Microsoft and Google now "working together" on YouTube Windows Phone app

There's been a war of words between Microsoft and Google over the release of Microsoft's revamped YouTube app for Windows Phone for the last couple of weeks. Today, it looks like the two companies have finally called a truce, but at the expense of the new app.

Earlier today, Microsoft sent Neowin a brief email, which is credited as a joint statement from Microsoft and YouTube, concerning the status of Microsoft's latest Windows Phone YouTube app. We have posted that statement below in full:

Microsoft and YouTube are working together to update the new YouTube for Windows Phone app to enable compliance with YouTube’s API terms of service, including enabling ads, in the coming weeks. Microsoft will replace the existing YouTube app in Windows Phone Store with the previous version during this time.

If you have been keeping up on this story, you know that Microsoft's 2.0 version of the YouTube app, launched on May 7th, did not display Google's ads. About a week later, Google sent Microsoft a cease and desist letter, demanding that the downloads for the app be halted, as Google felt the app was violating the terms of YouTube's API.

Microsoft replied they would be happy to put in ads, if Google would allow full access to the YouTube APIs for their Windows Phone app. Today's new statement would seem to be a compromise for both parties, with Microsoft pulling the new YouTube app and Google seemingly now prepared to offer access to the full API set for YouTube so that Microsoft can create an app that complies with Google's rules.

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I hope for a METRO windows 8 app for chrome instead of that same old Trapezoid shaped tabs look. If there will be an official youtube app, there needs to be less frequent ads due to adblocker not being avaliable.

So is the new app going to be the only mobile app that shows apps? Even Google's own mobile site (which the current WP YouTube app is a wrapper of) doesn't display apps. The YouTube app on iOS doesn't show ads (and never has), Android, BlackBerry - no ads. So why is Google forcing MS to put ads in the new app?

Not going to download it and can live without watching retarded YouTube videos. Hope independent services like Vevo take over eventually.

Google had to settle for this!

With billions in pocket they never made apps for Win8 to disappoint users in their Microsoft related experience.

Now that the inevitable has happened, they cried at first about their ad revenue and now working with MS for the same. NO OTHER REASON!

They just want people to be more inclined towards buying their SPYWARE "ANDROID".

As I said before, it was a necessary evil. If Microsoft played fair, then they wouldn't have reached where they are right now with Google. I wish it would have played out differently but that's what happens when you try to ignore a potential 3rd player in the smartphone OS game.

It's a little more complicated then simply using a registered trademark for another product. Microsoft's YouTube app played YouTube videos, not DailyMotion or Vimeo videos.

See here:

YouTube is consistently one of the top apps downloaded by smartphone users on all platforms, but Google has refused to work with us to develop an app on par with the apps for other platforms. Since we updated the YouTube app to ensure our mutual customers a similar YouTube experience, ratings and feedback have been overwhelmingly positive. We'd be more than happy to include advertising but need Google to provide us access to the necessary APIs. In light of Larry Page's comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers.

http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...-if-we-can-use-googles-apis

According MS, Google is evil that spy on us. And now, MS and Google are working together ;-)

So, we have two options:
a) Google is not evil anymore.
b) MS is sacrificing the privacy of WP users.
Pick one.

Microsoft is scared of Google. Microsoft doesn't believe the BS they have been saying all this time. It's only paranoid i***ts that believe that crap. They are hoping that their campaign can scare foolish people away from Google to use their own crappy mobile products.

To be honest this is not a good thing. I'm a huge fan of Google and Android, but Google did a poor job designing a youtube app for android.
They will design it in a way that you can't run it in the background so you could use it as an app to stream music. 9 out of 10 times I use Youtube to play music not to watch videos.

Renvy said,
To be honest this is not a good thing. I'm a huge fan of Google and Android, but Google did a poor job designing a youtube app for android.
They will design it in a way that you can't run it in the background so you could use it as an app to stream music. 9 out of 10 times I use Youtube to play music not to watch videos.

Why on earth would you use you tube for music?

Cause Google have made it clear that they are the only ones allowed to make a yt app on other platforms, if ms makes the app now it will use the old iframe, which is not much better than the mobile site.

Boo hoo, I can't listen to music on YouTube. I can't listen to music on my TV and have the screen turned off. My TV is horrible.

