Microsoft blacklists leaked Windows 7 OEM key

Microsoft has responded to pirates by blacklisting the Lenovo OEM key that leaked earlier this week.

On Tuesday Neowin reported that pirates were able to modify their BIOS and activate copies of Windows 7 Ultimate with a Lenovo OEM master key. Microsoft have worked with Lenovo to blacklist the master key before Windows 7 starts shipping with new PCs in October.

According to Alex Kochis, Director of Genuine Windows at Microsoft: "we've worked with that manufacturer so that customers who purchase genuine copies of Windows 7 from this manufacturer will experience no issues validating their copy of Windows 7. At the same time we will seek to alert customers who are using the leaked key that they are running a non-genuine copy of Windows. It's important to note that no PCs will be sold that will use this key."

Windows 7 is due to ship on October 22 this year and it's 99% certain that after this date more OEM keys will start leaking. According to Microsoft officials "Windows 7 already includes an improved ability to detect hacks, also known as activation exploits, and alert customers who are using a pirated copy." It has always been a cat and mouse game between Microsoft and pirates and it seems that it's 0-0 once again.

In related news, Microsoft announced yesterday that Windows 7 technical testers will be receiving a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate on August 6.

Thanks to Neowin member Long for the news tip

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I am a hacker and this is my "Manifesto" - Hackers Movie -
lol Everyone should buy a retail copy though, seriously would you want someone stealing from your grandma?

unrealism said,
lol Everyone should buy a retail copy though, seriously would you want someone stealing from your grandma?

When someone steals from her grandma, her grandma loses her object/money. When he makes a copy, he isn't stealing, he's making a copy.

two of the three machines ive tried this on fail to activate with this method now, but my main machine is still activated and is working fine.

and it downloaded some sort of update yesterday, silverlight i think it was.

this is an offline method so you dont have to have a net connection for it to work so it should work time after time with the stock rtm install. now if you were to update windows and try then that would be a different story.. your other computers just may have not worked. do the right thing though..buy a copy or buy a msdn subscription and then your covered. windows 7 is truly a great piece of code. hardware and software working together properly is a beautiful thing indeed

i'm not sure what was going on, cause i did the exact same steps on all 3 machines, though i did the other two machines about 3 days after my first install, so im not sure.
ethier way, the two wouldnt activate and i was getting sooo frustrated.

i am really concidering buying a copy when it comes out, but as a 17 year old with a job that's just under over wage, college in another town i have to pay to get too with my own cash, i dont have £100 lying around.
id have to use a cracked one or something untill i found the cash.
as for MSDN, i could only dream :(
you are right though, this is the first copy of windows i'm concidering paying for, it is brilliant.

Maybe's your bios, remember that you need a updated one. But the method, keeps working... This new is a Fake from Microsoft.

"you can't force your product only on a social class that can pay for it"
Just like your grammar, the logic in your statement is faulty as well. It's not forcing it on people who cannot afford it, but, rather, if you cannot afford it then you will have to wait and save up for it. Since I cannot afford something in a store, it does not mean I can walk into that store and steal it. Everybody loves to get something for nothing because we all are greedy--that is why our economy is falling apart.

I have never paid for a MS product ever. One of the bennies of working in the IT business. I think however if I had to pay for windows 7 I would. Ive been running it for a long time now and prefer it over all other versions of windows, I like Vista but 7 is just has a lighter foot print.

As for those trying to cheat the system, you are a thief. Plain and simple. You are stealing and anything bad that comes from that is your just reward.

The problem isn't that we all love to pirate sutff, it's just that you more people people having acess to something, you can't force your product only on a social class that can pay for it, some will be rich, some will save for it and some will want to get something for cheap, and a few will want it free.

Look at cars, you can get a whole line of products for all the different budgets there are, with software that has a monopoly on a segment, you can't avoid being target of a few people that will try some smart solution to their money problem.

And of course most of the kids cracking they systems can afford a copy, but they will do it because they can. It is worth the constant headaches from WGA problems every couple weeks??

I have preordered my copy, but i like be formatting all day so i tried to test if the activation keeps working or not.. And, Microsoft i'm sorry to tell you that it's working right now. I have activated Windows 7 7600 with that. Don't worry, i'll put Vista Home Premium again ;), just for advice =D

if you're talking about those lame activators which just replace some files to RC ones so RC license would work, then it's not a proper activator.

х.iso said,
if you're talking about those lame activators which just replace some files to RC ones so RC license would work, then it's not a proper activator.


