Microsoft denies allegation it hired contractors to post positive Xbox One comments on social networks [Update]

Update: This article has been updated to include Microsoft's response.

Shortly after Microsoft announced its Xbox One console last month, social media users posted negative comments about the device on various outlets after the company didn't address digital rights management requirements. According to an anonymous Reddit user, Microsoft is attempting to fight back by paying marketing specialists to make positive comments about the console, but Microsoft calls the claim untrue.

Reddit user "mistysilver" claims to have visited Microsoft's Redmond, Wash., headquarters for a business meeting this week when members of the company's marketing team were busy voting up positive comments about the Xbox One and voting down negative comments.

"I noticed [a Microsoft employee or contractor] was mass-downvoting a ton of posts and comments, and he kept switching to other tabs to make posts and comments of his own," mistysilver wrote in a post on Reddit. "I couldn't make out exactly what he was posting, but I presumed he was doing RM (reputation management) and asked my boss about it later. According to my boss, MS have just brought in a huge sweep of [social media marketing] managers to handle reputation management for the Xbox One."

post by another user revealed a Reddit account that was created a day after the Xbox One announcement that only posts positive comments about the Microsoft console. The Reddit account for mistysilver was created Friday and has no other posts.

Microsoft issued the following response saying the allegation is untrue: "There is no coordinated or sanctioned effort by Microsoft employees, or anyone paid by Microsoft, to unduly influence Reddit or other online forums."

According to mistysilver, however, many "high-profile" marketing firms are being hired by the company to post positive messages about the Xbox One on social media outlets. The anonymous user claims Microsoft is "dishing out the big bucks" to the firms in order to maintain a positive image for its upcoming console, which took a large hit to its public image Thursday when the company finally released information about its DRM requirements.

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"There is no coordinated or sanctioned effort by Microsoft employees, or anyone paid by Microsoft, to unduly influence Reddit or other online forums."

Sure, but that doesn't preclude a third party hired by Microsoft that may themselves be paying for an effort to influence Reddit or other online forums. It's all about the wording. Anyway, it could be some rabid MS fanboys, although I don't know why a person would want to manage the reputation of a company that they have nothing to do with. Sounds a little on the crazy side.

Although I doubt the credibility of this anonymous source, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true. Most companies would do this kind of online damage control when their brand image has been tarnished.

I'm going to wait until the end of E3 to make my decision. If I like what I see and I can tolerate Microsoft's limitations, then I'll buy the Xbox One. If I like what Sony has to offer with the PS4 (assuming they don't have the same limitations as the Xbox One), then I'll buy that instead.

Anaron said,

I'm going to wait until the end of E3 to make my decision. If I like what I see and I can tolerate Microsoft's limitations, then I'll buy the Xbox One. If I like what Sony has to offer with the PS4 (assuming they don't have the same limitations as the Xbox One), then I'll buy that instead.

You sir win today's "most sensible and well thought out comment" award. If we ever bump in to each other, remind me to buy you a drink.

"There is no coordinated or sanctioned effort by Microsoft employees, or anyone paid by Microsoft, to unduly influence Reddit or other online forums."

Key word there is Unduly. They feel that they are getting undue bad press and are seeking to recity that. If they feel that their console deserves good press and attention then in their eyes what they are doing is not 'unduly influencing' at all so technically they're not lying. Even though it is. Its all subjective.

Nilus said,
They feel that they are getting undue bad press and are seeking to recity that.

I'm sorry, but for the company to launch a coordinated effort of "mass-downvoting a ton of posts and comments", "paying marketing specialists to make positive comments" and "[hiring] marketing firms […] to post positive messages" is in my opinion not the right way to do that. Seriously. I find this pretty disturbing if true.

CSharp. said,

I'm sorry, but for the company to launch a coordinated effort of "mass-downvoting a ton of posts and comments", "paying marketing specialists to make positive comments" and "[hiring] marketing firms […] to post positive messages" is in my opinion not the right way to do that. Seriously. I find this pretty disturbing if true.

