Windows 7E pricing for limited time

After reporting that Microsoft will be charging up to twice as much for the full version of Windows 7E in Europe compared to Windows 7 in the United States, Microsoft was not charging more because of the anti-trust regulators in Europe.

Consumers can purchase an upgrade for as little as $199 in the U.S. whilst Europeans will pay €309 or $433.99 (US) for the full version.

Microsoft states the reason for the missing upgrade of Windows 7 is that Vista came with Internet Explorer 8 pre-installed, while Windows 7E will not. Due to complications, and a short notice to fix the IE8 problem, the upgrade versions are delayed. The European Union antitrust regulators have pressured Microsoft to ship a customized edition of Windows 7 in Europe without IE8. This will cause problems upgrading previous systems who have IE7 installed already, as for now, Microsoft does not have an upgrade edition of Windows 7E.

Microsoft released a limited time offer price on their full version of Windows 7E up until December 31, 2009, where consumers can purchase a copy of Windows 7E for the same price as U.S. consumers upgrade edition.

Now Europe will pay less for their version of Windows 7E full edition than people in the United States Windows 7 full edition.

Update: A change was made to the article about Microsoft responding to adjust prices, while there was no responses to the matter.

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hello,
I'm french and I want to say that french people was against EU during the referendum,
only the president has decided its entry into the comunity and I want to say that many are against the decisions of the EU against Microsoft , me first,
to remove the Internet Explorer 7 for Windows is a total aberant.
result we have if we want windows 7 to buy the full version because no update
thank you EU :(

ps: google traductor french => english

OMG, I just hate the EU. Stuff like this is the reason Norwegians voted against a membership, but still they have to sell us this crap!

Which EU-idiot was the moron behind the idea that "Hey, Microsoft is trying to make a complete OS, that provides the custumer with what he needs! Let's put a stop to that, so that we ... uhm ... at least we will have something to do for the next cuople of months!"

Honestly, I appreciate that other companies make their own browsers and Media Players and stuff, it's great with alternatives. And I actually use Chrome myself, and I adore it and advertise for it wherever I go, but still I think Microsoft should be allowed to implement whatever feature they like in their OS. If not they should remove Paint, WordPad, Calculator and NotePad as well - which is totally absurd. I do, to some extent though, buy the argument that MS has been slowing down the development of the web, but hey... What can I say.

MICROSOFT: Will you please let the people not living in the EU buy the non-EU version of Windows 7 at a reasonable price?

Microsoft can try charging what they like for Vista Release 2. In the end, the market will decide what price they are prepared to pay.

Personally I'm sticking with XP, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I was happy with Windows 2000, which was probably Microsoft's best O/S in terms of size and (relative) simplicity. Vista has no real killer applications, nor does Windows 7. Integrating Virtual PC and a virtual copy of XP at first seems like a great idea, but is really more an admission of defeat.

I lot of interesting comments on upgrade pricing, but doesn't anyone in Europe buy the [usually far] cheaper OEM discs? With 7 I don't believe the ability to upgrade rather than install fresh, will be worth much of anything.

The win7 RC upgrade from Vista 32 could be improved near 100%, and it would still be a disaster. While it's always been better, has always been recommended to do a clean install, it seems almost a requirement with 7, or is a requirement if you want things running correctly. My guess would be that 7, trying to come up with compatibility settings, has a terrible time of it when that software's already running under Vista's compatibility settings. And this isn't just ancient apps -- a huge portion of software today is still written mainly for XP, with developers counting on Vista to deal with it. It's understandable really -- who would want to give up the extremely large XP customer base, or develop separate versions of code? Any upgrade improvements in the RTM IMHO would be on the order of still shooting yourself in the foot, but this time only blowing off a couple of toes. ;-0

Publisher 98 $99.95
Publisher 98 £99.95
Exchange rate at that time Over $2.00
EU or not, overpriced in UK.
I know its a while ago but nothing changes does it?

Wakers said,
(snipped) This is what MS were doing from the start. (snipped)

Really? Next time RTFA.

The article states:

"A top Microsoft executive today denied reports that European users will pay more for Windows 7 because of the company's wrangling with antitrust regulators."

Not really made up, was it?

(snipped)

Ricardo Gil said,
Really? Next time RTFA.

