Microsoft CEO Takes On Apple's iPhone

Surprise, surprise. Steve Ballmer isn't exactly a huge fan of Apple's forthcoming iPhone. In an interview with InformationWeek today, the Microsoft CEO bemoaned the phone's $499 price tag, lack of a keyboard and the hype factor that comes solely because of its brand, while noting that many other vendors are doing similar things for less. "I don't think this would be a very interesting announcement if anybody else had announced exactly the same product," Ballmer says. "If you didn't put the Apple name in that equation, I'm not sure how people would assess it."

Ballmer points out that the iPhone " or whatever it will ultimately be called, dependent on the outcome of Apple's battle with Cisco over the iPhone trademark " will start at five times as much as some phones on the market today that have similar features and functionality. "Today, you can buy phones for $100 that do e-mail, browsing, video, Office productivity " those are the Windows Mobile phones," he says. "There's a lot of innovation coming out of companies like Motorola, Samsung, HTC - a good partner of ours in China - [and] Palm at low price, high volume, good quality." Ballmer also specifically pointed to the iPhone's lack of a keyboard as a potential drawback for heavy e-mailers. "If you want to send e-mail, touchscreens are okay," he says. "We have touchscreen-based devices, but I think keyboards are generally preferred for people who do much typing."

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I have a feeling in a few months MS is gonna create their own phone hoping to try and run vista on it. I'm wondering who are they gonna partner up with to make one. I mean toshiba already made the zune for them. A lot of stuff from Samsung is in the iphone. Maybe they'll team up with motorola or somthing.

They say MS has been the jocker, now its the Apple's turn. Ballmer is right yet ppl only go for the damn thing only because its Apple and its sexy. Ever think what the benefits are?

You know, I think that's the problem with M$ and their ****ty products ,they can't ****ing tell the difference between a $100 dollar cellphone, and Apple's iPhone.

All I can say is "Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!"

He is missing the point with the iPhone. It's not revolutionary because of photos, calling, video and music functions. It's revolutionary because of the interface. The iPod wasn't revolutionary because it was just another mp3 player. It was revolutionary because the physical and software interface was clear and easier to use than the competitions.

Also, multi-touch IS NOT just a touchscreen. Trust me, I have to use a touch screen device at work all the time and it is a ROYAL pain in the butt. Seriously, it really does slow down my workflow. If it were multi-touch it wouldn't work against me. At least if it works as previewed.

Personally I think the price is a little high but so was my PowerBook when I bought it and that was the best computer purchase I've made. Old Chinese proverb, "Buy expensive, cry once."

The iPhone announcement was never that interesting. As Microsoft stated, there are phones out there that offer what Apple is trying to offer for much less money and oh yes they are compatible with the 97% of computers out there that are not Mac.

I wouldn't be worried, either.

In my opinion it doesnt really matter if any of the iPhones features are already out there.. As someone else already said, its HOW Apple does it not what they do. In alot of things the iPhone just does them better. As I said in a earlier comment. You get what you pay for. You may get most of the features from a iPhone in a $150 model from a different company BUT the quality of those cheaper features will be crap. I think when you pay such a high price for anything that apple makes you are not only buying the technology but your also buying quality. And in my opinion quality is as valuable as the tech itself..

C_Guy said,
ompatible with the 97% of computers out there that are not Mac.

Wow, that was an ignorant comment. C_guy=n00b. Less than 5% of all computers sold today are Windows PCs.

Alright guys, let's play nice. People are entitled to their opinion and chances are it probably won't be in line with yours, especially when we are talking about Apple, video game systems, etc. You'll find very few people who aren't 100% on one side or the other.

DeeJay2 said,

Wow, that was an ignorant comment. C_guy=n00b. Less than 5% of all computers sold today are Windows PCs.

Speaking of ignorance DeeJay2 ... ok, but lets look at existing user base? Oh right, 97%

I am still laughing at the fact that you called someone a n00b and yet you're actually trying to be taken seriously, that's just funny.

He should try using a windows phone, i have tried three in all shapes and sizes and they are the worst phone i have ever used, they are slow, crash constantly and the UI leaves a lot to be desired.

