Microsoft asks what you want most in Windows Phone 7.8

There’s a good deal of frustration swirling over Microsoft’s ongoing refusal to reveal when Windows Phone 8 will officially launch. For those with no strong allegiance to any particular mobile platform, it makes it difficult to seriously consider a Windows Phone 8 handset right now, especially with the new iPhone due in the next fortnight, and capable Android devices like the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy S III readily available to buy.

But for existing Windows Phone owners, there is a much greater source of frustration. Microsoft has already confirmed that any existing Windows Phone, including those currently on sale, will not be eligible for upgrade to Windows Phone 8. But the company did offer an olive branch to those users whose devices won’t be upgradable, promising that it would not abandon those handsets, and would provide a ‘Windows Phone 7.8’ update to them instead. However, its only specific commitment for the 7.8 update so far has been that it will bring the new Windows Phone 8-style Start Screen to those older handsets.

In the official Windows Phone User Voice discussion, there have been thousands of comments and votes from users requesting features that they believe the Windows Phone 7.8 update should bring to their handsets. Suggestions range from integrated Skype support to Internet Explorer 10, Office 2013 and even little things like the ability to capture screenshots.

A member of the Windows Phone team has now posted on that site, to reassure users that their voices are being heard:

As you know, Windows Phone 8 is a generational shift in technology, which means that it will not run on existing hardware.

BUT we care deeply about our existing customers and would like to know SPECIFICALLY what features you would like to see on 7.8 and vote INDIVIDUALLY for the one that you want most (vs. one large grab bag of features).”

This is, finally, an exciting step in the right direction, a clear indication of both Microsoft’s commitment to the 7.8 update, and that it values the opinions of its users. But the fact that Microsoft is only now canvassing opinions on what should go into the update unfortunately implies that work on Windows Phone 7.8 is far from complete.

It could be some time yet before the update is ready to be delivered to handsets. The frustration, it seems, may be far from over.

Which one feature would YOU value most in Windows Phone 7.8? Share your thoughts with us below... but don't forget to share them with Microsoft too!


Via: WPCentral
Source: Windows Phone User Voice

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FLAC and OGG support for music. I demand this.
For developers to be able to develop for their phones without paying money to debug on the phone. I'll pay to get it in the store, but I shouldn't have to pay to test on my own phone.

~Neowin~ said,
What's the release date ?

October 27-29 but wp 7.8 is probably November...

iv said October 27 as the release date for 4 months now but they are presenting the 29rd so that's the official press rumor.

they did change the rumored date in the previous rumors now from 23rd to the 29th... had to edit my answer...

Edited by Conor Raypholtz, Sep 10 2012, 2:29pm :

i'm pretty sure they will update zune to xbox music since zune is dead. and if they do that, then they might as well do the xbox hub as well

So, is MS going to disallow updating for each major OS revision?

Yeah, really good plan MS. I'll stick to Android where I can continue to upgrade to any major version.

Xilo said,
So, is MS going to disallow updating for each major OS revision?

Yeah, really good plan MS. I'll stick to Android where I can continue to upgrade to any major version.

Except if your carrier doesn't provide it.

briangw said,

Except if your carrier doesn't provide it.


Doesn't matter with the Android ROM scene. As long as you have a decent phone, people will continue to release updated ROMs.

Xilo said,

Doesn't matter with the Android ROM scene. As long as you have a decent phone, people will continue to release updated ROMs.

WP 7.5 is based on WinCE. WP8 is based on WinNT. How on earth do you expect your phone to be upgradeable from WinCE to WinNT?

Xilo said,

Doesn't matter with the Android ROM scene. As long as you have a decent phone, people will continue to release updated ROMs.

Well yeah, but good luck getting support if your phone craps out. You really think the carrier/phone manufacturer would support someone running Cyanogen?

Sszecret said,

WP 7.5 is based on WinCE. WP8 is based on WinNT. How on earth do you expect your phone to be upgradeable from WinCE to WinNT?


That's just a kernel which can be upgraded...

briangw said,

Well yeah, but good luck getting support if your phone craps out. You really think the carrier/phone manufacturer would support someone running Cyanogen?


Not really an issue...

Xilo said,

Not really an issue...

It was here when my wife's Incredible crapped out. Knowing they would flip out, I had to revert back to the stock OS.

Separate volume controls would be nice. Can't use my phone as an alarm because it means turning other notification sounds on, which I don't want.

what said,
Separate volume controls would be nice. Can't use my phone as an alarm because it means turning other notification sounds on, which I don't want.

yea... you can turn off your message alerts in the current version but it is a pain to do.. best bet is to get one of the apps that mute all message alerts when the phone is flipped with its screen down...

simplezz said,
Compatibility to run Windows Phone 8 apps. Though it'll never happen of course.
Of course it won't. Windows Phone 8 apps are designd for Windows NT, Windows Phone 7 can only run Windows CE apps.

