Microsoft announces Xbox One Digital TV Tuner for European markets

Microsoft has long touted the television capabilities of its Xbox One, and soon more European markets will be able to use the console's TV features, such as OneGuide, thanks to a digital TV tuner that will launch in October.

Xbox One owners in the U.K., France, Italy, Germany and Spain will be able to use the TV tuner, which will plug into the console's USB port and act as an alternate to its HDMI-input method of controlling subscription TV service set-top boxes. With the tuner, users will be able to access over-the-air TV signals in the aforementioned markets; the tuner will also work with OneGuide, the programming listing found in Xbox One.

According to a post on Microsoft's Xbox Wire website, the tuner will "support free-to-air DVB-T, DVB-T2 and DVB-C television standards." Microsoft notes the tuner will work with all the current Xbox One TV functionality for cable and satellite services, such as pausing live TV, navigating through channels with Kinect or SmartGlass, and using the console's snap mode to watch TV while simultaneously using games or apps.

The Xbox One Digital TV Tuner will be available in "late October," costing ₤24.99 in the U.K. and €29.99 in France, Italy, Germany and Spain.

Source: Xbox Wire | Image via Microsoft

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Just got an invite to possibly in a preview program for this.

Dear Xbox Preview Participant,

We recently announced [http://news.xbox.com/2014/08/xbox-one-digital-tv-tuner]an exciting new accessory for our fans in Europe: The Xbox One Digital TV Tuner. This new accessory brings Xbox One users in the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain premium live TV features on Xbox One, such as the ability to access your favorite shows and channels through OneGuide. While it won't be available for the public until October, we're excited to offer a select few Xbox Preview participants in these regions a first look at the Xbox One Digital TV Tuner up close, as well as a chance to be among the first to give us feedback on this new device by using it in your very own home.


The Xbox One is getting there,
They need to let you add 2 of these and record to disk from them
Add PLEX support (which is being worked on)
And IPlayer (Likewise)
Then I can retire my MCE box.

Question is, if I get one and plug it in and say Xbox Watch TV, can I use it and the HDMI pass though together - how will it know....

what they should have done is taken the Aereo approach and stream the content over the internet, that way they could do away with any extra hardware and could provide DVR like functionality through VOD, it would work like "watch later"

SkyGo + VirginMedia TV Anywhere + BT directly natively integrated into the One Guide would be brilliant. And then make the XboxOne TV Software available on all Windows PC's + Cheap Chromecast type hardware with access to universal apps.

And this is how the beeb blows about £100m of our license payers money on a failed in house project to replace tape video with digital video, when they could of bought an off the shelf software package to do the same - 'Adobe' anyone?:-

DMI - where the money went

Contractors - £46.7m
IT - £37.2m
Siemens costs - £24.9m
Consultancy - £8.4m
BBC staff - £6.4m
Other - £2.3m*

source = http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-28690004
* WTF? - escorts / outside entertainment?

I'm dumping my Virgin Tivo (pretty crap anyway, saved money will go on increased connection upgrade and a mobile phone) and going to watch 'catch-up' / none live tv instead which apparently you don't have to pay for a UK TV license for (saves about £140 every year)

Wonder if you all know that the BBC gets nearly £4 billion a year from the UK people?

Hope people don't think my last post was off topic and anti BBC, but you get one of these devices (live digital tv tuner) and you will qualify for a UK TV license and the yearly cost that goes with it!

Simon Fowkes said,
And this is how the beeb blows about £100m of our license payers money on a failed in house project to replace tape video with digital video, when they could of bought an off the shelf software package to do the same - 'Adobe' anyone?:-

DMI - where the money went

Contractors - £46.7m
IT - £37.2m
Siemens costs - £24.9m
Consultancy - £8.4m
BBC staff - £6.4m
Other - £2.3m*

source = http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-28690004
* WTF? - escorts / outside entertainment?

I'm dumping my Virgin Tivo (pretty crap anyway, saved money will go on increased connection upgrade and a mobile phone) and going to watch 'catch-up' / none live tv instead which apparently you don't have to pay for a UK TV license for (saves about £140 every year)

Wonder if you all know that the BBC gets nearly £4 billion a year from the UK people?