Google should come out with a Music App on Android that allows me to upload my own music on their server and allow me to stream it to my devices. Perhaps they should also come out with a paid service similar to Spotify to allow me to listen to music I don't own. Then Google would be the perfect company.

DarkNet said,
Perhaps they should also come out with a paid service similar to Spotify to allow me to listen to music I don't own. Then Google would be the perfect company.

Is this sarcasm?

HawkMan said,

Why on earth would you use you tube for music?

Yes I could use spotify. But there are certain channels on Youtube that I follow who on regular basis bring out new music, I like. I know the quality isn't the best but on 720p the music is good enough for my ears.

Renvy said,

Is this sarcasm?

Go with what your gut instinct tells you.

Renvy said,

Yes I could use spotify. But there are certain channels on Youtube that I follow who on regular basis bring out new music, I like. I know the quality isn't the best but on 720p the music is good enough for my ears.

I really would like to know what this mythical channel that Spotify or Google Music doesn't cover. On top of that, you are streaming hefty for 720p


I guess it's a personal choise of wich service you like the most. I was most familiar with youtube.
My internet capacity is sort of unlimited so I don't care.

Awesome! Seems like Microsoft's bold move worked. Google didn't want to make an app of their own, refused to give access to MS and was actively working to keep WP small. So Microsoft build their own full featured app without premision.

They actually crossed the line with some of the features so Google thought they had a case against them. Then Microsoft immediatly dropped those features. Google could then continue the case based on the remaining offenses. But those were actually their own fault because they refused access.

In a way it would have been even better if Google had continued their case. Microsoft could have had a major victory over them. But it was a win/win situation for them anyway.

M_Lyons10 said,
Ah... I'm glad to see Google grew up a little...

Just as it was good to see Microsoft growing up a little, instead resorting to piracy when they don't get it their way.

Now they just need to grow up a little more and stop the FUD smear campaigns and discuss their points and concerns in a mature manner

Piracy? Its Google's own public YouTube API that does not include ads.
MS wrote it to their own public API, Google has no leg to stand on legally. No 3rd party app shows ads because of this, why would MS do any different?

Google got pushed into a corner and was forced to cooperate.

And its normal that MS would pull the youtube app from the sture the moment Google would develop one. Microsoft made it because Google wouldn't.

I wasn't considering adblock to be piracy. Adblocking isn't piracy, it is only actual deprivation of money from content makers, and not a theoretical one like piracy.

But you're definitely right that Google didn't provide an API for it, so it's great to see they're going to address that in the future, hopefully the API will be rolled into the main API for 3rd party developers.

I was actually very pleased with Microsoft's new Youtube app, even without the ability to download videos. I hope that whenever it returns, its as good, but I somehow doubt it.

It will be interesting to see if it gets remotely wiped. Regardless, I'll be going back to MetroTube where I can continue to download videos without ads..

google got smacked and now forced to cooperate. they've been exposed for what they really are, lacking integrity. with behavior such as snitching,stealing,spying,whining, I don't know who would be a fan of such a company.

Title should be "Google forced to cooperate with Microsoft because they're scared to go into a legal battle with them"

Edited by vcfan, May 24 2013, 8:57pm :

How did they get smacked down? MS is complying to Google's request as well. They are working together without going to the courts. Good job on both their parts and technically, they both got smacked down.

Sure, Google could of drawn this out and taken it to court like other companies who refuse to work out issues without the courts. Google didnt have to do anything and this could of been drawn out for years. So again, good form on both their parts a I hope this kind of thing continues.

And if Google wouldn't of sent the initial request to MS, I am betting it would be a while before they started to work together. This doesn't mean everything else will be great between them tho...but I hope this continues.

Title should be "Google forced to cooperate with Microsoft because they're scared to go into a legal battle with them"

If Google was scared, they wouldnt have given MS the warning in the first place. They have the money to draw this out in court which would cost lots of money on both sides.

Edited by techbeck, May 24 2013, 8:09pm :

or microsoft used google's API's and violated their terms of service of their use....