Studio384 said,
Of course it won't. Windows Phone 8 apps are designd for Windows NT, Windows Phone 7 can only run Windows CE apps.

Actually, Windows Phone 8 apps use WinRT and Windows Phone 7 apps all use Silverlight. Small but important distinction.

To me IE10 is key. Being able to deliver rich HTML5 apps to WP7.8 will give the platform a little breath of fresh air and keep it a little more current for a little longer. Currently most mobile sites either don't support Mobile IE or resort to extremely basic versions (ala feature phone). Having proper HTML5 support for the platform will at least enable it to access web apps and services better.

Microsoft just can't mention the new "start experience" enough huh? It's like they have nothing else of interest to show us.

.Neo said,
Microsoft just can't mention the new "start experience" enough huh? It's like they have nothing else of interest to show us.

the presentations they gave where for developers and OEM's only so they covered software and hardware support... the windows phone 8 public presentation will detail the features that they wanted to keep under lock.

A perfect music app, that shows a big album art wile playing a song, that accepts multiple artist tag (so I can find the songs with multiple artist like duets), that i'll be able to find songs of compilations like soundtracks (with multiple artist tracks) when I search by artist.

Billy Gun said,
A perfect music app, that shows a big album art wile playing a song, that accepts multiple artist tag (so I can find the songs with multiple artist like duets), that i'll be able to find songs of compilations like soundtracks (with multiple artist tracks) when I search by artist.

your a little late Tango allows you to make your lock screen the album art..

Get the basic phone features right first.

1. Smart dialing (It's 2012, FFS!)
2. Better contact management: WP7 still only allows a single 'mobile' number per contact. I'm SOL if I want to text a secondary number.

I have an Android phone and a Windows Phone, and it's a bloody pain maintaining separate contact lists, because MS won't recognise custom contact fields.

Fixing these would be a great first step

BigGiantHead said,
Get the basic phone features right first.

1. Smart dialing (It's 2012, FFS!)
2. Better contact management: WP7 still only allows a single 'mobile' number per contact. I'm SOL if I want to text a secondary number.

I have an Android phone and a Windows Phone, and it's a bloody pain maintaining separate contact lists, because MS won't recognise custom contact fields.

Fixing these would be a great first step

1. What is smart dialing?

2. You don't have to use 'mobile' number on the contact. If you use the + to add another phone, you can pick 9 different numbers. I'm sure for the few contacts that have dual mobile numbers, you'll know why or how they are using them and beable to select "home 2" or maybe "work" or "work 2" or even "company" or "pager"..

I think for 2, what you really want is to be able to rename them items to what ever you want. say mobile as "mobile morning" and "work 2" as "mobile night only".

sagum said,

1. What is smart dialing?

2. You don't have to use 'mobile' number on the contact. If you use the + to add another phone, you can pick 9 different numbers. I'm sure for the few contacts that have dual mobile numbers, you'll know why or how they are using them and beable to select "home 2" or maybe "work" or "work 2" or even "company" or "pager"..

I think for 2, what you really want is to be able to rename them items to what ever you want. say mobile as "mobile morning" and "work 2" as "mobile night only".

1. Smart dialing aka T9 dialing. Very convenient feature to have

2. I know I can 'add' more than a single mobile number. Try texting a number (not set as mobile) from the contact list. You can't do it.
Or open the message app and search for a contact you know has two numbers, the OS will display only the one set as mobile.

Yes. I do want to be able to rename contacts to whatever I want. But it's of minor importance compared to the issue above.

Everything that's software based that doesn't require much work.....Skype, start, bluetooth, etc...
IE10 requires porting DX11, so that won't happen.

Vincent Lee said,

IE10 requires porting DX11, so that won't happen.

I've heard the same several times, yet the source of this info is unknown to me. DX11 was used in IE since version 9, yet WP7 has IE9. Why can't it have IE10. After all, we need updated standards support, not hardware acceleration.

Weissmeister said,

I've heard the same several times, yet the source of this info is unknown to me. DX11 was used in IE since version 9, yet WP7 has IE9. Why can't it have IE10. After all, we need updated standards support, not hardware acceleration.

To be honest, I'd be quite happy if they fixed the broken IE9 in the windows phone so it actually works the same as IE9 on the PC.

Active-X said,
Just wondering what they will roll out 7.8 if they are asking now

Thinking the same thing it's a bit late to ask that

Pygmy_Hippo said,
To be available - i'm still waiting for Tango

Blame your carrier lol. At least AT&T decided to roll out Tango for the 900

New companion, separate volume controls, multiple files selection, bluetooth media files transfer, custom sounds, IE10.
And then I would be totally happy for another year or two.