The BBC is trying to get the govt to require a tv licence for catchup too :(

Not getting deep into this, but its not a legality, its a statute (UK is governed by common law). You don't hurt someone its not 'illegal' under the 'law', this is based on statutes that you have to consent to simply by being a citizen and acknowledging your citizen identity which is spelt in all capital letters.

Anyway most uk households have one and this is no more of an effort than company a selling a DVB box or any TV that comes with DVB built in.

Come on man, its per household! If you have a TV in the house then its already paid for!!!! Jesus in the UK its an almost legality that you have to have a TV license (Its not, but I aint getting into legal grey areas on here). Point being though, its essentially free service with any TV you buy or STB (its called DVB) and all you need is an areal and to be legal a TV licence (which is house based and unless your house doesn't watch TV you already have one).

I'll assume this means they will soon be adding a feature I have been needing since day one, the option to launch Live TV immediately upon powering on Xbox One.

Jason Stillion said,
One thing that nice about EU, is the channel guide info (what show's on and when) is not considered copyrighted.

Not true, the UK has it encrypted on freeview hd.

if this offers freeview hd, and has good pvr capabilities (oh, and comes with a proper remote) i might buy an xbox one again.

a good quality freeview pvr is a good £200 anyway, and this has the added bonus of being a bluray player

Looked nice until »support free-to-air DVB-T, DVB-T2 and DVB-C television standards.«. What about DVB-S(2)?!

timster said,
DVB-S2 is satellite, which uses it's own receiver and connects via HDMI

Yeah, I didn't understand this comment either

MFH said,
Looked nice until »support free-to-air DVB-T, DVB-T2 and DVB-C television standards.«. What about DVB-S(2)?!

It is also missing DVB-C2, Kabel deutschland uses that i think.

timster said,
uses it's own receiver and connects via HDMI

So can DVB-C and DVB-T - your point is exactly what?

MFH said,

So can DVB-C and DVB-T - your point is exactly what?

the difference is that a receiver for terrestrial or cable are optional, whereas for satellite, a receiver isn't optional.

timster said,

the difference is that a receiver for terrestrial or cable are optional, whereas for satellite, a receiver isn't optional.

What the hell are you talking about? Satellite receivers are no more mandatory than they are for terrestrial or cable. It's just a question of TV-integrated tuners… There are hundreds of TVs with integrated DVB-S(2) tuners…

I wonder if drivers will be made available for windows 8.1 media center as a dvb-t2 dongle is ususlly around £60

dfuk said,
I wonder if drivers will be made available for windows 8.1 media center as a dvb-t2 dongle is ususlly around £60

I highly doubt MS will release drivers, we will have to wait for someone to reverse engineer it and release windows and linux drivers. Linux will likely come first.

Pretty awesome, i always said from day one we should have had a proper DVB-T tuner in Europe. Hopefully the ability for the Xbox to record TV will be added at a later date.

This is brilliant news! I really hope there are plans to allow recording too: PVR functionality is the single biggest feature I hear Xbox owners wishing for.

sht00 said,
This is brilliant news! I really hope there are plans to allow recording too: PVR functionality is the single biggest feature I hear Xbox owners wishing for.

Isn't the HD a bit too small for that if you consider games+addons +PVR?

Will this still works if the cable comes from my Humax HD decoder?
I don't want to give up the HD television for the OneGuide, it's very temping though.

Providers here in the Netherlands are using a smartcard to access commercial channels. Those are the ones that are mostly watched.

Or just support XBox One as a Media Extender like the XBox 360 does. It still baffles me how the XBox 360 has features the One doesn't.

Cesar Mattos said,
We need this with a slot for the cable card like Ceton InfiniTV does.

True, CAM Cards are used in a number of EU markets

Yeah its a huge step backwards for people like me that use it as a media center extender. I have a 3x cable card tuner that can record 3 shows at once. I never use the cable box.

I'm guessing the average consumer isn't willing to go through the pain to set this up. There's probably dozens of us that actually do it.

willgill said,
.....