The article states:

"A top Microsoft executive today denied reports that European users will pay more for Windows 7 because of the company's wrangling with antitrust regulators."

Not really made up, was it?


Thank you,

Microsoft only recently changed their product lineup and called it Windows 7E, much like Windows Vista N, a stripped version of Windows without IE. If Microsoft did NOT do this, they would once again face another lawsuit and pay millions to please the anti-trust regulators.

Wakers said,
(snipped) This is what MS were doing from the start. (snipped)


Wakers, you are 100% right. I was wondering who would see this first.

Microsoft charges Windows 7 FULL for the price of Windows Vista UPGRADE. Because they don't have a seperate upgrade package at the moment for Europe.

Vista UPGRADE is EUR119, Windows 7 FULL is EUR119.

Nothing, but nothing has changed since the first day the prices were released.

When they release Windows 7 UPGRADE it will then still be EUR119, but they will increase the Windows 7 FULL price to its normal value which is around EUR208.99

Ricardo Gil said,
Really? Next time RTFA.

The article states:

"A top Microsoft executive today denied reports that European users will pay more for Windows 7 because of the company's wrangling with antitrust regulators."

Not really made up, was it?

You're still completely, utterly, totally wrong. ricknl explains it perfectly. Judging by your articles though, you won't understand it.

I'm confused by this article. Nothing has changed since the original Windows 7 pricing announcement, but this article makes it sound like something did.

Computerworld makes no indication of that, just Neowin. You guys should fix that.

Specifically, this is extremely misleading to your readers:

After reporting that Microsoft will be charging up to twice as much for the full version of Windows 7E in Europe compared to Windows 7
in the United States, Microsoft has responded by adjusting their pricing

Well, I will wait for the upgrade regardless. I pay for Vista and get treated like this because of where I live, Microsoft can **** off

Julius Caro said,
mmmm microsoft wasnt forced to remove IE as far as I know...

they were not forced. in fact, the EU said that they did not believe it was a good idea for consumers.

I was going to complain about pricing, but that seems a rather pointless thing to do anymore.

Microsoft is going to do whatever they want. They're a corporation. To them we're a dollar sign, not people. 8-(

I can understand MS being bitter. The EU is being pathetic.

I don't want a list of outdated versions of Opera, Fx and god knows what else listed for me to choose when I install Windows. If I want Fx I will use IE8 to download it. ****ing pathetic.

That and on Windows Vista 64 and W7, IE8 is actually more secure! I still just use Chrome when I want to use it not because a bunch of money grabbing old men on the EU legislation board think I need to be given the option with instructions in crayon.

but thats bull**** though... regardless of what country... it was MS error or problem in their code which wouldn't allow the IE to be included with Win7 so they charge the price of an entire operating system just to get it in by way of installing vista 1st? what if the user doesn't even want ie 8 to begin with? this sounds like major BS to me and i'm not in europe, usa as a mater of fact. we'd be royally ****ed if we had that crap shoved down our throats...

The European Union antitrust regulators have forced Microsoft to ship a customized edition of Windows 7 in Europe without IE8

This statement is A COMPLETE LIE. Nobody is forcing MS to do the 7E version of Windows 7; Microsoft have taken that decision completely on their own.

They are being forced indirectly by the EU's new anti-trust case. Which, I mean, lets be real hear, why did they just now remember IE? What happened back a few years ago when they sued MS over WMP? No one at all then thought about IE in all of this?

Did they really need little old Opera to come moaning to them basically 2 years later when, lets face it, IE's market share is LOWER then it was back when the EU did it's first case for them to think about it? No. This whole thing is a joke.

It's not a complete lie, just because the EU regulators didn't come out and explicitly tell MS to release a version without IE, doesn't change the fact that they keep suing MS whenever they think it's nice and have, infact, forced MS to take the preemptive step in just removing IE rather then waiting for the EU to tell them exactly what to do (which would've probably been to start offering the other browsers in some sorta popup menu the first time you run Win7).

GP007 said,
Which, I mean, lets be real hear, why did they just now remember IE?.

Perhaps because it takes quite a while for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn?

Most complaints take YEARS to get anywhere - there's plenty of examples from other businesses and other fields that take exactly the same amount of time to move forward.