No, i'm talking about permanent full activation with the OEM method.

Good... That will teach everybody for downloading it in the first place. If they are members on neowin they should be band. Like I said before and I shall say it again. Windows 7 is not expensive buy it instead of ripping off Microsoft. I pay for all my software, mainly for updates and support if I need it.

I have a weird feeling those hackers are from this forum, seeing how much we want Win 7... :D

Kudos for MS. They finally did some good and quickly.

Every new idea was once considered ramblings of a madman. The reason piracy occurs is because we, as a society, allow it to happen. Many of us here have the skill to stop piracy, find the pirates (dar!), or make more keys (MS), but we decide not to and do not have the will to do it. Skill and will are two important ideas that many of us do not follow: the skill to do something and the will to do it. Everyone is to blame for piracy because we are all gluttons and want more, more, more. Logically, every single disc should have its own key that MS can keep track of; however, it just does not seem possible to have that many keys. Obviously, the old system has failed, and we all know it, and that this happened should not have come as a surprise to anyone--I don't think any of us here were surprised.

so its blacklisted, dont do updates and you dont have an issue. If you need an update, d/l from another site. M$ still fails

Can we get this straight? It's not a crack. It's acually how all oem companies install preactivated copies of windows on their computers for retail. And to Brandon Live, even if the key is black listed, there will be tons more later on. Why doesn't microsoft drop this type of activation completley? If they don't it will be like vista all over again.

But they don't drop it because they don't wanna stop piracy. Here in argentina, the uniques home users that have Original Windows are the ones that buy it with pre-installed original copy. That's the reality.

Like another person said, the person who got the key was an idiot for releasing it so soon. He should have waited due the fact Microsoft had plenty of time to change it. They can't do that once 1000's of pcs have already been sold.

Why won't Microsoft just learn from experience and change the way they license customers?
Instead of having master OEM keys which are inevitably going to end up being abused, they should just go back to licensing each copy, its a minor inconvenience for the end user, but anyone that can't read or write from simple instructions shouldn't be using a computer in the first place.

"but anyone that can't read or write from simple instructions shouldn't be using a computer in the first place."

Believe me.. More that one will pay to someone to put de CD-Key xD

Only if the one that replaces it is leaked too... the pirates have to know the key in order to use it. OEM activation keys are not readily viewable by end users as far as I'm aware.

TCLN Ryster said,
Only if the one that replaces it is leaked too... the pirates have to know the key in order to use it. OEM activation keys are not readily viewable by end users as far as I'm aware.


Of course they are. They are stored in a plain text file on OEM installation discs, and in the registry as well! There are plenty of utilities available to read the key stored in the registry. All someone has to do is run one of them on a display system in Best Buy and they have the key.

Hmm if I read this correctly it's a lost battle already - MS can blacklist these OEM keys only as long as Windows 7 hasn't reached the masses. Once you have thousands of machines installed and ready to go - it's over - they can't do anything without ****ing of half the world... Am I missing something?

I can't understand why the hell they call them Pirates, they aren't killing people, assaulting or robbing, they're just making a copy of something. Call them delinquents but no pirates, that's a word that agencies like RIAA invented to make more drama.

The term piracy predates copyright laws and was first used for talking about theft/duplication etc. a few hundred years ago and is actually accepted a perfectly legal term.

mmck said,
The term piracy predates copyright laws and was first used for talking about theft/duplication etc. a few hundred years ago and is actually accepted a perfectly legal term.


Yep, but my question is.. Why pirates? Just for more drama =P

If I was MS, I would keep on blacklisting all the keys that were pirated. Eventually, after enough uproar from the masses of legit users, the piracy would start to dwindle. MS cannot do much about the pirates, but if end users are losing out because of it, something would eventually be done. No only that, if legit end users were losing their licenses to pirates, eventually the lone "Chinese" thief would be punished for what he did somehow or someway. Everything MS has tried has not worked; therefore, they should just leave it to the end user.

However, causing anger among the legit users could actually lead to more piracy. Why should I pay for something just to get deactivated and hasseled?

The pirates won't care. The legit users will be mad at Microsoft for causing them unnecessary trouble that could have been avoided by.. not blacklisting the key.

what about the ppl that never used a key to install, but use one of the installation cracks? Will those be blacklisted as well?

srwal said,
what about the ppl that never used a key to install, but use one of the installation cracks? Will those be blacklisted as well?