Microsoft didn't even want to support Media Center in Windows 8 and added it as an afterthought.
I do not see them including WMC in threshold, nor do I see XBOX ONE becoming an extender.

willgill said,
Or just support XBox One as a Media Extender like the XBox 360 does. It still baffles me how the XBox 360 has features the One doesn't.

I am curious to know how many people still use Media Center and how much. I bet MSFT will be bringing some of the features into XBONE. But Media Extender seems to be dying in favour of more standard DLNA devices. I got the Media Center add-on for Windows 8, installed it. Never really used it. :/

It's only a matter of time before this comes to the U.S. The only reason I'm sticking with my 360 is the Xbox One's lack of support for Windows Media Center. Once that functionality begins coming to the Xbox One (even if there's no recording, but long as there is pause and fast forward), I'll gladly upgrade.

They need to make one with a USB HDD Version to so you can record live TV otherwise people will carry on using there ones built into the TV or Freeview boxes that can do this!

Ooo they kept this quiet!

I currently have a YouView box running through my One in the living room but may have to grab one of these when i pick up a secondary XB1 for the office in the near future.

Only downside i see is lack of recording shows, add that and it's a win.

MikeChipshop said,
Only downside i see is lack of recording shows, add that and it's a win.

Oh, really? So this isn't actually as good as PlayTV on the PS3 then...

CrippsCorner said,

Oh, really? So this isn't actually as good as PlayTV on the PS3 then...

Well from what i can see it does lack the recording feature, but i'm sure this could be added in an update. PlayTV on the PS3 lacked in many other ways though, from what i can remember it was far more expensive and lacked a decent UI or control system. For those reasons it went in to a draw and never came out again for me.

Perfect! And I think that's a very good price too. I'll certainly be snapping one of these up and dumping the HDMI youview box.

DPyro said,
Ya, the only way in Canada to get good OTA is if you live near the border.

Downtown Toronto isn't near the border.

timster said,

Downtown Toronto isn't near the border.

It's 2hrs north of Buffalo. Go an hour north of Toronto and you'll be lucky to get 5 channels.

timster said,
we should have this in NA too ... I get about 40 channels OTA from the GTA and Buffalo

I think america uses ATSC not DVB-T so it wouldn't work, you would need a box with a different tuner chip.

torrentthief said,

I think america uses ATSC not DVB-T so it wouldn't work, you would need a box with a different tuner chip.


All the channels I was getting were 8VSB and 1 channel was 256QAM

DPyro said,

All the channels I was getting were 8VSB and 1 channel was 256QAM

ATSC is a standard,8VSB and QAM-256 are modulation techniques that the ATSC standard allows for

Tomo said,
Except you have to have a TV license to legally receive them

You pay a relatively small monthly fee and in return you get the BBC, which has superior programming and lets you avoid ads. That's a tradeoff I'd make in a heartbeat.

Anthony Tosie said,
It saddens me how far ahead European markets are when it comes to free TV. Damn you, U.S. regulators and TV industry!

Aren't you required to pay a license fee per TV in the UK? We don't have to do that in the USA and we have free Over the air broadcast TV also

Anthony Tosie said,

You pay a relatively small monthly fee and in return you get the BBC, which has superior programming and lets you avoid ads. That's a tradeoff I'd make in a heartbeat.

Just saying it's not free but yes I do agree the ability to watch TV and particularly movies without ads is great for £140ish a year!

neufuse said,

Aren't you required to pay a license fee per TV in the UK? We don't have to do that in the USA and we have free Over the air broadcast TV also

It pays for BBC services (TV, Radio, Website, iPlayer - On Demand), it also means that there are no adverts on any BBC media.

Anthony Tosie said,

You pay a relatively small monthly fee and in return you get the BBC, which has superior programming and lets you avoid ads. That's a tradeoff I'd make in a heartbeat.

Quite agree.

neufuse said,
Aren't you required to pay a license fee per TV in the UK? We don't have to do that in the USA and we have free Over the air broadcast TV also

It is per house hold - you can have 10 televisions in your house but you still pay one licence fee. In NZ we used to have it for TVNZ which was $150 per year but the cost of administrating it was such that it was easier just to fund it out of general taxation instead.