And if you want to "get real" the only reason there's so much fuzz about it on Neowin and other forums is because every US based whiner is posting how "EU is evil! They should not tell US based businesses what to do waaa-waa-waambulance". They're ****ed because EU is finally flexing some muscle.

daPhoenix said,
Perhaps because it takes quite a while for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn?

Most complaints take YEARS to get anywhere - there's plenty of examples from other businesses and other fields that take exactly the same amount of time to move forward.

And if you want to "get real" the only reason there's so much fuzz about it on Neowin and other forums is because every US based whiner is posting how "EU is evil! They should not tell US based businesses what to do waaa-waa-waambulance". They're ****ed because EU is finally flexing some muscle.


+1

FloatingFatMan said,
This statement is A COMPLETE LIE. Nobody is forcing MS to do the 7E version of Windows 7; Microsoft have taken that decision completely on their own.

Really? Did you just say that?

Microsoft was never actually FORCED into stripping IE8 from Windows 7E, but if they wish to not be sued for millions than they have to release another edition of Windows 7, without IE8.

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand? I honestly don't think Microsoft is going to suddenly change their operating system, and sell Windows 7E (specially named just for Europe) only in Europe. America isn't getting any Windows 7 retails without IE8.

daPhoenix said,
Perhaps because it takes quite a while for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn?

Most complaints take YEARS to get anywhere - there's plenty of examples from other businesses and other fields that take exactly the same amount of time to move forward.

And if you want to "get real" the only reason there's so much fuzz about it on Neowin and other forums is because every US based whiner is posting how "EU is evil! They should not tell US based businesses what to do waaa-waa-waambulance". They're ****ed because EU is finally flexing some muscle.



Ahh yes, you hit it right on the nail eh, "wheels of bureaucracy". Maybe I wouldn't call the EU evil, but it's a mess. And still can't seem to agree on much and when it does it's often way too late in the game.

I find it funny how you think only US based "whiners" are posting negative remarks about the EU, when quite a few actually live in Europe. Like I myself do.

Oh, and before they flex that mighty muscle you talk about, why don't they take a look at the shady business practices of their own companies while they're at it? I'm sure you are (or not) aware of.

I read the computerworld article twice and cannot find the segment that says Windows 7E will be priced at the american upgrade prices until Dec 31. It just says that Windows 7E will be priced at the lower upgrade prices, which are still the ones higher than the US. I'm a bit confused here.

crazlunatic said,
I read the computerworld article twice and cannot find the segment that says Windows 7E will be priced at the american upgrade prices until Dec 31. It just says that Windows 7E will be priced at the lower upgrade prices, which are still the ones higher than the US. I'm a bit confused here.

Same here, another misleading article. Whilst the pricing has been lowered, the price still remains higher than that of the US.
In fairness to Microsoft though, this has always been the case, it has nothing to do with the anti-trust case.
To those in the EU, no need to worry about the pricing they stiff us with here, just find someone on eBay(US) that will ship it internationally :P

TSO said,
Same here, another misleading article. Whilst the pricing has been lowered, the price still remains higher than that of the US.
In fairness to Microsoft though, this has always been the case, it has nothing to do with the anti-trust case.
To those in the EU, no need to worry about the pricing they stiff us with here, just find someone on eBay(US) that will ship it internationally :P

until customs finds it and slaps a huge duty onto it...

Microsoft has said it will price the full editions of Windows 7E -- the "E" stands for "Europe" -- at the lower upgrade prices until at least Dec. 31, 2009.

Since there isn't even an upgrade price for Europe, it should be price matched to that of the U.S.

carmatic said,

until customs finds it and slaps a huge duty onto it...

Wrong, 9 times out of 10 if its marked as "Gift/Other" or "Commercial sample" you won't get charged with the "huge duty" fee, its just a matter of finding a good international seller that doesn't mind bending the rules slightly :P

lylesback2 said,
Since there isn't even an upgrade price for Europe, it should be price matched to that of the U.S.


Are you sure? Computerworld's previous article said that they are offering full editions at upgrade prices, which is why they compared US Upgrade Editions with European full edition prices earlier since it was pretty much the same thing. Here's the link:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl...9&intsrc=kc_top

It might sound like I'm challenging you but I just want to clarify some facts before reporting =)

lylesback2 said,
Since there isn't even an upgrade price for Europe, it should be price matched to that of the U.S.

didnt they bring up something about how the tax is included in the price in europe, but not in america, so thats why a direct comparison is difficult somehow?