- Internet Explorer 10
- Integrated Skype
- New startscreen
- Over-the-air updates
- Screenshots
- Office 2013

En ik ben blij

Studio384 said,
- Internet Explorer 10
- Integrated Skype
- New startscreen
- Over-the-air updates
- Screenshots
- Office 2013

En ik ben blij


I'm also dutch, but this is an english website

Studio384 said,
- Internet Explorer 10
- Integrated Skype
- New startscreen
- Over-the-air updates
- Screenshots
- Office 2013

En ik ben blij

Great list, but OTA updates are already in Windows Phone - but only for updates smaller than 20mb.

Give me intergrated skype and I'll be happy too.

Its one of the main reasons I got my Windows Phone way back.

Top of my list is a really basic feature, ability to use the dialer to pull up people's numbers in my address book. Sometimes i dont like to search through people and find the name and then press call mobile. Other mobile os have this basic basic feature.

Raven3k said,
Top of my list is a really basic feature, ability to use the dialer to pull up people's numbers in my address book. Sometimes i dont like to search through people and find the name and then press call mobile. Other mobile os have this basic basic feature.

Sorry I'm a bit confused by what you want, can you explain it better?

What I'm assuming you mean is you;
1. press the call tile
2. press the dial pad
3. you start typing a number you already know of your contact.
4. when it's filtered out the contact you're looking for you press their name to select it in full.
5. you press call to call them.

It seems a bit of a weird way to call someone when you know their name and number already. With cell phones being non-regional in their STD codes, it'd mean you'd have to type out at least the regional area code of landline numbers before you even start filtering out people who live in the same area. you could just press the contacts button instead and type part of their name.

But im guessing if you know their number, its one you already call oftern anyway and will be on the call history list anyway, and thats just one tap to call them.

I personally, just hold the windows button and then say 'call whoever's name' it works pretty much every time, and the times it don't .. well thats just extra bonus fun times

sagum said,

Then he should use that, unpin the call tile and pin that one... might actually give that one a go myself

Except that the app doesn't show missed calls so you have to go back to the native app to see who missed called you.

So they need to include this feature in 7.8

I'm betting its a PR Stunt, WP8 features haven't been fully detailed so we don't know what it has. The stuff we do know, I bet will already be apart of WP7.8 assuming if it doesn't rely on certain hardware capabilities non existent on 7.8.

Pretty much anything we'd ask for would be included regardless if we asked or not.

WP 7.8 is probably already wrapping up at microsoft in internal testing based on of when WP8 will be released.

ekw said,
I'm betting its a PR Stunt, WP8 features haven't been fully detailed so we don't know what it has. The stuff we do know, I bet will already be apart of WP7.8 assuming if it doesn't rely on certain hardware capabilities non existent on 7.8.

Pretty much anything we'd ask for would be included regardless if we asked or not.

WP 7.8 is probably already wrapping up at microsoft in internal testing based on of when WP8 will be released.

They're asking, be happy.

BT FT would be nice, you know MS, like even low end devices can do

Separate volume controls for ringtone, alarm, music would be very nice too

And ditch Zune, that POS is more irritating than youtubes buffering 'feature'

Detection said,
BT FT would be nice, you know MS, like even low end devices can do

Separate volume controls for ringtone, alarm, music would be very nice too

And ditch Zune, that POS is more irritating than youtubes buffering 'feature'

People keep complaining about Zune, what's wrong with it? It does the job for me, altho MS should add mass-storage

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

People keep complaining about Zune, what's wrong with it? It does the job for me, altho MS should add mass-storage

Apart from my issue a couple of days ago when Zune deleted 1GB worth of photos from my phone and machine.... it over complicates something extremely simple

Mass storage > drag n drop is absolutely fine

Detection said,
BT FT would be nice, you know MS, like even low end devices can do

Separate volume controls for ringtone, alarm, music would be very nice too

And ditch Zune, that POS is more irritating than youtubes buffering 'feature'


There are ditching zune. But no one knows what the new sync client is going to be like.

yowanvista said,
Ability to change default search engine to Google
It's a great thing if that will never happens, only then, I'm happy.

dtboos said,

You know full well that wont happen.

Android bundles Bing as an alternate search engine (I think) so its only fair MS offers the same.

dtboos said,

You know full well that wont happen.

You can still do it for the browser in browser>settings.
It won't work for the search button itself though....

yowanvista said,
Ability to change default search engine to Google

The problem is that search isn't just Bing search, it's an "app hub" with a laundry list of features. Replacing that search with Google would be removing a significant set of features from the phone, and some awesome ones that.

As for 7.8, the thing I feel is most important is IE10.

yowanvista said,
Ability to change default search engine to Google

Bing on windows phone doesn't behave like a search engine. It has Local Scout and Bing Vision and stuff, all of which will be lost with they replaced it with Google. Bing is genuinely an added feature on Windows Phone.