Tomo said,

Just saying it's not free but yes I do agree the ability to watch TV and particularly movies without ads is great for £140ish a year!

If I'm reading right, it's £145.50 which comes out to $244.91 USD, or otherwise, $20.40/mo.

I guess it just goes to show the variance in cost of living. I'd rather stick with the Internet for my TV needs, but I'm guess I'm not the target market.

dead.cell said,

If I'm reading right, it's £145.50 which comes out to $244.91 USD, or otherwise, $20.40/mo.

I guess it just goes to show the variance in cost of living. I'd rather stick with the Internet for my TV needs, but I'm guess I'm not the target market.


The lack of free IPTV streaming is another thing that annoys me... the infrastructure and technology is there, U.S. regulators just won't do it with the subscription TV industry (read: channel owners) as strong as it is.

dead.cell said,

If I'm reading right, it's £145.50 which comes out to $244.91 USD, or otherwise, $20.40/mo.

I guess it just goes to show the variance in cost of living. I'd rather stick with the Internet for my TV needs, but I'm guess I'm not the target market.

That does pay for 8 TV channels, 8 or 9 radio stations, On Demand streaming, a quality unbiased/politically neutral (some might not agree) news website, quality programme output and not one single advert.

Tomo said,

That does pay for 8 TV channels, 8 or 9 radio stations, On Demand streaming, a quality unbiased/politically neutral (some might not agree) news website, quality programme output and not one single advert.

Also let's not forget that the BBC produces some of the best shows on TV, i mean especially look at their nature documentary shows.

Tomo said,
That does pay for 8 TV channels, 8 or 9 radio stations, On Demand streaming, a quality unbiased/politically neutral (some might not agree) news website, quality programme output and not one single advert.

I have the Internet though... :huh:

Anthony Tosie said,

You pay a relatively small monthly fee and in return you get the BBC, which has superior programming and lets you avoid ads. That's a tradeoff I'd make in a heartbeat.

And what if *I* I don't want BBC?

TV Licensing is one of the most moronic and draconian types of taxation ever invented, second only to window tax.

Tomo said,
And what if *I* do want the BBC? Who wins?

Then YOU pay for it and YOU get it, genius.

BBC should be a subscription channel, rather than this commie tax mentality.

pmdci said,

And what if *I* I don't want BBC?

TV Licensing is one of the most moronic and draconian types of taxation ever invented, second only to window tax.


People don't get to individually decide what taxes and government fees they get to pay (unless they want to be fined or go to jail). I don't get to say, "No, this is too much for defense and education" -- it's not my call.

It has nothing to do with communism. The U.K. government decided the BBC is a worthwhile public service and chose to use the license to pay for it rather than direct taxation.

pmdci said,

Then YOU pay for it and YOU get it, genius.

BBC should be a subscription channel, rather than this commie tax mentality.

I for one am happy paying a TV licence of £12 p/m for a service that goes above and beyond in terms of provisions and quality.

Hell even the 'repeat and regurgitate' channels such as Dave, Gold etc, are filled with content originally created by the BBC. So if you were to kiss goodbye to the licence fee, you could kiss goodbye to 80% of home grown broadcast TV.

Just to get it straight, for £12 p/m we get...

Channels:
BBC1
BBC2
BBC3
BBC4
CBBC
Cbeebies
BBC News
BBC Parliment
... plus the HD variants of the above.

Radio:
Radio 1
Radio 2
Radio 3
Radio 4
Radio 5 Live
5 Live Sports Extra
1 Xtra
6 Music
Radio 4 Extra
Asian Network
BBC Local Radio

Other (Websites etc):
iPlayer
BBC Weather
BBC News
Red Button Services

...and more i probably can't remember, all for 12 lousy quid.
All that and not a single ad break, product placement or commercial suck up. This is where your 'Commie' rant falls over by the way.