Kelxin said,
Maybe make a EU based software company???

Or just see prices be fair for their respective regions. I don't know or understand the specifics of doing business internationally, but for MS to charge double for their product seems a little extreme.

Maybe they are ****ed at the EU for never being happy, but taking it out on the customer isn't right either. Judging by the sales that have been commented, most in the EU ignored or didn't care about Vista N editions. Seems the only ones who care are Opera and the EU, Opera probably because they have no advertising budgets and this gives them tons of free press and a shot at more exposure.

No, I'm not an Opera user. IE and FF work just fine.

zeke009 said,
Or just see prices be fair for their respective regions. I don't know or understand the specifics of doing business internationally, but for MS to charge double for their product seems a little extreme.

Maybe they are ****ed at the EU for never being happy, but taking it out on the customer isn't right either. Judging by the sales that have been commented, most in the EU ignored or didn't care about Vista N editions. Seems the only ones who care are Opera and the EU, Opera probably because they have no advertising budgets and this gives them tons of free press and a shot at more exposure.

No, I'm not an Opera user. IE and FF work just fine.


They weren't charging double, they simply weren't offering the upgrade version which is the cheaper version in EU because the upgrade version relies on IE apparently. So basically that only leaves the full version for EU which has always been more expensive than the upgrade versions.

The difference being that the US voted for Bush, but no one in Europe voted for the European Commission, it is a non-democratic body. I don't think you can blame europeans in general for the EC's (retarded) actions.

The EU don't, but the Europeans deserve a little break. Hell, just look at Steam's prices, 49,99 euros for a game that can be found for a lot less in the US.

KavazovAngel said,
The EU don't, but the Europeans deserve a little break. Hell, just look at Steam's prices, 49,99 euros for a game that can be found for a lot less in the US.


They do deserve even cent, Last time I checked EU is voice of every European. So as far as me I blame every European for EU suing MS.

I hoped they would've charged $1000.00 for Windows 7.

Neo003 said,
They do deserve even cent, Last time I checked EU is voice of every European. So as far as me I blame every European for EU suing MS.

you, sir, have been duped by the EU's publicity campaign to gain themselves legitimacy in the eyes of the world...
the numbers of europeans who 1. dont know about 2. dont care about 3. disagree with the EU far outnumber those who are in support of it

Neo003 said,
They do deserve even cent, Last time I checked EU is voice of every European. So as far as me I blame every European for EU suing MS.

I hoped they would've charged $1000.00 for Windows 7.


Hahaha, sounds about as convenient as blaming every American for various wars.

Neo003 said,
They do deserve even cent, Last time I checked EU is voice of every European. So as far as me I blame every European for EU suing MS.

I hoped they would've charged $1000.00 for Windows 7.


Was Mr. Bush the voice of every American? All signs point to no. Please don't be so dense.

dr_crabman said,


Was Mr. Bush the voice of every American? All signs point to no. Please don't be so dense.

Well quite a few American's must have voted him in, twice (doh!), so all signs point to YES, haha!

harveyhanson said,
Well quite a few American's must have voted him in, twice (doh!), so all signs point to YES, haha!


"Quite a few" ain't "everybody".

Btw. regarding the article: MS didn't adjust or respond to anything, these are the prices they announced and Neowin got it wrong the first time and now it seems they're trying to hide their mistake.

Not providing EU consumers a way to upgrade from Windows Vista to Windows 7 only hurts Microsoft's business in the EU. Will increase the demand for alternative solutions to Microsoft's products, which currently seems to be the "trend" for many European institutions and companies.

carmatic said,
you, sir, have been duped by the EU's publicity campaign to gain themselves legitimacy in the eyes of the world...
the numbers of europeans who 1. dont know about 2. dont care about 3. disagree with the EU far outnumber those who are in support of it

If you are not happy with the politics, you should make your voice heard. If you don't, then you deserve everything that comes.

harveyhanson said,
Well quite a few American's must have voted him in, twice (doh!), so all signs point to YES, haha!

Meanwhile Europe had Tony Bliar.