I agree with you. The point of my post was that Microsofts comeback saying they are not unduly influencing sites isn't an outright denial that they aren't doing it at all.

It is carefully worded so by them saying 'unduly' it is subjective, as they are effectively saying the bad press isn't warranted and they are fixing it.

It is pretty shameful and that 'denial' can be seen straight through.

FU! Every article I've seen so far from Neoass**** is all negative towards MS. You've got nothing good to say, stfu!

And neither do you apparently, so... ditto?

If you've read anything on the internet today, this isn't just Neowin by far. No one woke up overnight and said, "Hey, let's hate Microsoft today!"

Huh? If anything Neowin suckles at the teet of MS, so it's nice to see it from the other side. Regardless your comment is ridiculous, how can you have a news site of any sort that only focuses on the positive points of a news article. Never mind the fact that this is the type of article that will only have negative connotations due to its content. Grow up & wise up.

Oh come on! As if they wanted to post positive comments "paid for" they would have done so from Radmond Headquarters. Give me a break!

C#Rocks said,
Oh come on! As if they wanted to post positive comments "paid for" they would have done so from Radmond Headquarters. Give me a break!

I liked this. Assuming you mean't "Wouldn't post from redmond..."

I remember posting positive reviews for... well I prolly shouldn't say.. let's just say it's logo is a joker and it's an investment website. They didn't pay much, like 1 dollar for every reply my post got.

It's nothing to be ashamed of for MS to do that, if they did it.. which they probably did Money is hard to come by these days and sales are the way to go, if you know how to get them.

Izlude said,
It's nothing to be ashamed of for MS to do that, if they did it.. which they probably did

Uh...it absolutely *is* something to be ashamed of

"Microsoft denies allegation it hired contractors to post positive Xbox One comments on social networks" - of course it would.

Eh. Partially true. Stuff like this yes, maybe. But in the same regard, it can be used as a valid source. Enough proof, and any source can seem that way. No different than CNN, Fox News, or any other medium who lie and report completely false stats.

Forget Reddit, I'm not the only one who wants to ask you this Dot, have you been paid or not? That includes SWAG, free licenses, the latest Visual Studio ... come clean! /s

Dot Matrix said,
Reddit should never be allowed as a valid source.

THIS!
Two news items today using Reddit as a source! So when can we start writing news based on 4chan or even a couple of Facebook friends i have that swear they know some inside even that, you know, is really interesting blah blah.

I love Neowin, i like the whole unprofessional journalism ethos but stories like this are slowly turning it in to a satirical site.

Even if is true, I make my own decisions by making my own research, evaluation, and how I believe it would benefit me. This should not affect any individual that made the decision to purchase the XONE.

So MS is supposed to completely halt the rollout of the XB1 BEFORE IT'S BEEN EVEN COMPLETELY UNVEILED because of a bunch of chronic bitchers on the Internet.

That makes some FINE business sense.

There's really no point in complaining about something when you've only seen one side of the coin. Wait until the end of E3 to decide whether or not you'll buy the Xbox One.

im going to wait till its out and people i know get one so i can try it out myself then make up my mind.

Someone actually took the standard fanboy ad hominem seriously? Someone doesn't agree with so they MUST be paid to not agree. It could NEVER be someone doesn't actually agree with me because I'm a genius.

let's go off what we DO know.

1. Microsoft has been hit multiple times with anti competitive practises
2. ALOT of hoopla over the XBOX1 and DRM, internet connectivity requirements
3. last weeks announcement of downshifting the CPU in XBOX1 by 100-200 mhz.
4. the Ram to be used and heat issues(From posts that I have seen).

Xbox360 did not garner anywhere this amount of negative posts while in development

Then all the trouble surrounding Windows 8 and faux fixes for 8.1, namely the start menu

Someone at MS is way behind on the PR work at any rate.

1) caused by complaints by other companies. Google has had to settle a number of anti-competitive claims, there has been multiple investigations into Apple and they are in court right now for anti-competitive claims that other companies (book publishers) have admitted to. But I am not exactly sure how this fits in other than to distract and build anti-Microsoft sentiment.

