failings and stop with the blaming game.

Flawed said,

Perhaps if they have never used an Android or iPhone, or are existing Win Mobile 6 users, then they'll be impressed, otherwise I doubt it.

People do have different opinions than you Flawed. Some people like the WP7 better than Android and iOS. Just because you don't doesn't mean everyone in the world don't.

Flawed said,

Perhaps if they have never used an Android or iPhone, or are existing Win Mobile 6 users, then they'll be impressed, otherwise I doubt it.
Speak for yourself. I've gone to an HD7 from a Desire, WP7 has a far better interface (The on screen keyboard is unmatched) and Silverlight development is much nicer than iPhone or Android development.

Flawed said,

Perhaps if they have never used an Android or iPhone, or are existing Win Mobile 6 users, then they'll be impressed, otherwise I doubt it.

why would you even say this? My Dad bought an Iphone 4 (for medical apps) at the exact same time I bought my mom a WP7, my dad still regrets his decision now that medical apps have started coming out for ours.. Even did a test side by side of the speed to open the facebook app and WP7 won by a slim margin.. dont understand why people are saying the apps are slow to load when some are even faster then the Iphone 4

dotf said,
Everyone I show my focus to wants to dump their existing device and use mine.

Amen to that. Loving my Focus.

Flawed said,
Why do MS fans always blame others? Microsoft needs to learn to accept its failings and stop with the blaming game.

I'm not blaming. I work for a Canadian cell phone network provider. Our retail reps are instructed to sell blackberry first unless the customer requests something else. Then they are told to become apologists for not being able to provide alternatives, iPhone, WP7, etc.

I accept Microsoft for it's failings. I also appreciate its' strengths. The feedback loop they've created in conjunction with the analysis tools they've created will make them a winner with their partners (customers, developers, harware vendors) over time.

Lachlan said,

why would you even say this? My Dad bought an Iphone 4 (for medical apps) at the exact same time I bought my mom a WP7, my dad still regrets his decision now that medical apps have started coming out for ours.. Even did a test side by side of the speed to open the facebook app and WP7 won by a slim margin.. dont understand why people are saying the apps are slow to load when some are even faster then the Iphone 4

Because Flawed has never seen a Microsoft product that has value...if it ain't bashing MS, it won't pass Flawed's keyboard.

As others have noted, every time microsoft refers to sales numbers, it's talking about licences sold, not actual customer sales. This is pure spin designed to convince handset manufacturers and developers to get on board. When we get actual activations, then we can assess it impartially, otherwise take such declarations with a pinch of salt.

Flawed said,
As others have noted, every time microsoft refers to sales numbers, it's talking about licences sold, not actual customer sales. This is pure spin designed to convince handset manufacturers and developers to get on board. When we get actual activations, then we can assess it impartially, otherwise take such declarations with a pinch of salt.

Or you can use some reasoning and logic and come to the conclusion that if, 2million shipped to retail that the initial 1.5m number that had been shipped to retail back in Dec has been sold already. Otherwise why would they order 500k more since then?

Flawed said,
As others have noted, every time microsoft refers to sales numbers, it's talking about licences sold, not actual customer sales. This is pure spin designed to convince handset manufacturers and developers to get on board. When we get actual activations, then we can assess it impartially, otherwise take such declarations with a pinch of salt.

Handset manufacturers don't need convincing. When the devices ship to the carriers, they're as good as sold to them, and they ALWAYS know how many they ship.

Microsoft doesn't need to convince anybody but idiot stock analysts. Microsoft's not under any misapprehension that WP7 is going to ever be a huge revenue stream. They're making $15 per license. That's nothing. They probably benefit more from the damage that each WP7 sale does to Apple's revenues. A $15 gain in revenue for Microsoft is a huge loss in revenue for Apple.

GP007 said,

Or you can use some reasoning and logic and come to the conclusion that if, 2million shipped to retail that the initial 1.5m number that had been shipped to retail back in Dec has been sold already. Otherwise why would they order 500k more since then?