I am currently using a Sony P910i, and have used P9xx series for a while as this is the best phone out of the bunch. I have been trialing the nokia E61 and it is a very good phone. However both the sony and the nokia phone lack cohesion, the ui and the applications (in the p9xx series case) all seemed to have been written by different people in different parts of the world, hardley any of them want to work togeather, and they are still prone to crashing etc.

However both these phones can do everything the iPhone has promised to do, the p910i even uses a touch screen.

So why do i think that the iPhone is 5 years advanced of these phones! it because i know that apple will deliver a polished product with seamless intergration with the hardware and software, between the OS and the apps and between app to app. I know that the phone's camera will work flawlessly with the photo software which in turn will sync with my computer without any hassles. This is why the iPhone is more advanced, it is not what it does, it how it does it. After switching to a mac in i think was 2005 (not a complete switch i still use windows etc..) every apple product i have brought since then has worked really well and has been seamless, without any headaches. Most of these products i have brought (such as an iPod) are not really doing anything new, however what all of apples products do, do, they do well.

I will be purchasing an iPhone when they arrive in europe, i have faith that the iPhone will deliver an outstanding experience.

REM2000 said,
This is why the iPhone is more advanced, it is not what it does, it how it does it.

You said it! What most of the WinFanBoys on here have failed to grasp...

Neomac v6 said,
You said it! What most of the WinFanBoys on here have failed to grasp...

I can understand that the iPhone will be a cool device - but to me it doesn't justify the price tag, and frankly the decision not to support (unapproved) 3rd party apps (if that turns out to stick) is awful... The inability to text in my pocket will be bad too

OMG, Being loyal is one thing, being honest is quite another. Ballmer did just what would be expected! But is one needs take it up a notch. The truth is that MS knows that trouble is brewing on the horizon. Windows market share is falling, Linux and the Mac's share is rising. Ballmer knows it. Why else would MS make a twisted deal with Novell concerning openSuse? Speaking of being honest, look at Vista-----really look,,,does it look familiar? I, like most, know people with smart phones also. 9 out of 10 would rather have the Palm OS or a Blackberry instead of a Windows operated one. And of those, are looking forward to the iphone.

Blackberry users aren't looking forward to the iPhone. Why? Because it won't be compatible with the Blackberry Push email, hence, the iPhone will be useless to them.

Gee, for $599 I can choose between an overpriced PS3 or an overpriced cell phone. No, no and hell no!

So they have taken the basic concept of a phone and merged it with a Nano, slapped an Apple logo on it and suddenly every one is all WOW about it. Why?

Honestly, how valuable is your pocket space if you can't fit an iPod and a phone in it and really need to merge the two devices? I'm happy with my phone as is, and I like my iPod being completely separate. Especially how it locks up some times when watching movies... so that's all I need is for it to lock up on me in the middle of a call and I have to do some weird Vulcan nerve pinch type finger move to reset the damn thing.

Alright I've had the Cingular 8125 since last Spring and honestly, my phone does everything the iPhone does and then some, minus a 4gb or 8gb hard drive. It can check my gmail, hotmail, and corporate email all within Pocket Outlook, iPhone can't do corporate email. I have a bluetooth gps reciever and use iGuidance for GPS, iPhone doesnt have any GPS software yet. I have a nintendo, sega genesis, and super nintendo emulator and can play old school games on it, iPhone can't. I have a 2gb mini sd card and have 1 gig of music on it and use media player to listen to it, that's plenty for a train ride to work. I have IE and Opera installed for internet and have a choice of several other browsers. I have a nice program installed called NoviiRemote and use my IR port to control my TV, cable box, stereo, xbox, and ps2. iPhone can't do that. I have rudeo control that controls my media center pc from anywhere in my house using wifi, iPhone can't do that. The 8125 has a slide out keyboard the automatically turns the screen when it slides out, iPhone doesnt have a keyboard and Im not dazzled by the iPhone changing direction automatically. And if I don't want to use the slide outkeyboard, I have a touchscreen keyboard and with a small prgram I installed I can adjust the size and everything on it. The 8125 has a 1.2mp camera, the iPhone has a 2mp. But seriously, who uses the camera on a cell phone for actual pictures? I have a digital camera for that. Another thing, goto handango.com and see how many other available programs there are for my phone. iPhone doesn't have anywhere near that many and won't for years. And last but not least, my phone may be thicker, but it's not as wide and not as long in my pocket which is nice. Instead of the iPhone, I'll be looking to upgrade to the cingular 8525.