2) I claim that I was wandering around Sony HQ, and saw them paying people to post negative remarks about Xbox DRM and connectivity. There is as much in what I wrote that can be proven in this article, so it must be true.

3) Again what does that have to do with the claims in the article. Microsoft did not announce this, it is a rumor, started by those Sony employees.

4) Again, unrelated, but the heat issue is a rumor started by Sony employees.

Not this much negativity - revise history much? There were no claims that the Cell processor was future proof, and would be able to solve cancer, while the 360 with the lowly DVD drive, wimpy PPC processor (which only a few years back Apple claimed made your computer a supercomputer), negativity about the lack of WiFi, negativity about the version without a HDD, negativity about DRM and not being able to resell Live Arcade games, negativity about the lack of backward compatibility, negativity about the lack of support of installable OSes like Linux, negativity about how the PS3 would be able to drive two displays at 60 frames 1080p, while the 360 couldn't do one at 1080p, negativity that the PS3 would have two Ethernet connections, while the 360 would only have one, negativity that the 360 would only play DRM content, and more?

What does Win8 have to do with this article?

Or is Sony doing a really good job at running a negative campaign?

JHBrown said,
Good post Chris!

I know, it was great, wasn't it? All that was missing is his rant about how BillG is a racist who is trying to purify the human race by murdering children in Africa. Yes, he has written that before, and was completely serious about it.

Risking sounding dumb here, but with all the NSA stuff linked to Microsoft, and everything else coming out recently, it really wouldn't surprise me. Reddit or not, it isn't to far fetched to believe a company would do this. Especially Microsoft, considering the XBox One is a (in this current time) monumental failure. (I know, it hasn't launched, but I mean in the eyes of the public. It will probably still sell well, but really, it shouldn't.)

I am completely unbiased in opinion here as well. If anything, you can look through my history and see I was a Microsoft fan. But here lately, I just feel duped using Skype, getting a Windows Phone. I feel betrayed somewhat.

If I had to fall off the fence, I'd fall on the side that this is true, in some form or fashion, and sadly Microsoft can't really be trusted at this time.

The NSA bit is only if Microsoft receives a court order, and it is not only them but Apple, Google, etc. All those companies have been caught sending GPS info home, so if you decide to get rid of your WP, you cannot escape to another company. I am not saying it is good, but don't blame the companies, blame the government.

As for Sony, if they received a court order, they would need to comply just like MS or any of the others. I recently bought a Sony Blu Ray player, and when setting it up they tell you they will send data about the movies you watch back to them. If you decline, you cannot use the player. So what do they do with that information? Will they give it to the NSA if asked for it? Do they examine the disks I watch to compare to a list of disapproved disks and report me if I watch them?

I already blamed the government before this. I blame myself to, for not standing up sooner, and I still probably won't now because I have 3 years of Nursing school to focus on. It sucks. But I still blame Microsoft/Google/Etc for not standing up either. It's a collective fault, not just any one person, in that regard.

As for Sony, I don't plan on buying a PS4 either. I don't actually think I own any Sony products. (That's not on purpose.) But I see your point. I'm probably just skipping this generation of consoles. Honestly, I only ever played Madden, considering they no longer make PC versions (a farce I tell you!) and random XBLA games, like Marble Blast. So I am honestly not missing out on much. Well, Madden is much to me, but I suppose I just have to suffer.

I know my PC isn't anymore private than a console, with all the information released. And I am using Windows OS. I can't escape it all, and become a caveman. I have studies to worry about (at least helping people as a nurse, I will feel better for all the stuff I don't do to help others, but should). But believe me, if I could I would. It is unfortunate, but I am at least going to start voting with my wallet finally, instead of giving into urges for a single title.

I don't know what to do in regards to the government and security, but if there was something I could do, I would. =/

The amount of jealousy and butthurt is at an all time high. I love being a Microsoft user watching the other guys squirm.

Same kind of comments in threads and people who are passionate about Android, Apple, Samsung, BB...and more. So I guess everyone is jealous of one another and....butthurt.