As I stated above:

It is not so simple: there are a lot of different kind of agreements a carrier could have signed with MS to gain more visibility, discounted prices, kicks back, advertising contribution etc.
Not that this is unique to MS, we arrange similar agreements wit our distributors continuously.

i haven't seen any Wp7 in the streets yet, ive seen lots of Androids and iPhones, but no Wp7. Nor a friend or relative have one yet

mjedi7 said,
i haven't seen any Wp7 in the streets yet, ive seen lots of Androids and iPhones, but no Wp7. Nor a friend or relative have one yet
It's only been out a short time. Even if it had amazing sales, it wouldn't necessarily be seen all over the place - the existing user base is already huge, and years old.

Kirkburn said,
It's only been out a short time. Even if it had amazing sales, it wouldn't necessarily be seen all over the place - the existing user base is already huge, and years old.

On day one of the iPhone launch (every year) you can see people lining up like crazy to get their hands on one, or at least a peek at it.

If it was really that good, more people would have one by now.

Sticktron said,
On day one of the iPhone launch (every year) you can see people lining up like crazy to get their hands on one, or at least a peek at it.

If it was really that good, more people would have one by now.

This has nothing to do with that. No one said it was that successful. I was saying that regardless of its success you wouldn't suddenly see it everywhere.

Three years ago, fewer people had smartphones, so successful launches would have a bigger impact.

I'm not trying to make excuses, just trying to cut through incorrect perceptions about personal experience.

mjedi7 said,
i haven't seen any Wp7 in the streets yet, ive seen lots of Androids and iPhones, but no Wp7. Nor a friend or relative have one yet

I've seen 6, and my aunt is about to get one too.

Sticktron said,

On day one of the iPhone launch (every year) you can see people lining up like crazy to get their hands on one, or at least a peek at it.

If it was really that good, more people would have one by now.


Right now, like any new platform, WP7 is working on brand awareness. You woukdn't have that yet.

mjedi7 said,
i haven't seen any Wp7 in the streets yet, ive seen lots of Androids and iPhones, but no Wp7. Nor a friend or relative have one yet

There's only two people I personally know that has them. My girlfriend and Me. I do know a lot of people who want to get them as soon as their contract is done. Some one who interviewed me a while back was talking about how he wants one, as well as my brothers.

Hopefully in the future you'll see more people with them.

Sticktron said,

On day one of the iPhone launch (every year) you can see people lining up like crazy to get their hands on one, or at least a peek at it.

If it was really that good, more people would have one by now.


If there is anything to learn from the WebOS flameout, it's that having a good OS != good sales.

lordcanti86 said,

If there is anything to learn from the WebOS flameout, it's that having a good OS != good sales.

You need a good OS AND good carrier support. WebOS had little carrier support.

WP7 is a good OS and has decent carrier support. Both will get better over time.

bj55555 said,

You need a good OS AND good carrier support. WebOS had little carrier support.

WP7 is a good OS and has decent carrier support. Both will get better over time.

Psst: there is a World out there and in those markets carriers do not have the "racket" they have here in the US.

mjedi7 said,
i haven't seen any Wp7 in the streets yet, ive seen lots of Androids and iPhones, but no Wp7. Nor a friend or relative have one yet

I still have not seen anyone using an amazon kindle.. doesnt really mean much.

In my opinion they lost a BIG opportunity by not launching a CDMA version before the iPhone launch in Verizon.

Stupid, stupid...

Nimdock said,
In my opinion they lost a BIG opportunity by not launching a CDMA version before the iPhone launch in Verizon.

Stupid, stupid...

Not really.. The biggest thing holding back wp7 adoption is 2 year contracts and so far some rather slow updates to fix features and get some updates out.

blahism said,

Not really.. The biggest thing holding back wp7 adoption is 2 year contracts and so far some rather slow updates to fix features and get some updates out.


But imagine the people that were out of contract and on the fence waiting to see what Microsoft was going to offer on CDMA... There is an iPhone available now (few days) and those will be even more 2 year contracts that WP7 will miss.

Nimdock said,
In my opinion they lost a BIG opportunity by not launching a CDMA version before the iPhone launch in Verizon.

Stupid, stupid...


Agreed. And where is the CDMA news as well? What a missed opportunity...

blahism said,

Not really.. The biggest thing holding back wp7 adoption is 2 year contracts and so far some rather slow updates to fix features and get some updates out.