The key-less install uses a generic key. It is the same all around and never activates. I have the impression they will eventually blacklist it.

red77stars said,
People with pirated copies of Windows don't even care about Windows update.

Really? I think lots of people running pirated copies know very little about other sources.

Kirkburn said,
Really? I think lots of people running pirated copies know very little about other sources.

Some people don't even know they have a pirate copy until someone tells them. I get people all the time like that.

I don't think so.
Ppl downloading pirated Windows know what they're doing and look for a file that pass Windows Update.

Once an OEM key is rolled out to a huge amount of customers, that will be much harder to disable it and neuter the OS of a lot of customers at the same time. Try to justify killing the generic OEM key of legitimate users and therefore shutting down their OS because of a handful of hackers..

m-p{3} said,
Once an OEM key is rolled out to a huge amount of customers, that will be much harder to disable it and neuter the OS of a lot of customers at the same time. Try to justify killing the generic OEM key of legitimate users and therefore shutting down their OS because of a handful of hackers..

They can blacklist it at the activation level but those that are already activated can be validated as legit. Technically OEM-SLP keys shouldn't activate anyways. They use that digital certificate and the bios vendor strings to identify that machine belongs to the same manufacturer as where that OEM-SLP key came from. If they match then it installs and self-activates (none needed). If they don't then it requests activation which gets denied when you try. Microsoft will refer you to the system manufacturer at that point as well. On that token I was under the impression that even the keys on the OEM COA stickers were supposed to be blacklisted on the ones on Dell machines install and activate fine.

m-p{3} said,
Once an OEM key is rolled out to a huge amount of customers, that will be much harder to disable it and neuter the OS of a lot of customers at the same time. Try to justify killing the generic OEM key of legitimate users and therefore shutting down their OS because of a handful of hackers..

Shutting down their OS? Way to be dramatic mate. At worst they'll be denied updates and have a "this copy of windows is not genuine" message flashed at them with instructions on how to fix it. Microsoft and the OEM would by that time have a procedure in place to provide a replacement key to those persons.

You do? I never looked too much into it but anything off of MS's download website does a WGA check now. And then if it's some app, even those, like IE, do a WGA check. OFC, you can just crack the WGA system itself, that and activation are two different systems basically.

GP007 said,
You do? I never looked too much into it but anything off of MS's download website does a WGA check now. And then if it's some app, even those, like IE, do a WGA check. OFC, you can just crack the WGA system itself, that and activation are two different systems basically.

You should be able to get critical updates via Automatic Updates regardless of WGA/Activation status.

Don't really see the point in dealing with all the possible malware, virus, adware prone activation cracks when you could have bought a windows 7 for 49 dollars. Is it really worth it???!! I think NOT!!

How about buying the full edition for like 500 dollars. I find it fun trying to get around things like this (not that I do >_>)

daddy_spank said,
Don't really see the point in dealing with all the possible malware, virus, adware prone activation cracks when you could have bought a windows 7 for 49 dollars. Is it really worth it???!! I think NOT!!

Very unlikely your gonna get malware from an iso, if you manage it your an idiot and your using bad sources for finding your torrents.

Conjor said,
How about buying the full edition for like 500 dollars. I find it fun trying to get around things like this (not that I do >_>)

It's not $500 is it. Obvious exaggeration doesn't help convince people of your point.

thealexweb said,
Very unlikely your gonna get malware from an iso, if you manage it your an idiot and your using bad sources for finding your torrents.

Did he say "iso"? No.

Wasn't the whole reason for cracking Vista was that is was too expensive? Windows 7 was made super cheap for a while and people are still determined to steal. Nice.

SirEvan said,
people do stuff because they can...not because they have to or can't afford it.

No, people do stuff like this because they don't want to spend money on it.

I thought this was Neowin,not a "Warez" message board. After looking at some of the comments here, I'm no longer sure.

Do they give out points or prizes if you can run bodged hacks by "script kiddies" and post announcements here?

To the people posting flames to MS, what is the problem? They blacklist a stolen/leaked key and your pirated installation of Windows 7 may no longer work in the near future, what grounds can you possibly have to whine/complain from?

If your frustrated about MS's actions to combat software piracy, then work out your own methods of circumventing it (Or you can purchase it).

Also, just throwing that key into windows activation has never worked lol so when people try it now and say its not a valid key, it has always said that.