People are not happy about change, restrictions, and limitations put on any product. Some are, but not all. It is how it is always going to be. I dont just use something from one company/manufacturer. I find use in about all of the major companies (cept Apple, just don't have any use for their products. I dont use a tablet much and I prefer Windows OS and Android phones). I dont limit myself and try to experience/use something from everyone if it suits me.

Everyone is not the same...everyone has their own voice and opinions. Call it jealousy and people being butt hurt...I call it individuality and it is what makes things like the tech industry exciting. If everyone use one product, how dull would that be.

Let's rephrase this claim:

A person with no past history, just happened to be at Microsoft when the Xbox was announced, was wandering the halls looking into people's offices, and happened to be close enough to people's monitors to see up/down voting of comments, but does not know what they were voting on so it can be assumed that it must have been about Xbox because it was around the time it was announced. And, of course, her boss from some unknown marketing company that is not related to the Xbox knows what was happening, knows how many people were involved, how much money was spent on this alleged PR campaign, and was happy to divulge all this info to a person who ran to the internet to tell everybody about it.

First off, I have been on MS campus a few times for developer conferences, and they don't let you just randomly wander the halls, and you wear a big white sticker saying you must be escorted by an employee. Second, employees are in their office, and if somebody just walked into their office, they wouldn't just let you look over their shoulder. Contractors are either 2 or more in one office, or they don't even work on campus, and wouldn't enjoy unknown people looking over their shoulder. Third, if this were happening, they would not do it on MS campus. There is IP address logging and a large number of ratings from a small area in Redmond would be an instant red flag. Four, you don't need marketing manager specialists to read a comment, decide if it is Xbox positive/negative, and click a + or -. Any trained monkey can do that. Six, why hire a group of people at all? MS has 70,000 employees. Ballmer sends a note to the department heads, telling them to allow their employees to boost the Xbox ratings. Seven, if this did happen, that company just lost their contract with Microsoft. We will know shortly if it is true, because if true there will shortly be a company looking for work and a fired marketing employee.

I don't know (or care) either way but i would not be surprised if it was true, i would be surprised if they admitted to it though.

If it was true they would be doing it with Windows 8. We all know how bad Windows 8's reputation is currently. We all can see how they had to secede on certain demands like "boot to desktop", start button, etc.

Either the people they hired to do rep. management are absolutely useless or this is b*llsh*t. In fact I think it is more likely someone hired people to trash Windows 8's rep. It could of been a big threat to many companies if it took off quickly. A lot of people were using dumb reasons to say it sucked like: "it is too jarring", "metro looks ugly", "it is made for touchscreens" (even though there are a # of improvements for desktops), "no one wants app on the pc", etc.

ThatDev707 said,
If it was true they would be doing it with Windows 8. We all know how bad Windows 8's reputation is currently. We all can see how they had to secede on certain demands like "boot to desktop", start button, etc.

Either the people they hired to do rep. management are absolutely useless or this is b*llsh*t. In fact I think it is more likely someone hired people to trash Windows 8's rep. It could of been a big threat to many companies if it took off quickly. A lot of people were using dumb reasons to say it sucked like: "it is too jarring", "metro looks ugly", "it is made for touchscreens" (even though there are a # of improvements for desktops), "no one wants app on the pc", etc.


What? Windows 8 is an incredibly great operating system. You don't know what you're talking about. People love Windows 8.
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I'm a paid shill btw.

Yes, I believe a random poster called 'mistysilver' when they say that they were in a place talking to a couple people then another person and they have the skinny on what happened.

All of which is unverified and well, unable to be verified. Also, since reddit happens to have people with a gazillion fake accounts, both troll and random posting ones, it is safe to assume that some joe blow off the street made an account to simply be their 'talk good about xbox one' account, rather than it being a MS account, which would have been created in advance as it would have been a part of their media blitz project and they wouldn't have waited until the day AFTER to make it.

Sheesh.

By the way, kudos on the awesome 'news' post. Top case cracking there.