Slow updates?? Would you prefer to just wait years for basic features to be added in major versions only? What an absurd statement...

M_Lyons10 said,

Slow updates?? Would you prefer to just wait years for basic features to be added in major versions only? What an absurd statement...

What? He's advocating updates, not against them. FYI, thus far, MS has released ZERO updates, even though there's a laundry list of missing features, and maybe more importantly, bugs. Compare zero updates to what Apple did within the first few months of releasing the first iPhone....

rseiler said,

What? He's advocating updates, not against them. FYI, thus far, MS has released ZERO updates, even though there's a laundry list of missing features, and maybe more importantly, bugs. Compare zero updates to what Apple did within the first few months of releasing the first iPhone....

What are you talking about? The first major update was 6 months after the iPhone was released.

floopy said,

What are you talking about? The first major update was 6 months after the iPhone was released.

And they fix some bugs after 30 days.........
And besides the iPhone calendar was a "real" one.....
The monthly view on my HD7 is completely useless and I do not have a week view.

rseiler said,

What? He's advocating updates, not against them. FYI, thus far, MS has released ZERO updates, even though there's a laundry list of missing features, and maybe more importantly, bugs. Compare zero updates to what Apple did within the first few months of releasing the first iPhone....

You're statement really confuses me. I'm thinking you missread my comment? And maybe the one I quoted as well? I'm honestly not sure. Regardless, I can't see how anyone could list updates as being a flaw of WP7 when it's just out the door and they have an update on its way adding features that users have requested (Which would in other OS's be included ONLY in a yearly major release) and bug fixes, with another update already announced for sometime after that (That they are actually considering "Major"...).

thealexweb said,
But how many have actually found there way in to the hands of customers?

Over 1.5 million? Otherwise why would retail order more? 500k more, in another month since we got that 1.5m shipped number back in Dec?

GP007 said,

Over 1.5 million? Otherwise why would retail order more? 500k more, in another month since we got that 1.5m shipped number back in Dec?


+1

GP007 said,

Over 1.5 million? Otherwise why would retail order more? 500k more, in another month since we got that 1.5m shipped number back in Dec?


Logic FTW!!

Tom W said,
This isn't sold it's shipped, big difference.

Bingo, Apple and Google are able to come up with concrete numbers how many are being activated by customers, why can't Microsoft? Or maybe they can but they just don't want to go public with it.

thealexweb said,

Bingo, Apple and Google are able to come up with concrete numbers how many are being activated by customers, why can't Microsoft? Or maybe they can but they just don't want to go public with it.


If the 1.5 million devices shipped to carriers hadn't sold, the carriers wouldn't have purchased an additional 500,000 in one month...

M_Lyons10 said,

If the 1.5 million devices shipped to carriers hadn't sold, the carriers wouldn't have purchased an additional 500,000 in one month...

In theory they could be honoring bulk phone orders carriers they'd promised to buy.

M_Lyons10 said,

If the 1.5 million devices shipped to carriers hadn't sold, the carriers wouldn't have purchased an additional 500,000 in one month...

Bingo! More orders for phones wouldn't have happened, it's then logical to suggest that the 1.5m from back in Dec has been sold through to customers already.

M_Lyons10 said,

If the 1.5 million devices shipped to carriers hadn't sold, the carriers wouldn't have purchased an additional 500,000 in one month...

It is not so simple: there are a lot of different kind of agreements a carrier could have signed with MS to gain more visibility, discounted prices, kicks back, advertising contribution etc.
Not that this is unique to MS, we arrange similar agreements wit our distributors continuously.

Fritzly said,

It is not so simple: there are a lot of different kind of agreements a carrier could have signed with MS to gain more visibility, discounted prices, kicks back, advertising contribution etc.
Not that this is unique to MS, we arrange similar agreements wit our distributors continuously.


That's fine, but that does not translate to continued sales...

Tom W said,

Huh? It's inaccurate to say "sold" when it's actually shipped. Surely you care?

I guess it depends on what you define sold as. Either way, retailers wouldn't buy more if they weren't selling.