Hmmm, Cingular 8525 is $549 list, $449 with contract. Not a real sizable price difference.

Compared to the iPhone, the 8525:

- 30 percent heavier (6.21 vs 4.8 ounces)
- twice as thick (.86 inches thick versus .46 inches)
- has half the screen resolution (320x240 vs 480x320)
- almost an inch smaller screen
- 1/62 internal memory (64MB versus 4GB)
- no wifi
- no ipod
- has same talk time battery life


Of course, the iPhone has a real OS, a full web browser, a rich Mail program, sophisticated sensors, the best Google Maps implementation ever and new touchscreen technology that no one will be able to match for at least a year or two (maybe more -- it's patented). If you haven't seen the demonstration videos, you can't say your current phone's features are comparable, even if they sound similar.

And for you to say, "Who needs all those megapixels, that's what a digital camera is for," is just stupid. The iPhone can replace an iPod, a cellphone, an internet communicator, and a digital camera -- and in one device. At $499 it's a bargain since you won't need those other things with you all the time.

Ballmer isn't jealous; he's scared ****less.


heroinsmoker said,
- no wifi

Cingular 8525 does have Wifi it supports 802.11b, 802.11g modes. Cingular 8525 (HTC Hermes) supports UMTS and HSDPA whereas iPod Phone supports the old GPRS. Of course Hermes also supports true push email. What is the point of having HTML email when you can't receive it when it arrives in your mailbox?

We shall see whether iPhone has a real OS or cut down version of Leopard. In either case the fact that its locked means there will never be killer applications for it like Tomtom Navigator, Skype, Slingbox or advanced PIM's like Pocket Informant/Agenda Fusion.

heroinsmoker said,
Ballmer isn't jealous; he's scared ****less.

You couldn't be more wrong. Why would Ballmer be scared when their OS is targeted at completely different market to iPod Phone? Microsoft has never tried to market Windows Mobile for average consumers. Every paper, ad and conference I have read shows they target Windows Mobile for Enterprise users.

Nice thing is that on touchscreen the keyboard can be resized and adjusted to fit your needs, all depends on software and only your immagination is the imit...
do that on normal hardware keys

Im not an apple fanboy either im actually a very staunch MS fanboy. BUT, I dont see many MS phones that have multitouch touchscreens and FULL OS installations as well as visual voicemail. On any phone as a matter of fact. And is there any smartphone out there with a full browser on it. That gives you the real webpage and not this WAP crap, that you can zoom in on very easily to see anything on that webpage that you might want to read and zoom back out just as easily? And tell me if im wrong but is there a phone that has HTML mail? How about how easy it is to scroll by using a flick of your finger? I dont see a widescreen smartphone with the resolution the "iPhone" has.. Similar features my *ss.. Another phone wishes they did things as well as the "iPhone" does. As for the price you get what you pay for. If you pay $150 you get $150 worth of features..

Ballmer is just doing what any executive of a competing company would do, release a statement against the competition and for his own company's product.

Out of curiosity, why is there such a fuss about the multi-touch touchscreen? I know the phone is cool and all but, well, what does a multi-touch touchscreen give more then a keypad (or keyboard) other a boost in the coolness factor? I agree with you on the scrolling method tho.

g0wg said,
Out of curiosity, why is there such a fuss about the multi-touch touchscreen? I know the phone is cool and all but, well, what does a multi-touch touchscreen give more then a keypad (or keyboard) other a boost in the coolness factor? I agree with you on the scrolling method tho.

Multitouch gives you the ability to have two fingers on the screen at the same time.. Making the touchscreen keyboard more of a real feel to it and makes it more convenient..

statm1 said,
And is there any smartphone out there with a full browser on it. That gives you the real webpage and not this WAP crap, that you can zoom in on very easily to see anything on that webpage that you might want to read and zoom back out just as easily? And tell me if im wrong but is there a phone that has HTML mail?