The fact that the user is anonymous was mentioned multiple times in the article, and the fact that the account was created today is noted as well. No claim was made about the authenticity of the allegation.

There are countless places with fake accounts where accurate information about Microsoft, Google, Apple and other major tech companies has been posted anonymously. We've reported on news from Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, tumblr, Weibo, Reddit and other places that have turned out to be accurate.

I completely understand the fact that the allegation very well could be untrue -- which is exactly why it was presented as such. But if we only posted news and press releases, we wouldn't be doing a good job covering news, and the responses would always be, "Duh, this has been rumored for months!"

Yes but if you posted every rumor or comment on reddit this place would be a clusterf*ck and unreliable. There is a thing called reasoning. Common sense says we should wait until it at least has enough evidence to seem plausible.

Common sense would say why would MS do this for Xbox but not Windows 8?

"news" from Reddit?

No clue if MS does this, but about 6 or 7 months ago I noticed a sudden negative change in tone about Xbox isolated to some core game forums. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony are hiring people to do this crap. Sony is the company that got caught creating fake movie reviewers for its Sony films like A Knights Tale and using fake viral videos to sell PSP. If MS are hiring people then they're not hiring enough, that's for sure.

The level of vitriol aimed at MS in recent months seems orchestrated to me. Also the sudden case of amnesia about Sony's past behavior is odd. Sony, the company that installed rootkits on PCs for DRM and invented online passes is suddenly being heralded as our DRM savior? Sony the company that owns major movie/tv studios and sold its two previous consoles on the merit of DVD/Bluray movies is all about games only now? This is video games and people act like it is life and death.

Moral of the story take everything you read on the net with a grain of salt and don't let people rewrite history to fit their agenda.

I disagree what is on the line is corporate integrity. if you lose the trust of the people, you can never get it back.. tread lightly MS

chrisj1968 said,
I disagree what is on the line is corporate integrity. if you lose the trust of the people, you can never get it back.. tread lightly MS

If Sony still has integrity after their Rootkit DRM on their cds, making up fake reviews for their movies, remote wiping Linux installs from their PS3 customers, putting online passes in all of their first party games, telling people to get two jobs to afford the PS3, losing their PSN customers personal and financial data because they didn't encrypt it, and having their online gaming service shutdown for a month.... if they can survive all that and still have "integrity" then anyone can.

I have been saying that for a while, about how the PS3 was all about multimedia. Blu Ray was the big feature, people would get a second job just to get that Blu Ray player which was laden with DRM. The talk about how bad the Xbox was because they did not support Blu Ray movies, and how the Xbox One was going to be junk because of a rumor that you would not be able to watch Blu Ray because of a Sony exclusive on consoles. There was movie streaming, Netflix was first on the PS3, and Sony made a big deal about that. Back in December on the official PlayStation blog (http://blog.us.playstation.com...treaming-in-the-living-room) they proudly proclaimed that they were #1 for Netflix use. Then there was the add on to use your PS3 as a DVR, and finally people talking about how the PS3 is so great at streaming AV through your house.

Then the Xbox one is shown off, and the tone changed. Who cares about movies, who cares about multimedia, who cares about TV. The PS4 is all about games, while the Xbox One deemphasizes games in favor of AV.

chrisj1968 said,
I disagree what is on the line is corporate integrity. if you lose the trust of the people, you can never get it back.. tread lightly MS

So you are suggesting MS does this for Xbox but ignored all the bashing that Windows 8 continues to receive? It is a lot more believable that Sony is doing something than MS. If MS engages in this behavior we would have seen it with Windows 8. That is crucial to the company. The xbox could bomb and they would barely notice.

ThatDev707 said,
MS does this for Xbox but ignored all the bashing that Windows 8 continues to receive?[...] If MS engages in this behavior we would have seen it with Windows 8.

Are you sure we haven't?

MS pays me. I'm rollin' in the dough. Wait that was a dream I had once... but it was Apple. Yeah, a dream.

Xbox One will be fine if they, uh, tweak a couple of things. Seriously, if the masses speak with their wallets, MS will bend. I also think that Sony is going to go a similar route if not now, eventually. Yep, welcome to the future!