Owen W said,

I guess it depends on what you define sold as. Either way, retailers wouldn't buy more if they weren't selling.

Of course, I'm not debating they're not selling. I am just saying they haven't "sold" 2 million devices yet. They have only been shipped to carriers.

thealexweb said,

Bingo, Apple and Google are able to come up with concrete numbers how many are being activated by customers, why can't Microsoft? Or maybe they can but they just don't want to go public with it.

I don't get this.
In this article "http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...0-million-xbox-360039s-sold everyone is saying the MS always refer to sold.

Obviously in this instance it's shipped. But still, argument is invalid.

Owen W said,

You know what? Who cares.

Christ, what a terrible response from a staff member. Anyone who cares about accurate reporting cares and a simple acknowledgement/and or correction would have sufficed.
Not everyone who "argues" or disagrees with the news poster in the the comments is trolling

Tom W said,

Of course, I'm not debating they're not selling. I am just saying they haven't "sold" 2 million devices yet. They have only been shipped to carriers.

Microsoft does not necessarily sell devices. They do sell some devides in their stores which are limited because the stores don't span the country. Microsoft sells the OS to manufacturers. Manufacturers sell the devices with the OS to consumers.

M_Lyons10 said,

That's fine, but that does not translate to continued sales...

Again if a carrier signed an agreement to buy an X amount of devices every month they have to do it; no matter what are the sales to final users.

DrCheese said,

Christ, what a terrible response from a staff member. Anyone who cares about accurate reporting cares and a simple acknowledgement/and or correction would have sufficed.
Not everyone who "argues" or disagrees with the news poster in the the comments is trolling

It IS accurate because Microsoft SOLD copies of WP7. This is more comparable to an OS rekease than a device to Microsoft. Regardless though, carriers would not have bought more phones if they weren't selling...

Fritzly said,

Again if a carrier signed an agreement to buy an X amount of devices every month they have to do it; no matter what are the sales to final users.


and if you can show me that that is the case here I'll consider it, but I've seen no such agreement, and find it particularly unlikely in the fast paced mobile market.

M_Lyons10 said,

and if you can show me that that is the case here I'll consider it, but I've seen no such agreement, and find it particularly unlikely in the fast paced mobile market.

Believe me you can consider whatever you like; enlightenment is for open mind only........

Enjoy MS financial reports tomorrow; maybe you will find something to wonder about......
or maybe worry?

Tom W said,

Huh? It's inaccurate to say "sold" when it's actually shipped. Surely you care?

As far as Microsoft is concerned, it's sales. They aren't Apple; they don't build and sell the hardware themselves, and they don't only get paid when a phone is put in the hands of a wireless customer.

Remember, Microsoft does not sell Windows Phones. They sell Windows Phone OS licenses. Of those, 2 million were most definitely and thoroughly 'sold'.

Fritzly said,

It is not so simple: there are a lot of different kind of agreements a carrier could have signed with MS to gain more visibility, discounted prices, kicks back, advertising contribution etc.
Not that this is unique to MS, we arrange similar agreements wit our distributors continuously.

Please explain how Microsoft has any supplier-retailer relationship with a carrier for devices that Microsoft doesn't even manufacture.

Tom W said,
This isn't sold it's shipped, big difference.

And each month that difference will be smaller and smaller on a percentage basis.

bj55555 said,

Please explain how Microsoft has any supplier-retailer relationship with a carrier for devices that Microsoft doesn't even manufacture.

Exactly. It's a rather bizarre argument in all honesty. I'd thought I'd heard them all at this point from those claiming that WP7 is failing... I guess not. LMAO

bj55555 said,

Please explain how Microsoft has any supplier-retailer relationship with a carrier for devices that Microsoft doesn't even manufacture.

Ever heard of marketing campaign support? Kick back? Subsiding? Just to list some of the possibilities.....

On the other hand if WP7 was so succesfull could you explain the silence of the carriers about sales to users?

Fritzly said,

Believe me you can consider whatever you like; enlightenment is for open mind only........

Enjoy MS financial reports tomorrow; maybe you will find something to wonder about......
or maybe worry?

You're right. I'm simply terrified by the record $ 19.95 Bn dollars in earnings...