There's several mobile browsers - Opera Mobile is rather nice for example (I run it on my device) as well as Minimo, Netfront etc.. Nothing new there i'm afraid - and I have _choice_ to (not as tho MS locks people out of developing for their mobile platform!). HTML email - again plenty of clients available (for some time) too..

As for touchscreens (i've had 4 touchscreen phones) - why do you think all the other manu's are producing touchscreen phones with hard keys, keypads and/or keyboards? They're much, much easier to use as (quite simply) their tactile.

statm1 said,
Im not an apple fanboy either im actually a very staunch MS fanboy. BUT, I dont see many MS phones that have multitouch touchscreens and FULL OS installations as well as visual voicemail. On any phone as a matter of fact. And is there any smartphone out there with a full browser on it. That gives you the real webpage and not this WAP crap, that you can zoom in on very easily to see anything on that webpage that you might want to read and zoom back out just as easily? And tell me if im wrong but is there a phone that has HTML mail? How about how easy it is to scroll by using a flick of your finger? I dont see a widescreen smartphone with the resolution the "iPhone" has.. Similar features my *ss.. Another phone wishes they did things as well as the "iPhone" does. As for the price you get what you pay for. If you pay $150 you get $150 worth of features..

Ballmer is just doing what any executive of a competing company would do, release a statement against the competition and for his own company's product.

- as said above, opera and internet explorer mobile can do the same, opera is the best mobile browser at the moment.
- outlook on windows mobile can sure read html mails, and can sync with exchange servers. The same goes for blackberry
- multi-touch, meh, overhyped, give me a stylus instead of my fat smudgy finger any day, but if you really want, you can move the scrollbar with a flick of your finger on my htc too
- oh, windows mobile or pocket pc or windows ce whatever device you're using is a full blown os too ;), better yet, it allows third party applications. what good is an "advanced" (like it really is OS X) OS when you're not able to use it

XerXis said,
- as said above, opera and internet explorer mobile can do the same, opera is the best mobile browser at the moment.
- outlook on windows mobile can sure read html mails, and can sync with exchange servers. The same goes for blackberry
- multi-touch, meh, overhyped, give me a stylus instead of my fat smudgy finger any day, but if you really want, you can move the scrollbar with a flick of your finger on my htc too

I looked around on google for pictures of the Opera Mobile browser and I didnt find one that showed the actual website.. All I saw was a WAP version of the all the websites. Has anyone that are commenting here actually seen how the Newyork Times website looks on the iPhone?

As for the touchscreen keyboard.. Some people might not have fat fingers or just not have the patience either way. Im sure it will turn into a preference thing. And Im sure if you were going to type a long email wouldnt it be easier to do it on a real PC? I dont thing any phone was made to type out huge emails anyway. So some might like it some might not, to each their own..

statm1 said,

Ok so Opera Mobile isnt a WAP browser. BUT, it still changes what the original website looks like.

That is a setting, it can render the entire page. But most of the time that would slow you down on a gprs or umts connection. And it makes it harder to get the relevant information.

touchscreen keyboard is the pathetic idea!! have you ever used any touch screen before? if you did, you will know how pain in the *ss it is. stylus is the next best thing to mouse and sometines, its better than mouse and iPhone has handwriting recognition?? no! windows mobile has it.

you can type efficiently using a a keyboad or a stylus rather than using your fingers on a touch screen.

Surprise, surprise.

I only scanned the article after I saw that at the beginning. It would be totally different if Jobs was badmouthing MS

He's probably right about it being such a big deal simply because it's from Apple but is that really a bad thing? Consumers aren't stupid; at the end of the day, if something doesn't impress them or if they find it too difficult to use, they'll move on. It may attract attention because it's an Apple product but attention doesn't necessarily equal sales.

But Ballmer is wrong about the iPhone being nothing special. This thing looks amazing. I have several friends with different smartphones and not one of them comes close to being as incredible as the iPhone (based on Jobs' keynote). I don't think that getting used to an on-screen keyboard will be a walk in the park, but neither was using a mouse for the first time back in the 80's - we will learn to adapt. I can't speak from experience but personally I think the iPhone's keyboard - because of it's larger buttons - looks easier to use than the average smartphone's miniture keyboard.