If I understand it correctly the OEM key and current crack methods are offline activations.....all Blacklisting the key will do is not allow you to download updates or WGA software. The reason just throwing the key into Windows doesnt work is because your BIOS probably doesnt contain the proper OEM information, if it did, then adding the key would activate windows.

mwpeck said,
If I understand it correctly the OEM key and current crack methods are offline activations.....all Blacklisting the key will do is not allow you to download updates or WGA software. The reason just throwing the key into Windows doesnt work is because your BIOS probably doesnt contain the proper OEM information, if it did, then adding the key would activate windows.



Right, and while you can activate it fine offline etc, when it comes time to download something other than a "critical" security update off of WU, you'll get blocked. This also counts for future service packs. So in the end, one way or another (unless you don't wanna install updates at all), you'll have to get a new key somehow.

Um...the whole point of the lenovo master key and slp 2.1 is that your copy will enver go online to see if the key is validated. it's all done through the bios. So blacklisting the key is pretty much fail, and i'm sure microsoft knows that lol

Maybe so, but it will stop you being able to install anything other than critical security updates, along with any downloads containing Genuine Advantage validation. Future Genuine Advantage plugins for Windows will also nerf your copy of Windows.

So yeah, it's not an entirely ineffective move on the part of Microsoft.

No it shouldnt do any of that stuff. Using an oem key + the slp 2.1 table in the bios is not like using a fake generated windows key. They do not check for a valid key. And im not 100% sure on this but windows looks at the bios, sees the hex combo 20 00 01 02 (not sure if thats exactly it) and if the key matches that table, windows says your activated. So no windows update can disable your machine. Nor can wga do anything. The use of slp keys has been going on since windows xp and microsoft hasnt be able to do a thinng about it.

windows update checks keys, why wouldn't it be able to see you are using the leaked key and block you from WU even with the bios activation crack?

In the end your copy still stays activated but you can't d/l anything outside of critical security patches from windows update.

And when SP1 hits any leaked keys will be blocked for sure, so you can't install the SPs if you use a leaked key even if your copy is activated fine. It's two different things. WU can do it's checks, it doesn't check just the bios to get the ok, it checks the key itself that you put in.

TCLN Ryster said,
Maybe so, but it will stop you being able to install anything other than critical security updates, along with any downloads containing Genuine Advantage validation. Future Genuine Advantage plugins for Windows will also nerf your copy of Windows.

So yeah, it's not an entirely ineffective move on the part of Microsoft.

There are specific WGA cracks, only for WGA, out there.....

It cannot be blocked (piracy).

Unless microsoft drops slp and finds another means for oem activation, this stuff is going to continue to happen. Especially when consumers get their computer from an oem company in the up comming months. How will they black list a key that is being used by tons of customers?

People don't like intrusive things like WGA. THat's why many chose to bypass it in XP.

And like I said, I admit, I tried out the crack on an old machine and it still works/passes Win Update. And yes, I HAVE preordered it from Amazon and feel fully justified to try it out first.

It's not going to continue to happen once Windows 7 is released because of the nature of how it works. It fools WGA into thinking you have an OEM copy and once Windows 7 is released there is no stopping people from extracting the OEM master key from legitimate OEM copies and fooling WGA with a BIOS emulator/patch.

Trying to blacklist those keys once Windows 7 is available to the general public would wreak havoc and cause legitimate users using OEM copies with the same key to be blacklisted.

Though I agree, it's best to go authentic. Either through Technet/MSDN or paying for a copy. Windows 7 is by far the best OS MS has made so far and it'd be a shame if it doesn't sell well.

Conjor said,
All of the hacks up to this point (that ive seen) use the exact same key, so no, a BIOS hack will not work.

do you even understand how this works? the key is the least important bit of this. The crack works in exactly the same way as geniune OEM activation. OEM keys will leak in the very near future as OEM's start building the new machines for sale. As soon as these keys are in the wild they can be taken and applied. Once a single pc has been shipped to a customer by that OEM, they won't be blacklisting anything. This process uses exactly the same exploit as the vista version, as OEM activation is still using SLIC 2.1 bios tables.

just wait for Aug 6 when the testers get a copy. I guarantee some kind of crack will be worked out of those machines and distributed.

Any tester willing to leak their key would be incredibly stupid. Unlike buying it in the shops where it's completely anonymous, each key released to testers is tied to that tester and Microsoft would know exactly who leaked that particular key.

He didn't even do anything amazing the first time around. he just copied a method that worked for cracking Vista, changed some hex data, and re-released it (in a very sloppy form I might add).

sexypeperodri said,
Now we wait for what Hazar is cooking.