Umm... if you didn't know, Microsoft used the API as the API is provided. They didn't 'remove' the ads, the API is flawed in which it doesn't show the ads. Many devs have said this. This is why Google needs to work with Microsoft in order to get the ads to work because they are not part of the standard API. This is also why most (if not all) third-party YouTube apps don't show ads. Which is why Google is getting slammed against their own complaint. If they truly want their ads, they need to fix their standard API.

techbeck said,
Sure, Google could of drawn this out and taken it to court like other companies who refuse to work out issues without the courts. Google didnt have to do anything and this could of been drawn out for years. So again, good form on both their parts a I hope this kind of thing continues.

And if Google wouldn't of sent the initial request to MS, I am betting it would be a while before they started to work together. This doesn't mean everything else will be great between them tho...but I hope this continues.

If Google was scared, they wouldnt have given MS the warning in the first place. They have the money to draw this out in court which would cost lots of money on both sides.

In my view, what Micrsooft did was brilliant. Apparently to comply with Google's TOS for youtube, one needs to show adds, but the public accessible api doesn't provide ads. Would this have gone to court, there would likely only be two possible outcomes: Google's TOS needs to be changed as they do not provide ways to comply with it in the first place, or Google being forced to provide ads into the public api so that third party software would be able to comply with the TOS. Google would ceetainky take the second option, which is what is happening here.

I hope this opens the door for Gmail , G+ , Gmap and Hangout apps as well , but then we know Google , it just had to get its arse look less evil in front of millions of people only to "show" that they actually follow good industry practices and ethics

MS should release all apps which aren't present on WP with violations which actually makes news and finally gets the developer attention

I'm just wondering if MS will have to reciprocate with Office 365 for Android. To me that's an unequal trade. Office 365 would legitimize Android as a platform in businesses which is not what Microsoft wants. Eithe way it will be interesting if this also pans out to Google apps being made for Windows 8 as well.

Ugh. There is absolutely no reason for Google to offer those services to Windows Phone users. It's not like Google has an obligation to be present on all small smartphone operating systems.

I'm just wondering if MS will have to reciprocate with Office 365 for Android

They already did by removing the download option and now providing ads.

Office365 is cross platform, you can use several enterprise server systems to download mail or activesync (which google chose to remove from its services) and the Web office tools all work in Android just fine.

bogas04 said,
I hope this opens the door for Gmail , G+ , Gmap and Hangout apps as well , but then we know Google , it just had to get its arse look less evil in front of millions of people only to "show" that they actually follow good industry practices and ethics

MS should release all apps which aren't present on WP with violations which actually makes news and finally gets the developer attention

Gmail? WP comes with a mail app, you can get your gmail s there. Separate gmail apps make no sense on any platform.
G+ if only anyone cared... It's a solution to a problem that didn't exist, a platform that no one needed as it already existed and they already had their friends there.


Since MS has an interest in FB they're not going to push google for anything G+ related, if anything they would just hook G+ into the universal feed from all platforms that IS WP.

Hangouts is a cool thing , I agree g+ and gmail won't really change anything for wp , but hangout does.
Anyways , I am really satisfied that I placed the bet right ,WP8 has received so many good apps since its arrival and is still developing its ecosystem

HawkMan,
Gmail? WP comes with a mail app, you can get your gmail s there. Separate gmail apps make no sense on any platform.

Thanks for the laugh. You clearly don't use Gmail, or you use it like an amateur. I suppose you have access to priority mail? Labels?

The possibility that there may be some way that Google cannot harvest your information and use it against you in any way they wish really worried them, and they jumped to make sure they plugged that hole.


So, that's how you get google to cooperate, you make your own app without their ads.

Seems to me they both got their way. Google got MS to cooperate and vise versa. Just hope they continue to work together as its a win for everyone.

or this is how you get Microsoft to cooperate. make Microsoft **** their pants and ask them to remove the app.

Wow. How could you come to that conclusion? Have you read any of the back story to this? I guess not.

You do realize MS refused to remove it on request and published it anyway. then google went and said. ok, we'll cooperate and help with an official WP app.

techbeck said,
Nice. Glad they are working together and hope they continue to do so.

Its a new trick from google. First they pulled out the app from store. Now they will delay the development process as much as they can and finally they will add loads of ads so the app would be unusable. Bloody google... I really like their search engine and maps and youtube but more and more I hate them more and use other services like bing if available