I have to say (and its not often I do) that old Ballmer is pretty much right here. Firstly, it is too damn expensive. Secondly, aside from the new touch screen, there aint that much new on there.

To be fair Apple aren't saying that they're doing something totally different to whats already out there.. they're reinventing it and repackaging it and there is no doubting that they appear to have done a wonderful job of it. But that same sort of functionality has been in MS Smartphones for some time - i've owned a smartphone (Orange SPV C500) and I thought it was a wonderful piece of kit. The only problem was that, in true MS fashion, it did hang a fair bit! Battery out job to get it working again!

Will just have to watch and see how it all plays out when its available. Maybe i'm just jelous because i'll never be able to afford an iPhone

The only problem was that, in true MS fashion, it did hang a fair bit! Battery out job to get it working again!

Hopefully that won't be an issue with the iphone as you can't take the battery out!

oufc_gav said,

Hopefully that won't be an issue with the iphone as you can't take the battery out!

well, you cant estimate that the iPhone wont stuck just because it doesnot have a battery facility. most of the windows mobile 2002 and some 2003 based PDA's whose bateries cannot be taken out hang. its just the reset button which works in this case and i hate using the reset. (resets are soft and hard the kind of reset im talking here does not clear your data off the device (soft))

Ehh. World has changed. I actually agree with a lot of what Mr. Ballmer says. Especially about the touchscreen idea - looks gorgeous, makes certain, almost-magical things possible, but I'm afraid will fail as an ergonomic way to input textual data. Fingers are often too bold, and having to touch 'buttons' (instead of pressing them) requires me to look at the screen the whole time I'm writing something. Do you belive that a computer keyboard build as a touchsreen would be more ergonomic then the standard, button one? Well I don't. The fact that I feel when I press certain button and that I feel where one button ends and second begins allows me to write not even looking at the screen, not to mention keyboard itself.

Neomac v6 said,
The fact they have fat wallets would suggest they're something other than zombies!

they could have rich parents... like paris hilton. while not a zombie, the girl does seem to demonstratet zombie intellect! :P

Why does he say the iPhone doesn't have a keyboard. Last time I checked it did.

He also states that if it didn't have Apple in the name, no one would give a ****. But surely, thats the kind of brand recognition Microsoft would like.

If Apple were making cars, they would be Ferrari. Lotus, Aston Martin. If Microsoft were to make cars, errm, Ford, Skoda? LOL.

If Apple made cars, they'd be like the MR2 and such cars, they look like sports cars, but they sound drive and feel like just any regular car, but when somethign breaks, you can't fix it yoruself, and you have to take it in to a expensive brand workshop to fix it.

HawkMan said,
If Apple made cars, they'd be like the MR2 and such cars, they look like sports cars, but they sound drive and feel like just any regular car, but when somethign breaks, you can't fix it yoruself, and you have to take it in to a expensive brand workshop to fix it.

MR2? i see them more like Smart or Scions.

Actually Aston Martin, Volvo, Jaguar and Land Rover are all part of the FORD family brand. So your comparsion is crap. But you would now that if you took the time to do a bit of research...

jbehrne said,
Actually Aston Martin, Volvo, Jaguar and Land Rover are all part of the FORD family brand. So your comparsion is crap. But you would now that if you took the time to do a bit of research...


Or he more spot on than he'd like to believe. considering Vista has several SKU's caterign to different markets/buyers

Well to be honest i dont see whats so good about it, im sure it was said you carnt install your own software on it... thats what i like about my nokia phone... i can install what ever i like on it. Same for windows mobile phones.
Also what about DRM, it only plays itunes stuff right?

I dont see anything wrong with this phone but what exactly does this phone do that other phones dont do that makes it so great?

How unsurprising that he puts his own company's products above the competition. This IS coming from the man who said he would ****ing kill Google...

osirisX said,
How unsurprising that he puts his own company's products above the competition. This IS coming from the man who said he would ****ing kill Google...

that is how the business works and moreover.., after the invention of ipod, if apple states that they are launching another ipod based product then any one will say that it can be a killer app but after the revelation of the product, the hefty price tag and not so innovative ideas built into it, the craze is buried 6 feet under the ground.