Now of course if the government decided to scrap the licence fee and allow the BBC to go commercial it'd either become so chock full of adverts and product placement, it'd turn to a steaming pile of turds (kind of like anything ITV) or it'd go subscription and be far more expensive. You think they'd charge you a measly £12 for that lot? Nope.
You could also expect to see your Sky/Virgin bill go up as the BBC would have to make up any shortfall by hiking the cost at which these companies could ship on the BBC programming. You can also expect channels like Dave to be cut in half due to the added expense of purchasing in BBC programs.

Frankly your rant is tiresome and plain wrong.

I'd take ads over a TV tax, after all its nice to have a break and go to the loo. I would take free anyday.

Most of BBC's content is tripe to me, apart from the news and maybe Top Gear. I guess some people like crap like Eastenders, Casualty and Question of Sport though.

Crisp said,
I'd take ads over a TV tax, after all its nice to have a break and go to the loo. I would take free anyday.

Most of BBC's content is tripe to me, apart from the news and maybe Top Gear. I guess some people like crap like Eastenders, Casualty and Question of Sport though.

Of course everyone has different opinions, thankfully!

But calling it "TV tax" is just so childish. The fact is that it could quite easily have been a proper tax when it was initially envisaged but it was chosen to be made a choice. If the cost of your council tax was bumped up and adsorbed the the licence fee in to itself, then yeah that'd be TV tax, but as it stands now, there's nothing 'tax' about it.

pmdci said,

Then YOU pay for it and YOU get it, genius.

BBC should be a subscription channel, rather than this commie tax mentality.

I want an Ad free BBC service, a subscription based one would mean having adverts and I find that totally unacceptable. The BBC is a unique public service that offers far more than just entertainment.

Never paid TV license in whilst living in the UK and never would. After all I never watched or recorded live broadcasting TV.

All of those channels mentioned above... Plain horsedung.

BBC News? One might as well watch Al Jazeera.

Frankly your socialist mentality is foolish. It is great when *YOU* enjoy something isn't it? So you don't care when others have to pay for it. Thankfully, Netflix and other services are gaining space so more and more people are cutting the cord.

pmdci said,
Never paid TV license in whilst living in the UK and never would. After all I never watched or recorded live broadcasting TV.

All of those channels mentioned above... Plain horsedung.

BBC News? One might as well watch Al Jazeera.

Frankly your socialist mentality is foolish. It is great when *YOU* enjoy something isn't it? So you don't care when others have to pay for it. Thankfully, Netflix and other services are gaining space so more and more people are cutting the cord.

Of course it's all down to personal choice but you not living in the UK and your closing comments where you try to make out you're political above the rest of us mean i couldn;t actually give two hoots about your opinion.

The rest of us can enjoy quality, ad free TV.

If they scrapped it we'd end up having effectively another version of Sky or Virgin where all that happens is you pay a ridiculously inflated figure to mainly watch ads. No thanks.

MikeChipshop said,

The rest of us can enjoy quality, ad free TV.
thanks.

Quality here is a loose term. Excuse my French but BBC is s***e. I no longer live in the UK but I spent nine years there. I've paid enough taxes and TV license wouldn't be another one. And as someone who lived there, and paid taxes there, I assert that everyone who likes BBC loves that others are financing it, regardless if they like it or not.

As for your opinion, I couldn't give one hoot about it.

It the fact that I'd rather give a small amount to the BBC and get great programming than give a fortune to Sky so that they can throw adverts at me every 5 minutes and feed me drivel from over the pond.

Tomo said,
It the fact that I'd rather give a small amount to the BBC and get great programming than give a fortune to Sky so that they can throw adverts at me every 5 minutes and feed me drivel from over the pond.

Sure, but just because Sky is even worse in that sense, it does not mean that BBC's model is any better, IMO.

Nextflix, Hulu and others are still at their infancy, but I reckon these are game-changers that will make Sky DirectTV, Virgin Media and others to change their ways.

Issue here is that Netflix et al have might push cable/satellite companies like Sky to change their model to stay competitive in order to provide better value to its customers. On the other hand, all that BBC would do is change the law around TV License so even if you have no TV at home and does not watch/record live broadcast TV, you will have to pay 'TV License' anyway (this change is already under discussion)

So while one can cut the cord with cable companies, I doubt that will ever be possible with TV Licensing on the long run.