SierraSonic said,
Only because you allow it.

You could argue that because people buy into these systems it's fine to do them this way and to an extent that's the case but these types of closed off systems started on other platforms first, PC with a number of digital stores and DRM like this. Mobile platforms with their own lock-in and so on. And yet, people buy them, buy into them and so on.

Hate it or love it, even before the idea of this system found it's way onto the Xbox One it's been in effect all over the place and I never saw people rage over it and not buy/use the services.

Well, I'm not at all surprised. MS has been losing the innovation and cutting edge war for about 5 to 10 years solid. maybe a bit earlier

chrisj1968 said,
I would say copy but rather, compete.

This makes even less sense than your original post.
Your attempt at MS hate is quite sad too. I think you need to find a new hobby.

I've gotta agree with a few folks here... reporting a post from reddit - especially an ANONYMOUS post on reddit - as news is questionable at best. Lots of traffic here folks, no need to over-sensationalize.

Anarkii said,
It makes sense. The Xbox One isn't doing itself any favors with the DRM and TV approach its taking.

oh get real. TV is a million times more popular than core games. Focusing on TV at reveal was not a mistake. Only mistake was having that ridiculously stupid Quantum Break trailer that confused normal people and not having enough content for women and kids. Otherwise they made the right play recognizing Apple/Google as a more direct competition than woeful Sony who is selling buildings now to survive.

The DRM stuff may be necessity of having to install games to HDD for performance reasons. I think they should give people the option to choose to use the disc as a verification system, but reward people who choose online verification with free DLC for the game. That would be my solution to this.

Anarkii said,
It makes sense. The Xbox One isn't doing itself any favors with the DRM and TV approach its taking.
About two weeks ago my roommate who doesn't play any games said he wanted one strictly for the TV functions it's going to have...

Haha wow, relying on anonymous reddit posts as source... Neowin you've reached a new low lol

I downvote comments I disagree with on reddit, ain't that how it works? Guess I'm contracted out too. That and reddit is known for throwaway accounts

It's noted as an anonymous user and the fact that the user registered today was noted as well. The article was written with enough information for you to make up your own opinion on the matter, which you did.

artfuldodga said,
I don't know if I'd call it "information"

You used facts from the article to say why you didn't believe the claim... I'd call that information.

What I find weird is that you used the quote Microsoft provided TheNextWeb (who originally asked microsoft the questions) without even linking them in anyway to your article so the readers can have the full understanding of what's going on.

You're trying to make it a controversial thing when it's really not.

ctrl_alt_delete said,
What I find weird is that you used the quote Microsoft provided TheNextWeb (who originally asked microsoft the questions) without even linking them in anyway to your article so the readers can have the full understanding of what's going on.

You're trying to make it a controversial thing when it's really not.


Microsoft had a standard response that it gave websites, apparently. I didn't take anything from The Next Web -- it's not a website I visit often (not that it's a bad website).

If I make an anonymous account on reddit and post that Sony is hiring people to feed the flames will you make an article about it as well?

To believe this is ridiculous. I guess we will see the MS trolls. If MS really does this kind of thing, why didn't they do it for Windows 8? That is a lot more crucial to the success of the whole company than Xbox. Xbox could bomb and they would barely notice. Windows 8 is crucial to the future of MS.

ThatDev707 said,
If I make an anonymous account on reddit and post that Sony is hiring people to feed the flames will you make an article about it as well?

Depends. How much attention will it get on Reddit -- will it be at the top of the gaming section? Will it actually be in line with marketing practices and make sense from that angle? How will it make sense given the response to the PlayStation 4 on social media, which has been mixed but still fairly positive? Will it have other users who find an account that implies your claims have some credence?

Anthony Tosie said,

Depends. How much attention will it get on Reddit -- will it be at the top of the gaming section? Will it actually be in line with marketing practices and make sense from that angle? How will it make sense given the response to the PlayStation 4 on social media, which has been mixed but still fairly positive? Will it have other users who find an account that implies your claims have some credence?