Names like that I believe are not allowed on this site.


(Just saying in case you get in trouble )

powerade01 said,
Names like that I believe are not allowed on this site.


(Just saying in case you get in trouble )

I'm pretty sure just as long as you don't post the link or specific directions it's OK to talk about names/sites.

powerade01 said,
Names like that I believe are not allowed on this site.


(Just saying in case you get in trouble )

riiigh... but it's ok to talk about gary glitter?

Chrono951 said,
Microsoft stopping people from stealing their software? That makes you mad?

I think he means the piracy makes him mad. Easy, no need to jump down throats here.

I really wished W7 would be donateware ¬_¬
oh come on, today it's pretty common to have more than one pc (laptop and home pc at least), but to pay about 200$ more than once, seriously? for Russia it's just too expensive even for one license because of different value of $

Patchou said,
really? how much a PC costs in Russia then?

little bit more than in US, but that's not the case. in Moscow average salary is about 1000-1500$ and in many cases people spend almost half of it for rent, not to mention other routine costs.

х.iso said,
little bit more than in US, but that's not the case. in Moscow average salary is about 1000-1500$ and in many cases people spend almost half of it for rent, not to mention other routine costs.


Sounds like it's time to move then.

They're right, here in argentina a good medium salary is 2000-2200 AR$, that are like 600 US$. How can you spend 500US$ in a OS? You can pay two rents with that!

do you need win7 to live?

it's a want not a need, so frankly, suck it up, if its too expensive, save up, im not sympathetic, as win os's are probably not as, but still very expensive where i am....i find it hilarious that you compare upgrading you os to living costs...WOW really.
ps: win7 is going to be about $450( from site previews) here and im a student, so go figure...its going to be a while before i can save up and get it.

edit: if its a popular product they can charge what ever the **** they want to, if people want it, they will buy it, otherwise there is piracy

deuz said,
do you need win7 to live?

it's a want not a need, so frankly, suck it up, if its too expensive, save up, im not sympathetic, as win os's are probably not as, but still very expensive where i am....i find it hilarious that you compare upgrading you os to living costs...WOW really.
ps: win7 is going to be about $450( from site previews) here and im a student, so go figure...its going to be a while before i can save up and get it.

edit: if its a popular product they can charge what ever the **** they want to, if people want it, they will buy it, otherwise there is piracy ;)

no, it's not a "want", it's more like "that's what I needed all these years". you know, difference between XP and 7 really reflects on productivity, if you can make proper use of new features, not to mention performance.

and I didn't said that I don't want to pay for it, I said that I don't want to pay too much, especially for multiple licenses. meanwhile I'm fine with free RC

х.iso said,

no, it's not a "want", it's more like "that's what I needed all these years". you know, difference between XP and 7 really reflects on productivity, if you can make proper use of new features, not to mention performance.

and I didn't said that I don't want to pay for it, I said that I don't want to pay too much, especially for multiple licenses. meanwhile I'm fine with free RC


That's right, i don't need it to live, but is needed. In places like here, we don't have a anti piracy organization, you can have al pirate software and no one will tell you anything. I have gone to enterprises that have "pirate" software,
It's the reality in some countries of the world, and you can't do anything, that's why the linux use it's growing up here.. But most of the people don't know that there's something more than Windows or Mac, i think that the 80% of the poblation here has never gone to buy a Windows License.
I wanted to pay for it, but no now, now i'm fine with the RC. In march 2010 i'll see, because it's cheaper to buy a PC with windows OEM than buy one alone.

Really, we should say fortunately. In countries like USA, UK, Germany, France, etc. They want people to buy Windows. But in ones like Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, etc. They prefer them to use a ilegitim copy of Windows 7 than have another "client" using Linux or BSD.

EzeAris said,
But in ones like Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, etc. They prefer them to use a ilegitim copy of Windows 7 than have another "client" using Linux or BSD.

in what country do you live? Here in venezuela just people that knows about computers (10%of ppl) will use windows 7 for now, the most will use XP and his machine with 512 gb ram also nobody uses Linux and wtf is BSD?

I'm from argentina. And when i said Windows 7 i tried to say "any Windows". BSD it's another kind of Operative System, the most secure.. Mac OS X it's based on a BSD Kernel.

surrealvortex said,
The cracker should have waited till the launch if he wanted it to remain unfixed.