They are just stupid comments. I like the iPhone, and NOT because it is from Apple. Maybe if MS thought of the idea first, people would have been gorping over their Phone. And most new mobile phones come out at a high price. The iPhone at $499/$599, (about £250/£305?... Thats if it comes out at the same price here...) is cheaper than a lot of other phones that are brand new. I'm sure that the price will come down, like all products do. The only problem that I have with the phone is that it isn't 3G. So if I were to buy one of these, I would be waiting till a 3G version comes out at least.

A lack of keyboard? Wait a second... What about the touch screen? And how would anyone know that the keyboards on these phones that are out now will be better than the touch screen keyboard?

It just sounds like jeaously to me...

Wow thats arrogant of you to be honest. £250/£305? I think more like £370/£430 to been exact if you can work out conversions and tax properly. He is right in every single way, Because it has a Apple name on it people will buy it no matter what the price which has already been said, you can get a phone will similar features which costs 1/3 of the iPhone. The iPhone doesnt have any innovation at all but if people see this like their iPod products they will snap it up real quick. Whats the deal with the iPods anyway, they are just so crap!

It's a smartphone, MS DID think of it first.

only MS didn't gimp theirs and say you could only install stuff accepted by them (so they can charge a premium from content developers, and make sur eyou can't install anythign that competes with their own software, like other MP3 players or such)

PiracyX said,
Wow thats arrogant of you to be honest. £250/£305? I think more like £370/£430 to been exact if you can work out conversions and tax properly. He is right in every single way, Because it has a Apple name on it people will buy it no matter what the price which has already been said, you can get a phone will similar features which costs 1/3 of the iPhone. The iPhone doesnt have any innovation at all but if people see this like their iPod products they will snap it up real quick. Whats the deal with the iPods anyway, they are just so crap!

Arrogant? I'm trying not to be biased here... Also, what about LG's new phone with touch screen? That's pretty damn cool too. Steve Ballmer is just.... moronic and biased.

davegoodson said,
Arrogant? I'm trying not to be biased here... Also, what about LG's new phone with touch screen? That's pretty damn cool too. Steve Ballmer is just.... moronic and biased.

Yeah and look at all the hype that phone got.

HawkMan said,
It's a smartphone, MS DID think of it first.

only MS didn't gimp theirs and say you could only install stuff accepted by them (so they can charge a premium from content developers, and make sur eyou can't install anythign that competes with their own software, like other MP3 players or such)

Get your facts righ, MS did not think of it first, IBM demonstrated it in 1992 and released it 1993 Smartphone history

bobbba said,

Get your facts righ, MS did not think of it first, IBM demonstrated it in 1992 and released it 1993 Smartphone history

not a smart phone on the same level as windows mobile or even the iPhone.

It was released to the public in 1993 and sold by BellSouth. Besides a mobile phone, it also contained a calendar, address book, world clock, calculator, note pad, e-mail, and games
Well that's a descripton of ALL modern day cell phones pretty much.

a smartphone with Widnows mobile is capable of so much more, as would the iPhone have been, with a little less nerfing

And while I don't consider wikipedia a good or especially reliable source for... anythimg you did bring it up so I'll just quote this as well.

However, it is debatable at this stage whether the iPhone can be described as a smartphone, as it will not allow the installation of third-party applications.

davegoodson said,
...A lack of keyboard? Wait a second... What about the touch screen? And how would anyone know that the keyboards on these phones that are out now will be better than the touch screen keyboard?...

wait wait have you ever owned touch screen based phone? I thought not. I own Palm Treo 750v which has touch screen based keyboard and physical keyboard. I always prefer physical keyboard as it is much easier to type with due to tactile feedback and shape of the keys whereas touch screen based keyboard are plain.

I doubt MS is jealous over the iphone. I reckon Apple were more concerned over the Zune than MS was of the iphone. Most people I've talked to say that iphone isn't really that innovative and a touch screen phone isn't necessary at all and is more of dressing up the phone adding to the hype.

You think they are jealous, of a product they have no competing product of their own, or at this time plans to make one.

and the Windows mobile OS that they do sell to partners, is in no way thtreathened y the iPhone as it has been demonstrated now.