Right now most gamers are ****ed at MS. Any negative article will gain mass views...

Except it doesn't make sense given that their is no evidence MS has done something similar for the more crucial product Windows 8 which also received a ton of negative publicity and comments. Windows 8 is crucial to the future of MS. Xbox could bomb and they would barely care.

Care to explain why MS would do this for Xbox but ignore Windows 8? Maybe you just wanted an easy way to get views. Why is Sony which has been fined over fake reviews ignored? Who is to say they have not been fanning the flames?

I forgot you only get your evidence from posters on reddit. Who cares if they were fined in a court of law with actual evidence.

Wow you found an xbox fan who joined reddit after the Xbox announcement!!!!! That must be conclusive proof. /s

I guess no xbox fans would want to join places like reddit/neogaf/b3d/etc. and stay on the bleeding edge of xbox news. No it must be a MS employee because someone on reddit said so...

ThatDev707 said,

Right now most gamers are ****ed at MS. Any negative article will gain mass views...

Except it doesn't make sense given that their is no evidence MS has done something similar for the more crucial product Windows 8 which also received a ton of negative publicity and comments. Windows 8 is crucial to the future of MS. Xbox could bomb and they would barely care.

Care to explain why MS would do this for Xbox but ignore Windows 8? Maybe you just wanted an easy way to get views. Why is Sony which has been fined over fake reviews ignored? Who is to say they have not been fanning the flames?

I forgot you only get your evidence from posters on reddit. Who cares if they were fined in a court of law with actual evidence.

Wow you found an xbox fan who joined reddit after the Xbox announcement!!!!! That must be conclusive proof. /s

I guess no xbox fans would want to join places like reddit/neogaf/b3d/etc. and stay on the bleeding edge of xbox news. No it must be a MS employee because someone on reddit said so...


Nowhere in the article above does it say the claims made are accurate. I described them as allegations and never painted them as fact. If you want to say otherwise, that's simply incorrect -- and the article itself is proof of that.

Prior to release, Windows 8 didn't have anywhere near the backlash of Xbox One, and gamers are far more active on social media outlets than OS enthusiasts. It would be perfectly within the realm of possibility that Microsoft used this practice for Xbox One and Windows 8. And it would also be within the realm of possibility that Microsoft did the same for Windows 8 and no one ever knew.

As I already stated in a comment you responded to, we constantly use social media outlets to report rumors -- and we report them as just that: rumors. Nowhere was anything painted as conclusive.

Your rationale that I did this for "mass views" is absurd. I posted the article because it's gaining attention on Reddit and is noteworthy. I'm not going to disclose Neowin's payment practices, but I will just leave it at the fact that getting more hits for this article wouldn't even pay for a decent meal at a McDonald's.

I'm not going to keep responding to your comments as it's a circular argument at this point.

Edited by Anthony Tosie, Jun 8 2013, 5:19am :

The Xbox has to be a long term success, people will quickly work out if it's **** or not. It's not like they can sell 10m units and then not have to worry because the next one can fix any problems in the coming year, the One has to sell 10m units every year for 10 years.

I can understand them doing some RM over a certain aspect (perhaps the Always on internet) to hush up the nay sayers (like the nay sayers who have ruined win8's rep) but there's no way they can faux the whole unit.

I really doubt they are doing this. If they are in fact doing this where were these people for Windows 8? The Xbox business is tiny compared to Windows. MS let the reputation of Windows 8 go down the drain.

I personally think there is more good than bad with Windows 8 and 8.1 seems like a solid effort by MS. This news story has no facts to back it up just a comment on redditt...

MDboyz said,
Lol Reddit is a trusty source ...
Exactly what you said, except the complete opposite. Reddit is shady as hell. It has become 4chan in many ways.

I understand you were being sarcastic -- I just wanted to be clear for those who don't know much about Reddit.

This is all very vague. In my opinion, Neowin should have contacted Microsoft first and then post this news article.
That said, the Xbox is indeed horrible if you would ask me.