Steelyuhas said,

The problem is that search isn't just Bing search, it's an "app hub" with a laundry list of features. Replacing that search with Google would be removing a significant set of features from the phone, and some awesome ones that.

As for 7.8, the thing I feel is most important is IE10.

Uhm the Bing button brings up search results for Web, News, Local, and Shopping. Sounds a LOT like Google.

End of story.

andrewbares said,

Uhm the Bing button brings up search results for Web, News, Local, and Shopping. Sounds a LOT like Google.

End of story.

It also has a QR/barcode scanner, maps/direction, and music identifying features.

It's a "hub", there for a reason.

andrewbares said,

Uhm the Bing button brings up search results for Web, News, Local, and Shopping. Sounds a LOT like Google.

End of story.

1) When you search in a web browser, they just wrap the search text into a query string: bing.com/search?q=foo+bar or google.com/?q=foo+bar. These are easy to fix up for general search, and you just display a web page. When you search local scout, maps, weather, shopping, etc. a simple web page is not being displayed, it requires interacting with a web service, retrieving results, mashing up those results with other data, etc. Google has shown that they refuse to allow Microsoft to interact with their web services like they do with other companies (Youtube). But also, why should Microsoft go through all the work of writing to their services when Google changes and deprecates their services on a regular basis, causing Microsoft even more work, potentially breaking code, etc.?

2) We hear over and over people complaining about how most of the Win8 apps are just wrappers around web pages, no real apps yet. Google provides a web app or getting to those services you are asking for, so why not just use the web enabled version of those services?

3) Why not make Google do the work to use their services? I don't see Google providing a switch in their maps app on Android to use Bing maps. I don't see Google providing a switch to use Bing shopping services. And so on, and so on. Microsoft wrote apps for iOS rather than relying upon Apple to do their work for them. Microsoft wrote apps for Android rather than relying upon Google to do their work for them. Let Google earn their own advertising money.

Just more of the same whining about Microsoft, when the company you are fighting for is not willing to do the same. End of story.

If you're able to access a registry editor on your phone, you can make the address bar in IE search with whatever engine you like. It will even add a menu in the IE settings to choose between engines.

The option isn't there because it would take effort to implement, it's there because Microsoft decided they could get away with it not being there. I believe carriers can provision extra search engines if they like, though.

andrewbares said,

Uhm the Bing button brings up search results for Web, News, Local, and Shopping. Sounds a LOT like Google.

End of story.

its not a search engine like Google where you type a search and it finds a list of pages... bing search lists tangible location based results and integrates with other apps. there are also music search and bing vision which translates text and scans codes... its also a driving force behind Bing Voice which is a functional version of siri that can open and manage any application. siri, on the other hand, has the functionality of a window.

yowanvista said,
Ability to change default search engine to Google

if you want Google get the app or use ie9... bing isn't just search on the windows phone, its a way to find anything that you want to know. (camera, GPS, and microphone based searches)

yowanvista said,
Ability to change default search engine to Google

We want them to offer things of value right? I love people who think Google is a huge upsale from Bing. It isn't.

Conor Raypholtz said,

its not a search engine like Google where you type a search and it finds a list of pages... bing search lists tangible location based results and integrates with other apps. there are also music search and bing vision which translates text and scans codes... its also a driving force behind Bing Voice which is a functional version of siri that can open and manage any application. siri, on the other hand, has the functionality of a window.

You're naming things that Google also does.

Bring bluetooth support on par with what Symbian S60 can. So audio streaming, file transfer, device paring, all that good stuff.

Coolicer said,
Bring bluetooth support on par with what Symbian S60 can. So audio streaming, file transfer, device paring, all that good stuff.

I ran into a file transfer problem the other day with bluetooth, couldn't find an option to send the file to the computer with bluetooth so ended up putting it on skydrive. Still, my previous ancient Sony Ericsson phone can manage that.

I would like IE10 and expect Zune to be upgraded to Xbox Music.

Coolicer said,
Bring bluetooth support on par with what Symbian S60 can. So audio streaming, file transfer, device paring, all that good stuff.

I agree Bluetooth feature is the most important thing since we know native code is not gonna be supported

Coolicer said,
Bring bluetooth support on par with what Symbian S60 can. So audio streaming, file transfer, device paring, all that good stuff.

Agreed. Full serial Bluetooth profiles for HR monitors, Nike sports monitors, etc.
Also, add sound EQ.

WooHoo!!! said,

I ran into a file transfer problem the other day with bluetooth, couldn't find an option to send the file to the computer with bluetooth so ended up putting it on skydrive. Still, my previous ancient Sony Ericsson phone can manage that.

I would like IE10 and expect Zune to be upgraded to Xbox Music.

tango fixed all of that id imagine your still running mango...