I think you will find the BBC are regulated and are unable to simply change the TV licensing laws to suit themselves. These changes need to be approved by the BBC Trust and also in Government, a move which is very unlikely to happen.

pmdci said,

So while one can cut the cord with cable companies, I doubt that will ever be possible with TV Licensing on the long run.

I can cut the cord right now if i wanted. But unlike yourself, i enjoy the BBC's programming (you may say it's terrible but that's a bit like saying 'drink is terrible', it's all different and to pass judgement on it shows a real lack of understanding) they have some of the finest documentary teams in the world.

I use Netflix, Amazon etc but what it comes down to is what tomo said...

"It the fact that I'd rather give a small amount to the BBC and get great programming than give a fortune to Sky so that they can throw adverts at me every 5 minutes and feed me drivel from over the pond."

Your line "i've paid enough taxes"... what, in 9 years? Give me a break. I'm guessing in those 9 years you used hospitals, roads, waste management etc, things that taxes pay for yeah? Oh and let's just mention this one more time... the licence fee isn't a tax, it is completely optional.

MikeChipshop said,

I can cut the cord right now if i wanted. But unlike yourself, i enjoy [...]

Good! Then **YOU** pay for it. Only a deranged commie can honestly believe that it is fine for others to pay for stuff they don't want. If I one wants to watch TV but I don't want to watch BBC, why should they pay for it?

Good to know that worldwide 'TV Licence' is an exception, not a rule.

And don't even get me started with your hospitals, haha.

pmdci said,

Good! Then **YOU** pay for it. Only a deranged commie can honestly believe that it is fine for others to pay for stuff they don't want. If I one wants to watch TV but I don't want to watch BBC, why should they pay for it?

Good to know that worldwide 'TV Licence' is an exception, not a rule.

And don't even get me started with your hospitals, haha.

Sorry mate, convo ends here unless you can buck up your maturity level.

MikeChipshop said,

Sorry mate, convo ends here unless you can buck up your maturity level.

'Ad hominem'... I figured. Because expecting others to pay for stuff you enjoy is really mature. Sounds more like a 3 year old crying for his parents to buy a toy.

Off you go, mate. I bet there must be a great rerun on BBC right now you can go enjoy with a cup o'tea.

pmdci said,

'Ad hominem'... I figured. Because expecting others to pay for stuff you enjoy is really mature. Sounds more like a 3 year old crying for his parents to buy a toy.

Off you go, mate. I bet there must be a great rerun on BBC right now you can go enjoy with a cup o'tea.

Tea... no no no, i gotta find me a big ol' glass of commie juice, or better yet, i'll have it in one of those kids sippy cups because i'm apparently a three year old because i like the BBC and don;t mind paying the TV licence... yeah, yeah that must be it ;)

MikeChipshop said,

Of course everyone has different opinions, thankfully!

But calling it "TV tax" is just so childish. The fact is that it could quite easily have been a proper tax when it was initially envisaged but it was chosen to be made a choice. If the cost of your council tax was bumped up and adsorbed the the licence fee in to itself, then yeah that'd be TV tax, but as it stands now, there's nothing 'tax' about it.

As per Tomo's first post, you have to have a TV license regardless of if you watch BBC or not, and as you stated, it's my opinion to call it a TV tax because that's what I feel it is, not so much childish. If you own a TV, you pay for it yearly.

I would take the BBC America model any day, free BBC content with ads. After all, you get use to it on ITV, C4, C5. C4 has some of the best documentaries as well.
For some, the £145 a year price tag is expensive, especially people who have children and live on the poverty line and wish to entertain their kids regardless of if they watch BBC (cbeebies).

I honestly can't believe people on Neowin like to argue the fact they enjoy paying their bills. Each to their own I guess.

Crisp said,

I honestly can't believe people on Neowin like to argue the fact they enjoy paying their bills. Each to their own I guess.

No libertarianism, please. We're British.

Crisp said,

I honestly can't believe people on Neowin like to argue the fact they enjoy paying their bills. Each to their own I guess.

They might not enjoy it. But they do love it when others who shouldn't be paying for it (those who don't want BBC) contribute. The only thing better than money is other people's money :)