DPyro said,
Right, because Microsoft is going to admit they pay people to make positive comments about their products.

With an attitude like that, you would believe any accusation anyone ever made about Microsoft with no regard for any argument Microsoft offered in response.

That makes you an unreasonable person.

I am not surprised many company do this, heck i expect Sony sends some postive comments about their system and about xbox, everyone does this, and i don't know why everyone on N4G thinks its Microsoft ONLY LOL, If the PS has similar DRM its all gonna go to hell HAHA

mega31 said,
I am not surprised

Microsoft is going down the gurgler fast. People don't want its DRM games consoles, they don't want Windows 8, they don't want their Zune, their phones are struggling to gain acceptance.

Microsoft should instead provide what people want, They seem to have their head totally buried in the sand.

LOL your taking one part of my full sentence jeez LOL, I am not surprised that ANYONE would do this, Microsoft including, sony probably does this too so its not Microsoft only

dvb2000 said,

Microsoft is going down the gurgler fast. People don't want its DRM games consoles, they don't want Windows 8, they don't want their Zune, their phones are struggling to gain acceptance.

Microsoft should instead provide what people want, They seem to have their head totally buried in the sand.

What are you smoking? Windows 8 is steadily gaining more acceptance and traction considering it is the biggest revamp since '95. Windows 8.1 will only improve on that. Windows Phone although not dominating the market is the third best selling platform and steadily growing market share every month. Xbox is still the best selling console as well. I love it when people plaster obituaries for things that aren't even out yet. How do you know how people are going to respond to the One yet? Everyone knows that the people who are the loudest on the net are a minority compared to the overall user base anyways...

Obry said,
Xbox is still the best selling console

I've bought 3 of the gen 1 and 360 xboxes, but guess what? I havn't really used the xbox 360 for months, seems unless you are willing to keep paying Microsoft for "gold" subscriptions, your xbox is almost useless. It'll be in the bin shortly, replaced by a $100 streaming media player.

I have ZERO intention of buying the new xbox, which is just more DRM riddled and crippled and subscription based. I may as well buy a brick, as an XBOX ONE.

mega31 said,
I am not surprised many company do this, heck i expect Sony sends some postive comments about their system and about xbox, everyone does this, and i don't know why everyone on N4G thinks its Microsoft ONLY LOL, If the PS has similar DRM its all gonna go to hell HAHA
I bet you are one of the Microsoft well paid employee. Want to convince us about Zune?

Krome said,
I bet you are one of the Microsoft well paid employee. Want to convince us about Zune?

Zune? We are in 2013...

dvb2000 said,

Microsoft is going down the gurgler fast. People don't want its DRM games consoles, they don't want Windows 8, they don't want their Zune, their phones are struggling to gain acceptance.

Microsoft should instead provide what people want, They seem to have their head totally buried in the sand.

Really? Who are these people you talk about? For however many people you find that 'dont want blah and blah' i can find an equal amount that do. Same as it's always been for everything in the world ever.

You can bury your head in the sand as much as you want but MS aren't going anywhere

dvb2000 said,

I've bought 3 of the gen 1 and 360 xboxes, but guess what? I havn't really used the xbox 360 for months, seems unless you are willing to keep paying Microsoft for "gold" subscriptions, your xbox is almost useless. It'll be in the bin shortly, replaced by a $100 streaming media player.

I have ZERO intention of buying the new xbox, which is just more DRM riddled and crippled and subscription based. I may as well buy a brick, as an XBOX ONE.

so because YOU don't use it, somehow it's a perfect indication that nobody else does either?

What are you talking about? PS4 offline is 100% official, check the link.

Sony Worldwide Studios' vice president Michael Denny: "PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all."

Shuhei Yoshida: "Did we consider it? No, we didn't consider it. The main reason being that many countries don't have robust Internet connections." & "You can go offline totally."

Mark Cerny: "PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected."

Edited by Geezy, Jun 8 2013, 9:31pm :

timster said,
so because YOU don't use it, somehow it's a perfect indication that nobody else does either?

I see the paid Microsoft Social Media PR team is on the job.