Maybe he has loads of others, and is saving the rest for that reason. More likely he just doesn't care that much, or wanted to mess with Lenovo.

GreyWolfSC said,
That's what I was thinking. Unfortunately that would inconvenience their customers, not Lenovo.

Dell currently places OEM COA stickers on their machines that contain fully valid keys although it appears that their XP/Vista reinstall media does use a bulk install key of its own. I know because I used both of the ones on my dell and several others to install and activate OEM XP and Vista.

As I wrote in the previous story, I kind of figured this would happen. "Won't be fixed unless they want to annoy thousands of customers", as the developer of the activator himself reassuringly said? Not really, since Windows 7 is not in official circulation yet.

But once the next leaked key is released after Windows 7 is officially released, this strategy won't work anymore, and it will go in the way of Windows Vista with no new blacklists, unless they somehow change their antipiracy strategy. Windows 7 may "include an improved ability to detect hacks", but it's clear that doesn't cover this method with boot-time BIOS emulation. Or else Microsoft wouldn't have to manually blacklist the entire OEM key itself. (which is a mess once tens of thousands of users get their legit new Windows 7 systems)

They'll just blacklist newer leakes when it comes time to install SP's Like they did with XP.

No SP1 if you have a leaked Key and you have to get a new one through the OEM you bought your PC from if it's legit. Simple enough imo. Or lese just use win7 with the tag and locked wallpaper or w/e. If those don't bother you enough.

Jugalator said,
As I wrote in the previous story, I kind of figured this would happen. "Won't be fixed unless they want to annoy thousands of customers", as the developer of the activator himself reassuringly said? Not really, since Windows 7 is not in official circulation yet.

But once the next leaked key is released after Windows 7 is officially released, this strategy won't work anymore, and it will go in the way of Windows Vista with no new blacklists, unless they somehow change their antipiracy strategy. Windows 7 may "include an improved ability to detect hacks", but it's clear that doesn't cover this method with boot-time BIOS emulation. Or else Microsoft wouldn't have to manually blacklist the entire OEM key itself. (which is a mess once tens of thousands of users get their legit new Windows 7 systems)

There is no boot time bios emulation. They are directly modifying specific strings in the BIOS (actual hardware) to place the mark of a Lenovo system. When the OS checks the certificate and key and the bios strings and sees that they are all present then it goes ahead and self-activates with the OEM-SLP key. If those bios strings are missing then it may install but will require activation anyways.

GP007 said,
They'll just blacklist newer leakes when it comes time to install SP's Like they did with XP.

No SP1 if you have a leaked Key and you have to get a new one through the OEM you bought your PC from if it's legit. Simple enough imo. Or lese just use win7 with the tag and locked wallpaper or w/e. If those don't bother you enough.

Yeah simple enough. Companies just wont be able to add new machines with W7, how could this ever be a problem. Just adds another step, and having to deal with another company is always an annoying step, to the install process. What a load of rubbish, this stuff is so crazy. I can understand why so many companies are looking at Linux these days.

Windows 7 is due to ship on October 22 this year and it's 110% certain that after this date more OEM keys will start leaking.

Fixed.

Erm no, not fixed. When you're talking about statistical probability, which this article is, you cant go above 100% or 1.0.

First off, I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with roadwarrior in this post.

Secondly, it's called exaggeration Ryster. The "110% sure" phrase is incredibly common(snipped)

Kirkburn said,
Let's just stay on topic, shall we?

but in theroy 11-% can exist .. in percents there is suck thing such as


OXY clean now with 221% bigger bottle


sonic free route 44 upgrase has 120% more

(snipped)

AUSSIE_FLOYD_FAN said,
but in theroy 11-% can exist .. in percents there is suck thing such as


OXY clean now with 221% bigger bottle


sonic free route 44 upgrase has 120% more


Indeed in some circumstances percentages above 100% are possible, but not when talking about chance and probability. To say something is 100% certain means it absolutely will happen and there is no chance of it not happening. You can't go higher than that.

For the record, I'm not normally this anal about things like this. I just get tired of all the over exaggeration and shoutyness of people these days.

ermax said,
My god people. Get a life. Why are we arguing over something so stupid?


Why did you feel the need to join in?

roadwarrior said,
Windows 7 is due to ship on October 22 this year and it's 110% certain that after this date more OEM keys will start leaking.

Fixed.

Agree, it's inevitable. Only that time, there will already be lots of machines that have been shipped with that key, and there won't be an easy way out for MS.