Jealousy about what? He's just trying to get his foot in here to say that Windows Mobile phones already offer a lot of these features for a much lower price.

I'll avoid commenting on the touch screen though as I haven't used a phone with that myself yet. While I can definitely see the problems with a lack of physical keys, I can also see the advantages.

he does have a point, and i personally agree with him. people will say he's jealous simply because he's Steve Ballmer and he's with Microsoft.

i talked to one of my friends about the iPhone and no sooner had the words left my mouth, he whipped out his Palm and said demonstrated everything the iPhone is touting as revolutionary. the only thing it had trouble with was finger tip usage. he doesn't use the stylus though, just his finger nail.

and so did my other friend with his P910... but he's a fanboy and during what i assumed was keynote-time he called me to say he's buying an iPhone as soon as it's out, hoping someone can unlock it past the Cingular madness.

me? still contented with my Nokia 7270.

ikyouCrow said,
hoping someone can unlock it past the Cingular madness.

Since I blieve the reason they're stuck with cingular is that they use a different phone network system(same as in europe) he would need to physically replace the actual phone stuff in the phone. so ... I do't think that's happenign anytime soon.

ikyouCrow said,
hoping someone can unlock it past the Cingular madness.

Yea the particular network would have to support does things in particular the visual voicemail I think Jobs said that was a special thing that Cingular had to develop along with them..

gunnerhkjp said,
He has a point, but it still stinks of jealousy.

yea rite!!

he has a very valid point but windows mobile based devices are much much better than iPhone's so called "features"

the only thing i found innovative is the multiple touch sensitivity. everything else is just crap! the address book is not that innovative. loads of phones already have that kind of display.

the other point iPhone showed is detecting phonenumbers and contact details from the email or the SMS which existed even in some of mono colour phones which i have used some time back.

Opera for windows mobile is 1000 times better than safari. wo says opera is not a fully functional browser for mobile devices?

the price tag is just for the sake of the "apple" tag. i completely agree. who wants the censors which detects landscape and portrait modes? play a video in windows media player in small screen mode.., it shows in portrait mode. double click (tap).. widescreen mode. the screensize is not even the standard size for iPhone.

i was eagerly waiting for the iPhone before apple announcing it and the first rumour evolved in the industry but apple has badly disappointed me.

the worst part that i cannot install other applications from third party developers. WTH??? there are loads and loads of applications for windows mobile and loads for free!! the yahoo! stocks widget? the google maps widgets? they are all available for download for windows mobile.

Im happy with my gmail and hotmail account. also my personal site email is hosted by google so i dont really need the imap from yahoo! and i dont care if yahoo! offers it free for iPhone users.

wait... how could i forget the keyboard? Steve discussed this very looong time! windows mobile has the touch screen keyboard i dont really understand how that was innovative from Apple. When Steve compared the so called iPhone with the smart phone, how did he forget the O2 and Xda's? I still prefer to have just a saperate nano i have a very good PDA phone based on windows mobile.

coolkat007 said,
wait... how could i forget the keyboard? Steve discussed this very looong time! windows mobile has the touch screen keyboard i dont really understand how that was innovative from Apple. When Steve compared the so called iPhone with the smart phone, how did he forget the O2 and Xda's? I still prefer to have just a saperate nano i have a very good PDA phone based on windows mobile.

i figure the presentation was geared towards regular phone users as opposed to actual pda/smartphone users. otherwise they would have included more devices for comparison.

like comparing a civic to a 323 instead of a stock skyline or something.

ikyouCrow said,
i figure the presentation was geared towards regular phone users as opposed to actual pda/smartphone users. otherwise they would have included more devices for comparison.

like comparing a civic to a 323 instead of a stock skyline or something.

If the iphone is geared towards the regular phone users, the price tag would have been much lower. atleast by couple of hundreds. Which regular users use the mobile phone for E-mail?

coolkat007 said,

If the iphone is geared towards the regular phone users, the price tag would have been much lower. atleast by couple of hundreds. Which regular users use the mobile phone for E-mail?

i was refering to the feature set when i talked about regular users. with the e-mail thing, people who usually wouldn't do it now will because they've been exposed to it. as for the price tag, that's just making the customer pay for your r&d (ps3 imho).